01:41:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Testi
02:05:25 <as2333> send 1 xmr to complete test
02:38:51 <cockliuser[m]> I want to buy some more wow but don't want to convert my xmr to btc
02:38:59 <cockliuser[m]> this world sucks
03:06:12 <dimmed6843[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "Hugbunter posted an update" <- He's been saying the site will be up soon for weeks.
03:06:12 <dimmed6843[m]> https://www.teddit.net/u/hugbunt3r
03:06:33 <cockliuser[m]> He actually gave an ETA
03:06:51 <cockliuser[m]> He said it would be up in the older replies
03:06:57 <cockliuser[m]> He didn't say when
03:07:18 <cockliuser[m]> Now we are mostly sure it'll be up within the week
03:08:35 <dimmed6843[m]> cockliuser[m]: Maybe he's waiting for the drug addicts to go into withdrawal comas so there's less traffic on the site 😂😂
03:10:30 <plowsof11> i am addicted to caffeine https://libera.chat/policies/
03:14:03 <cockliuser[m]> I feel like the fact that swedish law doesn't allow discrimination is a bad thing
03:14:22 <cockliuser[m]> Because discrimination is very subjective
03:15:36 <cockliuser[m]> Acting in contempt based on race/religion etc etc is obviously discrimination
03:16:16 <cockliuser[m]> But you can group lots of other disputes that aren't discrimination under discrimination
03:16:34 <cockliuser[m]> Perhaps creating the concept of a "thought crime"
03:34:21 <opsoyo[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "I feel like the fact that..." <- I'll support this philosophy with an extension. The government shouldn't be telling citizens what they can and can't say. It should be up to the citizens to collectively resist behavior and embrace desired culture. 
03:34:40 <opsoyo[m]> The government is supposed to reflect the people not the other way around imo
04:01:52 <zulmunotro[m]> why do bitcoin mixers exist? isn't converting to xmr a better way to "clean" bitcoin? 
04:01:52 <zulmunotro[m]> i was under the assumption that btc converted to xmr and then converted back to btc would have no link to the original bitcoin. so why do people go through mixers instead of just converting to monero? 
04:05:15 <opsoyo[m]> > <@zulmunotro:matrix.org> why do bitcoin mixers exist? isn't converting to xmr a better way to "clean" bitcoin? 
04:05:15 <opsoyo[m]> > i was under the assumption that btc converted to xmr and then converted back to btc would have no link to the original bitcoin. so why do people go through mixers instead of just converting to monero? 
04:05:15 <opsoyo[m]> Scams and existed in mainstream before XMR started to take over.
04:20:33 <great_taste> is btc/xmr atomic swap a thing?
04:21:19 <cockliuser[m]> Yes
04:24:02 <cockliuser[m]> COMIT's implementation is in rust though which might be a deterrent
04:25:14 <cockliuser[m]> Farcaster is also rust
05:00:54 <RavFX[m]> Any idea for good shopping proxy (that work with ebay)?
05:01:41 <RavFX[m]> I never used that kind of thing but I need something I only found there so far (and the ebay gift card are no go if not in USA)
05:18:47 <cockliuser[m]> Contact the seller and ask for crypto payment?
05:20:29 <RavFX[m]> cockliuser[m]: Could try to do that actually
05:28:40 <cockliuser[m]> Does anyone here want cock.li invites or know someone that wants them?
05:41:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> maybe privacy.com?
05:41:51 <cockliuser[m]> Needs a bank account
05:42:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> pickup and pay in cash?
05:42:36 <cockliuser[m]> You could buy a prepaid from https://allark.io
05:42:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> and then wipe there memory
05:49:45 <RavFX[m]> Found some SRAM chip compatible with the chip I have on aliexpress (I think), after looking at many images and datasheets... If they don't work then I will have to recheck the ebay thing.
05:49:45 <RavFX[m]> With prepaid, could work.
05:51:24 <RavFX[m]> Would be nice if ebay add that cash option like aliexpress... Can only dream lol
05:51:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> havnt seen pigs fly yet
05:53:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> there is paypal global on there which ebay accepts paypal. dunno how it works cause paypal wonts to know everything
05:54:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> need a proxy ebay account
05:54:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * ebay account service
05:58:28 <cockliuser[m]> If the market wants it, someone will sell it
06:01:14 <opsoyo[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "need a proxy ebay account" <- Should be a service on localmonero or one of those other Monero marketplaces
06:01:48 <opsoyo[m]> Until then, I bet someone on here would be willing. You're gonna have to trust someone with your mail drop address though.
