00:00:01 <thatsinewave[m]> The Discord bridge?
00:00:02 <thatsinewave[m]> +1
00:00:16 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh, sorry, I meant The Spam Bridge
00:00:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes. Only been back for like a week
00:00:42 <bridgerton[m]> <XMR = gamer cash> wasted effort 🙂
00:01:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Or discord mod
00:01:43 <thatsinewave[m]> Does IRC just stream out my public IP domain?
00:02:01 <thatsinewave[m]> It literally looked up the IP I connected with
00:02:10 <thatsinewave[m]> Well, libera.chat
00:02:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah
00:02:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
00:02:24 <thatsinewave[m]> I don't like that, Tor it is
00:02:25 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh, right
00:02:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meet yall over there 
00:03:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Never
00:03:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): ?
00:03:30 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ofrnxmr[m]: Never
00:03:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ;)
00:03:44 <bridgerton[m]> <sgp> I believe I banned the right person
00:04:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah
00:04:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Message deleted
00:04:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks
01:45:17 <thatsinewave[m]> So, I finished the video.
01:45:17 <thatsinewave[m]> I still don't fully understand it. 
01:45:17 <thatsinewave[m]> Someone sends funds to my address. Then I send my funds to someone else. If those two cooperate, they *might* be able to relate my address and the info the one I sent funds to has?
01:45:33 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yep
01:46:02 <thatsinewave[m]> It was explained in quite a confusing matter, ngl.
01:46:02 <thatsinewave[m]> What are some mitigations I can employ?
01:46:32 <thatsinewave[m]> s/matter/way/
01:46:37 <BusyBoredom[m]> I think the mention mitigations in the video right? 
01:46:41 <thatsinewave[m]> Nope
01:46:57 <thatsinewave[m]> I was waiting and waiting and waiting and then the video ended
01:47:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> The main mitigation is "churning", which is sending the funds to yourself a few times before you use them
01:47:08 <thatsinewave[m]> * and waiting for when they'll mention mitigations and then
01:47:33 <thatsinewave[m]> As in, I send them to the same address that I use for receiving?
01:47:39 <thatsinewave[m]> Or I make a bunch of new addresses?
01:48:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> Same address works fine.
01:48:16 <thatsinewave[m]> I see
01:48:21 <thatsinewave[m]> How effective is it?
01:48:58 <BusyBoredom[m]> Nobody knows how many times you need to churn though, it's an area of active research. Also, churning at irregular intervals is probably better than churning at consistent intervals, but researchers are still trying to work out how much better.
01:49:12 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh, I see
01:49:40 <BusyBoredom[m]> Also important to note -- there are no documented cases of the attack actually being performed in the wild. It's theoretical.
01:50:50 <thatsinewave[m]> I see - are the other attacks on the playlist as severe, more severe or less severe?
01:51:24 <BusyBoredom[m]> Depends on your threat model, but IMO they're all much less severe for the average person.
01:51:37 <thatsinewave[m]> I see, that's good
01:53:28 <mrpython> hi somebody here ?
01:53:34 <thatsinewave[m]> That actually makes me think
01:54:32 <thatsinewave[m]> If I buy something with Monero, how does the receiver know that the funds they received are from a given customer?
01:54:34 <mrpython> ok
01:55:26 <BusyBoredom[m]> Have you learned about subaddresses yet? Subaddresses are how they know
01:56:02 <BusyBoredom[m]> They generate a subaddress for each user, and then check which subaddress gets paid to know which user has paid. 
01:56:37 <thatsinewave[m]> Oooooh
01:56:44 <BusyBoredom[m]> I wrote a library specifically for that actually 😎 https://busyboredom.com/projects/acceptxmr\
01:56:55 <thatsinewave[m]> Is there any cost to having multiple wallets?
01:56:56 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Oooh fun
01:57:00 <thatsinewave[m]> Atm I use the CLI wallet
01:57:28 <thatsinewave[m]> Well, "use", I downloaded the blockchain and played with the CLI a bit, but couldn't do much since I didn't know how to get any coins haha
01:57:40 <BusyBoredom[m]> If you have multiple wallets, you'll have to sync them all seperately. That's the only cost. 
01:58:04 <thatsinewave[m]> *There's still a 147G big .bitmonero in my homedir`
01:58:06 <thatsinewave[m]> s/`/*/
01:58:28 <BusyBoredom[m]> If you want it to be smaller, google how to prune it
01:58:32 <mrpython> the disanvatage of using  multiple wallets us that you have to pay a fee to transfer between wallets 
01:58:40 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: What does syncing it mean?
