00:00:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> So having someone named Sir come and reset the counter is traumatically ironic
00:00:52 <Sir_Teal_Esq> I am not here every day so that is a false acusation
00:01:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not you, the real, the 24 and 25 only sir
00:01:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you understand?
00:02:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> (You had to be there. Be happy you weren't.)
00:08:48 <Sir_Teal_Esq> Wow this connection sucks.ive droped like 12 times
00:09:13 <Sir_Teal_Esq> So when I donwload the new version What do I do just unzip it and get rid of the old file?
00:10:30 <plowsof11> you dont have to think , use what you download 
00:10:55 <plowsof11> if you want to do some spring cleaning go ahead 
00:12:17 <nioc> Sir_Teal_Esq: move the wallet files that you want to keep from the old version to the new one
00:13:07 <plowsof11> b-but,, default storage directory 
00:13:19 <plowsof11> if not default - they should know 
00:14:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Long before touching the wallet, the node needs to sync.
00:14:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> And before that, we need to make downloading monero easier 
00:15:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe make it like "Alexa, fix please"
00:15:17 <nioc> I click download
00:15:47 <plowsof11> display a buffering.gif after "alexa, fix please"
00:15:54 <nioc> but yeah your hand is not held 
00:16:31 <Sir_Teal_Esq> Frankly I was avoiding updating because I was waiting for it to synch. That clearly didn't happen fast enough.
00:16:50 <nioc> because it can't  :)
00:16:57 <plowsof11> trouble shooting question 1: at any point in this process did you try and think/decide what to do? if yes, please hold 
00:17:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did you startup monerod yet
00:17:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or are we still waiting to extract 
00:17:52 <Sir_Teal_Esq> First download failed waiting for it to finish.
00:18:34 <plowsof11> spoiler: youve got 7 months of syncing waiting for you
00:18:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well, your terrible connection isnt going to be productive to syncing a node
00:18:53 <Sir_Teal_Esq> I also have updates for the laptop a gig's worth. Sadly even open source takes bandwith for granted these days.
00:19:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: 17 with a connection that cant do 100mb browser download
00:19:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sir_Teal_Esq: Well holy shit bud
00:19:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe you run those updates and your monero is magically working 
00:31:01 <monerodtxproxy[m> ofrnxmr you're a fucking retard. restarting a node gives no privacy loss compared to letting monerod handle it automatically. there is nothing in the code that prevents you from sending over same hidden service circuit so eventually you will double up over the same node. if you do occasional restarts the worst case is that the remote nodes detect this and you are at the same privacy level as letting monerod handle it automatically. at
00:31:01 <monerodtxproxy[m> the best case the malicious remote node hasn't implemented the check for this and so the elementary hidden service circuit/connection check will not link transactions.
00:31:09 <monerodtxproxy[m> fucking retard
00:31:16 <monerodtxproxy[m> dont speak confidently when you dont know shit
00:32:44 <monerodtxproxy[m> <ofrnxmr[m]> "And your onion will be on..." <- why assume there is an onion fucking retard? dont need to have anonymous inbound fucking retard.
00:34:02 <McDWiFiLvr> monerodtxproxy[m, dude... relax
00:34:06 <McDWiFiLvr> It's just IRC
00:34:20 <monerodtxproxy[m> <ofrnxmr[m]> "And your lagged behind blockheig..." <- no block syncing occurs over tx-proxy so this wont be an issue fucking retard
00:34:39 <monerodtxproxy[m> what if someoen takes his advice literally
00:34:46 <monerodtxproxy[m> he just said so much retarded shit with such confidence
00:34:50 <McDWiFiLvr> plowsof11, you have ops here?
00:35:13 <monerodtxproxy[m> ive just given good advice
00:35:16 <monerodtxproxy[m> that anyone can use to improve their privacy
00:35:54 <McDWiFiLvr> The name-calling is way over the top though.
