00:24:15 <L29Ah> parimutuel betting when?
03:44:07 <tulips[m]> anybody have a recommendation for android emulators
03:44:07 <tulips[m]> i want to install telegram and use an android emulator instead of my phone to make the account
03:45:08 <fmda1[m]> Bluestacks works well
03:46:00 <tulips[m]> fmda1[m]: theres no install for linux
05:06:11 <normie63[m]> why do you guys think .gov allows monero to continue and not make it go the way of tornado cash?  what is so robust about monero?
05:18:51 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> utility & throughput
05:30:35 <normie63[m]> cant they just round up the devs if they want?
05:33:32 <exist[m]> many are anonymous
05:33:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Free software
05:34:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> N a lot, maybe most are far from anonymous 
05:34:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did you think they'd make a cbdc by themself? They need us, for now
05:35:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> And comparing to tornadocash is apples to horses 
05:35:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tornado cash is a money laundering service, monero is money
05:35:41 <normie63[m]> interesting, i agree and I think that explains BTC development.  
05:36:18 <normie63[m]> Ive long since thought BTC blockchain is the beta test for cbdc
05:36:24 <normie63[m]> its an open ledger for Fs sake
05:38:24 <normie63[m]> agreed, seems to me that if/when monero hits mainstream adoption, it will be considered counterfit and/or tax avoidance to scare users away and penalize.  
05:39:04 <normie63[m]> not fud, just my obeservation as an advocate
05:40:30 <normie63[m]> They do indeed need you for now.  What happens when they no longer need you?  classic case of entrapment perhaps
05:41:25 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ones a service and one is cash
05:41:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also, they will attack when there are biggwr fish to fry
05:42:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why attack a coin worth 0.5% of USA military budget
05:43:53 <normie63[m]> perhaps because the encryption is persumably unbreakable, untraceable.  
05:44:59 <normie63[m]> they dont like encryption as we've seen
05:45:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nothing to do with encryption 
05:45:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> also found out on monerotalk that tornadocash is a client of coinbase
05:45:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> They could ddos development with a few bots
05:45:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont show your hand early, you crush them when they think they've won 
05:46:35 <normie63[m]> you mean bug the code?
05:46:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why go on a war against crypto when they can just come for the survivors after the war?
05:47:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, I mean a 700b yearly military budget means less than 1% of it can hire 100x our developer codebase and buy all of the monero on every exchange 
05:49:07 <normie63[m]> yeah perhaps they can utilize such a privacy coin for laundering to ukraine etc
05:49:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the government release a cdbc tomorrow, and it was an exact copy of monero, difference being that it it not mined / it is centralized.
05:49:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you think regular people would use monero?
05:49:51 <cockliuser[m]> Use the reply function not the thread one 😅
05:50:49 <normie63[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> If the government release a cdbc tomorrow, and it was an exact copy of monero, difference being that it it not mined / it is centralized.
05:50:50 <normie63[m]> > 
05:50:50 <normie63[m]> > Do you think regular people would use monero?
05:50:50 <normie63[m]> yes, normies would use whatever theyre told to use
05:50:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Theyd use whatever they get from their employer and can spend at the store.
05:50:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why attack monero, when we can wrote all of govs code for them, then just fade into obscurity ?
05:51:37 <normie63[m]> monero wont be used as cbdc , its not programmable
05:52:50 <cockliuser[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Theyd use whatever they get from their employer and can spend at the store.
05:52:50 <cockliuser[m]> > 
05:52:50 <cockliuser[m]> > Why attack monero, when we can wrote all of govs code for them, then just fade into obscurity ?
05:52:50 <cockliuser[m]> Why would the government make a private CBDC though? Kind of destroys the whole point of making a CBDC
05:53:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because fiat is private?
05:53:39 <cockliuser[m]> Cash is still traceable, and it's hard to move large amounts around 
05:53:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> People use Bitcoin so much they forgot that traditional finance is private 
05:53:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Centralized, but private 
05:54:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Government Monero, of course banks and government would hold full copy of your keys
05:55:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> But people transitions from visa to government monero, dont see any drawbacks 
05:55:07 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: But why Monero then, why not something like Nano
05:55:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> We here in this room made a choice 
05:56:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> The government doesnt need shitcoins
05:56:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> They need a replacement for traditional finance 
05:56:47 <normie63[m]> i read someplace that gov may use XRP/Ripple
05:56:48 <normie63[m]> for cbdc
05:57:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Our goal is the same as theirs, only ours is already distributed 
05:57:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aka governments like USA would never adopt monero if the supply wasnt already owned by them
05:57:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> normie63[m]: Dont male me laugh
05:57:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats just fud to get dummies to focus on shitcoins
05:57:54 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah but the main point of Monero is privacy and it wouldn't make sense for the government to use a private currency while keeping custody of keys instead of just opting for a public ledger
05:58:01 <normie63[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: seriously, XRP is being held up in SEC to keep the plebs from buying in
05:58:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> How do you figure?
05:58:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Public ledgers arent money
05:58:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> A public ledger cbdc isnt money either 
05:58:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its a damn joke 
05:58:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> The cdbc WILL be private 
05:58:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> At least, private between parties 
05:59:49 <cockliuser[m]> A public ledger in custody of the government would be private
05:59:49 <normie63[m]> fedcoin design docs are out there, should give some indication of intention
05:59:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero gets banned because it is a real competitor to their future reserve
05:59:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> normie63[m]: Yea
06:00:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> They quote Monero devs lol
06:00:06 <cockliuser[m]> Arguably, Banks are public ledgers though and they're private between parties 
06:00:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Imagine using Bitcoin mainnet with your bank
06:00:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah right 
06:01:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> put cbdc nft in the block
06:01:48 <normie63[m]> the nft will be your digital id
06:02:10 <normie63[m]> value will be based on your social credit score
06:02:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mine is 0
06:02:19 <normie63[m]> sounds plausible
06:02:20 <normie63[m]> no?
