00:36:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://github.com/cypherstack/serai-audit
02:37:21 <fmlatghor> sorry if this is a basic question: does solo mining contribute to the blockchain/help monero, even if success is rare or never?
02:37:44 <fmlatghor> I'm just debating whether or not to sacrifice some resources to run a monero node
02:43:10 <RavFX[m]> <fmlatghor> "sorry if this is a basic..." <- Yes. any mining help
02:45:11 <fmlatghor> RavFX[m]: thanks
04:49:38 <xmrfn[m]> fmlatghor: Note that you can run a node with very few CPU/RAM resources even if it doesn't mine and that is still a benefit to the network (I would argue an honest up-to-date node is more beneficial than a random miner)
04:50:26 <xmrfn[m]> Though of course it doesn't bring you any funds, it increases your personal Good Karma :)
04:50:40 <jtgrassie> kayabanerve[m]: "TX chaining is the ability to create a transaction B reliant on a transaction A before A has been added to the ledger." <- that aligns with what Alex was suggesting though, to some degree
04:51:09 <jtgrassie> as you could create a chain of txs and publish them all together
04:51:33 <Alex|LocalMonero> Yeah but it doesn't sidestep the 10-block-lock.
04:52:20 <jtgrassie> no but that's fine, from the perspective of not exponentially locking funds
04:52:48 <jtgrassie> the final tx would have the final change, locked
04:53:24 <jtgrassie> and the recipients in the chained txs would all unlock at the same time
04:53:56 <jtgrassie> (if I'm grasping correctly)
04:55:00 <Alex|LocalMonero> As kaya pointed out in the MRL room, you need to broadcast tx1 before you can broadcast chained txs2+
04:55:57 <Alex|LocalMonero> > Yes. Transaction B is published after transaction A is on a block and after any 10-block lock occurs. Then, B has its membership proof created, and is published on chain.
04:55:57 <Alex|LocalMonero> kaya ^
05:01:02 <jtgrassie> if you have to have tx1 confirmed before tx2+ I'm not sure how that's definied as "chaining", tx2 is really just a partially constructed tx?
05:04:19 <jtgrassie> I always understood "chaining" as you described Alex, B spending output of A but A not yet confirmed. The chain of A->B can be broadcast/confirmed together
05:06:20 <Alex|LocalMonero> That's also how I intuitively understood it and how tevador seemed to imply it given the context he brought it up in, but apparently it just means that you can build a chain of txs that spend subsequent change without needing to broadcast them.
05:07:37 <Alex|LocalMonero> However spending unconfirmed coins is just eliminating the 10-block-lock.
05:08:57 <xmrfn[m]> Are the decoys in txn B somehow lower entropy? Seems like there is some statistical significance to having been selected and dependent on presumptive subsequent txn A.
05:10:53 <Alex|LocalMonero> xmrfn[m]: No, because only the actor that creates the membership proof knows the real spend. On-chain, you can't tell a chained tx from a non-chained tx.
05:11:09 <Alex|LocalMonero> We're talking post-seraphis.
05:11:13 <xmrfn[m]> i'm not quire sure that's my question exactly
05:11:22 <xmrfn[m]> s/quire/quite/
05:12:03 <Alex|LocalMonero> Every subsequent tx is presumptive on a preceding tx's outputs being the enotes.
05:12:06 <xmrfn[m]> Can you retroactively determine transactions were chained?
05:12:11 <Alex|LocalMonero> Apart from coinbase txs.
05:15:13 <jtgrassie> Alex|LocalMonero: "That's also how I intuitively understood it" yep, and is what happens on bitcoin (spending unconfirmed outputs in a chain).
05:28:51 <xmrfn[m]> I just can't get over a niggling intuition that picking decoys before the transaction they are "actually" used in, will make them in some way lower entropy/more identifiable. It's just a vague notion, but I mean... entropy increase is how causality works, after all.
05:28:51 <xmrfn[m]> I wonder if a pathological chain of transactions could weaken the global anonymity set more effectively than a set of pathological non-chained transactions.
