00:16:57 <apotheon> "Do crime."
01:52:30 <cockliuser[m]> <great_taste> "severity of crime is proportiona..." <- I'm going to murder you
01:52:51 <cockliuser[m]> That definitely posed a threat to the government 
01:55:14 <cockliuser[m]> It's definitely not a crime because it threatens human life
01:58:54 <cyberdogg[m]> Just want to say “fuk the state”!!
02:01:17 <cockliuser[m]> cyberdogg[m]: Saying fuck the state isn't going to help anyone.  Participate in major human rights protests against the government, worker unions, and self-sufficiency to actually "fuck the state" 
02:01:46 <cyberdogg[m]> Makes me feel good
02:01:59 <walraven[m]> <c0w[m]> "crime is whatever the state..." <- They made you a criminal if you didn't wear a surgical mask in a national forest. Like every other totalitarian takeover they'll make you a criminal for anything against the narrative. And in this one your esg score will go down and you'll be subjected to exclusionary measures if you have the wrong views on abortion/tranny's all the way to if you don't dust off the picture of the fuhrer they
02:01:59 <walraven[m]> require you to hang on your wall. Like in current North Korea if it isn't you and your great grandchildren get to die (not joking)
02:02:26 <cyberdogg[m]> Workers unions?   What are you some sort of communist?
02:02:42 <cockliuser[m]> cyberdogg[m]: Capitalism supports the formation of worker unions
02:03:58 <cockliuser[m]> walraven[m]: Holy hell mods are lax in this channel lol
02:04:07 <cockliuser[m]> Or they're asleep
02:04:18 <as2333> cockliuser[m] what do you expect them to do, exactly
02:04:21 <cyberdogg[m]> We don’t live under a capitalist state. We live under tyrannical dictatorships.
02:04:53 <kahz17790[m]> Yo I love monero who here loves monero
02:05:09 <cyberdogg[m]> Government by definition is a tyranny
02:05:41 <cockliuser[m]> as2333: There's a word in that message that gets you banned from all chats that like to virtue signal 👀
02:05:46 <as2333> cockliuser[m] are you expecting more 'moderation', correctly spelled censorship or what
02:06:15 <cockliuser[m]> Begins with "Tr" ends with "y" 💀
02:06:59 <cockliuser[m]> Obviously it means the transmission of a car
02:13:11 <cockliuser[m]> <kahz17790[m]> "Yo I love monero who here..." <- I love monerochan and want her to sit on me
02:15:08 <kahz17790[m]> So based holy 
02:18:56 <nioc> RIP mooo
02:46:32 <geonic> wut
02:48:37 <nioc> just commentary
02:53:58 <dANBs[m]> wander[xmpp]: wtf
02:54:34 <dANBs[m]> wander[xmpp]: wat is dANBs
02:56:38 <nioc> a bridge that enables you to be here
02:59:40 <dANBs[m]> wander[xmpp]: How to get it
03:06:08 <nioc> you are currently using it
04:07:39 <cockliuser[m]> what's the name of the trader channel 
04:46:42 <geonic> #monero-markets
04:46:49 <geonic> I think
04:57:05 <cockliuser[m]> Thanks
05:00:02 <cockliuser[m]> Why can't small merchants accept 0 conf transactions 
05:01:22 <cockliuser[m]> It wouldn't be worth it to do a network wide attack to purchase a chicken wing
05:01:53 <cockliuser[m]> So should small merchants be using zero confirmation transactions 
05:30:36 <geonic> Yes, they should
08:12:17 <narodnik> gm
09:05:22 <raas[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "So should small merchants be..." <- For coffee? Sure. I would feel comfortable doing that the bad thing is I don't sell shit. 
09:06:05 <raas[m]> <narodnik> "gm" <- So dark over here... Good night!
09:11:02 <plowsof11> im not sure if fooling a 0-conf merchant requires a network attack - rather - that you just know the node the merchant is using (with other steps i wont provide a bad explanation for)
09:19:46 <Siren[m]> <walraven[m]> "They made you a criminal if..." <- Funny because most governments are anti-abortion and anti-LGBT. But yeah people will choose to exclude you if you don't respect their rights or discriminate against them.
09:20:19 <raas[m]> <plowsof11> "im not sure if fooling a 0-..." <- How easy can be to know the node he's using? You need to literally look to his computer or phone?
09:20:25 <Siren[m]> <plowsof11> "im not sure if fooling a 0-..." <- How long does the first confirmation take again?
