03:44:59 <masterdebater> hey does monero use 0-conf? settling a debate with a friend
03:45:06 <masterdebater> like if you release a conflicting transaction later with a higher fee, will it be mined instead?
03:56:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> <masterdebater> "like if you release a conflictin..." <- This is RBF aka replace by fee - no. This is not s feature of monero 
03:56:47 <masterdebater> so monerod will only mine the first tx it sees, even if it has a lower fee
03:58:07 <masterdebater> but if it gets in a block it just accepts it?
03:58:33 <masterdebater> I am wondering what happens if a user re-transmits their transaction in a 51% attack
03:59:12 <masterdebater> because the attacker would want to disregard 0-conf and mine it, right?
04:04:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> A 51% attack to revert transactions involves splitting the chain and essentially erasing tx from the new chain
04:04:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Has nothing to do with confirmations 
04:06:03 <masterdebater> yeah but wouldn't the tx be in the mempool
04:10:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> En eli5 on how to perform a double spend attack: chapgpt or google
04:10:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or youtube
04:10:52 <masterdebater> :)
04:11:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> What youre asking is "how to perform a 51% attack"
04:11:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> The Tldr is, if it was easy to perform, it would happen all the time when pools have > 51%, but it doesnt
04:15:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Possible, but not as easy as "somehow resubmit tx".
04:15:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Something like.. Youd need to mine your own tx while owning 51% to respend the 0 conf. Youd also wipe out some innocent bystander tx, but thats not relevant to the 0 conf question. 
04:16:10 <masterdebater> Are transactions tied to the last block's hash or something
04:16:20 <masterdebater> or are they just free to be re-organized by an attacker
04:16:34 <masterdebater> I think that is my mistake
04:17:12 <masterdebater> My friend says that attacker and spenders could co-operate in a 51% attack, because attackers want to profit the most or cause the most chaos, and senders want to double spend and screw over vendors
04:31:59 <xmrseller[m]> Hello. I'd like to sell on Localmonero. Are there any reported issues selling in US? Federal law allows 1k/user/day without money services license. Are states not tracking cash-by-mail addresses? 
04:35:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://youtu.be/01a7HAkEK3I?t=73 masterdebater: 
04:35:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmrseller:  I think USPS doesnt open your mail (?)
04:35:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> But there's nothing stopping you from giving your address to a policy enforcer 
04:40:35 <xmrseller[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "xmrseller:  I think USPS..." <- They aren't supposed to unless it's an investigation, but the address listed on the site could be enough for that. 
04:41:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think youd send the address into to the buyer manually 
04:41:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not posted publicly. But if you give it to a fed.. well, youre out of luck then right
04:41:54 <xmrseller[m]> Yes, but what stops an agent from doing so? I don't mean to sound paranoid, but is it not trivial for them as well?
04:41:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> People use po boxes and other anon delivery services etc
04:42:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmrseller[m]:  Nothing. If your laws say you can sell, you have nothing to hide right?
04:42:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Localmonero is just Craigslist for crypto
04:43:07 <spackle_xmr[m]> https://www.uspis.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/USPIS-FAQs.pdf... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5d1124eafd97823340b5f471e8f98f59f0e03228>)
04:43:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank you spackle_xmr: 
04:45:01 <xmrseller[m]> Yeah, it's not about legality of the crypto. Money Services Businesses require licensure. Feds "don't care" so long as it's 1k/person/day. States can have their own requirements. I'm wondering if this has yet to be enforced or if anyone is registered
04:45:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont register my garage sales 
04:45:35 <xmrseller[m]> That's true
04:45:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> State can lick mah ballz if they think in selling something. Monero is must Minecraft money
04:45:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just*
04:47:44 <xmrseller[m]> A ticking time bomb if any agency does look at Localmonero. I wonder who they'd go after first. 