05:32:31 <politicalweasel[> AFAIU the idea is that the membership proof can be constructed after most of the rest of the transaction. So you effectively have a "pre-signed" transaction whose decoys can be included at the time of broadcasting it  
05:32:36 <politicalweasel[> (I think)
06:11:38 <xmrfn[m]> Yes. My wiggling worry is that those decoys have a property not like other decoys. Possibly a property that is statistical in nature and only apparent in retrospect, after the full chain is present on the chain.
06:12:01 <xmrfn[m]> * the full (txn-)chain is, * on the (block-)chain.
06:12:17 <xmrfn[m]>  * Yes. My (niggling, totally unscientific) worry is that those decoys have a property not like other decoys. Possibly a property that is statistical in nature and only apparent in retrospect, after the full (txn-)chain is present on the (block-)chain.
07:57:05 <ajs_[m]> MoneroKon 2023 Planning Meeting: Saturday 18th March 2023 @ 18:00 UTC - https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/813
13:28:05 <Rolandroke[m]> I made it to matrix finally
14:13:37 <plowsof11> welcome to matrix! enjoy the lag/encryption errors and feelings of being inferior to the IRC users! heres the Monero space with most of the rooms https://matrix.to/#/#monerospace:monero.social
16:19:12 <d34d8its[m]> Using the cli wallet, is there a way to add a note to a previous transaction?
16:49:21 <susman1[m]> know somewhere I can sell my stuff for monero?
16:50:29 <GrantFisher[m]> Ebay -> x -> cake wallet
16:51:22 <RavFX[m]> https://moneromarket.io/
16:51:43 <GrantFisher[m]> Speaking, I keep getting http 400 unexpected response error on cake exchanges
17:10:17 <GrantFisher[m]> * Speaking of which, I, * cake exchanges. Should I just wait a while? It was working last week
17:21:05 <susman1[m]> <GrantFisher[m]> "Ebay -> x -> cake wallet" <- X?
17:22:38 <susman1[m]> any way to trade precious metals to/for monero?
17:23:06 <GrantFisher[m]> susman1[m]: Cake wallet lets you use ebay gift cards
17:23:14 <GrantFisher[m]> With xmr
17:23:36 <susman1[m]> wb the other way around
17:23:37 <GrantFisher[m]> When it use to work lol
17:23:40 <RavFX[m]> Work only if you live are the US for the ebay gift cards from what I understand
17:23:48 <susman1[m]> can I convert my ebay gains to xmr?
17:24:02 <GrantFisher[m]> Oh shit my American is showing ig
17:25:00 <RavFX[m]> susman1[m]: You can use localmonero.co to convert you're scampal money into monero.
17:25:00 <RavFX[m]> Note that you are likely to pay a premium because no one like paypal and will gladly charge 10-15% extra to cover for the risk of using such an insecure payment system
17:25:29 <susman1[m]> > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> You can use localmonero.co to convert you're scampal money into monero.
17:25:29 <susman1[m]> > 
17:25:29 <susman1[m]> > Note that you are likely to pay a premium because no one like paypal and will gladly charge 10-15% extra to cover for the risk of using such an insecure payment system
17:25:30 <susman1[m]> Cash app?
17:26:29 <susman1[m]> anyone here use grapheneOS?
17:26:43 <RavFX[m]> Cash app? I never used that scam.
17:26:43 <RavFX[m]> But look on localmonero if there are trade for that.
17:44:46 <rooter0_> Don't want to run xmrig in virtual machine as root, so on host machine set up like this:  https://0bin.net/paste/xS3URiUu#Y45gFmbylcdQQnfXTax7dL6yfiAlplCIwExWwSR+9jT
17:46:45 <rooter0_> ... but still FAILED TO APPLY MSR MOD, failed to allocate RandomX dataset using 1GB pages, and huge pages 0%/  Hash rate is slightly slower.
17:48:32 <rooter0_> And for some reason the log doesn't say what my wallet ("user":) is.
17:53:26 <rooter0_> Here's my config:  https://paste.ec/paste/24aiwFpd#vMSegjq2LiZINDQCngL-GyOgo9G7aLRL4jMMGR0ggCZ
17:56:44 <rooter0_> When I run the minet several other VMs peg to 100%, implying that it's impairing them.
