00:51:13 <apotheon> ofrnxmr[m]: thanks for the link
00:52:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> RavFX:  is author 👍
00:52:39 <apotheon> cool
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06:34:51 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Wen tx_extra nft 😦
07:46:02 <bridgerton[m]> <BobbedBort> how large can t_extra padding be?
10:28:02 <popeblack[m]> Hello
14:59:32 <Pcubensis[m]> I have monerod set up and synced the blockchain, i have xmrig running as well. When I run monerod status i get his message: Error: Problem fetching info-- rpc_request: Then in the status I get mining info unavailable even tho I can see xmrig running. Output of status also shows 0(out)+0(in) connections. I can get info from the RPC in tor browser. I feel like I've set something up wrong but don't know what
15:00:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> rpc login is blocking monerod status
15:00:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or torsocks
15:00:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Torsocks is unneeded. I sugeest you make these changes to your config
15:04:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Add... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/7ac9cd15f1f3278c37c6dd2689f6a4f3af1a4697>)
15:04:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> And dont use torsocks
15:10:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> The above disables torsocks (old method) in favor of --proxy (new method), and adds a new port for restricted calls, allowing full use of unrestricted port while on localhost.
15:10:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> If this doesnt work, its probably rpc-login
15:16:25 <Pcubensis[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Add... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4fe56a608173ca7186e025009b059ff4f6bb4b10>)
15:34:32 <Pcubensis[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social>... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/272da2d44b80c087f846193bd92ae9c2a022b661>)
15:52:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure about that one. It shouldn't, (unless you also use the node with monero gui and have mining enabled?)
16:00:17 <selsta> Pcubensis[m]: did you enable background mining in monero-wallet-cli?
16:03:18 <Pcubensis[m]> selsta: Yes i did
16:04:28 <selsta> I assume that's why it says smart mining?
16:04:32 <selsta> disable it if you want to use xmrig
16:06:47 <Pcubensis[m]> oh ok, let me try that
16:10:49 <Pcubensis[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Add... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/429621032ce68775a57a90c996bdfd0e7ef09932>)
16:13:12 <Pcubensis[m]> nvm i forgot to change the virtual port in torrc
16:13:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont understand 
16:14:52 <Pcubensis[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: HiddenServicePort 18081 127.0.0.1:18089
16:15:01 <Pcubensis[m]> changed to HiddenServicePort 18089 127.0.0.1:18089
16:15:43 <Pcubensis[m]> I assume when running the node and xmrig it should say not mining?
16:17:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> sudo systemctl restart tor
16:17:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> After changing torrc
16:19:25 <Pcubensis[m]> Yes i did
16:19:27 <Pcubensis[m]> thanks!
16:20:02 <Pcubensis[m]> Is there a way to pull up xmrig status since its running the background?
16:22:23 <plowsof11> does this help https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig#usage
16:24:08 <plowsof11> or does monerod status show the mining hash of xmrig? 
16:38:49 <Pcubensis[m]> <plowsof11> "or does monerod status show..." <- Is that the net hash in the ```monerod status``` output? If it is, then yes
16:40:16 <plowsof11> net hash is the whole network, if monerod status says "not mining" them i would be worried 
16:41:10 <plowsof11> unless monerod is xmrig mining hash agnostic and will always display "not mining" , i do not know
16:46:19 <Pcubensis[m]> Ok, I'm running on ssh, when i run xmrig the miner comes up, but the process ends if i disconnect the ssh session, is there a way to make it run in the background?
16:49:04 <Pcubensis[m]> ok, there was an option in config.json for background
16:49:13 <Pcubensis[m]> but still says not mining in monerod, guess i'll just watch my balance and see if i earn any moneroj
16:49:47 <plowsof11> we're asking tech support questions play - by - play here, we can do this all day / week for you 
16:49:54 <Rucknium[m]> P. cubensis: Go to #xmrmine:matrix.org 
16:52:19 <Rucknium[m]> I don't think monerod knows that xmrig's hash rate. Easiest way to keep a process running (but still accessible to shell commands later) after disconnect is to use screen. Or you can add & after the command and it will push the process to the background in Linux
16:59:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, screen or tmux
17:00:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, monerod doesnt know xmrig hashrate.
17:00:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Typing `h` into xmrig will show current hashrate 
17:42:26 <Pcubensis[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Yes, screen or tmux" <- I went into ```config.json``` and set ```"background":true``` and it runs in the background, but now i can't check hashrate
17:42:31 <Pcubensis[m]> guess i'll try tmux
17:53:38 <smathy[m]> You can have it log the hash rate.
18:29:17 <PredatorONormies> HI
19:12:17 <Anonymous__> Soo does anyone here mine Monero with renewable energy?
19:20:39 <WinterStar> Yes me, technically, with a modest PC and solar energy
19:24:43 <Anonymous__> Really, really, really?
19:24:51 <Anonymous__> Say no more! Time to say more
19:31:01 <WinterStar> Nothing more to say. Also, there's no time
19:31:53 <someoneelse49549> WinterStar: In which county do you mine?
