04:25:02 <cockliuser[m]> I do hate the fact that it was declared they would have their own repo which led to the f-droid RFP being closed 
04:26:27 <cockliuser[m]> I wonder what the point of secrets are if they get loaded into memory anyway
04:26:54 <cockliuser[m]> * was declared in the Cake F-Droid issue that they would
05:54:29 <dANBs[m]> FriendlyResidentCynic[xmpp]: which irc server is this chat hosted on?
06:25:17 <Rec[m]> libera.chat I think
09:17:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> cockliuser: one of these days ill get around to it, maybe 
09:37:10 * BigmenPixel[m] uploaded an image: (8KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/JCivhThbvvDfPQqPfLjztIbc/image.png >
09:37:10 <BigmenPixel[m]> Hello, I want to open my wallet, but get this problem:
09:37:21 <BigmenPixel[m]> Button is inactive.
09:38:55 <BigmenPixel[m]> I use my phrase.
09:40:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not available for 30mins or so, not sure how to fix but can look into  it in a few if someone else doesnt get to it first 
09:41:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any other info you can gather in the meantime would be useful.. any recent changed to setup, last time use you used the wallet?
09:42:25 <BigmenPixel[m]> I can't even open it at Monerujo. I will try at Featherwallet.
09:51:47 <BigmenPixel[m]> Hm, it works...
09:54:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Restoring from seed?
09:54:31 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yes
09:54:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> How many words is the seed
09:54:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> 16?
09:54:48 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: 25
09:55:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> 25 word seed should work in monerujo, gui, anything. Not only feather
09:55:43 <BigmenPixel[m]> Monerujo was working, but now I can't open created wallet there...
09:55:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Perhaps you mistyped a word on gui and monerujo
09:55:55 <BigmenPixel[m]> * can't open the created wallet
09:55:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> BigmenPixel[m]: Monerujo is kind of broken 
09:56:00 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Why?
09:56:07 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I copied.
09:57:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Occasionally corrupts wallets and such. Not sure why.
09:57:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> But restoring in gui should be a straightforward process. Is this your first time running gui on your os?
09:58:16 <BigmenPixel[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Occasionally corrupts wallets and such. Not sure why.
09:58:16 <BigmenPixel[m]> > 
09:58:16 <BigmenPixel[m]> > But restoring in gui should be a straightforward process. Is this your first time running gui on your os?
09:58:16 <BigmenPixel[m]> No, I already have 2 wallets there.
09:58:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hm.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/befd42a7de6ae3b3bbb3a6910cacf1b7c901fb2d>)
09:59:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are these the correct steps to try to reproduce your issue?
09:59:41 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I think yes.
10:02:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Working fine here.
10:03:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Menu > close open wallet > restore wallet from seed > enter seed and correct restore height or date > enter password > screen shows wallet details and create wallet button is active 
10:03:33 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I just now tried to create a wallet again and this works.
10:04:26 <BigmenPixel[m]> But I would like to know what was this...
10:06:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  any idea what circumstances the button would be greyed?
10:07:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> <BigmenPixel[m]> "image.png" <- Are you running windows?
10:07:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your buttons looks different than mine
10:07:17 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: No, Linux (flatpak).
10:07:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right right. I forgot
10:08:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im running the binaries. Maybe a flatpak hiccup / not able to access storage or something
10:09:40 <BigmenPixel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: It has the needed permission for this.
10:16:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, but flatpaks are permissioned. It could have been an bug with the permissioning. Im not to to speed on desktop implementations, so my knowledge on the matter is admittedly limited.
10:16:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> The fact that "just doing it again" worked, leads me to believe it was a) user error b) a hard to reproduce bug
10:18:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Are you using flatseal or overrides?
10:20:45 <BigmenPixel[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Yes, I only moved the Monero folder to `~/.var/app/org.getmonero.Monero/Monero`.
10:49:51 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: Can the space before the first word affect this? Or somewhere else (As an option)
10:52:03 <dANBs[m]> ZHOSKA[xmpp]: ((I don't remember how applications react to spaces, I know that typos in words are marked))
12:10:39 <plowsof11> Want to restore a wallet using gui but create wallet button not available? Which boxes are red / are there copy and paste errors ( trailing spaces, hm)
12:12:56 <plowsof11> Stripping new line from restore height needed to be patched in the gui, maybe restore seed is the same BigmenPixel 
12:19:16 <BigmenPixel[m]> I copied the phrase several times, it was written correctly.