09:22:39 <Siren[m]> raas[m]: Either by doing that or looking at the network traffic
09:24:22 <raas[m]> Siren[m]: Quite easy then. Still I feel it will be safe to accept 0 conf for coffee. Not much people will be scanning your traffic for two or three free coffees. 
09:25:20 <Siren[m]> Perhaps that 1 confirmation will happen by the time the coffee is ready?
09:25:28 <raas[m]> First confirmation should take only like 3 minutes. Usually you'll need to drink fast
09:25:52 <Siren[m]> I think it's slightly longer now but I might be remembering wrong
09:26:16 <Siren[m]> Coffee shops take well over 3 mins to serve coffee so it's ok
09:31:50 <plowsof11> 1st confirmation could be 12-17 seconds (lower if the node you broadcast from is using tor and not doing something else i wont badly explain, ofrnxmr knows)
09:32:00 <plowsof11> sorry, 0conf*
09:34:05 <plowsof11> merchant thinks : lets make it faster and tell the customer my node 
09:35:53 <Siren[m]> I guess we would start bookmarking nodes of shops and food places if monero was very common
09:37:49 <plowsof11> sharing the node of our local kebab shop in secret 0conf chats 
09:39:12 <Siren[m]> Local kebab shop node > cake wallet nodes
09:43:53 <plowsof11> time to first confirmation is now reduced by ~30 seconds (assuming all pools have started updating their block templates (the 0conf transactions / mempool) recent stats analysis by Rucknium gave shed more light on this / pushed them to improving
09:45:56 <plowsof11> in the case of in purchase payments, i wouldnt be too concerned with 0conf (unless the person buying from  you is holding a thinkpad laptop without windows OS on it sending you piconeros over and over and saying ' did you see that?... did you get that  one? this one? '  
09:46:25 <plowsof11> merchants could also let people 'pay first' before they make the kebab - and when its done , confirm theyve got 1-3 confirms
09:47:02 <plowsof11> in person*
09:49:45 <plowsof11> do not tell / show customer that a zero conf was received until after a minimum of x seconds perhaps to mitigate this 🤔
09:52:22 <Siren[m]> <plowsof11> "in the case of in purchase..." <- I'd refuse them at that point
09:58:55 <sech1> relax, no one's going to double spend a kebab
10:01:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Depends if your drunk
10:02:16 <plowsof11> ive been trying to double spend to buy kebabs, i have failed - my moneros are gone and i have gained weight
10:06:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You need dynamic weight size
12:11:14 <cockliuser[m]> <plowsof11> "sharing the node of our local..." <- Local outgoing-only node? 
17:18:10 <patsavoura[m]> Newbie question. I decided to test monero again and eventually host a node. I did install the monero gui app fpr a quick review before I delve into VMs etc. I did get synchronized and wanted to test the mining feature. Since it allows p2pool I decided to try my luck there and I have left it running for a couple of days now. When I type status in the log window at some point it says "not mining" while the status says mining at a low hash
17:18:10 <patsavoura[m]> rate. Which is it?
17:18:46 <patsavoura[m]> I thought it may be due to me not opening any ports since everything runs on the same computer but I wanted to make sure, before opening random ports on my main machine.
17:22:42 <selsta> patsavoura[m]: p2pool mining uses a separate program
17:23:01 <selsta> status would only show if you are mining with the daemon built in miner
17:35:19 <patsavoura[m]> <selsta> "patsavoura: p2pool mining uses a..." <- can i query p2pool from the same machine to see more stats?
17:36:10 <selsta> sech1: ^
17:36:16 <patsavoura[m]> and if there is a calculator to see what i shiuld be mining on average?
17:38:44 <sech1> use "--data-api path/to/api/folder" in command line and you'll get a bunch of auto-updating json files there
17:38:49 <sech1> do whatever you want with them
19:38:41 <s0x41[m]> Hello everyone
19:45:12 <plowsof11> hello
20:30:09 <betcryptocr[m]> Hello everyone we are almost done with XMR sportsbook / casino some sneak pics 
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20:31:02 <betcryptocr[m]> Is going to be KYC free and available worldwide  
20:34:39 <RavFX[m]> I'm not gambling my coins (except with that red or green button).
20:34:39 <RavFX[m]> But that can be nice for some
20:36:09 <cockliuser[m]> betcryptocr[m]: Any legal issues? 
20:36:29 <plowsof11> RavFX thats called investing sir!
20:36:50 <betcryptocr[m]> cockliuser[m]: Nope we are from costa rica and our only gambling laws are clear 
20:37:43 <betcryptocr[m]> s/only/online/
20:37:43 <betcryptocr[m]> We are not required to ask for KYC 
20:39:15 <as2333> betcryptocr[m] you might end up in a US jail though?