04:47:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> As far as laws go, you should always look into your local laws etc, and gusts whether you care 😆
04:50:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is monero even legal to be sold by msb in your state? If not.. well.. then its not money, is it (?)
04:51:25 <masterdebater> monero doesn't even exist
04:51:45 <masterdebater> I will sell you monero for really cheap
04:51:57 <masterdebater> but it's on testnet
04:51:59 <masterdebater> :)
04:53:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> masterdebater: Perfect example 
04:53:25 <masterdebater> xmrseller the term usually used is "sting operation"
04:53:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whats the diff? XMR, txmr its all just fake Minecraft money 
04:53:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> townforge
04:54:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont Fkn dare trade townforge items
04:54:15 <masterdebater> almost any illegal service can be stopped by sting operations
04:54:17 <xmrseller[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: MSB fed laws cover any exchange of fiat. All states generally do the same but most don't list a transaction amount limits for required registration.
04:54:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Better report that shit or uncle Sam is coming 
04:54:28 <masterdebater> it's like a fundamental rule of life
04:54:36 <masterdebater> just like how any mixnet can be stopped by correlation attacks
04:54:46 <masterdebater> it's all probabalistic
04:54:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmrseller[m]: Mdb covers a garage sale? Corner store? Pizza shop?
04:55:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> I though msb meant exchange of ccurrencies
04:55:47 <xmrseller[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Any exchange of fiat related to properties and securities.
04:56:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Properties such as pizza?
04:56:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I could Google, but where I am msb is only bank like businesses
04:56:51 <xmrseller[m]> Crypto is still defined as an asset regardless of the big Monero larp
04:56:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesn't include retail 
04:56:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> > <@xmrseller:matrix.org> Crypto is still defined as an asset regardless of the big Monero larp
04:56:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> > 
04:56:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> XMR isnt an asset 
04:57:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its garbage 
04:57:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its a liability 
04:57:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> churn and burn
04:57:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont put words in my mouth officer. If xmr was a asset, id trade it in binance
04:57:36 <masterdebater> xmrseller I think the big idea is that eventually monero (and others) will be so ubiquitous that it will be like selling weed
04:57:37 <masterdebater> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pj8ws005N4
04:57:40 <masterdebater> ^
04:57:43 <masterdebater> interesting talk
04:58:02 <masterdebater> sorry, *wheat*
04:58:05 <masterdebater> mincreaft wheat
04:58:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> grass*
04:59:10 <xmrseller[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: https://www.fincen.gov/fact-sheet-msb-registration-rule
04:59:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> > These businesses are (1) currency dealers or exchangers, (2) check cashers, (3) issuers of traveler’s checks or money orders, (4) sellers or redeemers of traveler’s checks or money orders, and (5) money transmitters
05:00:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont see Minecraft swords there 
05:00:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> "An official website of the United States Government" how official ?????
05:00:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> XMR doesnt transmit usd, it transmits byte and bytes. Just an encrypted email aka an enote
05:00:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Useless shit anybody. Money that cent be spent anywhere ? Lol
05:00:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> What country accepts this "currrency""
05:00:54 <xmrseller[m]> "This meant that companies who accepted virtual currency from one party to another party and vice versa, or exchange fiat currency for any digital currency, or even just accepted crypto from customers on behalf of a merchant, were considered money transmitters. 
05:00:54 <xmrseller[m]> However, individuals and businesses who simply exchanged cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin for products and services, and vice versa, were not. "
05:00:59 <xmrseller[m]> This is promising
05:01:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> but monero isnt a business 
05:01:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> its a way of life
05:01:37 <masterdebater> it's a religion
05:02:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> And monero isnt digital currency until the fed says "we love monero. Its d best cbdc"
05:02:16 <xmrseller[m]> Big larp aside. The individuals comment in that quote from the fed site is promising for protecting sellers on Localmonero.
05:02:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Til then, its just some Minecraft bullshit :). Might as well make me register to buy gas
05:03:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Issuers and sellers of stored value are included as MSBs, but they are not required to register at this time.