17:58:03 <rooter0_> If -I- can't do this for a lack of info, I wonder how many other n00bs get discouraged like me and go away.
17:59:34 <rooter0_> "The channel topic is "[XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers".  But yesterday I was told to get lost someplace else.  This isn't the -dev channel.
18:00:50 <plowsof11> i remember when i was a n00b mining on several VM's 
18:01:37 <Rolandroke[m]> Ofc
18:02:58 <Rolandroke[m]> I remember having an income and not having to sell my two 3700x rigs and one 3900x 
18:03:08 <plowsof11> are you threatening to "go away" and let us enjoy our saturday?
18:03:42 <rooter0_> It's like the mining VM is dancing around -all- the CPU threads, impairig other VMs..
18:04:19 <Rolandroke[m]> What software are you running
18:04:30 <rooter0_> Now plowsof11... is that "being excellent to each other"?
18:04:35 <rooter0_> xmrig
18:04:46 <Rolandroke[m]> I mean what VM
18:05:04 <rooter0_> KVM with CentOS Stream 9.1
18:05:16 <rooter0_> (host and guests)
18:05:32 <Rolandroke[m]> I have had so much more success with practically everything on Oracle vm 
18:05:49 <rooter0_> And passing through CPU cores.
18:06:08 <Rolandroke[m]> Using it for whonix in Windows now but it's so easy to configure compared to others I've tried
18:06:16 <rooter0_> I've never really trusted Oracle.
18:06:27 <Rolandroke[m]> Fair enough
18:07:26 <rooter0_> Yest they said that making these settings on the host would translate through to VMs if I did CPU passthrough.
18:07:41 <Rolandroke[m]> Mining monero is the thing I'm least worried about getting doxed or exploited 
18:08:23 <rooter0_> I have 24 years in enterprise infosec, with the attendant paranoia.
18:10:18 <rooter0_> They say they want more miners.  I've been trying for weeks, with scips and scraps of info every 2 days or so.
18:12:30 <rooter0_> It's all set like they've said, AFAICT.  And what's this about "enjoying Saturday"?  I'm 68 and have rarely had a chance to enjoy the weekend.
18:14:02 <Rolandroke[m]> Yeah i have had my computers and phones confiscated by the detectives for over a year, wondering what they would find. Mainly personal stuff. It was a ~100 page investigation into if i bought crypto to use it for buying drugs. Thanks to my old roommate haha. Anyway, what they found was some memory cache where I've read about opsec/encryption (because I'm a fucking nerd and it's my hobby) and tried to get me in jail for 1.5 yrs. Took 2
18:14:02 <Rolandroke[m]> yrs to take it to our version of the supreme court where it ended good, since that day my standard mode is paranoid. And I've only been balls deep in this for like 6-7 yrs
18:14:50 <Rolandroke[m]> (what i mean is that i don't look down on paranoia, it's probably warranted..)
18:15:48 <plowsof11> i personally have zero experience with configuring miners , we do have #xmrmine:matrix.org also. to me it seems like your use case is 'unique' and requires someone to study exactly what you've done already / tried (study your paste bins etc) please have some patience 
18:18:28 <Rolandroke[m]> Anyway when i had free electricity i just ran 3 rigs in hiveOS, with Mullvad VPN straight from the asus Merlin router. I don't trust them (hive) for shit but it's free and super easy for mining xmr (i was gpu mining then aswell to be fair).
18:18:28 <Rolandroke[m]> Sorry for jumping into this discussion without really knowing the main issue tho
18:23:08 <rooter0_> Man Rolandroke[m], what a hassle.  I always set up disks with encryption, so once I enter that passsword on boot, it's Okthat everything else (VMs and all) autologin.  They force you to turn over your password?  You can't give them what you don't know.  It was your roommate who's gone.
18:24:38 <rooter0_> I was referred to #xmrmine:matrix.org, but a) it's dead, and b) they won't know what I'm talking about.