01:58:51 <thatsinewave[m]> Like I have a general idea what it means, but not fully sure
01:58:55 <thatsinewave[m]> * fully sure what it implies
01:59:07 <thatsinewave[m]> The thingy sitting in ~/.bitmonero is a copy of the blockchain, right?
01:59:27 <thatsinewave[m]> So all the wallets use that, right?
01:59:36 <thatsinewave[m]> mrpython: How large is the fee generally?
02:00:02 <BusyBoredom[m]> Wallet syncing is the automated process your wallet performs where it scans all blocks since your restore height looking for monero you own. 
02:00:07 <BusyBoredom[m]> It's slow
02:00:13 <thatsinewave[m]> Ooh
02:00:17 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 160: February 16 - 23, 2023. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-160.html
02:00:27 <thatsinewave[m]> How slow are we talking
02:00:36 <thatsinewave[m]> Will it take several days like downloading the blockchain did?
02:00:50 <BusyBoredom[m]> On a shitty phone with a restore height of zero, maybe days. On a nice phone with a recent restore height, seconds.
02:01:02 <thatsinewave[m]> And a high-end computer?
02:01:10 <thatsinewave[m]> * high-end computer or medium-end overcooked laptop?
02:01:11 <mrpython> well im taking about difereny wallet IDs 
02:01:43 <BusyBoredom[m]> Laptops and computers are faster than phones obviously
02:02:14 <mrpython> it takes some dats to downloa epending on your internet speed 
02:02:53 <thatsinewave[m]> Also, just another thing I was wondering - what is the average yield of mining on such a machine? I let it run for a few days succeeding 0 times; that is to say, is there any benefit to mining on a regular consumer machine?
02:03:02 <mrpython> sorry for the spelling 
02:03:22 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Yea, I presume it won't take too long then?
02:03:43 <BusyBoredom[m]> Normal yield for mining is negative, you'll lose money. 
02:03:43 <thatsinewave[m]> Lemme actually open the wallet that I haven't opened in two months
02:04:07 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: What if I have 0 on the wallet?
02:04:29 <BusyBoredom[m]> Then you'll have to get creative paying your electricity bill :P 
02:04:32 <mrpython> ive running mine with 4 core cpu 
02:04:55 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: I don't have 0 fiat, I have 0 monero :P
02:04:59 <mrpython> on pool
02:05:28 <mrpython> and it is giving me fractions of cents 
02:05:30 <thatsinewave[m]> And this thing is something that runs 24/7 anyway (it's a laptop that functions as a server)
02:05:41 <BusyBoredom[m]> I know, I was making a funny. Obviously you get paid monero to mine, but it'll cost you more in electricity. There's a channel for mining if you wanna learn more about that
02:05:55 <thatsinewave[m]> mrpython: How long did it take for it to generate *anything* ?
02:06:02 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Oooh ighty
02:06:09 <thatsinewave[m]> Where is it?
02:06:32 <mrpython> 2 full  days for me on pool mini chain 
02:06:40 <BusyBoredom[m]> Not sure, there's a search function on element to find it though
02:06:49 <mrpython> it was almost nothing 
02:06:59 <mrpython> .0007 
02:07:24 <mrpython> im using the cimputer to heat the room 
02:07:47 <mrpython> in sumer i'll loose money  mining 
02:08:43 <thatsinewave[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: So it is published on the matrix.org room directory?
02:08:48 <thatsinewave[m]> s/matrix.org//
02:09:14 <BusyBoredom[m]> Search, and thou shall receive 
02:09:25 <thatsinewave[m]> So uh, how small can I prune the blockchain
02:09:25 <thatsinewave[m]> I wanna sync but I don't have much more space for it
02:09:41 <BusyBoredom[m]> You can prune it to 1/3rd size
02:10:01 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh
02:10:23 <thatsinewave[m]> Well, the two articles I have been able to find are pretty useless, and monero-blockchain-prune --help is of no help as well
02:10:30 <thatsinewave[m]> And there's no manpage
02:10:55 <thatsinewave[m]> I ran monero-blockchain-prune by itself and it did nothing
02:11:01 <thatsinewave[m]>  * I ran monero-blockchain-prune by itself and it basically did nothing
02:11:20 <thatsinewave[m]>  * I ran monero-blockchain-prune by itself and it didn't reduce it by a noticeable amount
02:11:35 <BusyBoredom[m]> I think I'm not gonna be able to explain pruning any better than the articles can :( They worked for me
02:12:10 <thatsinewave[m]> They don't explain how to actually do the pruning
02:12:22 <thatsinewave[m]> Only a light and very confusing overview of what it dies
02:12:25 <thatsinewave[m]> s/dies/does/
02:13:02 <thatsinewave[m]> Gonna see if https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/11356/how-to-enable-pruning-in-the-command-line-of-the-monero-blockchain-in-version-v0 helps
02:13:21 <thatsinewave[m]> Nope
02:14:42 <plowsof11> ./monerod --prune-blockchain 
02:14:46 <thatsinewave[m]> Nope
02:14:49 <thatsinewave[m]> Did that
02:14:51 <thatsinewave[m]> Hmm, actually
02:15:01 <thatsinewave[m]> Could it be that it made a new .bitmonero
02:15:05 <thatsinewave[m]> Since I have two homefolders
02:15:55 <mrpython> Does anyone is informed on the issue of a single entity controlling almost 51% if the nodes? is this issue being address my monero?