05:03:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Since im trading 1000000 a week to fill my tank with "a commodity"
05:03:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> btc?
05:03:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fiat for fuel
05:03:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Natural gas 
05:03:54 <xmrseller[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Is this quoted from an official source?
05:03:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Electric power 
05:04:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> yeah that link
05:04:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.fincen.gov/fact-sheet-msb-registration-rule
05:04:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> All im saying... is... when they put on on trial and say "HE HID HIS MONEROOOO". Im going to say "from you?? No shit"
05:05:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i'll just same 
05:05:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> no comment
05:05:25 <xmrseller[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Unfortunately It doesn't say that specifically for fiat and crypto, just services and products. 
05:06:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> it was created in 1997
05:06:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> These days if you want to buy crypto, they want nudes 
05:06:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably a lot more if you want to sell
05:07:00 <masterdebater> there is a debate on /biz/ discussing what would happen in a 51% attack, I am interested to hear what you all thing
05:07:02 <masterdebater> think
05:07:03 <masterdebater> https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/54061134
05:07:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont read 4chan
05:07:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> nudes wiith 2 fingers up
05:07:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because they dont dont do tech
05:07:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/wiith/with/
05:08:24 <masterdebater> 4channers are pretty bad with tech. /g/ is not as good as lainchan and other forums. I think it's because the people who have the most time to post are teenagers and NEETs.
05:08:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> R/darknet is terrible too
05:08:50 <masterdebater> but a lot of HN is /g/ lurkers
05:08:53 <masterdebater> I think
05:09:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i thought matrix was darknet??????????????????????????????????????
05:09:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> The biggest tinfoilwrs do the worst reasearch 
05:09:21 <masterdebater> matrix is federated
05:09:24 <masterdebater> it's fedposting
05:09:26 <masterdebater> in other words
05:09:35 <masterdebater> so is IRC actually
05:09:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Somehow miss the forest for the trees 
05:10:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Everything here is logged, unencrypted, and public 
05:10:17 <masterdebater> IRC is public like usenet is public
05:10:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero is private. Monero development and community are open
05:10:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> sold to google for a profit
05:10:35 <masterdebater> someone is probably crawling IRC as we speak
05:10:39 <masterdebater> look at all the lurkers
05:10:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
05:10:56 <masterdebater> I don't care if the NSA can see my dick pics to be honest
05:11:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its literally logged. We have a logging website that logs everything intentionally
05:11:05 <masterdebater> I forward all of them to the NSA
05:11:07 <masterdebater> BCC them
05:11:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> obfuscation 
05:11:30 <DanIsnotthemanBr> with BCC
05:12:11 <masterdebater> well I am just curious what do you guys think happens if an attacker can gain much greater than >51% CPU power? Do you think we would have to increase memory hardness of randomX or use more classical consensus or just have to rely on moneropulse or what
05:13:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> just scale up my K8 monerod
05:13:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/K8/K8s/
05:13:20 <masterdebater> I think any p2p classical consensus method will suck because you would get splits
05:13:31 <masterdebater> all the time, and as a vendor it's just chaos
05:13:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not true
05:13:58 <masterdebater> or what if you just had like signed miners
05:14:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not this convo again
05:14:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> masterdebater: Tldr: not possible, not. Happening 
05:14:35 <masterdebater> yeah but wouldn't it be crazy if it did
05:14:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> masterdebater: Its cslled proof of work for a reason 
05:14:59 <masterdebater> yeah I guess
05:15:04 <masterdebater> you think bitcoin will die due to selfish mining?
05:15:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> A 51% attack becomes harder to accomplish the larger the network is, and costlier 
05:15:12 <masterdebater> they really don't like tail emission
05:15:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> masterdebater: No, its already dead
05:15:47 <masterdebater> I just bought some bitcoin the other day, and some litecoin and BCH too
05:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should dump it all into xmr now :) haha
05:16:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Q. Do you mine any of those?