18:26:59 <rooter0_> I'm running on ProtonVPN, whih was started by the founder of LavaBit, which Snowden used.  Feds demanded the keys so he gave it to them on hardcopy in teeny-tiny print.  But that was it for LavaBit, and he took those lessons to start Proton.  He has no way of decrypting what goes on.
18:30:29 <rooter0_> It should follow that setting these registers on the host as root, would translate through to the VM if CPU passthrough.  And this was confirmed here yesterday.  But it absolutely does not work, for any of the three crucial settings.
18:33:26 <rooter0_> Plus running the miner impairs other VMs.  Is CPU pinning mandatory?
18:38:06 <Rolandroke[m]> <rooter0_> "Man Roland ₿roke, what a hassle...." <- I am just about to eat dinner but after that whole thing is what created this alter ego of mine. I should thank them. 
18:38:06 <Rolandroke[m]> I have full disk encryption with custom bootloader ofc, and then a favorite veracrypt container that mounts when i log on, where i store my VM/whonix 
18:38:06 <Rolandroke[m]> I would love for them to come try to break into my system now. That incident was many years ago. I hope they bring liquid nitrogen to try and get some of my (encrypted) memory cache. I could get world record benchmarks trying sick ddr timings with that kind of cooling 😁
18:38:58 <Rolandroke[m]> (randomX that is) 
18:40:59 <rooter0_> Depending on where you are, they could jail you for not giving your password...  which in the US is supposed to be unConstitutional. (Right to not self-incriminate, unreasonable search/siezure).
18:41:11 <rooter0_> But they jail you anyway.
19:15:21 <rooter0_> It's starting to look like nobody's going to help a po' nigga...
20:12:58 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Why you need monero I would like to help but I'm broke damnit
20:47:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> <rooter0_> "It's starting to look like..." <- #xmrmine:matrix.org 
20:47:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> And before you tell me who's going to know what 
20:47:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lalalalala
20:50:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> <rooter0_> "I'm running on ProtonVPN, whih..." <- ^ lol
20:50:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Kylie minogue song
21:07:58 <Sergi[m]1> Hello is this an official room?
21:09:37 <selsta> yes
21:12:12 <rooter0_> Now;  ofrnxmr[m], is that in line with, "The channel topic is "[XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers"??
21:13:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> You've been here for weeks asking for mining help and have too much pride to ask where the mining experts reside
21:13:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> #xmrmine:matrix.org  please
21:13:37 <Sergi[m]1> Ok but I will join off topic room instead 🙏
21:15:34 <rooter0_> The mining experts are in -dev.  #xmrmine:matrix.org is dead.  Why are you so unkind?
21:16:40 <rooter0_> Oh yes 've been here for weeks but my questions are advanced.
21:17:13 <rooter0_> If you don't know the answers best to step aside please.
21:17:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe I do
21:17:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id direct you to #monero-support:monero.social  but that isnt bridged to irc.
21:17:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> So #xmrmine:matrix.org it is
21:18:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or you can keep whining and talking to yourself until you get kicked 
21:18:15 <rooter0_> So you're withholding them out of recalcitrance?
21:18:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
21:18:35 <rooter0_> Why are you so unkind?
21:18:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> You've been politely asked to go to the appropriate places after ddosing this room with personal technical support  
21:19:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was just born like this ♥️.  I dont try to be mean
21:19:55 <rooter0_> For the 5th time, I've observed that that channel is dead.  And given the sorts of questions asked they are in no position to understand my issues.
21:20:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Have you posted in that channel 
21:20:36 <rooter0_> No
21:20:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well then whatever you think means nothing 
21:20:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its dead because youre posting here
21:21:27 <rooter0_> But who am I going to trust?  You, or my own lying eyes?
21:21:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spaceguide  Endor00
21:21:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, you were 'BT acting for actual answers
21:22:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> You just want to bang your head asking non miners how to do advanced mining 
21:22:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Instead of asking the advanced miners 
21:22:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: You were *not* asking for actual answers **
21:22:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> rooter0_: Believe me
21:23:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your eyes are liars 💯
21:23:07 <rooter0_> Pls se above.
