04:25:46 <opsoyo[m]> For anyone: How much of a concern is it for the XMR seller to know where your cash-by-mail originates?
04:35:50 <Randolf> opsoyo[m]: That depends on how much accountability the seller wants.
04:44:25 <opsoyo[m]> <Randolf> "opsoyo: That depends on how much..." <- More so a question on the buyer side as to whether the general origin matters in opsec. I understand sellers have different standards for such a transaction. 
04:48:45 <Randolf> opsoyo[m]: That makes sense.
05:01:46 <opsoyo[m]> The alternative being a remailer or remote mail drop that would (ideally) repackage accordingly. 
05:02:34 <opsoyo[m]> At least with certain online package slips within the country, these do not always contain an origin on the label
05:02:38 <opsoyo[m]> The tracking would
05:02:46 <opsoyo[m]> So remailing is simplier 
05:39:36 <GenericNick> is there a channel for selling stuff for monero
05:41:12 <GenericNick> I'm selling some riseup and c#ck.li invites on https://suchwow.sellix.io
06:58:22 <XMRPriest[m]> Has anyone here followed Seth’s guides to build a node ?
06:59:04 <XMRPriest[m]> I’m having troubles with one of the scripts with the Exec line to start monerod
07:02:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> which part?
07:40:49 <XMRPriest[m]> The last part when I type in Sudo systemctl start monerod when I’m trying to call monerod as a service
07:41:22 <XMRPriest[m]> Sorry for the late answer, I had a friend trying to troubleshoot with me but because of the hardening prior, doesn’t give a straight forward answer
07:43:27 <XMRPriest[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "which part?" <- Basically the end 
07:47:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> whats it say in "systemctl status monerod" ?
07:48:40 <XMRPriest[m]> I’ll go check
07:49:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> if its not running, make sure the chown is the monero
07:49:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> like  user=monero group=monero
07:49:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/chown/owner/
07:49:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr>  * if its not running, make sure the owner is the monero user
07:51:21 <XMRPriest[m]> Yea I set user and group to monero
07:52:04 <XMRPriest[m]> Check your dm, just sent a pic to the code promted
10:39:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> XMR Priest: click request session keys
10:41:41 <XMRPriest[m]> I am 
10:41:41 <XMRPriest[m]> it tells me I am waiting for your response
12:27:19 <zozzy9[m]> Hello everyone, I have an exchanger connected to a Monero server. 2 days ago, I saw that 133 Moneros were blocked in my account for a period of 4 years. How is this possible?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fa1dfbace1d77946dfb71e2013cb97fa36f846c8>)
12:31:19 <sech1> zozzy9[m] read: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/za1w0r/the_full_locked_transfer_story/
12:31:30 <sech1> someone sent you XMR locked for 1,000,000 blocks
12:31:39 <sech1> You need to check for this on your side
12:31:49 <sech1> before you proceed with the exchange
12:32:18 <zozzy9[m]> I mean, i have exchanger. Its Exchanger's wallet
12:33:45 <sech1> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#get_transfer_by_txid - you must check unlock_time before proceeding
12:34:21 <sech1> There's nothing you can do with these 133 XMR now. You'll have to wait 4 years.
12:35:10 <zozzy9[m]> But as i tell before, i see same also in server's wallet cli too
12:35:17 <zozzy9[m]> This is blockchain problem
12:35:49 <sech1> It's not a problem, it's a feature
12:35:55 <sech1> which you didn't know about and got pwned
12:36:03 <sech1> read the reddit post
12:36:54 <plowsof11> luckily it was only 4 years
12:37:09 <sech1> yeah
12:37:39 <sech1> they set it to 1,000,000 blocks because it's the max value CLI wallet allows
12:37:53 <sech1> they could easily recompile it and set unlock time to the heat death of the universe
12:38:42 <sech1> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2%5E64+seconds+in+years
12:38:44 <zozzy9[m]> they set it to 1,000,000 blocks because it's the max value CLI wallet allows
12:38:54 <zozzy9[m]> You mean someone send transaction with point to 1kk?
12:39:07 <sech1> yes
12:39:49 <zozzy9[m]> How they do it, why its allowed?
12:39:56 <sech1> locked_transfer command in CLI wallet
12:40:03 <sech1> it's allowed because it's a feature
12:40:48 <zozzy9[m]> So, how i can unlock this funds?
12:40:56 <sech1> you wait 4 years
12:41:12 <sech1> and thank god you don't have to wait 584.9 billion years (see the link above)
12:41:13 <zozzy9[m]> Stop
12:41:18 <zozzy9[m]> locked_transfer will send money from you
12:41:24 <zozzy9[m]> But its mine wallet
12:41:51 <sech1> yes, someone sent these money to you and set the lock time
12:42:05 <sech1> and they used locked_transfer
12:42:16 <zozzy9[m]> You mean someone trought cli do locked_transfer to my wallet and lock all my funds?
12:42:37 <zozzy9[m]> How i can protect this?
12:42:50 <zozzy9[m]> And how i can find this transaction
12:42:55 <sech1> where did you get these funds from?