06:23:06 <cockliuser[m]> Is this bridged to irc
06:55:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> yeah
06:55:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> irc.libera.chat/#monero
06:56:26 <cockliuser[m]> are emojis transmitted raw or not transmitted at all
06:57:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> that i am not sure. i dont use irc
06:58:45 <cockliuser[m]> Libera natively support matrix bridging?
06:58:53 <cockliuser[m]> s/support/supports/
06:58:56 <cockliuser[m]> cool
07:00:21 <cockliuser[m]> hmm 🤔
07:00:37 <cockliuser[m]> Holy fuck
07:00:46 <cockliuser[m]> Emojis are transmitted raw
07:19:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i know xmpp is here to, dunno whats the room is tho
09:53:58 <hyc> emoji are just unicode characters, not treated any differently from any other text
09:55:12 <cockliuser[m]> Yeah but IRC used to be ascii-only
09:55:50 <cockliuser[m]> And many people connect from terminals that can't render most utf characters
09:56:08 <hyc> then they'll see the individual UTF8 bytes
09:56:59 <cockliuser[m]> Yeah, which is not optimal
10:12:53 <plowsof11> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
10:45:24 <monerobull[m]1> <cockliuser[m]> "And many people connect from..." <- I watched a kubernetes tutorial yesterday and the terminal had emojis. Looked awful 😖
11:10:18 <cockliuser[m]> There's lots of three way arbitrage opportunities on TO
11:10:42 <cockliuser[m]> Esp XMR to USDT to BTC to XMR
11:11:07 <monerobull[m]1> Do you use a bot for that?
11:11:22 <monerobull[m]1> And why wouldn't TO run one itself 
11:12:03 <cockliuser[m]> I don't do it myself, just that the opportunities are there 
11:12:08 <sech1> cockliuser[m] fees, slippage and other bots make it hardly possible
11:12:51 <cockliuser[m]> I've checked that even with fees you can make a small profit, even manually
11:13:02 <monerobull[m]1> cockliuser[m]: I thought the same for thorchain when they still had UST. 1k UST would have given you 1015$ of BUSD synths
11:13:27 <monerobull[m]1> When i tried to make the swap, my UST got stuck onchain 
11:13:57 <cockliuser[m]> TO is not onchain though
11:14:09 <monerobull[m]1> And i had to beg support on discord to do something bcs they initially didn't think there was a problem 
11:14:30 <cockliuser[m]> Damn that sucks 
11:15:04 <monerobull[m]1> I got the UST back, exchanged it for BTC, sent to ogre and swapped for monero :P
11:15:22 <monerobull[m]1> 3 weeks before Luna collapsed
11:17:53 <cockliuser[m]> I wonder what specs a machine running a trading bot would need to be the fastest bot
11:18:31 <cockliuser[m]> Bandwidth is obviously the first spec but how much would be fast enough
11:19:22 <monerobull[m]1> First and foremost, low latency 
11:19:52 <monerobull[m]1> If you can figure out where the exchange is physically hosted
11:20:25 <monerobull[m]1> You could pay the Datacenter to put your box onto the same switch :P
11:21:04 <cockliuser[m]> That would be fast to the power of 10 lol
11:26:48 <monerobull[m]1> Also why its weird to wouldn't just host a bot on the same machine
11:27:24 <monerobull[m]1> They don't even have to pay fees 
14:03:11 <pandakie[m]> Hey I am kinda new to the crypto world and was wondering if it makes sense to buy monero from Binance (low fees) and then use a trusted swap like sideshift to get whatever token you might need. This should be private, has low fees and you get whatever token you want right?
14:09:31 <cockliuser[m]> The privacy aspect only works if Binance and Side shift aren't collaborating (I think)
14:09:41 <cockliuser[m]> s/Side/Sideshift/, s/shift//
14:14:34 <RavFX[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "The privacy aspect only works if..." <- Exact, if you do not churn between, they might know it's you (if they are indeed collaborating). Note that the more output in the TX (with many coin from binance being sent to Sideshift), that more it add confidence too.
14:14:35 <RavFX[m]> Just to be sure, wait a day after getting it from binance than send it to yourself
14:26:24 <pandakie[m]> Hm i guess I have to think about it some more. I think it is just a big pain that you buy tokens from a dex at a way higher price than what they currently really are :/
14:28:19 <cockliuser[m]> Token as in ethereum stuff? 