21:23:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pls se #xmrmine:matrix.org and post therr
21:24:01 <merope> rooter0_: I'll take "what is observational bias" for 500$, Alex
21:24:35 <Alex|LocalMonero> Alright, let's take a look at the screen!
21:24:36 <rooter0_> Not everyone here holds your opinion.  Nor is as unkind.
21:24:41 <merope> Also, how can you judge people's competence when you've never even spoken to them?
21:25:04 <rooter0_> The log is there.
21:25:57 <merope> There's a log in my pants too, what's your point?
21:26:55 <rooter0_> Clever merope.  "*** The channel topic is "[XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers"
21:27:27 <merope> If you seriously believe that not even one person in a room full of hundereds of people has an answer to your problem, you're either trying to compile xmrig on a 5000 qbit quantum computer, or you should check your attitude
21:27:58 <merope> Oooh, you're on irc, that's why you see the mining channel as dead
21:28:04 <merope> That matrix room is not bridged
21:28:16 <rooter0_> "There's a log in my pants too, what's your point?"   -My- attitude?
21:28:49 <rooter0_> No I went there in the web interface.
21:29:31 <merope> What web interface? 🤔
21:30:02 <rooter0_> Ok, let's bicker for a while.  
21:30:27 <merope> Genuine question, I'm not sure what you're talking about
21:30:49 <rooter0_> "Your eyes are liars." etc
21:31:10 <rooter0_> Bait, declined.
21:31:39 <merope> As an mod on #xmrmine:matrix.org , I can assure you it's not a dead channel. Just less off-topic chatter about random stuff
21:31:59 <rooter0_> Instead of exploring unexplored ways of mining Monero...  let's bicker.
21:32:02 <merope> If you ask a question, someone will usually respond
21:32:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unexplored? Says you
21:32:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Google says otherwise 
21:32:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Looking into bridge 
21:33:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> merope: He had plenty of help for weeks 
21:33:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> From sech himself 
21:33:12 <rooter0_> Nobody else is doing what I am trying to do.  Ok your turnto deny.
21:33:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> But hes too much of a 24 year expert to listen 
21:33:55 <rooter0_> sech encouraged my idea.
21:34:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mining monero with your 6600xt?
21:34:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Through a VM?
21:34:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your eyes must be liars 
21:34:53 <rooter0_> Ok you don't understand this.
21:35:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I skipped through like 4 days of your expertise, sry
21:35:22 <rooter0_> You just wanna fight.
21:35:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, I want you to ask a question and then follow instructions 
21:35:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> And stop asking the wrong people 
21:36:02 <rooter0_> See above then.
21:36:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> And stop claiming to be an expert when you dont know hownto Google 
21:36:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah
21:36:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Repeat the question for everyone who isnt me
21:37:34 <rooter0_> Wow.  (I don't 'G**gle'.  It's The Greatest Data Mining Operation In The World.)
21:37:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Damn. Were doomed
21:38:11 <rooter0_> You just wanna fight.
21:38:35 <merope> rooter0_: just looked at the two pastes you linked above
21:39:26 <rooter0_> Then you have an idea of what I'm trying to do.
21:40:18 <rooter0_> sech said yesterday it should work, but I can't make it work and don't understand why.
21:40:53 <merope> For starters, your xmrig config does not seem to have a valid Monero address in it
21:40:58 <merope> Should start with a 4
21:41:21 <rooter0_> (I've excised my wallet#)
21:41:46 <rooter0_> ... for the paste
21:41:56 <merope> Alright
21:42:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next time replace it with REDACTED 👍
21:43:27 <merope> Second of all, disable your gpu. Mining randomx on a gpu is not worth the time to get it to work. Gpus are far slower and far less efficient than cpus at this algo
21:43:55 <merope> Even if you had free electricity, it would still be a waste of time 
21:44:13 <merope> That's how bad it is
21:44:39 <nioc> Sometimes mining with cpu + gpu gives less hr than only cpu
21:44:50 <rooter0_> Sure.  But I have an efficient GPU and want to at least -try-- it before putting it in the drawer.  But that's for another time.