05:16:49 <masterdebater> yeah it's not so much diversifying as just having some on hand in case I need to make a transaction and they don't accept xmr. Like a lot of the VPS companies use really old bitpay or crap
05:17:11 <masterdebater> no I have like 20 cents worth of xmr I've mined off p2pool-mini
05:17:34 <masterdebater> If I meet any bitcoin/litecoin/whatever people in person I will trade with them
05:17:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Use trocador.app > payment mode, if you must.
05:17:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or Cake wallet > cakepay to pay directly with 0 conf :)
05:17:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Using gift csrds
05:17:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> masterdebater: That was a leading question 
05:17:48 <masterdebater> oh good point
05:18:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Q2. Can you mine any of those aforementioned coins?
05:18:12 <masterdebater> hell no
05:18:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, if youre worried about a 51% attack, who controls the hashrate of them?u
05:18:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anybody you know? 
05:18:36 <spackle_xmr[m]> An interesting thought for long term BTC security is imagining that users with large holdings will mine regardless of the block reward in order to protect their investment.
05:18:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anybody you trust?
05:18:52 <masterdebater> Yeah ASIC mining is more vulnerable I agree
05:19:02 <masterdebater> and generally not as fun :)
05:19:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> spackle_xmr[m]: Their investment will dwindle if tx fees dont keep miners mining 
05:19:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> And large pools sells everything 
05:19:29 <masterdebater> spackle_xmr I think it's a tragedy of the commons situation
05:19:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not many large miners hodl for long 
05:19:55 <spackle_xmr[m]> Certainly, but if the alternative is destruction then lots of things can make sense.
05:20:03 <masterdebater> well miners need to pay their electric bill and get new units, they depreciate fast
05:20:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> I really dont see it.
05:20:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont see any path where btc survives without absolute ridiculous inflation and brainwashing 
05:21:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> The loyal mine = hashrate drops and it gets 51% attacked
05:21:09 <masterdebater> it survives if they hard fork and copy monero
05:21:21 <masterdebater> but they don't have the community needed to do that
05:21:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Corporations were created just to mine. If its not profitable to mine, its profitable to attack
05:21:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> masterdebater: BTC hard fork? Not happening 
05:21:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats called bch
05:21:44 <masterdebater> oh it's happening
05:21:52 <masterdebater> you know about the 32 bit nTime?
05:22:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> And if the hr moved from btc > bch, it would 51% it
05:22:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> too many people fighting over btc forks
05:22:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> More like 95%
05:22:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
05:22:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> BTC isnt hfing lololool
05:22:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoin OG will keep the hr
05:22:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> And the fork will RIP like bch
05:22:44 <masterdebater> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/18182
05:23:01 <masterdebater> https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1558820994717974528
05:23:03 <masterdebater> bruh moment
05:23:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Uh
05:23:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, we all saw thst
05:23:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> And we use monero
05:23:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoin is dead and has been since 2012
05:23:41 <masterdebater> you heard about BTC sidechains?
05:23:50 <masterdebater> it's crazy what they will do to avoid hardfork
05:23:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why would I care.  Of course I have
05:24:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Have you heard about the multiple breeds of duck that live in the south east of Zimbabwe?
05:24:42 <masterdebater>  I have read about that
05:24:45 <masterdebater> in the times
05:24:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is that useful info? 
05:24:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lolol
05:24:49 <masterdebater> yes
05:25:10 <masterdebater> so is dread up
05:28:11 <spackle_xmr[m]> Solely focusing on mining, it is fun to imagine the possibilities. The future of PoW could extend past strict economics if there are social incentives. Perhaps the prestige of mining a recent block might drive people's efforts.
05:28:11 <spackle_xmr[m]> All speculative, of course. For now the brutal and simple rules of hash effort hold everything in place.