14:29:03 <merope> If you're using an exchange to buy stuff, you might as well buy Monero directly from Kraken anyway
14:29:25 <merope> Also, Monero is not an ETH token
14:29:38 <pandakie[m]> I mean something like bisq and local monero
14:41:03 <cockliuser[m]> Yeah just use kraken
15:13:59 <cockliuser[m]> Some bids and some asks on TO make you want to reach through the screen and slap the shit out of the trader
15:14:09 <cockliuser[m]> Imagine if you could actually do that
17:54:14 <pashanim[m]> what is the vpn u guys recommend the most?
17:56:19 <cockliuser[m]> None
17:56:31 <cockliuser[m]> Don't use VPNs unless you're hosting it yourself 
17:57:00 <cockliuser[m]> It's basically a proxy with a huge markup
17:57:05 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: why
17:57:22 <Snipa> Depends on what you want the vpn for tbh.
17:57:25 <cockliuser[m]> cockliuser[m]: .
17:57:29 <Snipa> Most people just want it for the proxy, not the security. :P
17:57:31 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: The vpn provider can monitor your data
17:57:42 <plowsof11> i want to play quake using another ip and have low ping 
17:57:43 <cockliuser[m]> Snipa: Then buy a proxy
17:57:48 <Snipa> Well yes, I'm aware.
17:57:58 <pashanim[m]> i use perfect-privacy.com they use ramdisk 
17:57:58 <Snipa> However, a proxy is harder to use than a nice integrated VPN tunnel.
17:58:23 <Snipa> i just use a node on my tailscale network if I need to bounce things out of the house.
17:58:28 <cockliuser[m]> Snipa: Socks5 proxies are the easiest things to use 
17:58:39 <Snipa> For some applications, yes.
17:58:41 <Snipa> For others, no.
17:58:54 <Snipa> If your app doesn't suppot it natively, you need to wrap it and do a bunch of other stupidity.
17:59:08 <Snipa> But if you're doing it in a browser, I do agree.
17:59:31 <cockliuser[m]> I'd be willing to bet that the user wanting to buy a VPN doesn't want for the applications that can't use proxies 
17:59:40 <cockliuser[m]> * doesn't want it for the
17:59:45 <Snipa> Probally, but I also don't exepct them to know how to set it up as well.
17:59:50 <pashanim[m]> what do u think abt ramdisk vpn?
18:00:11 <cockliuser[m]> What do you want a vpn for
18:00:26 <pashanim[m]> privacy
18:00:33 <cockliuser[m]> Don't use a vpn then
18:00:48 <Snipa> Get a VPS somewhere, bought w/ monero, throw up your own wireguard exit node.
18:00:48 <cockliuser[m]> Not a VPN service atleast 
18:00:58 <cockliuser[m]> ^^
18:01:03 <xmrfn[m]> "all depends on your threat model". I run OpenVPN on a VPS that also serves some other proxies for family & friends (Invidious, etc). A government can clearly see what's up, but my ISP/coporate masters don't
18:01:07 <pashanim[m]> alr
18:01:17 <Snipa> I cheese it and use tailscale because I don't want to manage the keys, but I accept that risk factor.
18:02:13 <pashanim[m]> but do you know kinox? it was a german illegal movie streaming service that was searched by interpol & bka. They used a vpn that uses ramdisk and doesnt log ips, they never got caught.
18:02:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> With a vpn your just moving your trust from isp to them. Its better but them you need to trust the vpn
18:02:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/them/then/
18:02:42 <as2333> vpns can offer some plausible deniability
18:03:06 <xmrfn[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: That's why I run my own OpenVPN 
18:03:09 <pashanim[m]> Snipa: what vps provider would u recommend ?
18:03:27 <monerobull[m]1> I use mullvad just to not be the lowest hanging fruit in case the totally legit streaming websites get taken down by the feds
18:03:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I use ivpn
18:03:52 <cockliuser[m]> monerobull[m]1: Proxies will work for you
18:03:55 <pashanim[m]> i use perfect-privacy
18:04:18 <cockliuser[m]> Unironically, stop paying mullvad so much money
18:04:26 <monerobull[m]1> 5€ for mullvad vs what, 15€ for Netflix (which has a shit selection and sometimes even lower quality than the free streaming sites)
18:04:34 <cockliuser[m]> Proxies are like 20x cheaper
18:04:40 <xmrfn[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): Never heard of ivpn. What makes it better?