19:32:13 <someoneelse49549> mb wanted to ping @WinterStar
19:32:34 <someoneelse49549>  * mb wanted to ping @WinterStar
19:32:39 <WinterStar> In the tiny country of The Netherlands
19:33:02 <Anonymous__> WinterStar, how does it feel to be independent (at least more than most)?
19:33:54 <XMRPriest[m]> I have a quick question, if I bought my BTC through a KYC exchange, can they know that I swapped it in monero on another exchange ?
19:33:54 <XMRPriest[m]> I assume they can
19:34:08 <WinterStar> Anonymous__: independent how?
19:34:42 <WinterStar> because of doing my own mining or the renewable thing?
19:35:06 <cockliuser[m]> XMRPriest[m]: They can know you deposited btc to an exchange but not the swap part
19:35:20 <WinterStar> Both feel good: monero is not from an exchange so truly anonymous, and renewable doesn't tax the environment
19:35:26 <cockliuser[m]> If they're not colluding of course
19:35:51 <WinterStar> The bad thing however: mining goes painfully slow
19:36:16 <WinterStar> xmrig in a tmux session on an old AMD system
19:36:55 <WinterStar> but hey. at least it's doing something, and the PC is a small always on system
19:37:06 <Anonymous__> WinterStar, power as well as currency :D
19:37:07 <XMRPriest[m]> Oh really, good to know!! I thought they can follow till the swap but they could always come after me wanting to know what I did with my BTC cockliuser do you buy off local monero ? 
19:37:14 <Anonymous__> both
19:37:41 <Anonymous__> WinterStar, wait what do you mean tax the environment? Don't tell me you didn't install the system yourself?
19:37:49 <cockliuser[m]> XMRPriest[m]: I don't really buy Monero I just sell stuff for Monero 
19:37:55 <Anonymous__> nice
19:38:13 <Anonymous__> I have a laptop, but I don't want to stress it too much.. please live as long as you can, you little butterfly
19:38:18 <XMRPriest[m]> Nice, what other do you sell then they email domains ?
19:38:19 <Anonymous__> I got a beast but it's too loud lol
19:38:42 <WinterStar> Laptop mining destroyed one of my laptop's GPU's way back in 2012
19:39:08 <cockliuser[m]> XMRPriest[m]: On another website (sellix) I sell some other digital goods :P
19:39:08 <cockliuser[m]> Also do some developer bounties 
19:39:17 <WinterStar> So no laptop mining. The system I use for monero is a mini build with a desktop CPU
19:39:46 <Anonymous__> WinterStar, I was surprised how good GPU mining can be for me
19:40:02 <Anonymous__> I honestly don't even use this computer and probably shouldn't sell it
19:40:05 <WinterStar> I cannot seem to get GPU monero mining operational
19:40:08 <Anonymous__> Might as well mine with CPU and GPU xD
19:40:21 <Anonymous__> should throw this PC into cold weather outside and let it cool that way
19:40:42 <Anonymous__> I tried CPU+GPU XMR mining
19:40:47 <Anonymous__> I don't think it made such a difference
19:40:59 <Anonymous__> I think it might be better to mine ETH or something and then just exchange for XMR :D
19:41:01 <cockliuser[m]> XMRPriest[m]: The government can potentially follow, even the swap step, but a public observer like the KYCed exchange can at most only know that you deposited some money to an address belonging to another exchange
19:41:31 <WinterStar> Isn't the ETH difficulty much higher than XMR?
19:41:36 <cockliuser[m]> Anonymous__: Eth can't be mined now 😅
19:42:04 <WinterStar> ^
19:42:23 <Anonymous__> Wiat what?
19:42:31 <u221f> not since the merge
19:42:41 <cockliuser[m]> WinterStar: ETH switched to PoS in like 2021 but yeah accumulating all that ETH for staking is pretty difficult
19:42:42 <u221f> September 15, 2022
19:44:25 <WinterStar> Hmm
19:46:11 <Anonymous__> What merge?
19:47:23 <u221f> Anonymous__: https://ethereum.org/en/upgrades/merge/
19:53:57 <XMRPriest[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "The government can potentially..." <- That makes sense because when I’ve seen diagrams from governments tracing coins from hacks, they can show when the Bitcoin was swapped to monero which is scary in it of itself 
19:56:17 <Anonymous__> scary?
19:56:32 <Anonymous__> Welcome to reality - where bad shit actually does happen, instead governments brain-washing you lol
19:56:44 <Anonymous__> > we'll nail every bad bad
19:56:56 <Anonymous__> > we'll bad bad
19:57:00 <Anonymous__> > we decide what is bad, fuck you
19:57:50 <Anonymous__> Governments control news, can fake crimes (or place like drugs or smtn), and come-out as a hero in the end while getting your hearts warm lol
19:58:17 <Anonymous__> You have no idea how much control it is POSSIBLE to do.. now whether they're doing it or not - it seems to be yes more day by day
19:58:30 <WinterStar> From my experience, you should never underestimate how much governments are subject to Hanlon's razor
19:58:48 <Anonymous__> to wot
19:59:05 <WinterStar> It's amusing to me how in the US people perceive goverment officials to be all-powerful schemers
19:59:37 <as2333> you think they're powerless?