21:45:17 <nioc> It is not efficient for mining monero
21:45:48 <rooter0_> Issue here is CPU settings on host, not translating through to mining VM.
21:45:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "No, I want you to ask a question..." <- ^
21:45:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "And stop claiming to be an..." <- ^
21:46:03 <rooter0_> ... even with CPU passthrough.
21:46:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Follow instructions pls
21:46:44 <rooter0_> I'm not here to fight ofrnxmr[m], and you are unfriendly.
21:46:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> I am, I know.
21:47:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not friendly, that is
21:47:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> But that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China
21:47:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Follow instructions please 
21:47:45 <merope> rooter0_: Ask anyone on the mining chat (on matrix/telegram): you can expect 1-2 kH/s tops out of the gpu, with a power cost of 100-200W. That's ~10 H/s/W, compared to 80-130 H/s/W of a typical ryzen/epyc cpu. Just not worth it
21:48:07 <merope> As for msr and hugepages
21:49:09 <rooter0_> Understand merope and I have that message.  But that's not the issue ATM.
21:49:54 <merope> Unless something has changed, if you run the randomx boost script that sets msr "manually" and then run xmrig without root, xmrig will complain about failing to apply msr, but it's still gonna work
21:50:41 <rooter0_> But hashrate should have gone up by almost 50% according to docs, and it's lower if anything.
21:51:10 <rooter0_> hugepages and 1GB pages are still zero.
21:51:38 <merope> 1gb pages are a separate item from huge pages
21:51:48 <merope> https://xmrig.com/docs/miner/hugepages
21:51:53 <rooter0_> With 50 CPUs it's 10-11 H/s.
21:52:17 <rooter0_> Sure, and diff scripts.  But I have them both in the systemd service as oneshots.
21:52:41 <rooter0_> ... and they work without error on the host.
21:53:39 <rooter0_> Setting the registers on the host should translate through to VMs when CPUs are passed through. (my idea)
21:53:54 <rooter0_> ... but it hain't.
21:53:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're running xmrig on the host (?)
21:54:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or on the guest/vm (?)
21:54:12 <rooter0_> No just setting CPU registers.
21:54:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I thought you said the former?
21:54:26 <rooter0_> xmrin in the VM.
21:54:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Setting registers from the VM ?
21:54:40 <rooter0_> No, doesn't work
21:54:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrig from vm
21:54:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Registers from host?
21:54:46 <rooter0_> Yes
21:55:29 <rooter0_> Set CPU registers in host, and hose settings should translate through to the VM if CPUs are passed through.
21:55:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> KVM? 
21:55:40 <rooter0_> Yes
21:55:51 <rooter0_> CentOS Stream 9.1 everywhere.
21:56:00 <merope> Setting cpu registers on the host is one thing, but I would not assume that hugepage locking also gets passed through
21:56:35 <merope> Check that your virtualization engine actually supports that feature, and/or needs specific settings to allow the vm to do so
21:56:55 <merope> Pretty sure I remember someone else in the mining chat having issues with this
21:57:28 <rooter0_> sech said it should work, yest.
21:57:58 <merope> "ipse dixit" is not a guarantee
21:57:58 <sech1> MSR should work, huge pages - no idea
21:58:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> > As an alternative you can go to miner source directory and run sudo ./scripts/enable_1gb_pages.sh
21:58:18 <sech1> Usually, OS inside VM says that huge pages work, but they don't really work
21:58:24 <rooter0_> None of the three settings are translating through sech1.
21:59:06 <merope> Alternatively, if you want to do a sanity check, try rebooting the host and running xmrig without the hugepages setting, and compare that result with the results you're getting right now
21:59:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> And without msr
21:59:31 <rooter0_> In initial listing it says hugepages and 1GB pages are supported, but a bit later it says o% and not supported.
21:59:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Check your hwinfo etc 
22:00:05 <merope> That could very well be kvm lying about the availability of those features
22:00:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> And make sure everything is being passed through completely...
22:00:12 <merope> Check kvm docs as well 
22:00:55 <rooter0_> If it means compiling KVM I just need to set this aside.