20:39:55 <betcryptocr[m]> as2333: No extradition in Costa Rica so no i will not end up in a Us jail 
20:40:28 <as2333> oh - then again isn't costa rica a de facto US colony
20:40:46 <betcryptocr[m]> Hahahah nope thats Puerto Rica 
20:40:52 <as2333> hehe
20:41:34 <betcryptocr[m]> We are a country in central America hahahaha really nice by the way 
20:41:34 <cyberdogg[m]> cockliuser: > <@betcrypto.cr:matrix.org> Is going to be KYC free and available worldwide  
20:41:34 <cyberdogg[m]> Any legal issues? 
20:41:34 <cyberdogg[m]> betcrypto.cr: Nope we are from costa rica and our online gambling laws are clear
20:41:34 <betcryptocr[m]> s/Rica/Rico/
20:42:12 <nerowin[m]> <betcryptocr[m]> "image (23).png" <- That casino is not verifiable. Unlike https://nerowin.net/ (a 100% verifiable lottery game for Monero and Wownero) you don't know how fair the game is.
20:42:31 <betcryptocr[m]> nerowin[m]: We are using pragmatic 
20:42:36 <betcryptocr[m]> as our slots provider 
20:42:44 <betcryptocr[m]> they are the most trusted provider
20:43:18 <betcryptocr[m]> All our slots providers are trusted and regulated 
20:43:30 <betcryptocr[m]> Pragmatic , Betsoft , evolution etc 
20:43:43 <plowsof11> nerowin isn't even real 
20:43:51 <nerowin[m]> betcryptocr[m]: As Satoshi Nakamoto said, "Don't trust, verify."
20:44:01 <plowsof11> must be thinking of https://monero.win
20:44:37 <nerowin[m]> plowsof11: It do is real. Started up 2 weeks ago.
20:44:37 <plowsof11> (competing gambling sites begin fighting to decide who is the best)
20:44:38 <betcryptocr[m]> nerowin[m]: Yeah and pragmatic software is regularly audited
20:45:34 <betcryptocr[m]> plowsof11: Well we have slots , live betting , sportsbook and Poker soooooo 
20:53:39 <hypervillain[m]> betcrypto.cr: when is that sportsbook coming?
21:27:09 <betcryptocr[m]> <hypervillain[m]> "betcrypto.cr: when is that..." <- In less than 2 weeks if you want we can add you to the beta tester group just send me an email at x⊙bc 
21:28:14 <hypervillain[m]> betcrypto.cr: what sports/leagues will you cover?
21:28:39 <betcryptocr[m]> All this ones look
21:28:41 <betcryptocr[m]> one sec
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21:31:06 <betcryptocr[m]> Also US politics hahaha
21:31:39 <hypervillain[m]> betcrypto.cr: so US sports? what feed are you using to verify the results?
21:31:59 <betcryptocr[m]> hypervillain[m]: We have also European sports 
21:32:16 <betcryptocr[m]> We have a provider to verify the results via API
21:32:46 <hypervillain[m]> what provider is that, if you don't mind me asking?
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21:33:47 <betcryptocr[m]> hypervillain[m]: Hehehe yeah we don't disclose the sportsbook api provider sorry 
21:34:40 <betcryptocr[m]> Since anyone can google the result of the sport is not important with API provider we use 
21:38:39 <hypervillain[m]> betcrypto.cr: so, tell me. how do you plan to treat sharp bettors? the tradfi bookies seem to ban people who actually make a profit
21:39:51 <betcryptocr[m]> We manage our sportsbook like is supposed to we just take the VIG we don't care if anyone wins a lot 
21:40:16 <hypervillain[m]> so you're an exchange like betfair, not a sportsbook?