00:36:13 <monerodtxproxy[m> he needs to be put in his place
00:36:17 <monerodtxproxy[m> so he doesnt do this shit again
00:36:36 <McDWiFiLvr> Not like that though. There is no excuse for that.
00:36:40 <monerodtxproxy[m> i came in asking for genuine advice on a configuration and he confidently destroyed it and then upon further investgiation almost everything he said was wrong
00:37:22 <monerodtxproxy[m> how else do you put someone in there place on the internet?
00:37:56 <Mochi101> monerodtxproxy[m, with courteous and correct information.
00:38:19 <Sir_Teal_Esq> Well I can chime in on this I had question and I was told i was runing version 17.1 I was actually runing version 18.1.2
00:38:25 <monerodtxproxy[m> so that he does the same thing next time somebody else comes in?
00:39:20 <Mochi101> No excuse to be calling someone a fucking retard.
00:40:05 <Sir_Teal_Esq> I concur that dude is rude.
00:40:11 <Sir_Teal_Esq> or chick.
01:05:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its ok 🫂
01:06:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero txproxy is still wrong, but its ok 🫂
01:07:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sir_Teal_Esq: nobody believes  you 😭
01:07:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> But again,  its ok 🫂
01:08:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> <monerodtxproxy[m> "why assume there is an onion..." <- I have a sharper mouth than you, dont get embarassed
01:08:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Use your real handle so I can make fun on you lata
01:14:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> <monerodtxproxy[m> "no block syncing occurs over tx..." <- Idiot
01:14:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> sync_info
01:18:10 <LZA_MENACE> have some graphs: https://singapore.node.xmr.pm/?orgId=1&refresh=1m&from=now-6M&to=now
01:19:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nice man
01:19:44 <nioc> pretty
01:20:59 <CopenhagenBram[m> What are the dangers of interfacing with the same wallet on multiple devices? For example, say I restored my Cake Wallet seed to a Feather wallet on my computer?
01:21:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> The issues with the setup / control of each device 
01:24:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> The norm issues for each platform + any potential spyware etc when typing the seed into the new device + potentially not being in control of the device at all times 
01:28:36 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Wait are y'all actual people or people that programmed and coded the bots to speak for you without one actually been there just a question very curious 😭
01:29:01 <bridgerton[m]> s/been/being/
01:29:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
01:29:52 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> That is very smart 😭
02:09:23 <Infinity8_> Is there an attack or something? My monerod is blocking a bunch of ip addresses where the last two digits of the ip address is ascending
02:15:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
02:16:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im assuming these IPS?
02:16:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> 162.218.65.x                                                91.198.115.x                                                             209.222.252.x
02:21:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can run the node with the flag --enable-dns-blocklist to help avoid asshole nodes
02:29:22 <monerodtxproxy[m> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Monero txproxy is still wrong..." <- yes much better to rely on incoming transactions from the anonymous inbound to mix in with dandellion. idiot.
02:29:36 <monerodtxproxy[m> go buy some anonymous porn subscriptions 
02:31:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> You csn just keep on pretending like you know what youre talking about 👍. Use your real handle :)
02:31:47 <monerodtxproxy[m> i know exactly what im talking about
02:32:16 <monerodtxproxy[m> if youre saying tx proxy isnt the solution then you would be relying on incoming txs to mix in with your own
02:32:38 <monerodtxproxy[m> have you thought that through or you dont need to for those anonymous porn subscriptions?
02:32:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cant read either. I'll leave you alone now
02:33:14 <monerodtxproxy[m> thats what i thought
02:33:25 <monerodtxproxy[m> you the real clueless one here
02:33:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> No time to talk to disposable handles who dont know what they're talking about 
02:40:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Funny
02:41:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> My tx-proxy disables noise
02:41:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wonder why youre so damn noisy
02:41:28 <monerodtxproxy[m> why you looking at your tx-proxy, realize youre wrong?