18:04:43 <monerobull[m]1> monerobull[m]1: And mullvad takes Monero 
18:04:48 <Snipa> I don't suggest any. I worked for PIA many, many years ago, but don't recommend them as I don't work for them any more.
18:05:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Using a vps is the same thing. Need to trust there not logging traffic and they wont gice your data over
18:05:16 <cockliuser[m]> I know proxy services that accept monero
18:05:17 <as2333> Snipa so you know how they forward data to the govt? 
18:05:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/gice/give/
18:05:20 <pashanim[m]> does anyone know perfect-privacy.com?
18:05:33 <Snipa> as2333, When I was there?  No.
18:05:36 <Snipa> Once I left, no idea.
18:05:48 <Snipa> This was almost a decade ago now tho.
18:05:59 <as2333> Snipa k
18:06:25 <cockliuser[m]> I found this by googling, seems to explain it well
18:06:25 <xmrfn[m]> OIC, ivpn is a company. No, I mean, I self-host OpenVPN on a cloud VM/VPS
18:06:25 <DanIsnotthemanBr> xmrfn[m]: No log audits and security audits and also hq in Gibraltar  
18:06:25 <cockliuser[m]> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29
18:06:30 <cockliuser[m]> cockliuser[m]: Take a read
18:07:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Tbh mullvad or ivpn for vpns services
18:07:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> They accept xmr
18:07:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Direct
18:07:40 <pashanim[m]> i know many ppl that were searched by the bka (german gov) many years bc of blackmailing politicans and frauding they used vpn and never got caught
18:07:54 <cockliuser[m]> Smspool accepts xmr too I believe 
18:07:55 <cockliuser[m]> They have proxies
18:08:17 <cockliuser[m]> Rotating, residential ones
18:08:17 <pashanim[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: do they use ramdisk servers?
18:08:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Mullvad
18:08:25 <xmrfn[m]> I prefer to self-host. You still have to worry about the VPS provider, but as they are not specifically a VPN provider I suspect they aren't going to be logging to that degree.
18:08:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> True
18:08:57 <cockliuser[m]> VPN people out in full force today :)
18:09:08 <cockliuser[m]> Your usecase doesn't need a VPN my man
18:09:24 <cockliuser[m]> Except if you selfhost
18:09:31 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: it does
18:09:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> But ivpn always get audited 
18:09:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.ivpn.net/blog/ivpn-infrastructure-fifth-audit-announcement/
18:09:44 <xmrfn[m]> https://github.com/OpenVPN 
18:09:50 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: Your vpn provider is an overpriced honeypot
18:10:01 <cockliuser[m]> They can and will log stuff
18:10:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Proxychains ftw
18:11:06 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: haha bro, its there since so many years, so many cases and noone got caught
18:11:06 <pashanim[m]> highly illegal stuff done on that vpn 
18:11:07 <pashanim[m]> noone caught
18:11:08 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: No one does illegal stuff on vpn :)
18:11:09 <pashanim[m]> how?
18:11:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> What are you trying to do? With the vpn
18:11:09 <cockliuser[m]> Unless ofc you're self hosting 
18:11:30 <pashanim[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: what do u think?
18:11:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Dunno
18:12:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Google search
18:12:25 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: Unless the criminal is mentally disabled, he will use TOR not a VPN :)
18:12:27 <xmrfn[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Obfuscate all my normal internet activity from my ISP and their corporate & gov't asociates
18:12:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Not you
18:13:01 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: i know a like 30+ ppl only using vpn (perfect-privacy.com and opvn.com) for over 10years doing illegal things, noone caught
18:13:02 <xmrfn[m]> o sorry I forget sometimes it's not about me :P
18:13:11 <as2333> cockliuser[m] so tor isnt a honeypot eh
18:13:12 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: Sure you do :)
18:13:21 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: bro
18:13:23 <cockliuser[m]> Much less than VPNs
18:13:31 <cockliuser[m]> s/VPNs/VPN services/
18:13:40 <pashanim[m]> pashanim[m]: do u know kinox?