12:20:34 <plowsof11> Try removing the 25th word
12:22:10 <BigmenPixel[m]> plowsof11: Now it already works, I just don’t know why it didn’t work.
12:22:26 <plowsof11> Ctrl+v maybe a newline char somewhere , not sure though
12:23:15 <plowsof11> Restore height needed this fix.. maybe seed also, id have to check 
13:28:27 <utis> is it no longer possible to use a 256-bit payment id with monero-wallet-cli?
13:28:45 <moneromooo> Yes.
13:29:26 <utis> yes it's possible or yes it is not possible?
13:29:36 <moneromooo> It is no longer possible.
13:31:26 <utis> ok, i got the impression last time i was here that it was possible somehow to attach 256 bits to a transaction (in order publicly to timestamp a hash)
13:32:55 <moneromooo> It is possible. It'll be accepted by the daemon and other nodes. The wallet will not generate one though, you'll have to revert the patch(es) which removed the ability.
13:34:23 <utis> ok.  will this always be possible?
13:35:22 <moneromooo> I do not know. The field in which it is held might be removed at some point, there is discussion about this without a clear consensus for now.
13:36:23 <moneromooo> There will be other ways to carry a 256 bit value which can be made public though, if that field does get removed.
13:38:13 <utis> what do you think is the best way?
13:39:29 <moneromooo> Do you want to prove that timestamp to a few parties, or to everyone at large ?
13:40:28 <utis> i think everyone is fine, since it's just a hash
13:40:43 <moneromooo> Then a 256 bit payment id is probably best.
13:41:38 <utis> it would also be nice if it were future proof . .
13:42:18 <moneromooo> That transaction will be able to be decoded and checked in the future, regardless of whether the field holding payment id goes.
13:42:56 <moneromooo> You would just be unable to prove more timestamps using that method.
13:43:48 <moneromooo> Also, since it's not a primary goal of monero, it cannot really be future proof, since you're misusing things really.
13:48:42 <utis> i suppose splitting the hash in 4 is also an option
13:49:45 <utis> what did you have in mind for proving only to a select few?
13:53:49 <moneromooo> Using the hash as an address, sending some token amount to that address, then creating a spend proof which you'd give those people.
13:54:37 <moneromooo> Along with the original hash. They can then check the destination address corresponds to the hash (after reducing if necessary).
13:54:57 <moneromooo> It's more complex, but allows your tx to not stand out from others on the chain.
13:55:29 <moneromooo> And something similar is very likely to always be doable in the future. Though the specifics may change.
14:07:11 <utis> thanks.  a more basic question, if i may: isn't the format of the now allowed payment id 16 hexadecimals?  i'm getting `error: invalid last argument'
14:10:27 <moneromooo> 64 bits, 4 bits per hex digit, so... 16, yes.
14:11:11 <moneromooo> It's encrypted on the chain, so people will not see what payment id you used (unless they're the receiver).
14:11:48 <moneromooo> Though technically you could send it unencrypted. I suppose if it's a hash of a document split in 4, it'd be indistinguishable in practice.
14:35:55 <utis> thanks, moneromooo 
15:36:19 <moneraut[m]> I am reading about TxTangle. These things are not implemented, right ?
15:36:41 <moneraut[m]> s/These/This/, s/things/feature/
17:06:19 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> any good p2p sites
17:07:07 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> with no kyc
17:11:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exchanges?
17:12:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> I know plenty of no kyc sites, and p2p sites.
17:12:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you want exchange, you further need to if you need to spend cash or if youre spending crypto.
17:13:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cash > crypto = localmonero or bisq
17:13:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Crypto > crypto = many 
17:13:27 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> just to buy or sell crypto p2p
17:13:55 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> yeah they are only BTC
17:14:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> So..
17:14:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> cash?
17:14:32 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> some kind of form or cash
17:14:33 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> giftcard voucher etc
17:14:39 <plowsof11> visa? Mastercard?
