00:51:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Craig wright channel ;)
01:12:21 <as2333> the true secret author of bitcoin
06:59:21 <Inge> yes, pure genius https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1625386592457064450
07:27:29 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> He's... Right though, ringCT is sort of like a mixing service just with a different approach. I think what he means ultimately is that Monero as a concept can never be compliant with law enforcement, since they'll just see all these ring signatures as one big mixer.
07:34:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ringct is not a sort of mixer 
07:35:46 <sech1> it's NOT a mixer
07:35:47 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> "no no your honor, we weren't mixing funds, we were mixing signatures" 
07:35:47 <bridgerton[m]> Straight to jail.
07:36:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> So
07:36:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> "He's.... wrong" FIFY
07:43:05 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> Technically yes, he's wrong, legally; your lawful transaction could be helping someone cover up their unlawful transaction, which is aiding and abetting.
08:08:42 <sech1> by this logic, you simply going out to the street will help someone "hide in the crowd" while running away from the police
08:08:45 <sech1> bullshit
08:09:07 <sech1> *could be helping someone
08:14:08 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> I've never seen this happen anywhere outside a video game, if police are chasing someone and you choose not to help you *can* be persecuted.
08:14:57 <sech1> that's not my responsibility to do police work for them
08:15:02 <sech1> I could get hurt or worse
08:15:05 <sech1> so nope
08:15:32 <sech1> You can only be persecuted if police _orders_ you to do something to help and you don't
08:15:50 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> I don't write the laws, if the cops feel that your refusal to help allowed the criminal to get away they can persecute you.
08:16:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> In what country 😭😭😭
08:16:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Round here, we tell cops to kick rocks 
08:16:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> And they kick rocks 
08:16:38 <sech1> exactly, "refusal" implies that police asks (orders) you for something first
08:17:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not obligated to say or do or remember seeing a god damn thing
08:17:45 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusing_to_assist_a_police_officer
08:17:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Are you ofrnxmr?"
08:17:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Dontasktoask.com bye"
08:18:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> bridgerton[m]: I do it regularly 
08:19:10 <sech1> anyway, that wiki article is about police telling you to do something and you refusing
08:19:23 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> These excuses won't hold up when millions of dollars are involved.
08:19:32 <sech1> just going to the street and "making a crowd" for criminals to hide in is not a criminal offense
08:19:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Good luck enforcing that in the south 😂😂
08:21:24 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> Let's use that analogy more broadly, the "crowd" is Monero, the police can do certain things to disperse that crowd, like banning it from exchanges, app stores, making it illegal to hold. 
08:21:24 <bridgerton[m]> Crowds can be dispersed if they interfere with law enforcement.
08:21:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Send me the fine 😂. Ill go to court and defend myself too
08:21:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Scammer no scamming 
08:22:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or the crowd just parties and the police punch air 
08:23:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Picture this: ofrnxmr running from a bunch of worker ants 🤣
08:23:44 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> And then the market cap goes to zero as only 19 ghost bros hold or use the coin.
08:24:06 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> Kek
08:29:27 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> Also you know P2P traders can get catfished by glowies, right? Don't assume you'll be safe if you just use P2P.
08:31:44 <sech1> where I'm from, police can't just buy illegal stuff and arrest the seller
08:32:00 <sech1> because it's "provoking a crime" and is illegal itself
08:34:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Entrapment 
08:36:15 <bridgerton[m]> <GenericMage> Well, where I'm from they can. Common law is a Bitch.
09:20:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Outlaws are a bitch too
09:29:21 <Guest7020> Hey
09:30:31 <Guest7020> If CRYPTONOTE_MINED_MONEY_UNLOCK_WINDOW goes to zero what will happen on new chain
09:35:03 <sech1> lots of invalid transactions will happen after each reorg, that's what will happen
09:59:12 <Guest7020> if i give a price of 30  invalid transaction is possible?
10:00:41 <moneromooo> Always is. The probability just goes down hard with increasing values.
10:01:51 <moneromooo> But setting this define to 0 shouldn't cause many invalid txes, just the ones spending those miner outs (or using them as fake outs) shortly after they're mined.
10:02:22 <moneromooo> Oh wait, actually on a new chain most outputs will be coinbases... So sech1 is right :D
10:03:52 <Guest7020> so for DIFFICULTY_TARGET = 1minute i must double and not decrease that
10:04:48 <moneromooo> You can increase it, decrease it, or leave it as is... It just controls how fast blocks will be found on average.
