04:23:31 <smathy[m]> TWrecks: the mentor wrote a robot that you were being paid by your job to write?
04:27:20 <TWrecks[m]> smathy[m]: No I wrote it, he gave me direction about architecture and such.
04:27:57 <TWrecks[m]> The point is, if you want to code for a job first you need a good mentor.
04:28:41 <smathy[m]> Yeah.  I've hired many early/first-time devs, but we've always had internal mentoring culture/programs.
04:29:23 <TWrecks[m]> Yeah there's no other way to go about it honestly. Like I'm still not very good at coding, but I wouldn't be employable without his help.
04:30:44 <smathy[m]> Yeah, I mean mentors come in many different shapes, but I agree.
05:08:51 <selsta> DanIsnotthemanBr: porting an iOS app to a Mac app is easier than writing a complete Linux desktop app from scratch
12:08:59 <crowstick[m]> I have not opened my GUI for a while but I am going back now to add some XMR and I get the following problem which I never had before. When logging in it says: "Couldn't open wallet: Internal error: 'my XMR file' is open by another wallet program" Can anyone help?
12:09:57 <crowstick[m]> I am using a Mac and a Trezor to log into my existing wallet.
12:11:39 <moneromooo> As it says. You're likely running another wallet program with that wallet file loaded. Exit it.
12:14:01 <crowstick[m]> I have nothing else running and have restarted my computer just to make sure. Besides, I only have on XMR wallet. I don't know what else could be using it... Hmmm
12:14:20 <crowstick[m]> s/on/one/
12:17:27 <moneromooo> What filesystem is this wallet file on ?
12:18:33 <crowstick[m]> It's on a removable Micro SD
12:22:20 <moneromooo> So.. ext3 maybe ? Nothing uncommon ?
12:22:36 <moneromooo> Or default windows whatever ?
12:36:03 <crowstick[m]> The problem is solved. I deleted a file that the GUI created on my computer that I was unaware of. It was essentially a duplicate of the login on my SD card and it automatically connected to it when I updated the GUI I assume. When I entered through my SD card, the error occurred. 
18:35:17 <sgp[m]> Am I missing anything in this guide? https://guides.cakewallet.com/docs/tutorials/mobile-hardening/
19:26:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fyi apple vpn does leak
19:26:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Not everything is routed through it
19:27:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And maybe “orbot ( android only)”
19:49:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Invizible > Orbot for android
19:49:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Handles tor and dns
20:07:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Dns quad9
20:07:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> U can use wiry invizible while also using tor
20:08:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Orbot is all or nothing vpn mode, or special integrations. Cant use dns over https system setting + orbot
20:08:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Orbot vpn overrides
20:10:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Invisible is a dns app, that sends either all or specific apps to tor, the rest to the chosen dns (dnscrypt or DOH).
20:10:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because its a dns app, it also intercepts all onion and I2p addresses automagically. So you can install inviz and just add an onion node to cake, and the onion node will work. 
20:11:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or set the it manually (same as orbot in vpn mode but only for selected apps)
20:11:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> But has the added plus of being able to use the dns of your choose for clearnet stuff 
20:11:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> The full / pro version is available in fdroid 
20:20:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So dns splits
20:20:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Inviz is basically a dns proxy 
20:20:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * So it dns splits
20:21:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> That intercepts requests and forwards to the tor daemon that it runs, I2p, or the dns you've chosen
20:22:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> For dns i just use nextdns, cause ios has fck all for tor
20:24:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Inviz has quad, next, adguard a bunch
20:26:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> And you can set multiple, and it will select the fastest ping from your choices.
20:26:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally I use Google dns (jk). 
