08:11:24 <tom-1> Hi all. Can you please tell me how long ago this option was available? I do not remember that at the stage of negotiations I had to give my address.
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08:11:58 <tom-1> https://localmonero.co
08:20:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please hold. Someone will be with your shortly.
08:20:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> *hold music*
14:08:20 <nell2[m]> <tom-1> "Hi all. Can you please tell me..." <- in recent months its always been like this
14:11:25 <Guest6899> hello
14:12:40 <Torr> Guest6899: Hey
14:12:45 <Guest6899> if you want to send with one tx monero to 100+ people there is error like "failed to find a suitable way to split transactions"   because of very big tx
14:13:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> What wallet do you use 
14:13:45 <Guest6899> is a solution to compile your own monero and change BULLETPROOF_MAX_OUTPUTS  on config
14:13:53 <Guest6899> monero wallet
14:14:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> No shit
14:14:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I thought maybe you use use bitcoin wallet
14:14:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> facepalm
14:15:01 <Rucknium[m]> Guest6899: IIRC it is impossible to send a Monero transaction with more than 16 outputs. Enforced by blockchain consensus rules. You can't get around the limit by recompiling wallets
14:15:31 <plowsof11> i definitely need a few days break 
14:16:03 <Guest6899> so we need to wait seraphis
14:17:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was thinking if you try to using gui or cli, it will split into multiple tx (?). Never tried though
14:17:18 <Rucknium[m]> I don't think Seraphis will affect the limit. It is probably there to reduce transaction diversity and to limit easy flooding/black marble attacks. 
14:17:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ruck is probably right. Ofrnxmr didnt RTFM
14:19:10 <Rucknium[m]> An exception to the 16 outputs rule is coinbase transactions. So you could find a block and send more than 16 outputs in the coinbase tx.
14:19:30 <Guest6899> how?
14:20:18 <Rucknium[m]> Mine. And then you would be sending about 0.6 XMR in total
14:22:15 <Guest6899> i have wallet mining but how to do this,really i dont understand
14:22:44 <plowsof11> what is your question?
14:22:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> You send 1tx to 16 people 
14:22:55 <Rucknium[m]> Guest6899: The more realistic answer is that you cannot
14:23:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then you did that 5.25 more times
14:23:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/did/do/
14:23:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sir. Do you accept my answer?
14:23:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> How many days off do you need, plowsof?
14:23:55 <Rucknium[m]> Follow ofrnxmr 's instructions. There is a 10 block lock on new outputs. You can sort of avoid that by pre-splitting outputs
14:25:22 <Guest6899> the problem here is that i want to send more than 0.6 !
14:25:47 <plowsof11> the amount is irrelevant 😭
14:26:02 <Rucknium[m]> If you follow ofrnxmr 's instructions, you can send as much as you want
14:26:41 <Rucknium[m]> You were confused by the exception that isn't really useful to you
14:59:31 <Alex|LocalMonero> <tom-1> "Hi all. Can you please tell me..." <- Over a year at this point.
15:09:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> tom:  sorry for the long wait. Hope this clears everything up! Have a nice day!
16:28:22 <Torr> Alex|LocalMonero: Thumbs up for the AMA. A great opportunity for Agoradesk to gain traction given the recent Localbitcoins shutdown.
17:00:46 <binaryFate> twitter down for everyone or what
17:17:00 <ajs_[m]> seems to working at my end
17:17:33 <RavFX[m]> Working here too
17:18:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Up here
17:18:46 <plowsof11> did faketoshi get you banned for spreading lies?
17:20:26 <great_taste> lies are fine, the truth actually bothers
17:33:52 <nioc> :D
17:36:25 <DeanGuss> When I start monero up i see this message:
17:36:27 <DeanGuss> New log categories: *:WARNING,net:FATAL,net.http:FATAL,net.ssl:FATAL,net.p2p:FATAL,net.cn:FATAL,daemon.rpc:FATAL,global:INFO,verify:FATAL,serialization:FATAL,daemon.rpc.payment:ERROR,stacktrace:INFO,logging:INFO,msgwriter:INFO,blockchain:INFO
17:36:56 <DeanGuss> in my monero.conf I have log-level=0,blockchain:INFO
17:37:33 <DeanGuss> Given to me by somone, I forgot who here a long while back, and it seems to spit out exactly what I want.  Is that format deprecated or? 