05:30:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Watching how huge some operations are that exit mining, with no noticable dip in hr, just shows that this is propped up BT n3cessity 
05:30:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> And its being funded by traders who buy the junk that cant  even be used 
05:32:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> But its not sustainable. Bitcoin is literally purging transactions from the mempool regularly now, and tx fees remain around 45c. The next halving will take a 300k revenue operation in the red to a 150k one, super in the red
05:34:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://youtu.be/I7ORgE5i9Uk I posted this somewhere before, but its a good story of a million dollar investment that couldnt make the roi
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10:11:56 <merope> <spackle_xmr[m]> "An interesting thought for..." <- Mining at a loss means that you are actively losing money. You're better off not mining at all. You're not protecting your investment, you're permanently burning your money to temporarily protect the network from attack. It's not sustainable
10:12:39 <merope> The whole point of PoW is that it's based on a financial incentive. That's what keeps the system in balance
10:18:06 <moneromooo> FWIW it's common to burn some of your money to protect the whole. Think buying a safe with some of it to put the rest in. At scale, paying security guards to guard the rest of your money. It can make sense depending on the circumstances.
11:23:35 <ceetee[m]> If you holding significant amounts, and you loose money below the rate of fiat inflation, it may be worthwhile. Problem is that you are incentivised to hope that others do exactly this for you, so you can hodl for free while the others pay the network cost
11:24:20 <ceetee[m]> or you know, you can have a tail emission, which is effectively a fee paid by all hodlers
11:27:48 <moneromooo> Communism to the rescue! :D
12:57:52 <spackle_xmr[m]> I am not saying any of that is destined to happen. I am just saying it isn't impossible, and it is fun to imagine. A lot of people are facing a long grind to zero (default) incentive, which has a lot of potential to be a very interesting show. Personally, I can't wait to see what happens.
12:57:52 <spackle_xmr[m]> Thankfully, tail emission requires no imagination at all.
18:48:08 <rooter0_> Trying to set up xmrig to mine, but no matter what I set "user": to I get Invalid wallet address.
18:49:46 <rooter0_> I set it all the way down to /home/paul/Monero/wallets/monero/monero, the actual wallt file, and it's still unhappy.
18:52:02 <rooter0_> Tryig to mine solo.  Does it want the gibberish string?
18:54:26 <sech1> xmrig.exe -o 127.0.0.1:18081 -a rx/0 -u WALLET_ADDRESS --daemon
18:54:33 <sech1> no need for config.json
18:55:00 <sech1> wait, you put file path in "user"?
18:55:28 <sech1> No, it should be wallet address - 95 characters that you use to receive XMR, you can see it in your wallet when you open it
18:58:51 <rooter0_> I used the xmrig wizard to make the config.  It doesn't give a clue.  So it sounds like I need the gibberishstring.  But how would xmrig find my wallet in my machine with that?
18:59:29 <rooter0_> https://xmrig.com/docs/miner/config/pool#user -- Your wallet address on most pools, consult your pool getting started page.
19:01:23 <rooter0_> In my wallet I don't find the gibberish string in Account or Settings...
19:06:45 <rooter0_> In Wallt|Settings|Info it says Wallet Path: /home/paul/Monero/wallets/monero/monero.keys -- but xmrig doesn't like that either.
19:10:37 <Snipa> It's looking for your wallet's address, if you've got the CLI open, it's "address" as a command.  The miner doesn't need to know your keys, as it's just using your wallet address in a call to the monero daemon to setup the coinbase txh.
19:10:39 <Snipa> *txn.
19:15:02 <rooter0_> But there is no 'address' json command.  When I use the xmrig Wizard it asks for the wallet address so I tried /home/paul, /home/paul/Monero. /home/paul/Monero/wallets, /home/paul/Monero/wallets/monero, and  /home/paul/Monero/wallets/monero/monero, the actual wallet file, and it's still unhappy. 
