00:01:17 <boogieman67> I'm looking for good fiat-to-crypto gateways, and the hawalla community seemed like a good potential high-integrity source of doing those kinds of deals
00:01:48 <boogieman67> they are a form of lawful money mule network in much of the world
00:05:07 <apotheon> Yeah, I'm familiar with it in concept.
00:05:18 <apotheon> I wonder if they use cryptocurrencies to grease their wheels sometimes.
03:15:16 <DeanGuss> p2p connections in monero are still unencrypted raw tcp p2p protocol, correct?
03:16:09 <Torr> It uses an embedded I2p module.
03:16:22 <Torr> What was its name... Tinyi2p?
03:16:24 <Torr> Covery?
03:17:12 <DeanGuss> kovry?  I thought that never got finsihed by whats-his-face
03:17:36 <DeanGuss> and clearnet / tor connections definitely don't go out over i2p...
03:18:57 <DeanGuss> I'm just trying to confirm, there's no NOISE or TLS encryption on p2p, right?
03:21:40 <Torr> Yeah, maybe that was the name.
03:22:04 <Torr> Not enabled by default.
03:22:09 <Torr> Wait
03:27:56 <Torr> It's just a regular socks proxy, eh.
03:32:02 <Torr> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-project/monero/master/src/p2p/net_node.cpp
03:32:11 <Torr> Line 86.
03:44:02 <Torr> See ya
11:51:19 <atomfried[m]> is there a room for haveno? is haveno even developed anymore?
11:51:22 <atomfried[m]>  * is there a room for haveno? is haveno even developed anymore?
11:51:22 <atomfried[m]> are there any news?
11:52:07 <plowsof11> #haveno:haveno.network #haveno-dev:haveno.network 
11:52:55 <atomfried[m]> yeah i cannot join them somehow ..
11:53:38 <plowsof11>  "aiming to be production ready by end of march or april depending how things go" using the legacy UI - development on the 'newer front end' the community funded will resume after that
11:54:10 <atomfried[m]> nice, thank you
13:25:03 <dANBs[m]> trustno1[xmpp]: > dANBs:
13:25:03 <dANBs[m]> > *boogieman67[m]:* I'm looking for good fiat-to-crypto gateways, and the hawalla community seemed like a good potential high-integrity source of doing those kinds of deals
13:25:03 <dANBs[m]> I bought XMR with fiat on LocalMonero. When you know who to trade with, I guess the best is LM.
13:30:58 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: http://lm.i2p
13:31:12 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: For better anonymity)
13:33:54 <dANBs[m]> trustno1[xmpp]: Or you can use a multi-hop VPN and Tor launched in a VM to use LM without JS. That's a solution too.
13:59:42 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Without JS he can used without vpn or tor
13:59:59 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Bottom on the site
14:09:05 <tom-1> Hello .Please tell me why there is no trocador.app service in https://kycnot.me/ ? By what principle do applications or services get there?
14:09:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> @pluja hasnt added it
14:09:50 <plowsof11> trocador is an aggregator of everything you see before you 
14:09:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://kycnot.me/about#xnotl
14:10:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please use your glasses 
14:11:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> The answer to your question was surprisingly, unbelievably, inconceivably, on the very website 
14:11:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im shocked, to ve honest. Usually I just come ask a bunch of random people on the internet about services that are not the same topic as the rooms where I ask
14:15:42 <tom-1> ofrnxmr: I'm sorry, I'm wrong! Service is!
14:19:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> No problem. Thanks for clarifying
14:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://kycnot.me/service/trocador
19:54:17 <boogieman67> <apotheon> I would think that with the milleniums-old tradition that is hawala, they wouldn't really need crypto
19:54:45 <boogieman67> they might still dabble in it casually though since it can be used to help balance the books between hawalanders over time
20:29:51 <apotheon> boogieman67: Balancing books is exactly why I mentioned it.
21:59:18 <boogieman67> I'm hoping people can trade my VPSs as a "shell" around trading monero, USD/EUR/GBP <-> VPS <-> XMR
21:59:50 <boogieman67> since the intermediary component is much less Money-Services-Business-like