17:37:34 <plowsof11> what version?
17:37:56 <DeanGuss> v0.18.1.2
17:39:05 <plowsof11> im not sure myself (never messed with log levels) hopefully someone else knows or ask in #monero-dev:monero.social 
17:40:01 <moneromooo> That line is output before your settings take effect.
17:41:13 <moneromooo> It's also useful to know how the logger is configured when reading logs, so it's defaulting to enabled.
17:41:15 <DeanGuss> I think so, it's the very first output in the log when I start the service
17:41:45 <moneromooo> If it really bothers you, just remove it and recompile.
17:42:27 <DeanGuss> It doesn't bother me... and things seem fine.  I'm just hoping the log-level I'm setting is the proper way to do it
17:42:39 <moneromooo> It is a correct setting.
17:42:51 <DeanGuss> ok thank you m0000
18:16:55 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> im gonna cum now dont @ me
18:33:36 <GorillaQuest[m]> @bridgerton
20:59:06 <OOtter> hello. My laptop doesn't have enough storage to have a local node, so I have to use a remote one. Which one should I pick? I'm not sure which is safest
21:02:02 <moneromooo> The one from the person you're sure will not spy on you or otherwise trick you.
21:02:48 <OOtter> But what if I don't know anybody?
21:03:24 <moneromooo> Either buy a larger disk or, if you did not know about it, use a pruned node.
21:03:43 <moneromooo> IIRC a pruned node needs like 50 GB for the chain, vs 150 GB, very roughly.
21:04:23 <xfedex[m]> A pruned node takes 69,8 GB at the moment
21:04:32 <moneromooo> Just know that there *are* assholes around who run nodes that do screw with people.
21:04:42 <moneromooo> Ouch. Thanks.
21:06:01 <xfedex[m]> usually onion monero nodes are less likely to try scamming people
21:06:02 <xfedex[m]> https://monero.fail/?chain=monero&network=mainnet&onion=on
21:06:30 <xfedex[m]> otherwise, hashvault.pro nodes are pretty reliable
21:07:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> 55gb
21:07:20 <moneromooo> ofrnxmr[m] prunes harder.
21:07:58 <rbrunner> I guess the Rino people won't screw you either: https://community.rino.io/nodes.html
21:08:14 <rbrunner> (Never tried myself however)
21:08:30 <moneromooo> Oh yes, I think that's someone I would trust if I had to trust someone.
21:08:41 <moneromooo> But I'd still try not to have to :)
21:08:44 <tom-1> nell2: thanks for the reply, I'll check with them in the chat why such changes are needed
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21:09:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, that is indeed step 4
21:17:40 <OOtter> moneromooo can I use an external hard drive for the node?
21:18:29 <moneromooo> Yes, just make sure it's fast enough. 
21:19:42 <moneromooo> SSD is highly recommended. Spinning ones are very bad at random I/O, which monero does a lot of.
22:04:22 <OOtter> thanks moneromooo 
22:51:13 <thatsinewave[m]> Hello, how can I buy Monero with classic money? I couldn't find any info besides going to some exchange site and praying that I won't get ignored or scammed.
22:51:13 <thatsinewave[m]> Or, possibly, is it saner by using another cryptocurrency as a middle man?
22:54:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey. Are you trying to buy monero, and are ok with being ID'd to do so?
22:54:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or would you prefer a peer-to-peer exchange?
22:56:18 <thatsinewave[m]> Being deanonymized is unavoidable as online payment with non-cryptocurrency is inherently tied to my real identity. I hope that I can anonymize further transactions, such that the only thing tied to my real identity is that I bought monero and how much.