02:15:55 <thatsinewave[m]> Let's try that
02:16:16 <thatsinewave[m]> It does seem like that was the case. Guess I was being a bit stoopid
02:18:12 <thatsinewave[m]> It sure is taking long
02:18:25 <plowsof11> any proof of work coin is susceptible to a 51% attack. do some research on it, its 51% of the hashpower. if 51% of the haspower was controlled by a p2pool though it would be fine 
02:19:01 <thatsinewave[m]> Can I kill it in the middle and run monero-blockchain-prune instead of monerod --pure-blockchain ?
02:19:57 <mrpython> thanks plowsof11
02:20:48 <plowsof11> well its anything >50% (not actually 51% its just a catchy name)
02:20:50 <thatsinewave[m]> Imma hope so and kill it
02:21:15 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh, blockchain is already pruned, hmm
02:21:16 <plowsof11> thatsinewave: stop , think, 'is this stream of consciousness text im entering' 
02:23:39 <mrpython> I actually think monero is the only coin with real future, thats why i started with it despite of the bad publicity  
02:30:39 <BusyBoredom[m]> Monero has great publicity though
02:33:53 <udiaz> well yes publicity is fine i mean, like you hearthings about missuse of the tech 
03:09:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Plowsof cranky today
03:22:32 <idkrn[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Plowsof cranky today" <- Banned
04:33:26 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: hello folks
05:03:57 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: anyone use feather wallet here?
06:01:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dontasktoask.com
06:01:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nohello.net
06:16:35 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: why?
06:17:02 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: confused about something  with feather wallet
06:19:52 <plowsof11> #feather:monero.social 
06:20:15 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: on xmpp
06:51:13 <halcyon[m]> just ask your question
06:51:33 <halcyon[m]> there's gonna be some feather users in here
06:53:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> The suspense
06:55:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> User probably doesn't require someone who has ever used feather  
07:00:02 <ceetee[m]> <thatsinewave[m]> "Oh, blockchain is already..." <- If you enable pruning after you've downloaded the 150+GB chain, it will *not* reduce the size of the file. Instead it will clear some data within the file, and put any new blockchain data there - meaning the file won't grow (until a pruned node needs more then 150+GB). If you enable pruning from the beginning, the total file size will be what you'd expect from a pruned node
07:52:47 <Guest6899> if we have more outputs BULLETPROOF_MAX_OUTPUTS this will affect only anonymity or other things too
08:03:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh boy
08:03:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0 days 
08:04:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS:monero.social/$7TYsBC7VpxcYKiqRDE3t0nrJaZ-rQ-V6MmRIb5wuzMc?via=monero.social&via=libera.chat&via=matrix.org
08:04:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Context
08:05:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "i definitely need a few days..." <- Hows the vacation coming along? 
08:19:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> plowsof got rdo?
09:55:57 <thatsinewave[m]> How can I list my wallets in the CLI wallet?
09:57:45 <moneromooo> Your addresses/accounts ? help address and help account.
10:00:02 <thatsinewave[m]> It does not let me in if I don't know the wallet name
10:00:27 <moneromooo> Do you mean password instead of name ?
10:00:49 <thatsinewave[m]> I mean name
10:00:50 <moneromooo> If you lost your password, you can restore with your seed, if you wrote it down.
10:00:53 <moneromooo> Filename ?
10:00:56 <thatsinewave[m]> Yes
10:00:57 <moneromooo> Then... ls ?
10:01:03 <thatsinewave[m]>  * Sure
10:01:05 <moneromooo> Or find ~ -name \*keys
10:01:31 <thatsinewave[m]> Is there not a standard location for them?
10:01:57 <moneromooo> Not really. Wherever you created it.
10:02:12 <moneromooo> If you did not give it a path, it'll be in whatever directory you were in at the time.
