06:18:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ceetee[m]> "my old phone doesn't have enough..." <- http://waw7epjul5xeacm4niblpgihdtg3atxyqekrlgz5spynqosdzftnbfad.onion/index.php?article=hdd_sync
06:18:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ill implement thus eventually 
06:20:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> ceetee🇧🇪:  when using termux node script?
06:20:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have a Samsung SD card running a pruned node for > a year now. 0 corruptions. 
06:21:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ive OOM termux, and had it force closed by the os plenty of times. Never had an issue with corrupted db on android
06:25:26 <sech1> I have a corrupted db on android right now
06:25:38 <sech1> exactly because termux was OOM killed
06:26:24 <sech1> to be fair, it was also force close before plenty of times and no problems
06:27:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive had more luck corrupting the db on desktop linux :P 
06:28:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> But yeah, its always possible. Id assume if its repetitive its likely a bad SD card
06:30:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> My tablet has 2.7gb ram and will OOM if I do anything else on the same device. Last OOM 6 days ago :P
09:02:09 <ceetee[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> ceetee🇧🇪:  when using termux node script?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/179df265d73a5befd4eb2f9a2a405fd8d14d64a3>)
09:03:11 <ceetee[m]> Might behave differently with another SD card, haven't tries
09:03:19 <fiercepaddy[m]> What is the most private way to use monero? In a whonix VM? 
09:05:26 <ceetee[m]> its too finicky and unreliable for my taste, don't want to babysit my nide
09:35:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ceetee[m]> "its too finicky and unreliable..." <- I dont babysit mine, at all
09:36:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only goes OOM when I use the device for something else. Aside from that its sitting up on a shelf and I SSH into it
09:49:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are s few cases where the binaries simply dont run. Huawei p20 for example. And iirc an issue with graphene
10:15:40 <ceetee[m]> It is too hardware dependent to recommend "just get an old android + micro SD card to have low power 24/7 node", which was my original intention
10:17:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> As compared to using an older pc with an hdd?
10:17:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or a newer one with a HDD for that matter 
10:17:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> SD cards arent magic. They are slow.
10:19:05 <dANBs[m]> wander[xmpp]: Is mining monero still a viable option? Is worthwhile to mine with smartphones? What is best coin to mine with smartphone?
10:20:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Define viable
10:20:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Profitable? Do-able?
10:22:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, termux node used to use safe sync mode, which performed more writes than necessary (which is bad for flash storage in general)
10:28:56 <ceetee[m]> Exactly. SD cards are shit for anything but media files, and monerod is easily bottlenecked by slow storage
10:29:10 <ceetee[m]> SBC (or small form factor PC) with NVME is the way to go, I think
10:35:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Android TV boxes and again, android mobile devices work with ssd storage as well
10:36:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> External ssd should work out ofnthe box with my script, provided there (isnt also an SD card installed)
11:54:13 <ceetee[m]> I've tried manual setup my daily driver phone with a usb3 nvme ssd, and I couldnt access it from termux. And even if that works, you still have to deal with supplying power
11:54:32 <ceetee[m]> Thought about making a custom adapter, that allows data to an external, while also allowing charging the phone
11:55:25 <ceetee[m]> But that's only worth the time if there is some demand for it
12:27:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ceetee[m]> "Thought about making a custom..." <- They sell them foe 15$
12:27:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have one plugged in rn
12:27:14 <plowsof11> there are some off the shelf 'pass-thru' type things which regulate when your phone is charged / allowed to discharge (to extend battery life) - would be ideal for this
12:29:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Adapter-QCEs-Thunderbolt-Compatible/dp/B07QHWKPML
12:29:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exsmole
12:29:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Itd called "USB OTG". Been around for like 15 years
12:30:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Exaggerating)
12:31:54 <plowsof11> heres one ofthose pass-thru charger things https://chargie.org/
12:33:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> And if you cant access it, need to run termux-storage-setup
12:33:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> RTFM Rucknium: 
12:35:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> (I didnt read the part about what the behavior is with multiple external storage devices, but having only 1 = works same as SD card)
12:37:06 <cockliuser[m]> At that point just buy one of those cheap sbc
12:37:17 <cockliuser[m]> *sbcs
12:37:39 <cockliuser[m]> For an open-source one, you have the Pine64
12:41:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> cockliuser[m]: At which point?
12:41:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally, my Samsung automatically limits to 80% full charge with a built in setting 
12:43:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> And my android TV already has external power + extra USB ports. The dongle for using a phone etc with an external hard drive, is more useful than just an external hard drive
13:52:08 <ceetee[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Itd called "USB OTG". Been..." <- since mini USB, so longer than 15 years ;) Didn't think about the hub thingies, but rather a "passive" solution that passes the data directly through and only injects power... but at 15€ its hard to compete
14:02:34 <Guest4588> hi
14:02:48 <Guest4588> multisig is still experimental?
14:03:19 <Guest4588> is not enabled by default so is experimental
14:17:12 <xfedex[m]> Known vulnerabilities have been fixed
14:17:13 <xfedex[m]> <Guest4588> "multisig is still experimental?" <- Yes, but it should work
14:21:27 <Guest4588> is not enabled by default so is experimental!
14:45:17 <selsta> until we have security proofs for multisig it will stay marked as experimental
15:12:54 <L29Ah> i'm interested in the current structure of monero blocks; https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/3958/what-is-the-format-of-a-block-in-the-monero-blockchain references "CNS003" that is unobtainum now(?), where should i go for such protocol docs?
15:15:59 <sech1> https://web.archive.org/web/20160514070741/https://cryptonote.org/cns/cns003.txt
15:17:44 <sech1> unlock_time is not a UNIX timestamp though, it's a block height in Monero
15:19:03 <L29Ah> thanks
15:19:59 <hyc> it's not always a block height. sometimes it's a timestamp.
15:20:55 <L29Ah> yeah, i see it's clarified in cns004
15:21:45 <sech1> yes, if it's bigger than CRYPTONOTE_MAX_BLOCK_NUMBER it's treated as a timestamp
15:21:57 <sech1> CRYPTONOTE_MAX_BLOCK_NUMBER = 500000000
15:44:35 <Inge> unlock_time affects change as well?
15:45:13 <plowsof11> yes
15:47:22 <plowsof11> the 'soon to be deployed unlock_time moneropedia entry https://deploy-preview-2076--barolo-time-757cf9.netlify.app/resources/moneropedia/unlocktime.html
15:48:43 <merope> I'd also put in bold the "This means any returning change will be locked too." at the beginning
15:49:03 <plowsof11> it is deployed on site* ignore 
15:49:13 <gimiso90[m]> Hello, I just bought an exact needed amount of Monero and then the price dropped and now I'm short on few cents. Should I wait for it to increase or what? 
15:52:10 <Inge> Having margins is sometimes useful
15:53:18 <gimiso90[m]> True.
15:56:36 <plowsof11> "or what" , are you begging?
15:59:42 <plowsof11> make a reddit post, wait for business owner to say "send me a screenshot of your address in our wallet" -> receive 5$ instead -> rinse repeat
16:00:01 <plowsof11> not here thanks 
16:00:02 <gimiso90[m]> plowsof11: No, why? 
20:04:37 <monerobull[m]1> <gimiso90[m]> "Hello, I just bought an exact..." <- That's why you go to checkout before buying the coins (or already have more than enough coins)
20:04:37 <monerobull[m]1> You could also use trocadors payment mode