22:01:16 <merope> Did I say compiling kvm?
22:01:32 <rooter0_> If it's not supported?
22:02:06 <merope> If it's not supported, it might not be implemented at all
22:02:36 <rooter0_> Seems like 10k H/s is way low for 50 CPUs.
22:03:00 <rooter0_> I've tried everything.
22:03:19 <merope> No, 10 kH/s on 50 epyc cores simply means that you are doing something horribly wrong
22:03:36 <rooter0_> lol, Prob.
22:05:14 <merope> The real solution is not running xmrig in a vm at all
22:05:37 <rooter0_> Three VMs in my herd peg CPU when I start mining, of course the miner, but also two unrelated.  It's as if core assignment is dancing around.
22:05:58 <merope> You're already running the boost scripts anyway, so just run xmrig without root and call it a day
22:06:31 <rooter0_> I can't run a miner on my main server.  I am hard-core infosec.
22:07:49 <rooter0_> It does recognize that it's in a VM.  I've tried several methods of cloaking but xmrig still finds out.
22:08:20 <merope> If you're hardcore infosec, then you should understand what that miner can and cannot do, and you should be able to check the source and compile it yourself
22:08:22 <rooter0_> Maybe that's why none of this works.
22:09:09 <rooter0_> Oh I -did- compile monerod and xmrig myself since there are no binaries for RHEL.
22:10:48 <merope> Cool. Then run xmrig on the host and call it a day. Virtualization only hurts performance, anyway
22:11:40 <rooter0_> Thanks but I just can't do that.  I'll try to find where xmrig tests for VM.
22:15:20 <merope> If you do change and decide to listen to other people's advice for a change, come by #xmrmine:matrix.org on Matrix (or telegram) and ask for folks if anyone has tried to run xmrig under KVM. *Maybe* you're not the only one in the world who has ever tried to deal with it ;)
22:15:54 <rooter0_> Oh I doubt that.  :j
22:16:32 <rooter0_> I'm prob the first in the World.  Woudn't be the first time.
22:17:03 <rooter0_> scripts/build/libuv-1.44.2/autom4te.cache/traces.1:m4trace:configure.ac:79: -1- AC_DEFINE_TRACE_LITERAL([HAVE_LIBKVM])
22:19:21 <rooter0_> src/Summary.cpp:               info->isVM()           ? RED_BOLD_S " VM" : ""
22:19:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> rooter0_: Probably not
22:20:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Definitely not*
22:20:07 <merope> I guess my hints were too thinly veiled, and you've decided to ignore my earlier message in which I said I distinctly remember a conversation dealing with this exact issue in that chat room
22:20:23 <rooter0_> Why would they cripple xmrig by testing for VM?
22:20:33 <merope> But that's ok - it's your head banging against the wall, not mine. I've done my part
22:21:07 <rooter0_> I hear you merope.  I'll check it out again.
22:21:47 <rooter0_> And that is -definitely where the result of the test is.
22:22:41 <rooter0_> I guess they test for VM assuming the CPUs aren't passed through.
22:22:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> #rooters-diary
22:23:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-pools:monero.social 
22:23:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> That one is on irc 🥲
22:23:47 <rooter0_> Ok I get it.  I won't teach you anymore ofrnxmr[m].
22:23:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> You arent teaching anyone 
22:24:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please stop tytytytyttty
22:43:03 <orion_midast[m]> Hey guys, hope everyone is doing well
22:44:23 <orion_midast[m]> has there been any update of monero whitepaper ? I was told Zero To Monero is a more up to date paper
22:51:17 <orion_midast[m]> just want to make sure before I start reading up
23:03:36 <nioc> not sure if it qualifies as a whitepaper but is more up to date technically
23:03:43 <nioc> y not both?
23:04:10 <nioc> I have not read either, I am just a parrot 
23:04:45 <nioc> there have been many changes in 9 years
23:26:44 <rooter0_> Ok, hidden the fact that it's n a VM from xmrig.  But performance is much worse at ~8k H/s.