10:05:21 <moneromooo> Decreasing will require some other code changes though, since some code assumes multiple of 60 seconds.
10:05:51 <Guest7020> yes
10:09:26 <Guest7020> when bulletproof++ will be added
10:10:33 <moneromooo> Soon after the code is done, tested, reviewed, and deemed worth it.
10:10:49 <Guest7020> 3months++
12:10:31 <Guest7020> will CRYPTONOTE_DEFAULT_TX_SPENDABLE_AGE == 5 create problems on reorgs
12:36:33 <sech1> It will obviously create problem on reorgs of depth > 5
15:31:46 <Inge> .usd
15:31:46 <Wallet> Inge: DURR.. 1 USD = 1 USD genious! [sic]
15:31:54 <Inge> .krak
15:32:21 <Inge> grumble. messed up layout :D
19:48:54 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Who is https://twitter.com/thankful_42day?
19:49:00 <bridgerton[m]> * is https://twitter.com/thankful_42day ?
19:59:30 <plowsof11> appears to be a monero enjoyer / level 10 memer 
20:06:12 <cockliuser[m]> The Guy Fawkes mask too 💀
20:08:57 <cockliuser[m]> brb going to ask him to sign a message with tft's pubkey :P
20:14:02 <cockliuser[m]> Holy ducking duck I found the real Nicholas Van Saberhagen  too 
20:14:08 <cockliuser[m]> https://twitter.com/Mk1btc
20:14:16 <cockliuser[m]> Blue checkmark, must be real
20:54:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also
20:54:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Craig wright is satoshi 
20:59:56 <apotheon> Is that his price tag?
21:26:12 <great_taste> is satoshi ashamed of what bitcoin has become?
21:33:27 <CopenhagenBram[m> <great_taste> "is satoshi ashamed of what..." <- Nobody knows, and it doesn't matter because Satoshi is pseudonymous, hasn't been active in a long time, is not a prophet like Jesus or Mohammad, and his word shouldn't be religiously worshipped like people do with the Bible, the Quran, or the United States Constitution.
21:33:35 <BusyBoredom[m]> Satoshi's rolling in his grave. 
21:34:58 * moneromooo amused by the implication the Bible or the Quran should be religiously worshipped
21:35:10 <CopenhagenBram[m> Not to imply that the way people treat the word of Jesus, Mohammad, the Bible, the Quran, or the Constitution is any less irrational in my opinion
21:36:35 <CopenhagenBram[m> > * <@moneromooo:libera.chat> amused by the implication the Bible or the Quran should be religiously worshipped
21:36:35 <CopenhagenBram[m> How do I unimply something?
21:36:46 <moneromooo> You just did.
21:37:46 <CopenhagenBram[m> People do religiously worship it, believe that these books are inerrant, etc. I think it's funny that we have people feeling like that about the word of Satoshi Nakamoto too lmao
21:39:24 <CopenhagenBram[m> Anyways, I came here to ask if there's a way to mine Monero in a nicer, more background sort of way: mine in the background for the mere sake of making Monero a little more secure and decentralized, in a way that plays nice with the other process running on my computer that is absolutely not a full blown mining rig, and not consume its entire resources and crash everything?
21:39:42 <moneromooo> Are you aware of background mining in monerod ?
21:39:56 <moneromooo> If not, then background mining in monerod.
21:40:20 <CopenhagenBram[m> Ah, I'd have to set up a full node for that.  
21:40:40 <moneromooo> Works with pruned.
21:40:45 <CopenhagenBram[m> I suppose I could consider trying to clear up my hard drive so I have space to do it.
21:46:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> If running windows, you can also run xmrig in background mode / pause when active 
21:59:01 <plowsof11> so you're saying i still have to read a manual to figure out how 
21:59:07 <plowsof11> pfff
22:03:51 <plowsof11> (i cant even joke because the cli asks you if you want to enable it when creating a new wallet, nice feature) 
22:11:20 <cockliuser[m]> <CopenhagenBram[m> "People do religiously worship it..." <- How dare people religious worship... a religion? 
22:12:24 <cockliuser[m]> * How dare people religiously worship... a religion? 
22:31:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Religion = to worship without question 
22:33:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Religious = worship without question 
22:33:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Religiously = worshipping without question 
22:33:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Religion = worshipped without question 
22:48:02 <as2333> CopenhagenBram[m at least it makes more sense to believe in satoshi than in 'jesus' 
22:50:02 <moneromooo> I heard the renowned Roman centurion Criggus Wrigtus was Jesus.
22:53:38 <as2333> hehe