18:14:00 <cockliuser[m]> as2333: Last message was replying 
18:14:03 <cockliuser[m]> * Last message was replying to this 
18:14:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fyi this is public chat so throwing around doing illegal things isnt probably the best
18:14:52 <pashanim[m]> idc
18:14:57 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: This https://torrentfreak.com/kinox-to-operator-sentenced-to-40-months-in-prison-151217/?
18:15:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Pwnd
18:15:11 <cockliuser[m]> This? https://torrentfreak.com/kinox-to-operator-sentenced-to-40-months-in-prison-151217/
18:16:04 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: "However, despite the massive police response the two main operators are still on the run today while the site remains online."
18:16:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sounds like piratebay until he got caught and that aote was seized.
18:16:48 <as2333> "verified no logging VPN service provider" PIA
18:16:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/aote/size/
18:17:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/aote/site/
18:17:08 <cockliuser[m]> haha
18:17:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Owned by nord i think?
18:17:31 <as2333> anyway indeed vpns are hardly trustworthy, but the whole arpanet is a privacy disaster anyway - incluind of coure the pentagon's toy tor.
18:17:38 <pashanim[m]> yall should do research on pp and ovpn
18:17:43 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: do you really think they're using VPNs? 
18:17:53 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: yes, they used ovpn 100%
18:18:13 <cockliuser[m]> Yes they definitely met with you in person and told you that :)
18:18:54 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: i mean there are cases lol
18:19:02 <cockliuser[m]> None
18:19:04 <pashanim[m]> and ovpn couldnt give any information
18:19:13 <pashanim[m]> because of ramdisk servers
18:19:27 <cockliuser[m]> That's what they tell you :)
18:20:27 <cockliuser[m]> And even if it was a ramdisk, there wouldn't be anything preventing them from just imaging the ramdisk periodically
18:20:31 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: why are there so many cases where they couldnt give any information else than email than?
18:21:22 <pashanim[m]> im still not bust after about 11years
18:21:26 <cockliuser[m]> Are these "cases" in the room with us right now? 
18:21:54 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: XD
18:22:07 <pashanim[m]> what?
18:22:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Knock knock
18:22:23 <cockliuser[m]> Who's there
18:22:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fbi
18:22:34 <cockliuser[m]> FBI who
18:22:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fbi ima arrest you
18:22:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You vpn terrorist
18:23:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> :)
18:24:09 <pashanim[m]> and mullvad is shit... i know a guy (he was 15) he got bust like 1 week after doing some of the trolling. he always had killswitch on 
18:24:10 <cockliuser[m]> wow, you know so many guys
18:24:23 <cockliuser[m]> Really, a testimonial to human communication
18:24:25 <cockliuser[m]> Beautiful 
18:24:26 <pashanim[m]> https://www.t-online.de/region/duesseldorf/id_100104732/duesseldorf-drohanrufer-gegen-weihnachtsmarkt-ist-erst-15-jahre-alt.html
18:24:35 <pashanim[m]> shit vpn
18:24:57 <pashanim[m]> i dont know a single person that got bust while using pp
18:25:01 <cockliuser[m]> Just don't use VPN services and you'll be fine
18:25:23 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: Because no one uses VPNs for illegal stuff? 
18:25:43 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: many ppl do
18:26:25 <cockliuser[m]> Those "many people" don't exist
18:26:54 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: everyone on crimenetwork and cm does 
18:27:00 <cockliuser[m]> If you're using a VPN for piracy, let me tell you that the government doesn't care if you're pirating enough to ask your vpn for data
18:27:16 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: Pseudo-crime forums :) ?
18:27:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> If your doing “illegal stuff” i would use tor, encrypts 3 times and current node only knows ip from previous node.
18:27:45 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: most known european boards
18:27:55 <cockliuser[m]> Next you'll say that nulled is actually a professional hacking forum
18:27:55 <pashanim[m]> nulled is not
18:27:55 <pashanim[m]> haha
18:28:00 <pashanim[m]> and crimemarket is not a hacking forum
18:28:17 <cockliuser[m]> Clearnet forums are honeypots:)
18:28:20 <pashanim[m]> bro
18:28:22 <cockliuser[m]> * are honeypots :)
18:28:35 <pashanim[m]> how do u know?
18:28:41 <cockliuser[m]> Imagine actually visiting a website named crimemarket
18:28:57 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: biggest german fraud board
18:28:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol word search ping
18:29:33 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: If that doesn't shout "HONEYPOT" in bold, I don't know what does
18:29:33 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: how ?