22:56:56 <thatsinewave[m]> s/./ (which is why I chose Monero)/
22:57:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you are ok with the ID (kyc) process, Kraken is a good option for USD/XMR
22:57:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance also has xmr, but I dont recommend binance 
22:58:01 <thatsinewave[m]> I have tried an exchange site I found recommended, but I just got ignored by the seller, and the overall thing seemed pretty shady
22:58:12 <thatsinewave[m]> The best would be using a standard online payment system (paypal or credit card)
22:58:20 <thatsinewave[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> If you are ok with the ID (kyc) process, Kraken is a good option for USD/XMR
22:58:20 <thatsinewave[m]> > 
22:58:20 <thatsinewave[m]> > Binance also has xmr, but I dont recommend binance
22:58:20 <thatsinewave[m]> I'll check out Kraken
22:59:02 <thatsinewave[m]> By Know Your Customer, do they demand further details than just paypal / credit card?
22:59:21 <thatsinewave[m]> As both are tied to a real identity
22:59:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Government ID
22:59:45 <thatsinewave[m]> They want a picture of a government ID?
22:59:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep
22:59:55 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh
22:59:58 <thatsinewave[m]> Is there a saner method?
23:00:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Some want a video of you talking and turning your head 😅
23:00:17 <thatsinewave[m]> Christ
23:00:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: Its getting more and more insane every year
23:00:40 <thatsinewave[m]> Why tho, a credit card is essentially an ID except it's not insane to identify with...
23:00:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> The sanest, imo, find a friend.
23:00:58 <thatsinewave[m]> That would be quite hard
23:01:05 <thatsinewave[m]> I am a tech person, not a people person >_<
23:01:17 <thatsinewave[m]> Haven't found any friends yet, yet alone that have Monero
23:01:23 <thatsinewave[m]> * yet alone ones that have
23:02:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Krakens kyc process was detailed ok their website the last time I checked 
23:02:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shows who can sign up, what coins and limits. And the level of KYC needed
23:03:16 <thatsinewave[m]> Looking at the Kraken website, they mention no information about KYC
23:03:16 <thatsinewave[m]> Quite shady >_<
23:03:17 <thatsinewave[m]> * about KYC on their frontpage
23:03:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken is one of the only honest ones. Its likely 2 clicks away
23:04:25 <thatsinewave[m]> Hmm
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23:04:40 <thatsinewave[m]> Why do they want all of those if they just get them automatically by having my credit card...
23:04:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/categories/360000036266-Account-Security-Verification
23:05:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> So they can run a check on you before they ask for your credit card 
23:05:13 <BusyBoredom[m]> Because they're required by law to ask for it
23:05:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> The aml in KYC AML means anti money laundering.
23:05:49 <BusyBoredom[m]> Just getting it from a 3rd party doesn't satisfy the requirements, they need you to give it and then they check what you give against 3rd parties
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23:05:51 <thatsinewave[m]> BRUH
23:06:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> ?
23:06:26 <BusyBoredom[m]> Starter tier can't withdrwa crypto anyway, you'll need to verify to intermediate
23:06:37 <BusyBoredom[m]> Then you'll get respectable withdraw limits.
23:06:56 <thatsinewave[m]> What is "Highest limit"
23:07:43 <thatsinewave[m]> > Kraken offers our full services
23:07:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Express is useless 
23:07:47 <thatsinewave[m]> Uhuh, which number is that
23:07:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Express*
23:08:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: Intermediate 
23:08:39 <thatsinewave[m]> It's Pro, but I am asking how much money is it
23:08:42 <BusyBoredom[m]> Oh derp yeah you're right, starter can do crypto and express can do fiat.
23:09:33 <BusyBoredom[m]> thatsinewave: are you asking what pro costs or what the limits are?
23:09:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pro is 10m
23:09:46 <thatsinewave[m]> The limits
23:09:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Intermediate 500k
23:09:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Crypto
23:09:55 <thatsinewave[m]> Where do you find those numbers?
23:10:05 <thatsinewave[m]> s/do/did/
23:10:10 <BusyBoredom[m]> You can ask for higher limits on Pro too if 10m isn't enough.