20:26:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> It has 11 or 12 quad9 dns entries for examolem 
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20:40:11 <sgp[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "And maybe “orbot ( android only)..." <- Orbot is no longer android only :)
20:41:00 <sgp[m]> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/orbot/id1609461599
21:19:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Its all or nothing
21:19:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Cant select app
21:19:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Creates a vpn
21:19:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Which leaks
21:19:53 <sgp[m]> In this example that's fine, no? You're using the phone just for cake, not a bunch of other rando crap simultaneously
21:21:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://protonvpn.com/blog/apple-ios-vulnerability-disclosure/
21:21:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe disclaimer
21:24:27 <sgp[m]> > Internet connections established after you connect to VPN are not affected. But connections that are already running when you connect to VPN may continue outside the VPN tunnel indefinitely.
21:24:59 <sgp[m]> Should I add on iOS to force close Cake before activating Orbot? Does that address these issues?
21:26:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id probably not recommend ios as a hardened device, since it seems it cant be?
21:27:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> > certain DNS queries from Apple services can still be sent from outside the VPN connection.
21:27:45 <sgp[m]> Those aren't cake-initiated queries though right?
21:27:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right 
21:27:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just the os ignoring your vpn
21:28:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Could be apple telemetry who knows
21:28:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Walled garden:/
21:28:55 <sgp[m]> I don't want to go too deep into the "iOS is always unsafe" idea, this isn't really the blog post for that imo. It's about making sure the Cake-related interactions are hardened
21:29:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> It goes pretty deep on the dedicated device thing though 
21:29:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> And id argue only certain android devices for that bill
21:29:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You would have activate vpn or orbot and then open cake
21:29:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ie, rooted devices running graphene etc
21:30:03 <sgp[m]> I recommend people sync over clearnet then activate orbot after, so I'll add a note about force closing to be safe
21:30:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Honestly gos or divestos
21:30:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> On android, if you use invizible.. you done have to turn things on and off
21:30:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont*
21:31:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Onions just work, clearnet just works 
21:31:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> This is where wireshark  app would help see what data is leaked :/
21:31:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pcapdroid
21:31:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> And pcapdroid MITM
21:32:02 <sgp[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: that would force monero syncing over Tor for cake though, right?
21:32:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nope. It allows clearnet, and intercepts onions and sends them to tor
21:32:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> So if you run it with everything clearnet, it works. If you switch to onions, they work too
21:33:00 <sgp[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: So set fiat and exchange to tor only and use clearnet own node, and that works for best of both worlds?
21:33:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> And it ignores local addresses, so that also works 
21:33:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes sir
21:33:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Is this targeted at basic knowledge level?
21:33:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> The guide
21:33:28 <sgp[m]> Generally basic, yes
21:34:45 <sgp[m]> How much is InviZible Pro on Google Play
21:35:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its free on fdroid 
21:35:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> In app purchases and stuff on Google play
21:35:36 <sgp[m]> that's not what I asked haha
21:36:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Apk it
21:37:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> The apk is downloadable from fdroid website directly 
21:37:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not sure the limitations of lite version, which is free. 
21:37:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> But nobody should be using the google play version 
21:37:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Of your using gos they wont use google playstore for it
21:37:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/Of/If/
21:38:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://f-droid.org/en/packages/pan.alexander.tordnscrypt.stable/
21:38:25 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Don’t want to tell google your using xmr
21:47:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Google playvversion, for example, lilely has license checks 
21:52:05 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And ios is linked to account. Might have to put disclaimers
21:54:10 <sgp[m]> ofrnxmr: what do you think of the changes: https://guides.cakewallet.com/docs/tutorials/mobile-hardening/
21:54:45 <sgp[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Telling people that Apple learns when you download Cake Wallet from their own store is out of scope of this article, and should be obvious
23:03:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Well if you suggest fdriod over google store then your at that level of disclosure
23:44:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can block ads *... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2b5df9eae80e200b716196d6cd3ebcbe28f13177>)
23:45:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> * ^ this is why you dont use google play versions of anything when possible 
23:45:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of Ffs. I edit that by accident
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23:46:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gplay doesnt allow adblockers, so the dns stuff is crippled in gplay version