10:02:18 <thatsinewave[m]> Oh
10:02:21 <thatsinewave[m]> I think I found it
10:03:59 <thatsinewave[m]> Thanks!
10:15:35 <guest6899[m]> if on a testnet we send simultaneously to +100 people changing BULLETPROOF_MAX_OUTPUTS to smth else this will affect anonymity or maybe other things too 
10:18:45 <moneromooo> Do you mean only your node changes this, or all nodes (or at least half the network hash rate's worth of nodes) ?
10:19:24 <moneromooo> If only your node changes it, your tx will be rejected.
10:20:05 <moneromooo> If enough nodes change it, it does affect anonymity somewhat, and will grow fees sublinearly vs cost to verify.
10:20:15 <guest6899[m]> all nodes,i'm mean testnet
10:21:02 <moneromooo> Fees will grow logarithmically with the number of outputs (beyond a fixed base) while verification cost will grow linearly, opening a DoS vector.
10:22:44 <guest6899[m]> yes but this will happen only for transfers that are +100 not to simple transfers,one to one for example
10:24:04 <moneromooo> Yes.
10:35:17 <guest6899[m]> except anonymity dos cant achieve smth else on that huge tx
14:10:56 <Infinity8> Hello
14:11:33 <Infinity8> I'm attempting to generate view-only wallet which I've already generated in the past
14:12:03 <Infinity8> I'm getting an error: "Attempting to generate view only wallet, but specified files exists. exiting to not risk overwriting"
14:12:05 <Infinity8> How to proceed?
14:18:38 <Infinity8> Okay scrap that...
15:22:20 <NicknameJohn> Has anybody been able to install xmrig on OpenBSD?
15:34:56 <sma> You can always just compile it from source 
15:36:15 <sech1> OpenBSD is not supported by XMRig
15:36:43 <sech1> You can compile p2pool though and mine in p2pool directly
15:41:10 <NicknameJohn> The old xmr-stack worked. The problem looks to be related with MAP_HUGESTL that is not supported. There must be some way to solve this but I couldn't find it.
15:41:51 <NicknameJohn> *MAP_HUGETLB I mean
15:43:25 <sech1> try "cmake .. -DWITH_HWLOC=OFF -DMAP_HUGETLB=0 -DMAP_POPULATE=0"
15:44:09 <sech1> But OpenBSD is a poor choice for mining. It doesn't support huge pages and thread affinity, and MSR mod
15:44:33 <sech1> you'll get around 50% of hashrate you would get on Linux/Windows
15:57:48 <nell2[m]> what wallet do you guys use
15:57:56 <nell2[m]> i feel that monero gui wallet is a bit too simple
15:58:01 <nell2[m]> shall i go to feather?
15:58:32 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> I use elite wallet on Android and stackwallet
15:59:41 <hbs[m]> cli or feather on desktop, cake, monerujo or stack on mobile
17:40:32 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: feather wallet is better and less bloated
18:10:00 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: as we can see we need more monero to buy grass
23:11:55 <vikCake[m]> Cake Wallet is now on desktop, starting with MacOS! Join the TestFlight to test our first beta release! 
23:11:55 <vikCake[m]> https://cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-arrives-on-desktop/
23:14:10 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: never used cake wallet tbh
23:14:11 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: hey guys do you now how much ram usage matrix synapse consume ?
23:14:29 <icarolongo[m]> > <@vikrants:monero.social> Cake Wallet is now on desktop, starting with MacOS! Join the TestFlight to test our first beta release! 
23:14:29 <icarolongo[m]> > 
23:14:29 <icarolongo[m]> > https://cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-arrives-on-desktop/
23:14:29 <icarolongo[m]> Waiting the Linux version...
23:14:47 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: too much matrix = bloat spyware jamaikos
23:14:49 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: yeah xmpp is better
23:14:58 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: I want to setup a xmpp server on my sbc
23:15:31 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: 512 mb ram for sure will handle xmpp
23:15:34 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: 4 core
23:15:40 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: banana pi m2 zero
23:16:38 <vikCake[m]> icarolongo[m]: Working on it
23:17:01 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: matrix is bloated and requires more resources & money$ to run  but what concerns me more is Matrix was founded by amdocs which is directly realted to israeli spy agencies
23:17:13 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: xmpp is better and more solid and trustable than briar and atox
23:17:44 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: the only thing matrix has over xmpp is better encrpted group chat handling
23:18:16 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: briar has good point but to use bluetooth to message or the phone wireless would need close distance ,  so why not speak ? kkk
23:19:17 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: > the only thing matrix has over xmpp is better encrpted group chat handling
23:19:17 <dANBs[m]> depends cause if  the group is public there is no point cryptography
23:20:08 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: the way it is for my view make my xmpp server with a telegram bridge
23:20:28 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: and maybe a matrix bridge
23:23:26 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: >[user]
23:23:26 <dANBs[m]> And what do you think about IRC ? 