02:41:41 <monerodtxproxy[m> double check thsoe settings bitch
02:41:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, im thinking about your dandelion talk. I dont even use dandelion
02:42:14 <monerodtxproxy[m> do you want to have a serious conversation or not
02:42:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Someone doesnt know what disable noise means but wants to tell me about tx proxy? Go RTFM
02:44:06 <monerodtxproxy[m> i dont sit at home tweaking my node all day, im reviewing everything now and will post my results which will make you look like a fucking idiot
02:44:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sure they will, idiot
02:44:40 <monerodtxproxy[m> unless the code has changed significantly in last 6 months you don't know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to preventing txs being linked over network
02:44:47 <Rec[m]> Wow, I joined in at a heated time. I just have a question about the CCS system if anyone is willing to answer?
02:44:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1+1=2 you cant redo the math and come up with a better solution 
02:44:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rec:  happy to
02:45:33 <Rec[m]> Thanks. So anyone can propose something to the CCS right? It's just a matter of it getting funded or not, or is there an approval process first?
02:45:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is an approval process
02:46:00 <Rec[m]> Where would I go to get something approved? I have an idea
02:46:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyone can post a ccs, but it is better if you make yourself known in the community first 
02:46:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> And let people know about the project etc 
02:46:28 <Rec[m]> I currently write articles for the Monero Standard but that's the only name I have for myself
02:46:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-community:monero.social  is where we meet 
02:46:46 <Rec[m]> Thank you
02:48:40 <Rec[m]> <LZA_MENACE> "have some graphs: https://..." <- Wow, nice. Willing to share your setup? I'd love to have some stats on my monerod process
02:49:03 <geonic> Rec[m]: https://ccs.getmonero.org/how-to-ccs/
02:49:33 <Rec[m]> Thank you very much, I will look into this
02:51:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> I recommend introducing yourself etc before/at the same time as opening the ccs to avoid being voted on before you have a chance to speak. (Dont just open it and avoid the meetings / room)
02:51:54 <Rec[m]> I was just wanting to get ahead, I'm planning to submit this when I finish school which is in around three months
02:52:09 <Rec[m]> But thank you for the advice
02:52:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sounds good 👍
02:57:58 <monerodtxproxy[m> you either use --tx-proxy and end up reusing a hidden service circuit or you rely on dandellion
02:58:06 <monerodtxproxy[m> there is nothing to prevent reuse of hidden service circuits
02:58:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Still talking to yourself?
02:58:39 <monerodtxproxy[m> they dont drop after 10 minutes, they don't rotate out
02:59:00 <monerodtxproxy[m> admit youre wrong bitch boy
02:59:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sorry, cant.
03:24:52 <LZA_MENACE> Rec: https://github.com/lalanza808/docker-monero-node
03:25:43 <Rec[m]> Thank you
03:26:03 <Rec[m]> I will never understand docker lovers
03:26:16 <Rec[m]> Why would I run grafana and all of these in one container compared to separating them
03:30:49 <LZA_MENACE> You don’t run them in one container, they’re all separate 
03:31:02 <monerodtxproxy[m> monerodtxproxy... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2c393602ad97a5abc12bf936d85901f8b16b0e1e>)
03:31:16 <monerodtxproxy[m> what cant i read?
03:31:39 <Rec[m]> LZA_MENACE: You're right, I just looked at the readme.md and assumed that it was all in one container
03:31:42 <Rec[m]> I still do not like docker
03:31:52 <LZA_MENACE> nah, that’s a pretty bad pattern anyways
03:32:05 <LZA_MENACE> yeah, most hardcore sysadmin types prefer to run systemd services 
03:32:24 <Rec[m]> Guess I'm "hardcore" then
03:32:27 <LZA_MENACE> I just like easy, low maintenance as possible 
03:32:28 <Rec[m]> I use lxc but most are openrc
03:36:02 <LZA_MENACE> Right on. Used to dabble with lxc when running proxmox 
03:36:30 <Rec[m]> Do you not run proxmox anymore?