23:10:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001449826
23:10:41 <thatsinewave[m]> Interesting
23:10:46 <thatsinewave[m]> Their other table says something else
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23:11:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are the same picture 
23:12:33 <thatsinewave[m]> Why does one say What the local laws say while the other says 10 million USD
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23:12:45 <thatsinewave[m]> :P
23:13:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> You know his a chart works, right 
23:14:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Starter low aka 5k
23:14:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Express none aka 0
23:14:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Intermediate high aka 500k
23:14:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> pro highest aka 10m
23:14:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are, the same, picture 
23:16:14 <thatsinewave[m]> Where did you find the information that Highest is 10M? One page says that the maximum cryptocurrency withdrawal is Highest, defined as as What the local laws say, while the other says that the maximum cryptocurrency withdrawal is 10M. This is conflicting information
23:16:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> > Your funding limits depend on many factors like your residency, verification level and the asset you're trying to deposit or withdraw.
23:16:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> RTFM
23:16:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Top to bottom plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  sir
23:16:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: You click that purple text that says "highest" and it takes you to a whole new world 
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23:18:06 <thatsinewave[m]> Hmm, seems like I missed the superscript 2 since the chart is a bit confusing
23:18:12 <thatsinewave[m]> * superscript 2 missing since the
23:19:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> You can also just chat with kraken support if you can't figure stuff out from the charts. They're way better at this than we are
23:19:40 <thatsinewave[m]> I see
23:19:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Speak for yourself! Im going for gold stars 
23:19:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Haha
23:20:01 <BusyBoredom[m]> Lol ok fair, you and plowsof are up there
23:20:52 <thatsinewave[m]> And here I thought that KYC was just Knowing Your Customer, no, it should be HYCS, Have Your Customer's Soul
23:20:56 <thatsinewave[m]> s/Knowing/Know/
23:21:01 <thatsinewave[m]> \>_<
23:21:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep
23:21:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Soon they will ask for noods
23:21:42 <thatsinewave[m]> You joke but I actually wouldn't be surprised
23:22:04 <thatsinewave[m]> I can def see eg. EU doing that
23:22:25 <thatsinewave[m]> The desire for anti-privacy is real
23:22:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not joking at all
23:22:34 <BusyBoredom[m]> The US is the worst offender by far
23:22:38 <thatsinewave[m]> Outlaw encryption, ban memes, mandate MITM!
23:22:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> I opened my bank account with nothing more than my name and phone number
23:22:49 <thatsinewave[m]> :O
23:23:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Crypto account, the same. A year later they asked for id. Then 6 months laher they asked me to link my bank account
23:23:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then they wanted a selfie video
23:23:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> MY BANK DOESNT EVEM HAVE THAT
23:23:36 <thatsinewave[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Don't they have security cameras
23:23:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> not kraken btw
23:24:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Off banks have cameras
23:24:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/Off/Ofc/
23:24:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: The video theybwanted,  was "look straight into camera, turn head left and hold, turn head right and hold, say "my name if ofrnxmr 123556789""
23:24:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like they need to clonegpt me or something
23:24:49 <thatsinewave[m]> HAhahahaha
23:24:53 <BusyBoredom[m]> Kinda highlights how nice monero is at least. You can get KYCd into oblivion, withdraw, pay your pornhub subscription and nobody is the wiser.
23:25:14 <thatsinewave[m]> I am pretty sure this is exactly what you use for training a model
23:25:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep.
23:25:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> They froze my account (no xmr exchange) to ask why I buy btc and withdraw immedately and where I store it
23:25:55 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: I'll pay my pornhub subscription in plain money, I just want something sane to buy tram tickets with in case they ever decide to support it
23:26:01 <thatsinewave[m]> s/tram/bus/
23:26:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> I told them i swap into monero, because they are too Sissy to carry it. The end
23:26:22 <thatsinewave[m]> They only support credit card and premium SMS
23:26:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: Cakepay 
23:26:37 <thatsinewave[m]> thatsinewave[m]: They *used* to support cash
23:26:54 <thatsinewave[m]> Not anymore
23:26:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think monero.com might let you buy using fiat. I dont know the level of kyc required though sgp: 
23:26:57 <thatsinewave[m]> And it's only here! The rest of the country has no issues
23:27:31 <thatsinewave[m]> Also, what's the HYCS for buying Monero with other cryptocurrency?