18:29:33 <pashanim[m]> can u explain
18:29:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Probably need an account too i guess
18:29:51 <cockliuser[m]> If you can't understand why, I'm sorry but I can't explain
18:30:02 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: If you can't understand why, I'm sorry but I can't explain
18:30:02 <pashanim[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: not for visiting
18:30:54 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: germany hat many forums back than, non of them were honeypots most of them got bust, bc tech was not that good back than
18:31:08 <pashanim[m]> and crimenetwork ist still there after all that years
18:31:28 <cockliuser[m]> pashanim[m]: Tech is not going to save you from a bust
18:31:28 <pashanim[m]> crimemarket is kinda new tho
18:31:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Just have to say xmr cause this on topic so mod gods don’t say anything
18:31:29 <pashanim[m]> but its ran by a known guy
18:31:41 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: if u think so
18:31:54 <cockliuser[m]> If anything it will aid a bust
18:32:24 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: from my experience it does
18:32:38 <cockliuser[m]> Anyway don't want to get kicked for offtopic so uh have fun with your vpn services and "crime forums" 
18:32:50 <cockliuser[m]> ON THE CLEARNET too
18:32:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Oo
18:33:02 <pashanim[m]> cockliuser[m]: it has onion mirrors
18:33:10 <pashanim[m]> i use them
18:33:44 <cockliuser[m]> Good. A service that is hosted over clearnet is inherently insecure due to the fact that servers can be easily tracked though. 
18:33:55 <xfedex[m]> pashanim[m]: like if tor was untraceable
18:33:59 <plowsof11> leave us alone then, this is not the place for 'crime' discussion 
18:34:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Thats the crime channel
18:34:24 <plowsof11> exactly
18:34:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Where governed by the swedish chef
18:35:25 <pashanim[m]> why do yall use monero than haha
18:35:26 <pashanim[m]> monero = only for crime
18:35:33 <pashanim[m]> like fr
18:35:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So is cash
18:35:56 <pashanim[m]> monero = drugcoin
18:35:57 <artur6593[m]> noice
18:37:45 <plowsof11> https://monerica.com/
18:38:30 <pashanim[m]> lol
18:38:54 <plowsof11> monero means money sir 
19:59:22 <pandakie[m]> Do you use entirely different wallets for churning or just different accounts?
20:02:56 <nioc> Doesn't matter, can be back to the sending address 
20:03:19 <nioc> Addresses are not on the blockchain
20:03:55 <pandakie[m]> Alright thank you :)
20:54:32 <euterpre[m]> > monero = only for crime
20:54:32 <euterpre[m]> What the problem?
20:54:37 <euterpre[m]> Fuck IRS
21:00:26 <c0w[m]> fuck the state
21:00:40 <pashanim[m]> > <@_xmpp_euterpre=40xmpp.is:matrix.org> > monero = only for crime
21:00:40 <pashanim[m]> > What the problem?
21:00:40 <pashanim[m]> fr
21:04:24 <c0w[m]> Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever chooses, without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does..
21:05:27 <c0w[m]> not sure why nothing is said about fiat in that regard. Per volume, it has a much more ample use in crime than anything else by a very long shot
21:05:32 <c0w[m]> fiat is the money of crime
21:05:54 <c0w[m]> it was created with the sole purpose of deceive it's users 
21:06:19 <c0w[m]> s/money/currency/
21:06:49 <c0w[m]> (fractional reserve system for example and what it represents - debt)
21:07:24 <c0w[m]> hope this sets the record strait 
21:07:45 <c0w[m]>  * Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does..
21:08:06 <c0w[m]>  * Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does, actually even worse
21:09:05 <c0w[m]>  * Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does, actually fiat is much much worse
21:10:26 <c0w[m]>  * Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties.
21:10:57 <c0w[m]> s/it's/its/
21:11:42 <c0w[m]> s/strait/straitgh/
21:11:54 <c0w[m]> s/strait/straight/
21:12:36 <MichaelKnight[m]> instructions unclear, record warped
21:38:19 <great_taste> nothing wrong with crime
21:39:16 <great_taste> the very organization that "enforces the law" is the most criminal and corrupt of all
22:20:40 <c0w[m]> absolutely
22:21:01 <c0w[m]> crime is whatever the state dictates, which in itself is a mafia
23:29:04 <great_taste> severity of crime is proportional to how much of a threat it poses to the monopoly of said mafia