03:37:06 <LZA_MENACE> no, running xenserver these days. When it dies probably will just run a simple freenas 
03:37:39 <Rec[m]> I considered xenserver, but never considered the free or true nas stuff. Never understood it
03:37:54 <Rec[m]> I have a NetApp DS4246 that hold's all my disks, I got it for $120
03:38:28 <Rec[m]> I have like 30 containers running at the moment and I want to become a public monero node but I have 10mbps upload
03:38:43 <LZA_MENACE> lol
03:38:51 <LZA_MENACE> not conduce to running a node eh
03:39:26 <LZA_MENACE> s/conduce/conducive/
03:40:11 <LZA_MENACE> I just use a VPS for monero nodes 
03:40:48 <Rec[m]> How much bandwidth does it use?
03:41:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should show on the graph :P
03:41:29 <LZA_MENACE> indeed 
03:41:59 <LZA_MENACE> That’s a seed node, too, so might use extra bw maybe? 
03:42:10 <Rec[m]> Yeah, I will see. I love hosting stuff and I depend on it all when I am outside (my matrix server, jellyfin, alternate frontends, vpn, etc etc), but at some point bandwidth becomes a problem
03:42:23 <Rec[m]> LZA_MENACE: What is a seed node and how does it compare to a normal one?
03:42:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> My home node does about 1gb up and down per day
03:42:46 <Rec[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: That's fine, I have unlimited bandwidth
03:43:04 <Rec[m]> I ended up paying xfinity $30 extra a month, I couldn't handle the 1.2TB "reasonable bandwidth" restriction
03:43:17 <Rec[m]> I'm using upwards of 100tb or so because I seed a lot of stuff
03:43:25 <Rec[m]> And download
03:43:57 <LZA_MENACE> Seed node is one of the initial nodes you connect to to get a peer list of other nodes on the network (unless you specify one yourself)
03:44:03 <LZA_MENACE> monerod 
03:44:45 <Rec[m]> LZA_MENACE: monerod is what I am running
03:45:48 <LZA_MENACE> Right. Your node might say hi to my node from time to time when you start it :)
03:45:59 <Rec[m]> But the port is not forwarded so I assume I am running the full blockchain but only for myself?
03:46:16 <Rec[m]> I don't really understand monero on a technical level too much
03:46:17 <Rec[m]> I am trying to learn... I'm yet to take calculus 😅
03:46:57 <LZA_MENACE> there are IP addresses hardcoded in The codebase which monerod will initially reach out to to get connected with the rest of the network 
03:47:23 <Rec[m]> Yeah, I see 188.something I think in my logs, I haven't checked them in months
03:47:31 <Rec[m]> Or maybe 186, I don't know
03:47:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rec[m]: You still share with others
03:48:01 <Rec[m]> Oh that's good
03:48:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> But only with nodes who have incoming connections open and ports forwarded (if necessary on the peers setup)
03:48:23 <Rec[m]> Yeah 
03:48:31 <Rec[m]> I need to forward the port so people can connect to me incoming
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07:15:19 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Why Monero community was published info about Cake Wallet on getmonero.org? Cake Wallet is not compile from source code. Than it not published on fdroid
07:24:12 <rbrunner> Ah, no, Cake wallet does not compile from source code? What does it compile from then?
07:24:34 <rbrunner> A search for "Monero" on f-droid gives ZERO hits for wallets: https://search.f-droid.org/?q=Monero&lang=en
07:24:45 <rbrunner> So no wallet for you :)
07:27:17 <moneromooo> I'm reasonably sure it was open source at least. Look harder ?
07:44:43 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: don't make fun of me. I know which wallets to use. I am writing because there is a recommendation of harmful software on the main site. Maybe then we will advise binance to beginners? Why not? It doesn't even need to be synchronized...