19:59:39 <WinterStar> where in reality, governments are mostly way too stupid to pull of anything coherent
19:59:49 <as2333> really?
20:00:09 <as2333> is there any evidence for such claim?
20:00:09 <WinterStar> as2333: not powerless, but overestimated
20:00:14 <WinterStar> Yes
20:00:16 <WinterStar> There is
20:00:37 <as2333> are you aware for instance that the US has the highest incarceration rate on the planet? 
20:00:40 <WinterStar> I met a government official who could not succesfully distinguish metal from plastic
20:00:44 <WinterStar> :)
20:00:47 <WinterStar> but I digress
20:01:07 <WinterStar> as2333: yes. But what proof of anything is that?
20:01:13 <as2333> of course there are some pretty stupid government 'officials' 
20:01:15 <Anonymous__> I don't have eye-health to read that ETH post.. how bad is proof-of-stake? I recall feeling very bad about it
20:01:22 <WinterStar> You could train monkeys to stuff people in prisoins
20:01:31 <Anonymous__> > <WinterStar> It's amusing to me how in the US people perceive goverment officials to be all-powerful schemers < Same here, but I doubt it's US-specific xD
20:01:54 <great_taste> perceiving them as powerful is part of the "programming"
20:01:58 <as2333> WinterStar well, it seems kinda obvious the US govt has enough power to put millions and millions of people in jail.
20:02:03 <great_taste> they need you to have fear
20:02:13 <WinterStar> I am referencing my own country, to be sure. But in general, governments are inefficient, civil-servant filled mologs
20:02:13 <Anonymous__> > <WinterStar> where in reality, governments are mostly way too stupid to pull of anything coherent < Well not really.. I mean.. maybe, but the power they posses - is huge.. even 1 smart person can do so much damager with it
20:02:22 <Anonymous__> ah yes I wanted to say - plant evidence
20:02:28 <Anonymous__> i'm a bit slow in brain
20:02:38 <as2333> WinterStar and that's just one example, although it should be a rather shocking one in my opinion.
20:02:50 <Anonymous__> Perhaps they meant over-congratulated?
20:03:08 <Anonymous__> social programming yall
20:03:11 <as2333> WinterStar the netherlands is pretty evil and corrupt 
20:03:15 <Anonymous__> it happenign for decades
20:03:21 <Anonymous__> > my own country < you have a country?
20:04:00 <Anonymous__> Honestly - we should stop having wars and be like "my country", "your country", "my country better because well umm - because I AM IN IT!!!", and be like humans - you is human, I am human, human.
20:04:10 <Anonymous__> Human help human = help self
20:04:12 <as2333> WinterStar governments are the most efficient criminal organziation in town. That's how they keep their power. 
20:04:13 <Anonymous__> overpopulation my ass
20:04:23 <WinterStar> as2333: that is true
20:04:39 <Anonymous__> People have wars while the generals/presidents drink alcohol and celebrate together
20:04:59 <as2333> WinterStar I do agree that government criminals are stupid in a way, and unable to produce useful stuff, but they are good at their criminal 'trade' 
20:04:59 <Anonymous__> I plan on writing digital books
20:05:03 <Anonymous__> if my eyes get better
20:05:16 <Anonymous__> You won't believe how much i can open your eyes..
20:05:21 <Anonymous__> you might commit suicide because it's seriously like Matrix
20:05:47 <Anonymous__> hopefully not, Monero users are nice
20:11:12 <Anonymous__> as2333, I agree
20:11:20 <Anonymous__> But I think govs they money from ads
20:11:26 <Anonymous__> I'll write about it
20:11:35 <Anonymous__> I forgot the thought 
20:12:32 <Anonymous__> Basically I think that governments get some of their money from corporations by spying, like ads
20:12:39 <Anonymous__> Not sure if that's all of it
20:12:54 <Anonymous__> but also - yeah - tax. Imagine paying someone to spy on you and use you
20:16:58 <great_taste> you fund your own slavery
20:26:26 <WinterStar> as2333: indeed, all politicians are prone to shady behaviour, but also (fortunately?) pretty incompentent in their assigned fields. 
20:26:34 <WinterStar> Anyway, I have to go. 
20:26:46 <WinterStar> cheers and until another time
20:27:34 <as2333> WinterStar laters
21:24:55 <smathy[m]> The cost of underestimating the government is so high that it's folly not to err in the other direction.
21:28:00 <as2333> indeed
21:29:25 <great_taste> they seem incompetent because you believe they are trying to do the job you think they're supposed to do
21:31:04 <great_taste> I often see "analysts" trying to explain why the gov decided to do this or that and how it makes no sense etc... that's a typical mistake, to think that their actual goal is to do what you think they're supposed to do
21:55:29 <smathy[m]> Heh, yeah.  Not to mention numerical/scale bias (you could meet thousands of (incompetent) government workers and still not scratch the surface of most government workforces).