19:16:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nono
19:16:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rooter
19:16:31 <rooter0_> Also there's no xmrig --address switch.
19:16:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Have you ever sent or received xmr?
19:16:44 <rooter0_> No
19:17:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok. What wallet software are you using?
19:17:16 <rooter0_> Monero
19:17:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Where did you download the wallet 
19:17:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is it "Monero GUI"
19:17:49 <rooter0_> ... and trying touse xmrig to mine as I have a GPU and 64 CPUs.
19:18:09 <rooter0_> Yes monero-gui
19:18:35 <rooter0_> ... from getmonero
19:18:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Step 0 first please.
19:18:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lets not get ahead of ourselves 
19:18:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok.
19:18:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> In monero gui. ... in the left panel
19:18:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> It said "account", click that
19:20:01 <rooter0_> Yep.  All zeroes.
19:20:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> On that page it with show "primary account" with a long string of numbers and letters + a rename button + copy button
19:20:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> That is your address.
19:20:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Copy it
19:21:16 <rooter0_> Oh, that's obscured because my virtual machine window is small...
19:22:23 <rooter0_> Copied.
19:23:11 <rooter0_> So I guess that's what goes in 'user'.
19:26:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Corectt
19:28:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> "User": "4youraddress88Sjfbdkfjdnefkfbfjeffbkfjej",
19:28:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ line should look like this. Ie, make sure you dont delete the quotes or the comma 
19:29:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> lowercase "user"
19:29:33 <rooter0_> I see, the gibberish string.  Now that problem's fixed, but xmrig is saying, "Connection refused.
19:30:27 <rooter0_> This could be because of firewall.  I put "url": "127.0.0.1:18081 beause I'm solo.
19:30:30 <merope> Are you running the node on the same VM where you're running xmrig?
19:30:36 <rooter0_> Yes
19:30:50 <merope> Is the node fully synced?
19:31:16 <rooter0_> Eh, Idk.  xmrig is brand new, just compiled.
19:31:33 <rooter0_> It needs a diff blockchain than the wallet?
19:32:02 <merope> xmrig is just the mining software, I'm talking about monerod (that syncs the chain for the wallet as well)
19:32:24 <merope> monerod syncs the chain, and xmrig connects to monerod's rpc port
19:32:51 <rooter0_> monerod is fully synced.  Ohh
19:33:03 <rooter0_> Still need monerod.
19:33:15 <merope> The gui wallet should tell you if your node is syncing or is fully synchronized (bottom left)
19:33:47 <rooter0_> It's not connected as I thought monerod is no needed with xmrig.
19:34:39 <merope> Are you using the gui wallet with a remote node, then?
19:35:36 <rooter0_> monero-gui with local monerod.  But I had special settings to start monerod with a systemd.
19:36:35 <merope> Ok, make sure it is running
19:36:52 <merope> (monerod is running)
19:38:13 <rooter0_> It's not, with my 'special switches'...  ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/altcoind --config-file /media/altcoin/altcoind.conf --non-interactive --start-mining altcoin --mining-threads 49
19:38:48 <rooter0_> The systemd servce is running as the monero user and group.
19:39:21 <rooter0_> Starting as root should drop privs to monero.
19:40:22 <rooter0_> Oops it is now...  Loading checkpoints.
19:41:06 <rooter0_> Weird that xmrig connects through monerod.
19:41:23 <merope> --start-mining altcoin does not seem correct (unless 'altcoin' is the same wallet address that you have in your xmrig config now, and not the wallet address)
19:41:46 <rooter0_> 2023-03-14 19:41:24.199 W WARNING: no two valid DNS TXT records were received
19:41:48 <rooter0_> 2023-03-14 19:41:24.199 E Target account address altcoin has wrong format, starting daemon canceled
19:42:35 <merope> And also, remove the --mining-threads option (especially since I doubt that your VM has 49 viable mining cores with 98MB of L3 cache)
19:42:44 <rooter0_> Typo, all altcoin should be monero in my last statement.