23:27:53 <rooter0_> I find that the CPU cores are in fact getting pre-empted, causing serious impact on other VMs, molto context switches, cache dumps, etc.  So CPU pinning should fix it.
23:28:17 <orion_midast[m]> <nioc> "y not both?" <- I dont want to read something that wont benefit me😂
23:28:27 <orion_midast[m]> the knowledge has to be useful
23:30:38 <rooter0_> I think that pinning cores is another major undocumented necessity.
23:33:20 <rooter0_> And in fstab must be:  hugetlbfs /dev/hugepages hugetlbfs defaults
23:33:36 <rooter0_> (on host)
23:33:57 <plowsof11> i don't know what pinning cores means
23:34:32 <rooter0_> You're assigning specific host CPU cores to a given VM and to the host.
23:34:33 <plowsof11> if its a necessity please make a pull request 
23:35:27 <rooter0_> Idk how to do a pull req and am not interested in learning.  But the special settings I'm making are on the host.
23:36:00 <rooter0_> ... not the mining VM.  This way you don't have to run xmrig as root.
23:36:12 <rooter0_> ... although I'm not there yet.
23:37:13 <plowsof11> if you can type the info you say is a necessity in 'one place' somewhere it would be helpful - i will then make a pull request to monero github repos and claim it as my own 
23:37:26 <rooter0_> Cores must be pinned in a certain way, so there's no context switching or cache loss.
23:37:42 <plowsof11> i mean credit you*
23:38:10 <plowsof11> or rather, xmrig repo? https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig
23:38:20 <rooter0_> Hey, I've gotten alot of hostility here.  I'm posting this specifically for the few who have actually helped me like sech.
23:40:39 <plowsof11> people read these messages, then go on with their day, maybe they forget.. please type what changes you want to be done somewhere, else this learning experience may not be so helpful to others  
23:41:39 <rooter0_> sech1 will understand.  That's the only reason I'm sharing this.
23:43:38 <rooter0_> You've given me shit yourself plowsof11.  Thinking I'm some kind a idiot, following o???whatshisname's lead.
23:44:37 <rooter0_> ... when I was already way past y'all and you didn't know it.
23:44:40 <plowsof11> i said "are you threatening to "go away" and let us enjoy our saturday?" 
23:45:10 <rooter0_> That's disrespectful and denigrating.
23:45:36 <rooter0_> Anyway as I've said many times, I'm not here to bicker.
23:46:17 <rooter0_> "*** The channel topic is "[XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers"
23:47:47 <plowsof11> yes, and you tried to make everyone feel like they where failing 
23:49:43 <rooter0_> I wasn't trying anything except to get on with the tech.
23:49:58 <plowsof11> <rooter0_> "If -I- can't do this for a..." <- this comment ^ displaying an ego and telling the group that if they don't fix your problem they have failed all noobs in the world
23:50:02 <rooter0_> sech1: On the host:  https://rokups.github.io/#!pages/gaming-vm-performance.md
23:52:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sech1 stopped replying noob
23:52:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mr I dont want to learn 
23:52:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Great attitude 
23:52:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ill learn for you /s
23:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> > Idk how to do a pull req and am not interested in learning.  But the special settings I'm making are on the host.
23:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lmao
23:54:23 <rooter0_> I'm sorry that you and plowsof11 are incels.
23:54:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, were productive 
23:54:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're just an expert
23:55:42 <plowsof11> how did you know??? 
23:55:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> 24 or 25 years of exoeriece was it?
23:55:56 <rooter0_> Your behavior.
23:55:58 <orion_midast[m]> cmon guys, no need for any of that shit
23:56:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Waited 68 years to learn
23:56:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> orion_midast:  its been a week 
23:56:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> A week + 
23:56:32 <plowsof11> rooter0_ is your problem fixed?
23:56:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> And mr Sir doesnt like to take advice or follow instructions
23:56:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's an expert that wants to tell us what he has to do and that we need to figure it out for him 
23:57:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plenty have replied, plenty have helped, plenty have given him better resources.
23:57:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> He wont leave this room or learn a damn thing unless we do it backwards/his way