23:27:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0
23:27:49 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh?
23:28:07 <thatsinewave[m]> So if I manage to obtain bitcoin, I can use it to buy monero in a sane way?
23:28:24 <sgp[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Buying from fiat requires KYC
23:28:48 <thatsinewave[m]> Also, how secure is the anonymous payment? I heard that you need to transfer it between 4 addresses before it is reasonably secure to buy stuff
23:29:01 <thatsinewave[m]> * anonymous payment in Monero? I
23:29:19 <thatsinewave[m]> s/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrencies/
23:29:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can use trocador.app to swap whatevercoin into monero with absolutely no account or anythibg
23:29:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can create an account at tradeogre (recommended) for manual trades
23:29:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kucoin also supports no kyc trading, but dont tell them you are in USA and dont try to kyc 
23:29:25 <BusyBoredom[m]> What do you consider reasonable secure? 
23:29:26 <icarolongo[m]> thatsinewave[m]: Buy with cash at localmonero.co
23:30:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: If receiving from people and sending to people, you are more than reasonably secure
23:30:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you are sending to and from exchanges, you are far less secure 
23:30:32 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Cannot be bruteforced by the world's computing power in 100 years within 100 years
23:30:49 <thatsinewave[m]> * the world's evolving computing power
23:31:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero is not quantum resistant yet 
23:31:06 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh
23:31:20 <thatsinewave[m]> Is there work being done on that?
23:31:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Technically, nothing really is.
23:32:00 <BusyBoredom[m]> If brute forcing is your concern, then it's instantly perfectly (as near as can be) secure against classical computers though. 
23:32:10 <thatsinewave[m]> I read that there's already quantum proof asymmetric cryptos
23:32:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, there is work done to mitigate, but "will it work" isnt something anyone can anticipate. A lot more work to be done.
23:32:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> If there is a quantum attack, theybarent going to attack monero first 
23:32:27 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Oh? EVen just one transaction?
23:32:28 <BusyBoredom[m]> Your biggest realistic threat isn't brute forcing though, it's EABE attacks.
23:32:28 <thatsinewave[m]> s/EVen/Even/
23:32:39 <thatsinewave[m]> EABE?
23:33:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: If busy sends me money, and I send it to you, you dont know where it came from, and neither do i
23:33:18 <thatsinewave[m]> s/cryptos/cyphers/
23:33:19 <thatsinewave[m]> s/cryptos/ciphers/
23:33:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is a series in YouTube called breakingmonero 
23:33:53 <thatsinewave[m]> I read that a single transaction is bruteforcable at a given chance
23:34:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Poisoned outputs is the episode you are looking for
23:34:21 <thatsinewave[m]> I'll take a look at it
23:34:33 <thatsinewave[m]> Is it about checking which address a transaction came from?
23:34:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Watch the episode before saying any more silly stuff
23:34:55 <BusyBoredom[m]> EABE attacks are a statistical attack where:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2c04da65a799f074a39d166b0010a23167c02518>)
23:35:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sorry busy. Made you write all of thatv😅
23:35:30 <BusyBoredom[m]> It's OK, I'm bored lol
23:35:43 <thatsinewave[m]> > <@busyboredom:monero.social> EABE attacks are a statistical attack where:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/edf822470970a9be9c04e747277d3118b6bfc0b0>)
23:35:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Shutup ofrnxmr. Im almost done. They better not leave to go watch YouTube before i send this!"
23:36:17 <thatsinewave[m]> And the attack I read about where you can bruteforce a transaction with a success rate is
23:36:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> No more, please, ears bleeding
23:36:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Watch episode, watch them all
23:36:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then come back a genius
23:36:56 <BusyBoredom[m]> It is not a brute force. It has nothing to do with brute forcing.
23:37:03 <thatsinewave[m]> That one, yea
23:37:09 <thatsinewave[m]> But I did read about a bruteforce attack
23:37:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok enough 
23:37:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you want to read instead, I can send the link to the transcript  
23:37:46 <BusyBoredom[m]> There is no brute force attack, the person who told you that was mistaken. 