12:43:13 <sech1> no, no one can lock the funds you already hvae
12:43:27 <sech1> when you receive funds, they have unlock_time
12:43:33 <sech1> which is usually 10 blocks, but it can be more
12:43:51 <zozzy9[m]> Yes, but no one send me this i think
12:43:56 <plowsof11> "i run an exchanger" means you run a public service /  crypto swap site?
12:44:12 <zozzy9[m]> infinity.taxi
12:44:16 <zozzy9[m]> Crypto swap website
12:44:37 <sech1> and the wallet with locked funds is the one used to receive XMR on the website?
12:47:23 <zozzy9[m]> Yes
12:47:56 <zozzy9[m]> Receive and send
12:49:55 <zozzy9[m]> Its literally looks like bug inside Monero blockchain. Because only im manage this wallet, no one do locked_transfer FROM this wallet. Also i know, that another exchanger have same problem right now
12:53:26 <plowsof11> you received locked monero 
12:53:28 <plowsof11> from competitorA / mean person - (but not so mean because it was only 4 years)
12:53:28 <zozzy9[m]> How i can find this transaction, and how i can prevent this do?
12:53:29 <plowsof11> the advice has been given already , please read
12:53:44 <plowsof11> sorry for your loss, in 4 years, everything will be ok
12:54:09 <zozzy9[m]> when you receive funds, they have unlock_time
12:54:09 <zozzy9[m]> which is usually 10 blocks, but it can be more. Ok, i see
12:54:26 <merope> zozzy9[m]: You change your software so that you don't send the other crypto before the xmr received is unlocked
12:54:59 <zozzy9[m]> Yes, right now we sending funds after 1 confirmation
12:55:09 <zozzy9[m]> Without unlock_time verifying
12:55:31 <merope> 1 confirmation is fine, but you do need to check the unlock_time
12:55:41 <zozzy9[m]> Yes, FUCK!
12:55:53 <zozzy9[m]> -23k$
12:55:57 <merope> ⚰
12:56:41 <merope> Hey, who knows - Maybe 4 years from now Monero will be worth 10k$
12:56:53 <zozzy9[m]> maybe...
12:56:55 <merope> Just make sure you don't lose that seed ;)
12:57:04 <zozzy9[m]> Sorry for repeat this question. how i can find this transactions?
12:57:25 <zozzy9[m]> Some website blockchain explorer with this option?
12:57:31 <merope> Look at the received transactions in the wallet
12:57:47 <merope> You should be able to see the lock time and the txid
12:58:07 <zozzy9[m]> Im dont see txid near lock time
12:58:15 <zozzy9[m]> Or i just dont undestand something
12:58:34 <plowsof11> get_transfers in = true , unlock_time is in there
12:58:54 <merope> In the "transactions" tab on the left
12:58:54 <zozzy9[m]> Trought API, ok
12:58:56 <plowsof11> with wallet rpc*
12:59:24 <zozzy9[m]> With wallet rpc sure
12:59:31 <zozzy9[m]> Because in Wallet GUI i dont see that
13:01:02 <merope> merope: ^
13:01:31 <merope> Click on a transaction to expand the details, and you'll see the transaction id
13:01:48 <zozzy9[m]> Yes, i see transaction id
13:02:24 <zozzy9[m]> But no lock_time there
13:03:06 <plowsof11> i have not checked the gui for locked transactions before 
13:06:03 <zozzy9[m]> Ok, thx all for this answer
13:06:07 <zozzy9[m]> So stupid misstake...
13:38:18 <zozzy9[m]> Last question guys, i have some way for unlock this early?
13:38:29 <zozzy9[m]> Or anyway i should wait 4 years?
13:56:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Um.. if I was you.. set your exchange to short changr any funds that are send like that
13:56:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe your attacker will try again and end up giving you some of your money back 
13:57:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Um.. if I was you.. set your exchange to short change any funds that are sent with a nonstandard lock time.
13:57:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally, id just said "transfer failed" and auto delete the recoedn
13:58:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> And.. I hope youre not currently still accepting locked tx
14:09:34 <zozzy9[m]> Okey, again thx for all
14:10:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> And yeah, looks like you will have to wait. 
14:10:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> But 100% the best course of action is to detect whether the funds are being sent with a non standard lock time, and to not complete the transfer of that happens 
14:11:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> The feature is ok for p2p, say you give you kid money for their sweet 16, or your saving  money for college 
14:11:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> But in practice, its only mostly my malicious actors trying to punish their competition  
15:20:21 <zozzy9[m]> I have 1 more question about monero-python lib (https://monero-python.readthedocs.io/en/latest/)
15:20:21 <zozzy9[m]> AttributeError: 'IncomingPayment' object has no attribute 'unlock_time'
15:20:21 <zozzy9[m]> AttributeError: 'Transaction' object has no attribute 'unlock_time'
15:21:31 <zozzy9[m]> That so funny, that this lib doesnt have docs about unlocked_time attr for Incoming transactions and lock_transfer method
15:44:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-community-dev:monero.social 
15:45:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Repost that message there please and thanks 
15:45:58 <zozzy9[m]> Thx
20:15:56 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Ping
20:16:32 <plowsof11> pong
20:32:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 0 echo responses