07:44:55 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: rbunner ^
07:46:26 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: What's the use of having it open if the program isn't going from it? I might as well lay out the code for the navigator, and distribute the apk of the miner.
07:48:05 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: The compiled program has some secrets compiled in which is why it isn't reproducible
07:48:21 <cockliuser[m]> You can build your own version though 
07:49:05 <moneromooo> Secret... code ? Or data ?
07:49:11 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: If the assembly fails according to their instructions, then they use a non-public assembly method that they do not want to talk about. With such success, you can publish anything on the Play Market AppStore and on the main site in the APK section, and users will have no alternatives how to install their software.
07:50:36 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Fuck, Google also uses a secret when compiling. Maybe we'll all use Google?
07:50:45 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: What do you mean? 
07:51:36 <cockliuser[m]> It has secret data (such as private api keys) built in as moneromoo pointed out
07:51:55 <cockliuser[m]> s/moneromoo/moneromooo/
07:52:08 <moneromooo> Oh, that's ok then. Secret code would be wtf, but that seems ok at first glance.
07:52:28 <moneromooo> As long as it can't hide trojans or the like.
07:53:01 <cockliuser[m]> Secret code would definitely be a wtf lol
07:54:40 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: If you're stupid  https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.cakewallet.cake_wallet/
07:54:46 <cockliuser[m]> Here you go ser: https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/blob/main/howto-build-android.md
07:54:51 <rbrunner> I only make fun a little. As *no* Monero wallet is on f-droid, and if it's not there you say it's already "harmful", *all* of them are, not only Cake.
07:55:16 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: 1. Third-party services failed to compile 2. this is not published on f-droid
07:56:02 <cockliuser[m]> Can you try compiling it yourself and update us with if it goes through?
07:56:02 <cockliuser[m]> Here's the instructions 
07:56:03 <cockliuser[m]> https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/blob/main/howto-build-android.md
07:56:06 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Yeah, only monerujo is there. why?
07:56:13 <rbrunner> That new XMPP bridge is a real win, isn't it? Can always use more entertainment.
07:56:22 <rbrunner> Monerujo on f-droid? Have a link?
07:56:32 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: go now and try to assemble according to this instruction, if you are so smart. Do you think I didn't see it?
07:57:11 <moneromooo> Please try and tone the assholishness down a bit or you'll start getting ignored.
07:57:19 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: https://f-droid.monerujo.io/
07:57:38 <cockliuser[m]> That's a... third party repo
07:57:44 <cockliuser[m]> Jesus Christ sir
07:57:56 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: send me something similar for cake
07:58:06 <rbrunner> Ah, moving the goalpost :)
07:58:48 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: A third party repo uses binary builds from the developer/someone else lol
07:58:57 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: or do you think you can publish Trojans to your own repository under the guise of something else, and the f droid team will allow you to do this?
07:59:18 <cockliuser[m]> A third party repo can be made by anyone lol
07:59:20 <rbrunner> Third-party f-droid posing sites are the most harmful !!!1!!11!!
08:00:12 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Should I wait for you to come back to this chat with a compilation error?
08:00:26 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: Burden of proof is on you sir
08:00:51 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: I already checked and came here
08:00:55 <cockliuser[m]> Anyway, do you really think third party repos need F-Droid's approval? 🫠
08:01:10 <rbrunner> So you can post the compile error?
08:01:37 <moneromooo> If you tried to build cake wallet and it failed (I thnk this is what you're saying), then ask the cake people about it.
08:01:52 <rbrunner> Here would be a nice possible place: https://paste.debian.net/
08:02:06 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Okay, then I went to distribute harmful programs through f-droid. I'll go distribute manners and keyloggers. At least I'll raise some money... Thanks for the advice, monero community
08:02:18 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: lol wut
08:02:21 <rbrunner> You are welcome
08:02:28 <rbrunner> Always here to serve
08:02:29 <moneromooo> OK, it's a troll, confirmed. Ignored.