23:38:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> I get it. You read some nonsense. Blabla km gotxha
23:38:06 <thatsinewave[m]> I read it on some official page, can't remember where tho
23:38:09 <evalda[m]> > <@busyboredom:monero.social> EABE attacks are a statistical attack where:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/bc0c15cfbf45367ef068338cc2ed3e1e7030423a>)
23:38:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> W a t c h v I d e o
23:38:40 <thatsinewave[m]> https://invidious.silur.me/playlist?list=PLsSYUeVwrHBnAUre2G_LYDsdo-tD0ov-y this the right series?
23:38:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> facepalm
23:38:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hold on
23:38:44 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yes, it does help mitigate it. But tbh ofrnxmr is right yall should just watch the video
23:38:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats the one
23:39:26 <thatsinewave[m]> Well, it is a different attack. Are you confident that there is no currently known bruteforce attack besides poisoned outputs?
23:39:32 <thatsinewave[m]> s/bruteforce//
23:39:34 <evalda[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Thank you! 🌷 And yes I will watch it
23:39:43 <thatsinewave[m]> I will go watch it as well since it seems interesting
23:39:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you see 1 video or many 
23:40:04 <thatsinewave[m]> I just hope that it's not gonna be a slideshow with a tired voiceover with loud background noise
23:40:08 <thatsinewave[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Many
23:40:12 <BusyBoredom[m]> thatsinewave: there are many other attacks besides poisoned outputs, they're just not as bad IMO. 
23:40:20 <BusyBoredom[m]> Each video is a different attack
23:40:29 <thatsinewave[m]> Hmm, I see
23:40:35 <thatsinewave[m]> Is it a comprehensive enough list
23:40:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> thatsinewave[m]: Well then wth r u talking about "its not the nonsense i imagined"
23:41:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> How do you know until you watch lol
23:41:03 <BusyBoredom[m]> Comprehensive enough, yes.
23:41:33 <thatsinewave[m]> Also, if I remember correctly the bruteforce attack I mentioned was described in some research paper
23:41:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nice
23:42:08 <BusyBoredom[m]> I guarantee you it was mistaken. There is no known brute force attack against monero with classical computers.
23:42:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> I read it on the official website research paper too
23:42:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> From monero ceo
23:42:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> His name was Dr Craig wright 
23:42:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Something about monero being a mixer 
23:43:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Always remember kids, if it was on the internet, its DEFINITELY true
23:43:24 <BusyBoredom[m]> It's true, monero is just a smart contract on Solana 
23:43:40 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: I see, alright
23:43:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Thats why our network goes down so much :(
23:44:21 <thatsinewave[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I am not stupid, it was official looking enough for me to trust it (and half my job is just looking stuff up on the internet)
23:44:28 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yeah, it's from core swapping out the mysql database the privacy runs on.
23:44:37 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: AHahahAha
23:44:42 <BusyBoredom[m]> You're good man, we're just riffing now
23:44:51 <thatsinewave[m]> :P
23:44:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sir, SIR
23:45:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> The only thing official in monero is the coins in your wallet 
23:45:40 <thatsinewave[m]> :O
23:45:56 <BusyBoredom[m]> MoneroV disagrees
23:45:58 <thatsinewave[m]> Is that a jitsi cal
23:45:59 <thatsinewave[m]> s/cal/call/
23:46:05 <thatsinewave[m]> It looks a lot like Jitsi
23:46:12 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh, I missed the watermark
23:46:13 <thatsinewave[m]> It's literally jitsio
23:46:13 <thatsinewave[m]> s/jitsio/jitsi/
23:46:22 <thatsinewave[m]> s/Jitsi/jitsi/
23:46:23 <thatsinewave[m]> HaHah
23:46:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please dont edit
23:46:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spams irc
23:46:55 <thatsinewave[m]> I mean
23:47:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Matrix is bridged to irc
23:47:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Editing messages duplicates them on irc
23:47:47 <thatsinewave[m]> <del>Your fault for using IRC /s</del>
23:48:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I guess I should say, the irc rooms are bridged to matrix
23:48:40 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> i cumt in my sister
23:48:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull: 
23:49:02 * thatsinewave[m] still has memories from that time she spent 5 hours trying to figure out how tf to figure out when can I invoke a JOIN after receiving a PONG, she solved it just by adding a sleep()