21:41:54 <betcryptocr[m]> hypervillain[m]: We are a sportsbook the sportsbook is supposed to make money with the VIG 
21:41:54 <betcryptocr[m]> The thing is some sportsbook take alot of risk in order to make more money 
21:41:58 <betcryptocr[m]> And the are no happy with only the VIG
21:42:09 <plowsof11> get this shilling out of here hypervillain betcrypto.cr 
21:43:18 <hypervillain[m]> plowsof: if you're familiar with sports betting you should know that what's happening here is a red flag after red flag. not shilling
21:43:24 <great_taste> fucking scam
21:46:40 <betcryptocr[m]> Hahah dude just because i don't what to give you who is my provider i am label as a red flag 
21:47:29 <plowsof11> oh, you are probing for info hypervillain, i see, well the discussion has no end in sight and its offtopic 
21:48:15 <plowsof11> DYOR gambling is sus 
21:55:40 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> https://f-droid.monerujo.io/fdroid/repo?fingerprint=A82C68E14AF0AA6A2EC20E6B272EFF25E5A038F3F65884316E0F5E0D91E7B713 another good foss monero android wallet , check github if you want code
21:55:40 <hypervillain[m]> plowsof: you're right, it's time to cease & desist. but for the record, sportbooks absolutely need to make a profit on bets, betting exchanges make their profits elsewhere. this is elementary stuff, if you find people trying to get you to sign onto a platform where they don't even know this - well, that's suspicious
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21:57:14 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> > <@cyberdogg:matrix.org> cockliuser: > <@betcrypto.cr:matrix.org> Is going to be KYC free and available worldwide... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/11cac1c5f23021e82c88d2091115e92210862059>)
21:57:18 <betcryptocr[m]> Pleas read more about how a sportsbook make money
21:57:31 <betcryptocr[m]> before saying i am a scam ; )
21:57:56 <betcryptocr[m]> fjhfjfhg6837hyyv: Yeah we will donate to the XMR foundation 
21:58:13 <betcryptocr[m]> I will be happy to i love the project
21:58:26 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> <great_taste> "fucking scam" <- If you don't want to get scammed use tradeogre , best no kyc privacy exchange
21:58:51 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Beside atomic swaps
21:58:56 <betcryptocr[m]> s/Pleas/Please/
22:01:06 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Exodus wallet - is from a us company? And wanted / did went public ? I used it a lot great wallet , but closed source and high exchange fees. Anyone know their swap privacy? Maybe ain't so bad, or it is. I can recommend tradeogre never failed me
22:02:23 <nioc> monero has a foundation?   
22:02:25 <nioc> lol
22:02:42 <betcryptocr[m]> nioc: AKA the General found wallet XD
22:03:26 <betcryptocr[m]> s/found/fund/
22:04:02 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Send money to more entities. Not just one
22:04:30 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> I host 5 xmr node around the world lulz 
22:05:00 <betcryptocr[m]> fjhfjfhg6837hyyv: Well if we find a cool monero project we can also fund it 
22:05:06 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Freetube and newpipe are good projects to support
22:05:38 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Okay monero related either Seth for privacy for writing guides on p2pool etc 
22:05:52 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Or some random node operators
22:06:36 <betcryptocr[m]> Yeah sure with the profits i can donate to some monero projects i like this coin a lot 
22:07:00 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Xmr-best or so was a cool event people got boosted using the p2pool and received random free hash power if they had ports open
22:07:09 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> * xmr beast or so
22:07:44 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Support the p2pool is the best choice 
22:07:46 <plowsof11> xmrvsbeast.com p2pool.io
22:07:49 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Lacks of funding
22:08:34 <betcryptocr[m]> Sure if the Casino get profitable, we can help some promise projects with funding 
22:09:10 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Gambling is retarded anyway
22:09:10 <plowsof11> lol
22:09:13 <betcryptocr[m]> I like p2pool.io
22:10:13 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Hard to not be profitable as long as you give openAI the php code and check for SQL injection vulnerabilities
22:10:46 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> Use unique salt for hashed user passwords
22:12:22 <betcryptocr[m]> Hahaha we don't use PHP XD
22:12:57 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> ? Go?
22:13:20 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> No clue or is it crapy tradeogre HTML
22:13:57 <fjhfjfhg6837hyyv> What's so funny about using php?
22:14:21 <plowsof11> #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
22:19:18 <plowsof11> p2pool's hardfork on testnet was a success, everything is on track, nice work sech1 https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/issues/224
22:26:49 <plowsof11> Blake2b is part of RandomX - this needs to be added/merged into Seraphis - not an easy task. there is a bounty to help support that which people can donate to also https://bounties.monero.social/posts/75/0-348m-blake2b-c-dev-challenge-seraphis
23:00:15 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 156: January 19 - 26, 2023. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-156.html
23:19:38 <raas[m]> Is there any reason for the film ccs not being at https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ ?
23:22:33 <plowsof11> the last remaining problem i can think of is the images attached to the pull request https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371/diffs (if they are placed elsewhere , so its only the .md file it should be ok)
23:26:08 <raas[m]> Oh so it's a technical problem. Cool thanks. I'm not sure what I think about it. I do think it needs to be viewed by community. Be it by donors and/or through a monerokon cinema sesión.