06:03:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Social credit score, that is. Theyll need to figure out what to do with me
06:03:09 <normie63[m]> off to the gulags
06:03:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably make me their leader, if they know whats good for them 👑
06:03:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ofrnxmr[m]: re-education
06:03:48 <normie63[m]> squid games
06:03:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: They'll come out as my new alts
06:04:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> tbh hope its "deathrace"
06:07:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is that a foot race?
06:08:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=C8bxcJZrus0
06:15:16 <idkrn[m]> Why didn't you link the original one
06:15:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> that is the og movie
06:17:06 <idkrn[m]> 🤨
08:29:58 <WinterStar> I have a multipart question concerning Monero:
08:30:37 <WinterStar> For a currency to be useful, it needs not only to be generally accepted as a currency, but also obtainable (e.g. by normies)
08:31:23 <WinterStar> I presume we probably all agree that the proper method of obtaining and maintaining a privacy centric cryptocurrency is through mining, not purchase from a third party
08:32:23 <WinterStar> However, will the mining difficulty in and of itself not stand in the way of broad availability of in this case Monero, and therefore ultimately also its acceptance?
08:36:39 <sech1> Difficulty is self-balancing. If it gets too hard to mine, some miners will stop and difficulty will reduce.
08:37:08 <sech1> So as long as you have an efficient hardware (Ryzen 3000/5000/7000) and low or no electricity costs, you're fine.
12:00:59 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> i don't think most people agree with this. not everyone can earn their entire living through mining because that would mine the currency would have to be inflationary.  
12:00:59 <bridgerton[m]> the primary means of obtaining is through labor.  the same way most people earn money today. people need to seek jobs and/or businesses that provide XMR
13:12:31 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> "proper method of obtaining and maintaining a privacy centric cryptocurrency"
13:12:31 <bridgerton[m]> the primary goal is to become the primary currency. there's no need to buy with fiat at that point.
13:15:38 <monerobull[m]> if anyone has the balls to use morphswap and has a bunch of btc lying around, i dare you to arb it
13:15:41 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (14KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/EQuOutYwkNxQZGhvihHwyFwj/grafik.png >
13:16:00 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> the question said nothing about "currently".  it asked for the proper way.
13:22:24 <cockliuser[m]> Buying Monero through a peer is akin to using a currency exchange, I'd argue it is proper
13:25:18 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> that method depends on fiat remaining the more commonly used currency. that goal is to destroy fiat.
13:25:19 <bridgerton[m]> s/that/the/
13:31:41 <cockliuser[m]> Correct me if I'm wrong, by buying Monero, you're creating selling pressure for fiat, essentially contributing to the destruction of fiat
13:31:55 <cockliuser[m]> * I'm wrong, but by buying
13:59:38 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> not wrong, but it's not sustainable if fiat dies, which is the entire point.
13:59:38 <bridgerton[m]> by not using fiat at all, it also dies. and it's sustainable.
16:22:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "Correct me if I'm wrong, by..." <- Wrong 
16:22:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fiat is printed to soften thecsellinf pressure 
17:37:10 <cockliuser[m]> But printing fiat decreases its value though, so I don't see how selling pressure would be softened 
17:37:48 <nioc> thecsellinf
17:39:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Softened, not eliminated 
17:41:54 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> But in softening that selling pressure they're also causing fiat to lose value by increasing its supply
17:49:22 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> it can't be
17:57:36 <cockliuser[m]> Ahahaha discord replies don't show up in Matrix either
17:57:41 <cockliuser[m]> Tit for tat
19:04:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Why use it. Privacy nightmare
19:32:20 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Some people do, and if you're using the web client it's not that different from a matrix room since all messages are public anyway
19:39:55 <apotheon> DanIsnotthemanBr: Do you mean Discord?
20:01:13 <MaddieKalan> Can I delete the last 10 blocks of my monerod or something and make it redownload those? Aparently every peer has been banned and I'm 1 block ahead??
20:15:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> pop_blocks 10
20:16:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> --add-priority-node=node.supportxmr.com:18080 --add-priority-node=nodes.hashvault.pro:18080 --enable-dns-blocklist
20:16:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> These flags should help get good peers 
20:18:02 <plowsof11> good peer have smiley face sir https://github.com/plowsof/check-monero-seed-nodes
20:18:37 <plowsof11> is supportxmr online?
20:19:04 <selsta> MaddieKalan: could be a corrupted blockchain
20:19:18 <selsta> where do you store the blockchain? which OS are you using?
20:20:10 <MaddieKalan> HDD (I want to get a big SSD in the future) and artix linux
20:24:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "is supportxmr online?" <- Stolen from p2pool setup guide 👀
20:34:46 <MaddieKalan> Transaction spends at least one output which is too young
20:36:45 <selsta> does it properly sync up again afert pop_blocks ?
20:36:49 <selsta> and are you using an external hdd?
20:37:41 <MaddieKalan> I ran pop_blocks again and I get a lot of those too young messages, yes the hdd is external.
20:38:07 <selsta> did you unplug it during sync / use?
20:52:29 <selsta> your node starting to ban all peers sounds like corrupted blockchain
20:55:55 <Rucknium[m]> Or old software version
20:59:36 <MaddieKalan> Ohhh, not that kinda of extrernal hdd, its internal, sorry im dumb and tiered, i should go to sleep
21:05:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> First
21:05:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> does the node work now