08:03:14 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: You don't want to listen and try to protect the malware
08:03:58 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: I don't think you understand how F-Droid works ser. F-Droid has a central repository which is reviewed by the maintainers and third party repos which anyone can make. 
08:04:42 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Even if I'm wrong about this, it doesn't answer the main question. How to build from source code?
08:05:13 <cockliuser[m]> Scroll above
08:05:51 <cockliuser[m]> Me posting the same link 3 times would be considered spamming :)
08:06:10 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Why aren't other closed-source wallets published on the main site then? There is no difference. That this program is not compiled, that we cannot compile closed source programs
08:06:26 <cockliuser[m]> The monerujo wallet isn't on the *main site*
08:06:33 <cockliuser[m]> It's a third party repo
08:06:48 <cockliuser[m]> Go ahead, try searching the *main site* for monerujo
08:07:13 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Are you suggesting I go check on him again? I'll do that, too. Question with cake
08:07:34 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: without again
08:07:49 <cockliuser[m]> > <@danbs:matrix.org> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Are you suggesting I go check on him again? I'll do that, too. Question with cake
08:07:49 <cockliuser[m]> > 
08:07:49 <cockliuser[m]> Check on who 
08:08:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> U
08:09:05 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Maybe your secret api keys are sending information to their website which ip sent how much money?
08:09:23 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: Uh sir
08:09:33 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: I have already told you that I have seen the compilation instructions but they are not valid
08:09:44 <cockliuser[m]> Burden of proof...
08:10:07 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: How do you want me to prove it to you? just threw off a mistake?
08:10:12 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: error*
08:10:18 <cockliuser[m]> dANBs[m]: Post the error sir
08:10:27 <rbrunner> Yes please. Now you got it. Post the error.
08:10:42 <cockliuser[m]> Use https://paste.debian.net as rbrunner pointed out
08:12:43 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: I'll do it during the day
08:13:47 <cockliuser[m]> > <@danbs:matrix.org> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: I'll do it during the day
08:13:47 <cockliuser[m]> > 
08:13:47 <cockliuser[m]> Okay sir! This support channel is open 24/7 to answer all your queries! 
08:13:57 <cockliuser[m]> We'll be waiting :)
08:16:44 <rbrunner> Not exactly trivial to build. Plenty of things that can go astray. But not Cake's fault, that Flutter magic has its price, it seems.
08:17:13 <rbrunner> C++ is ugly and slow to compile, but the way to compile the core software is downright trivial compared with this ...
08:17:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Create a support ticket and a tech support will call you
08:17:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/a//
08:17:54 <rbrunner> I start to understand why these "Cake is un-buildable" rumors pop up every now and then
08:18:27 <rbrunner> It just needs one non-dev per month to fail, and that's it already, that rumor will be alive perpetually
08:20:10 <rbrunner> "tech support will call you" Please have your seed ready :)
08:47:10 <TheDisruptiveCol> I've switched to this lately.  https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet  
08:47:27 <TheDisruptiveCol> i don't need that Cake Pay stuff tbh  
09:38:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake builds using github actions
09:38:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> the build instructions ayeorked at some point, but are not updated 
09:41:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!ajcjqFotPWktuuDLkl:monero.social/$sY3IzyV4-dpfoY0hvmt-zM_WWxqog4fqTe14yFu6hVY?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=arcticfoxes.net
09:42:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> If dev can "tell me", dev can update public build instructions 
09:44:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it builds via GitHub actions, it should build using fdroids build server.. Izzy from fdroid had said cake had no blockers as well. So I dont think "funny biz", just that cake is really slow sometimes 
09:48:01 <cockliuser[m]> <TheDisruptiveCol> "I've switched to this lately..." <- Stack is cool
09:48:07 <cockliuser[m]> It has WOW
09:48:35 <cockliuser[m]> * Stack is w0w
10:10:06 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: So, you confirm my words that it really can not be assembled according to the instructions, right? ofrnxmr
10:11:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> According to buildinstruction.MD, correct, 100% impossible
10:11:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> But you can build it using correct instructions 
10:12:27 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Okay, where do I get them?