23:24:55 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: and Session and Nostr ?
23:29:46 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: I think IRC and XMPP are two really decentralized and good but XMPP fixes certain leaks i think
23:29:55 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: however i haven't really used IRC much
23:30:47 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: I like the idea of session and downloaded awhile back never really tested it, no phone # required is a plus
23:31:00 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: never heard if Nostr
23:33:31 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: https://guides.cakewallet.com/docs/advanced-features/tor-with-orbot/
23:34:58 <cockliuser[m]> XML is a markup language not a data transmission format 👀
23:35:45 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: vik my father is gonna try cake wallet ( i don't have a smart phone) but it would be cool if cake had Tor/proxy option baked into wallet like feather on desktop for linux given the user has tor daemon running in background
23:36:10 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: have heard lots of good things about cake but never tried it myself
23:37:26 <cockliuser[m]> <dANBs[m]> "user[xmpp]: never heard if Nostr" <- Nostr is usenet on steroids 
23:40:47 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: looks interesting
23:43:43 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: it was developed by a guy from my town
23:43:59 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: but until now there is only chinese guys using at the most
23:44:44 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: >chinese guys
23:44:58 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: jamaikos,  does it shake up censorship then
23:45:22 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: "great firewall"
23:45:36 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: yeah it is over relays all the ssutff on nstr
23:45:44 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: stuff*
23:46:00 <cockliuser[m]> Golden tweet about nostr:
23:46:01 <cockliuser[m]> https://twitter.com/MaxiDerangement/status/1627354414720638976
23:46:24 <cockliuser[m]> A relay is literally just a server and it refuse to publish your posts based on your pubkey or content 
23:46:50 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: I was thinking about briar and Atox but there is no adption
23:47:02 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: no public chats and nothing
23:47:11 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: but it is good for some guys
23:48:16 <cockliuser[m]> Decentralisation especially for real-time stuff is pretty hard to accomplish
23:48:26 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: yeah
23:48:27 <cockliuser[m]> Signal just works™
23:48:39 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: xmpp is better cause it is portocol older than me
23:49:05 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: signal is good but centralized I prefer telegram with a random number bought with monero and xmpp
23:49:27 <cockliuser[m]> Telegram is spyware though
23:49:39 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: if we started doing briges from xmpp to telegram , xmpp would get more attention
23:50:11 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: they would now nothing less than our xmpp pseudonims and we dont need to give phone numbers or emails to use XMPP
23:50:31 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: yeah bridges seem like good idea to bridge the gap
23:50:31 <cockliuser[m]> xmpp isn't really truly decentralised either, a P2P protocol wouldn't be able to distinguish a "user" and a "server" 
23:50:40 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: XMPP with briges to other platforms it is a way to use centralized platforms in a nonymous form
23:51:23 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: Meh IRC is already bridged to most stuff
23:51:26 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: > *cockliuser[m]:* xmpp isn't really truly decentralised either, a P2P protocol wouldn't be able to distinguish a "user" and a "server" 
23:51:26 <dANBs[m]> there is no problem at least in xmpp with bridges they dont now your phone number or email 
23:51:55 <dANBs[m]> jamaikos[xmpp]: > *cockliuser[m]:* 
23:51:55 <dANBs[m]> > Meh IRC is already bridged to most stuff
23:51:55 <dANBs[m]> really ? thats amazing 
23:53:54 <cockliuser[m]> Currently we have https://bitlbee.org and https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge
23:54:14 <cockliuser[m]> Matrix has cool bridging support though 
23:55:03 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: I think thats cause Matrix wants to make all its users look like [m] instead of the fact many are bridged users?
23:55:52 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: https://www.nuegia.net/articles/matrix.xhtml
23:57:20 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: > I will however continue to complain and raise concerns about Matrix until it becomes an XMPP client/server implementation, or at the very least standardized XMPP federation and interoperability is fixed in good faith.
23:57:22 <cockliuser[m]> Jesus that's pretentious
23:57:46 <plowsof11> i used irc once, dox'd my home ip (not everything is private by default like monero)
23:58:16 <cockliuser[m]> plowsof11: cloaks fix this most of the time
23:59:04 <cockliuser[m]> It is kinda stupid that irc servers have your IP on public display though 
23:59:08 <dANBs[m]> user[xmpp]: true plowsof thats why i like xmpp better then irc...people should use tor or i2p or vpn with any p2p tech because of this