23:49:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im in favor of removing the discord bridge 
23:49:22 * thatsinewave[m]  * still has memories from that time she spent 5 hours trying to figure out how tf to figure out when can she invoke a JOIN after receiving a PONG, she solved it just by adding a sleep()
23:49:29 * thatsinewave[m]  * still has memories from that time she spent 5 hours trying to figure out how tf to figure out when can she invoke a JOIN after receiving a PONG, she solved it just by adding a sleep() since it's not standardized
23:49:35 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> im in favor of banning larp messages (holes lul)
23:49:38 <thatsinewave[m]> TL;DR: I hate IRC
23:49:44 <thatsinewave[m]> But I'll try to reduce edits
23:49:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, if you dont stop gonna have to ban ya 
23:50:01 <thatsinewave[m]> Even tho I do them automatically, even if I use IRC
23:50:29 <thatsinewave[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Just make the bridge reject edits smh
23:50:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah
23:50:43 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> reject deez nutz
23:50:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> IRC would rather reject you
23:50:58 <thatsinewave[m]> Aww
23:51:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> You too my discord friend 
23:51:17 * thatsinewave[m] grabs a knife
23:51:18 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> i cumt in the bridge
23:51:19 <thatsinewave[m]> Don't run away IRC, don't reject me
23:51:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Discord is a privacy nightmare sooo
23:51:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> What I mean, is the people onbirc are here for no reason.
23:52:06 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> soyemoji
23:52:06 <thatsinewave[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Discord is a nightmare in so many levels
23:52:06 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> i cumt in discord servers
23:52:06 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> fill discord servers with poop pics
23:52:06 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> they retain all pics
23:52:06 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> fill their repo with poo pics
23:52:07 <thatsinewave[m]> The privacy part is just the tip of the iceberg
23:52:14 <thatsinewave[m]> Is bridgerton the IRC bridge
23:52:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most of the High level developers are on irc and dont need to bigger with day to Fay nonsense 
23:52:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bridgerton is discord
23:52:33 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh
23:52:35 <thatsinewave[m]> Right, that makes sense
23:53:00 <thatsinewave[m]> The messages are indeed very Discord-like
23:53:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> The irc people are here, listening, and will leave of we get annoying 
23:53:25 <thatsinewave[m]> I do wonder why couldn't the bot just split the users like how t2bot.io does
23:53:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> And im referring to core team, etc.
23:53:47 <thatsinewave[m]> Can I at least shit on the IRC protocol
23:53:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont like that bit eitherm
23:53:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
23:54:01 <thatsinewave[m]> Aww, ighty
23:54:15 <thatsinewave[m]> What's the IRC channel?
23:54:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same names @libera.chat
23:55:10 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh, ighty
23:55:17 * thatsinewave[m] goes to figure out how to make libera.chat work on weechat
23:57:06 * bridgerton[m] <XMR = gamer cash> shits cutely, filling up discord servers like xe fills xer diapers on cuterday
23:57:54 <thatsinewave[m]> I should add a plugin to element for blocking messages based on regex
23:58:06 <thatsinewave[m]> *events
23:58:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please do
23:58:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof will pay you 1xmr
23:58:37 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> block deez nutz _groans cutely as xe cutely poops everywhere_
23:58:39 <thatsinewave[m]> OwO, if you pinky promise I'll get to it right away
23:58:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont have pinkies 
23:59:01 <nioc> where am I and how did I get here?
23:59:03 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh, uh, any other fingers?
23:59:10 <thatsinewave[m]> On either hands or feet
23:59:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> But if it works, im sure I can figure sometjkgb out 
23:59:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Matrix
23:59:28 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> uwu i wike to scrape my poopsie woopsies with my pinky winky uwu _cutely sniffs poo covered pinky_
23:59:38 <bridgerton[m]> s/scrape/scwape/
23:59:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  youre on discord 
23:59:42 <nioc> off-topic >>>>>
23:59:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerobull needs to undo this shit
23:59:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeeep
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