10:14:12 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: cockliuser, now you are convinced that I am not the only one who is aware of what is happening with Cake?
10:14:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cam view the ci build on GitHub to get a mote accurate build, or ask them 
10:14:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> But ideally the instructions should be updated 
10:15:16 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: rbrunner ^
10:15:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Zhoska, I posted a link to build failingbon ios as well. aremor:  is trying to build 
10:15:25 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: thanks ofrnxmr
10:16:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Again,it builds, but they released cake desktop for mac and windows before linux.
10:17:26 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: "aremor:  is trying to build" translate error, say it in other words
10:17:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> the devs probably develop using windows or mac
10:18:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Zhoska. Aremor is a user. They could not build cake wallet for iphone
10:18:28 <rbrunner> Your words: "a recommendation of harmful software on the main site" So is it now harmful or not?
10:19:30 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: As long as it can't be compiled from source code, then how can I think otherwise?
10:19:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> > ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Why aren't other closed-source wallets published on the main site then? There is no difference. That this program is not compiled, that we cannot compile closed source programs
10:19:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Edge wallet is
10:19:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont know how =/= cant 
10:20:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> It does build, if you know how. I have built it.
10:22:05 <rbrunner> Still waiting for the paste that shows that ZHOSKA made a bona-fide attempt to build and did run into an error themselves, by the way. It would be progress to have documented *how* it fails
10:22:32 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Imagine yourself in the role of me. I wanted to change the android app and ran into problems. Yes, I admit the idea that there is a mistake in the instructions, you do not need to treat everything based on the worst option. This should be the basic rule in the field of privacy. If it was a DODGE wallet, I wouldn't say a word
10:22:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fails at missing keys 
10:23:00 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: stop, error in my words ^
10:23:30 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: you need to treat everything based on the worst option*
10:23:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well, thats after fixing the dependencies with pythonispython3 and more 
10:23:45 <rbrunner> "Imagine yourself in the role of me" I can assure you that the very first thing I would do is *not* write "Take down that harmful software from getmonero.org"
10:24:27 <rbrunner> keys for what?
10:24:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exchange partner integrations 
10:25:06 <rbrunner> Sigh.
10:26:20 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: All you're trying to do is be malicious and win the argument. Do you think such delays are the right behavior? I don't think developers are obligated to something, they are free to do what they want. However, if we are engaged in protecting user privacy and our community is saturated with people protecting it, that such behavior is unacceptable.
10:28:00 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Any user should be able not only to check the code, but also to build an application on their own. This is the maximum level of privacy that should be available to users.
10:28:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Malicious by stating facts? 
10:29:54 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: If the code is harmful, or for some reason it is not compiled, then the ultimate goal in the form of maximum privacy is not achieved. Isn't that why we're here? Judging by the link I sent, I am not the only person who could not build the application.
10:30:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> And enough with the putting words in my mouth.
10:30:31 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: I'm not telling you
10:30:52 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: i telling rbrunner
10:32:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Any user should be able not only to check the code, but also to build an application on their own. This is the maximum level of privacy that should be available to users.
10:32:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're free to fork elitewallet 
10:32:26 <rbrunner> I take that "All I do here is malicous" as a compliment and turn to other things for today.
10:32:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> They made sure to delete the commit history and upload binarys as dependencies 
10:32:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> But hey, its easy to build!
10:33:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binaries** (not Mr fates)
10:33:48 <rbrunner> I delayed the truth coming to light for a full, oh, 3 hours. Cake will pay me handsomly for that :)
10:34:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> After me rbrunner!