19:43:02 <merope> rooter0_: Yep, it expects a wallet address, not a file path
19:43:38 <merope> Remove the two options I mentioned and it should start
19:43:38 <rooter0_> I have 64 CPU cores, (AMD Epyc) and have dedicated 50 to this KVM VM.
19:44:56 <merope> Ah, I see. Still, you don't want to use monerod's builtin mining feature, since you're using xmrig (which is faster). No point in using both at the same time, since they would just be fighting for cache and cpu time
19:45:27 <rooter0_> Understand.  So I don't start monerod?
19:45:59 <merope> You start monerod, but you remove the start-mining and mining-threads options
19:49:05 <merope> Monerod talks to other nodes to sync the blockchain and relay unconfirmed transactions. Xmrig talks to monerod to fetch that data (aka the "mining template" and then does its mining thing. If it finds a valid results, it submits the solution back to monerod 
19:50:49 <rooter0_> I'm back.  Laptop went crackers.  (Thanks, KWin)
19:52:20 <merope> Did you see my last two messages?
19:52:51 <rooter0_> No, sorry.
19:53:06 <monerobull[m]> reddit is currently down. do you know what isnt? monero.house 😎
19:53:08 <merope> You start monerod, but you remove the start-mining and mining-threads options
19:53:09 <merope> Monerod talks to other nodes to sync the blockchain and relay unconfirmed transactions. Xmrig talks to monerod to fetch that data (aka the "mining template" and then does its mining thing. If it finds a valid results, it submits the solution back to monerod 
19:53:31 <rooter0_> merope: Ok
19:54:15 <rooter0_> I see, so that's how xmrig can use the gibberish string to connect to the local wallet.
19:55:42 <merope> xmrig doesn't actually connect to the wallet (because it doesn't need to). It just needs to know your wallet address, which is used to construct the block template
19:56:14 <merope> (By "connect" I mean that the two programs do not interact directly with eachother)
19:58:42 <rooter0_> Ok, monerod is listening on localhost 18080, 18081, and 18082, as God intended...
19:59:02 <merope> 18082?
19:59:21 <rooter0_> Idk, for some reason.
19:59:52 <merope> zmq port perhaps
20:00:30 <merope> Btw, check out https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/
20:00:34 <rooter0_> Wallet is connectiong....
20:01:40 <rooter0_> Hm, wallet says "daemon failed to start, but when I dismiss that it shows fine, all synced.  Maybe it prefers to start the daemon on its own.
20:02:06 <rooter0_> (rather than me with systemd)
20:02:24 <rooter0_> Connected.
20:06:05 <merope> What does the log say?
20:06:23 <rooter0_> Indeed the wallet prefers to start monerod itself.  Disabling the systemd service.
20:08:51 <rooter0_> It seems to have lost the whole blockchain somehow.  If you mean Settings|Log, "Couldn't connect to daemon 127.0.0.1:18081."  Looks current but may have been before I made the changes.
20:11:04 <merope> Your daemon config file is in a non-standard path, so the gui wallet doesn't pick it up automatically (and will therefore not find the path where you stored the blockchain, and pick the default option instead)
20:18:17 <rooter0_> Understand.  I've set the blockchain path and deleted the old blockchain, but it still says only 49GB left.  There's 200GB on that drive.  Trying to dl the blockchain anyway.
20:18:58 <merope> Dude, don't delete the old chain file!
20:19:00 <merope> You can just move it, if you really must
20:19:08 <rooter0_> It's synchronizing so far.
20:19:21 <merope> Takes a long time to sync
20:19:31 <rooter0_> I don't have any XMC.
20:19:45 <merope> You mean xmr?
20:19:49 <rooter0_> ... and it couldn't find it where it was.
20:19:56 <rooter0_> xmr.