17:14:45 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> buy cash is fine
17:15:01 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> but cash is fine example kucoin
17:15:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> bridgerton[m]: Cakepay 
17:15:03 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> or binance
17:15:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can buy gift cards using cakepay 
17:15:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero > giftcsrd. Can do it on the fly too. 0 conf, takes seconds 
17:16:06 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> yea looked that one up already
17:16:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> So why did you ask about giftcards if you had ya answer  
17:16:40 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> really trying to put down that fee so an exchange like binance or kucoin
17:16:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> You get 3% off on giftcsrds 
17:17:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're not going tl be able to cash out of Monero into cash at a better rate AFAIK
17:17:09 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> to sell giftcards for crypto
17:17:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sell giftcsrds for crypto? Now what in the world are we talking about 
17:17:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lets starts at the beginning 
17:17:45 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> to high fees
17:17:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your Goal?
17:18:12 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> selling giftcards are like 10% or more
17:18:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> What r ya talking about
17:18:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Goal?
17:18:55 <plowsof11> I want to sell my Bennys giftcard for montero. Pls advise
17:19:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> What is your goal here. What are you trying to accomplish? Selling giftcards?
17:20:05 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> binance or kucoin p2p way to buy and sell crypto
17:20:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Alrighty
17:20:26 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> selling giftcard is no good
17:20:26 <plowsof11> Lol
17:20:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe youre not getting our messages 
17:20:27 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> 10% fees
17:20:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ping
17:20:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep, no pong.
17:21:11 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> so you can sell $100 giftcard for $100 in crypto then think about that
17:22:17 <plowsof11> You sell at a 5-10% markup if you're not dumb
17:22:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> bridgerton[m]: Cakepay? Yes
17:22:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> You?. ... im sure you dont have partnerships that allow you discounts due to volume
17:23:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Me? Confused wtf were flaking about. Is water still wet yall?
17:23:05 <plowsof11> Cake pay also has preloaded virtual / physical mastercards
17:23:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure. Please advise.
17:23:51 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> all it looks like is just google play and apple
17:24:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> What??
17:24:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Use full sentences please 
17:25:14 <plowsof11> Probably a bridge delay (he is digesting  the localmonero comment currently)
17:33:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> gnuteardrops:  ♥️
17:36:59 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> there is no option to sell giftcards on cakepay and if you do then you are not selling it for more then the card $ for buyers who buy the giftcard get up to 3% cheaper
17:37:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes sir. You're asking about churning / laundering gift cards
17:38:01 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> ?
17:38:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selling gift cards? Yeah, you sell them to the store that they are meant for at 100% of the value of the card 
17:38:40 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> someone said you can sell giftcard at a mark up with is not true
17:38:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> "You" cant
17:38:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cakepay most definitely can 
17:39:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Er
17:39:25 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> there is no option to sell giftcard on cakepay
17:39:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Actually, no, nobody said you can sell at at markUP
17:39:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> I said cake will sell TO you at a markDOWN
17:39:54 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> <plowsof>
17:39:54 <bridgerton[m]> BOT
17:39:54 <bridgerton[m]>  — Today at 1:22 PM
17:39:54 <bridgerton[m]> You sell at a 5-10% markup if you're not dumb
17:40:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> "You get 3% off on giftcsrds "
17:40:48 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> here
17:40:55 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> said sell at a mark up
17:40:55 <plowsof11> Put up an offer on localmonero to sell your giftcard and see if anyone bites
17:41:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Want a markUP? Coincards.com
17:41:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coincards charged 3-5% markUP
17:42:02 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> ok
17:42:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> So whatever your insuinating isnt even a topic - what are we even talking about?
17:42:09 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> yea it is just a question
17:42:32 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> of somewhere to buy sell crypto p2p like Binance and Kucoin
17:42:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sell crypto =/= sell gift cards...
17:43:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you want to sell crypto or sell gift cards? 
17:43:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Need some sort of goal or at least direction before you can move towards it
17:44:10 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> looking for any options to do so with little or no fees
17:44:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selling crypto for CASH? Bisq or locslmonero
17:44:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selling crypto for GIFTCARDS = cakepay
17:44:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> selling crypto for crypto = many exchanges 
17:46:19 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> yea just staying away from BTC for they are to high fees
17:46:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selling for gift cards is potentially the highest dollar value you'll receive for the crypto. In some cases youd spend 97$ worth of xmr for 100$ worth of giftcards.
17:48:46 <vikCake[m]> Cake has no markup on gift cards.  US ones are actually discounted 1-3%
17:49:27 <vikCake[m]> <plowsof11> "Cake pay also has preloaded..." <- and now you can add to apple pay and google/samsung pay.