10:34:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Speaking of which, aremor did a tl as well. Not sure what happened with that....
10:35:12 <TheDisruptiveCol> <cockliuser[m]> "It has WOW" <- i hodl some WOW, i've tried to dump it recently but can't find anywhere with enough liquidity lol   
10:36:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tradeogre, no? 
10:37:56 <TheDisruptiveCol> Yeah, i've never used it before.    Someone recommended it the other day so i signed up, will try this weekend.   
10:38:35 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Reading these dialogues, I begin to fear for the Monero. I talk about shortcomings, and in response I get sarcasm and attempts to justify bad practice. It is unlikely that this will lead to good.
10:38:41 <TheDisruptiveCol> Stack wallet is my goto because i'm split across a few privacy coins, XMR, WOW, PART, PIVX  
10:39:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Zhoska, I just scrolled back.
10:39:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're twisting everything 
10:39:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> You were told in the beginning by cockli, dudnt understand, moo told you, and youre now just acting foolish
10:40:05 <TheDisruptiveCol> Aren't Elite, Stack etc all just based on Cake?   
10:40:19 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: There may be translation shortcomings, but the main idea is clear.
10:40:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stack has a lot of fresh code, elite if old trash
10:40:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is*
10:41:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> > It has secret data (such as private api keys) built in as moneromooo pointed out
10:41:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Zhoska
10:41:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> You also said cake has a non public build. It is public on GitHub actions.
10:41:31 <TheDisruptiveCol> Stack supports Particl which is why i chose it.  Also i was able to build it myself.     
10:43:02 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: build*
10:48:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fake, for example, doesnt know HOW to host an fdroid build server, but anyone is free to host one, to fork cake and submit to fdroid etc.
10:49:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> People like to complain more than doing stuff. It builds. Reproducible builds are perhaps the first issue on the git when they went open source
10:50:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/Fake/Cake
11:08:00 <ceetee[m]> idk about reproducible builds, I just want automatic updates of cake without the play store :(
11:08:57 <ceetee[m]> both stack an monerujo have repos that can be loaded in the froid app
11:09:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Me 2. Which is why I looked into fdroid build server but gave up. 
11:09:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> They were going to do like stack and monerujo, and host the binaries.. but Yknow people would be all over cake if they did 
11:21:51 <TheDisruptiveCol> Once you have a environment setup its not that difficult, i just use a 20.04 VM 
11:22:10 <TheDisruptiveCol> for building that is, i'm not providing binaries to anyone.   
11:27:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://f-droid.org/docs/Installing_the_Server_and_Repo_Tools/
11:27:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ?
12:11:49 <Infinity8_> ofrnxmr[m]: yes. thank you
12:18:13 <cockliuser[m]> <TheDisruptiveCol> "i hodl some WOW, i've tried to..." <- lol tradeogre stopped deposits for wow
12:18:30 <cockliuser[m]> "maintenance" 
12:18:52 <cockliuser[m]> no more depositing and selling, only buying
12:18:53 <cockliuser[m]> very bullish
12:19:09 <TheDisruptiveCol> its not bullish if i can't crystalize though gains anywhere haha 
12:19:22 <TheDisruptiveCol> s/though/those/
12:19:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> When dud they disable ? Wow has HF coming up
12:20:23 <cockliuser[m]> like 2 days ago
12:20:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably related 
12:21:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://git.wownero.com/wownero/wownero/releases/tag/v0.11.0.0
13:35:12 <cockliuser[m]> Is impossible to create a view only wallet with a subaddress? 
13:35:22 <cockliuser[m]> * Is it impossible to
13:58:16 <plowsof11> Private view key + primary address
16:19:10 <plowsof11> McDWiFiLvr: sorry for inactivity, monerodtxproxy i sentence you to providing 2 months of tech support 
19:15:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Somebody call ghostbuster plowsof ghost  is back