20:20:02 <merope> (XMC was an old monero scam fork)
20:20:13 <plowsof11> gpu mineable 
20:20:18 <plowsof11> asic scam
20:22:02 <merope> The location is inside whatever path you had in your data-dir option in the config file
20:22:38 <merope> There's a folder called 'lmdb' inside that path, which contains the data.mdb file (ie the blockchain)
20:22:52 <rooter0_> I should have thought.  But wallet lost it.  All I have to do is run wallet, let it start monerod, sync, and then flange in xmrig, I think.
20:24:45 <rooter0_> Oh no, it's not putting it under blockchain this time.
20:25:42 <rooter0_> Must be under lmdb, unfortunately.
20:26:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> #teamviewer #level2support
20:28:20 <rooter0_> Oh my god.
20:30:16 <rooter0_> In .config/monero-project/monero-core.conf , blockchainDataDir=/home/paul/ ... so why didn't it make a blockchain subdir there?
20:32:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <ofrnxmr[m]> "#teamviewer #level2support" <- Fluffy level?
20:33:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Have you got the right owner:group set
20:35:04 <rooter0_> Yes for the destination location, as the user wallet is running as.
20:35:47 <plowsof11> rooter0_ you dont even know the ticker for xmr , dont start getting impatient 
20:36:16 <plowsof11> go away for a few hours and tinker 
20:36:27 <rooter0_> I don't understand where blockchain is set, so I can't move lmdb into it.
20:36:53 <plowsof11> use a search engine and come back later 
20:36:57 <merope> Did you check https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/ ?
20:37:23 <merope> As well as https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monero-config-file/
20:37:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's running systemd scripts for monerod, running gui + a local node, ddoesnt know what a monero address is
20:37:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Started at step 10 and trying to work their way backwards 
20:37:56 <merope> So basically a linux user new to Monero
20:38:06 <merope> Everybody's gotta start somewhere
20:38:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> A windows user new to linux and monero
20:38:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probable using whonix or some crazy setup too
20:38:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yaya. They already said they are running it in a vm
20:39:20 <rooter0_> good advice plowsof11.  Thanks merope.  ofrnxmr[m] as above I've stopped the systemd service and am relying on wallet to start the daemon.
20:40:03 <plowsof11> is it life or death that your problem be solved in the next hour?
20:40:46 <rooter0_> ofrnxmr[m] I guess you're an angry person.  No CentOS & RH for 22 years exclusively.,  Resorting to an old trope is inaccurate.
20:41:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> 💢
20:41:49 <rooter0_> plowsof11: Surely not.  But I am way behind on many other things.
20:42:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> You've been doing this since before I was born
20:42:39 <rooter0_> Yes I'm a Boomer, old and stupid...
20:42:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not an old trope
20:43:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> You started off with systemd, without knowing you wallet address 
20:43:13 <rooter0_> Let's bicker instead of trying to investigate this.
20:43:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> I thought boomers hated systemd..
20:43:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well, its as productive as whatever was going on before 
20:43:38 <plowsof11> you're the one who brought stress into my life 
20:44:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Running a node, mining solo from xmrig, is a 5 minutes to setup node, 8-24hrs to sync, 2 minutes to setup xmrig
20:44:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whatever you did was backwards.
20:44:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can even just open gui > advanced > mine 
20:45:02 <rooter0_> Did you look up the word 'trope' ofrnxmr[m]?
20:45:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Node running instructions: download cli or gui > start the node 
20:46:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> No. I dont need Google for words I know the definitions of
20:46:15 <moneromooo> ponicious.
20:46:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did you read my 1.5 step instructions above?
20:46:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Problem solved.
20:46:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next in line pls
20:47:22 <rooter0_> Worthless, ofrnxmr[m]
20:48:06 <plowsof11> "having a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way." :( 
20:48:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> ...... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a88a12a831b487339f9fb117ebfc35f785782867>)
20:49:48 <rooter0_> Alright, the Techies are gone now.
20:50:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im confused 
21:29:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Rq