17:49:51 <vikCake[m]> mastercards that is.  up to $1000 cards and $10k daily :)
17:50:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^^ yup
17:53:04 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> ya cakepay is for only buying giftcard not selling
18:05:58 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> how are you all sending message as a BOT?
18:12:54 <Awaru> hi does someone want to sell me monero on localmonero?
18:12:56 <Awaru> i need 2-3 xmr
18:23:02 <BoBeR182> How will you pay?
18:24:53 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> why does it say BOT for the message
18:27:02 <merope> Because you are on discord and we are on Matrix. The two chats are bridged together through a bot (on the discord side)
18:35:27 <PredatorONormies> And I'm on IRC :D
18:35:38 <PredatorONormies> #elitism
18:36:09 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Y'all are badass
18:37:34 <Awaru> BoBeR182, EU sepa bank transfer
18:37:45 <Awaru> (instant)
18:37:47 <BoBeR182> not in EU zone sorry
18:37:55 <Awaru> oh i see
18:38:13 <Awaru> i found one but he want a picture of my name with my username written on a paper
18:38:25 <Awaru> now i realize i dont have a pen
18:40:46 <BoBeR182> lol
18:40:48 <moneromooo> Have a knife ? Write in blood.
18:40:50 <BoBeR182> use blood
18:42:31 <Awaru> now it would be advantageous to be an octopus
19:00:16 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 161: February 23 - March 4, 2023. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-161.html
19:14:34 <uncle_rae> \o/
19:14:40 <uncle_rae> gracias 
19:20:41 <great_taste> so there are 3 different chats merged together?
19:26:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do I see telegram? Maybe 4
19:27:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmpp, irc, discord, matrix, telegram?
20:03:26 <merope> No telegram here
20:28:25 <great_taste> damn
20:42:28 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> oh well I cant see my BOT name what is that
20:42:53 <bridgerton[m]> <Mad Gainz> not sure it works for me
21:00:38 <xfedex[m]> Hello, not sure if this is the right channel, but signature for hashes on https://gupax.io/ is not valid with Hinto Janaiyo's signature (fingerprint 2A8F...)
21:00:51 <xfedex[m]> perhaps I'm doing something wrong?
21:26:15 <moneromooo> Is this monero related ? If not, not the right place. Those names don't ring a bell but you never know :)
21:26:50 <rbrunner> "Gupax is a cross-platform GUI for mining Monero on P2Pool using XMRig"
21:27:12 <rbrunner> All the right buzzwords :)
21:28:05 <moneromooo> Good thing I asked then :S Nevermind.
21:34:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> That is by communities Hinto
21:36:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> An in progress CCS. Pinged in #monero-community:monero.social 
22:29:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> For those interested: The sha256sums match 
22:48:19 <hv-bridge> <MatGlad> bro help how to disable the miner in monero
23:37:42 <Awaru> .val 0.05 eth
23:37:42 <Wallet> Awaru: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
23:37:43 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$78.2873 • ≈ value of: 0.05 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:37:49 <Awaru> .val 0.0504
23:37:51 <Awaru> .val 0.0504 eth
23:37:51 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$78.9136 • ≈ value of: 0.0504 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:45:09 <Awaru> .val 75 usdt eth
23:45:21 <Awaru> .val 75 usd eth
23:45:22 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈0.05 ETH • ≈ value of: 75 USD • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:45:30 <Awaru> .val 0.05 eth usd
23:45:30 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$78.3028 • ≈ value of: 0.05 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:45:38 <Awaru> fu
23:45:47 <Awaru> thats 78 not 75
23:46:02 <Awaru> .val 0.055 eth usd
23:46:02 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$86.1330 • ≈ value of: 0.055 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:46:07 <Awaru> .val 0.045 eth usd
23:46:07 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$70.4725 • ≈ value of: 0.045 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:46:14 <Awaru> .val 0.044 eth usd
23:46:14 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$68.9064 • ≈ value of: 0.044 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:46:20 <Awaru> .val 0.0445 eth usd
23:46:20 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$69.6895 • ≈ value of: 0.0445 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:46:27 <Awaru> .val 0.0446 eth usd
23:46:27 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$69.8461 • ≈ value of: 0.0446 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
23:46:35 <Awaru> .val 0.0447 eth usd
23:46:35 <Wallet> Awaru: ≈$70.0027 • ≈ value of: 0.0447 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm