00:00:15 <JacobGonzales[m]> what do you guys think of lbry network
00:00:16 <JacobGonzales[m]> for files 
00:00:32 <JacobGonzales[m]> aka the odysee frontend 
00:00:38 <JacobGonzales[m]> or lbry desktop for direct access
00:00:47 <plowsof11> Jacob Gonzales: what do you think about staying on topic 
00:01:01 <JacobGonzales[m]> lol
00:01:27 <JacobGonzales[m]> just general discussion didn't realize you like being close minded 
00:01:27 <monerobull[m]> Plow
00:01:27 <JacobGonzales[m]> ahaha
00:01:27 <monerobull[m]> Chill 
00:01:27 <JacobGonzales[m]> is there an offtopic channel?
00:01:31 <monerobull[m]> There's nobody here
00:01:43 <JacobGonzales[m]> or matrix space for this community 
00:01:43 <plowsof11> of course #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
00:01:47 <monerobull[m]> And banishing people to the offtopic room ALWAYS kills the discussion 
00:02:00 <monerobull[m]> You're breaking the natural flow 🙏
00:02:08 <JacobGonzales[m]> it's alright 
00:02:21 <JacobGonzales[m]> does this channel got a space with all the channels?
00:02:36 <plowsof11> and the Monero space for matrix users https://app.element.io/#/room/#monerospace:monero.social
00:03:01 <JacobGonzales[m]> plowsof11: thanks for being resourceful 
00:04:22 <plowsof11> the natural flow of the monero channel is not going to be lunardao , btt, lbry 
00:04:43 <plowsof11> i am a dictator now sirs 
00:04:43 <monerobull[m]> Does anyone care
00:05:04 <monerobull[m]> You're like a discord mod 💢
00:05:24 <nioc> >>> #monero-monero 
00:08:03 <JacobGonzales[m]> monerobull[m]: ayo chill
00:08:09 <JacobGonzales[m]> he's a community helper 
00:08:21 <JacobGonzales[m]> 🤣🤣🤣
00:08:35 <monerobull[m]> Kek that sounds very stupid 
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00:09:13 <JacobGonzales[m]> " i am a dictator now sirs "
00:09:15 <plowsof11> if i see people having fun, it must be stopped, at all costs 
00:09:21 <monerobull[m]> JacobGonzales[m]: Hey that's me
00:09:37 <monerobull[m]> Only i have a bunch of deprecated roles sgp set up 5 years ago
00:10:46 <monerobull[m]> I am still amazed i figured out the discord bridge while barley knowing how to ssh into a server 
00:11:09 <JacobGonzales[m]> i remember back in the early days of matrix 
00:11:14 <JacobGonzales[m]> bridging was terrible
00:11:24 <JacobGonzales[m]> barely worked now it's a big better
00:12:45 <monerobull[m]> I like to use matrix for notifications 
00:13:19 <JacobGonzales[m]> i've used matrix since it was called riot.im
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00:14:15 <JacobGonzales[m]> i've used it since it looked like this https://web.archive.org/web/20161115110354/https://riot.im/
00:14:17 <JacobGonzales[m]> lol
00:14:24 <monerobull[m]> I get matrix message from an off-site Server should my node go down
00:14:58 <monerobull[m]> Or monerosupplies or monero.house
00:15:12 <JacobGonzales[m]> oo
00:15:17 <monerobull[m]> Way easier to set up than email
00:17:07 <monerobull[m]> I should spin up my docker node again 
00:17:37 <monerobull[m]> I stopped it and started one with momerod to mint morbs
00:18:12 <monerobull[m]> I just know once i shut down the morb wallet once, I'll never touch it again 
00:18:45 <monerobull[m]> Does anyone want to buy the monerochan collection? 10 premium morbs, very nice
00:20:24 <JacobGonzales[m]> i'm indexing monero.house on mwmbl search 
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00:20:59 <JacobGonzales[m]> done https://mwmbl.org/?q=monero+house
00:26:27 <monerobull[m]> Huh, cool?
00:27:22 <monerobull[m]> I'll look that project up tomorrow 
00:27:23 <plowsof11> they accept donations via "the giving block" who does not list monero =(  
00:27:51 <monerobull[m]> Monero.house takes donations right in the sidebar ;:DD
00:30:00 <plowsof11> link seems to not work 
00:30:04 <monerobull[m]> Good thing i didn't go with njala hosting for that one, way cheaper so donations aren't really necessary 
00:30:21 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: That would be your DNS/vpn/av then 
00:31:02 <monerobull[m]> Some Russian crypto scam in 2018 used the domain. I'm still trying to get removed from all the filter lists
00:31:11 <monerobull[m]> But it's quite a hassle
00:31:33 <monerobull[m]> Anyways, food night 
00:31:47 <monerobull[m]> s/food/good/
01:09:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is what happens when my phone dies 
02:29:22 <noobcake2465[m]> heyyy guys
02:29:32 <noobcake2465[m]> so like i haven't bought crypto in aaaaages
02:29:45 <noobcake2465[m]> seems binance requires KYC just to deposit crypto now lmao
02:30:14 <noobcake2465[m]> normally what i used to do is buy some shitcoin on an exchange with KYC then xfer the shitcoin to binance for monero
02:30:39 <noobcake2465[m]> and move the monero then to another exchange like tradeogre (accessed via Tor)
02:31:12 <noobcake2465[m]> looks like ill have to find another exchange for the middle one, im not interested in doing KYC with more than one the first exchange
02:32:33 <plowsof11> anything on https://kycnot.me/ interest you?
02:33:07 <noobcake2465[m]> ah i didn't know about that site
02:33:29 <noobcake2465[m]> looks interesting
02:33:36 <plowsof11> pluja is the author 
02:33:41 <noobcake2465[m]> crypto was always something i wanted to learn more about hahaha
02:33:53 <noobcake2465[m]> irony of it is i know quite a bit just not about that kind of crypto lol
02:35:58 <noobcake2465[m]> the reason i fucking hate KYC is because ive had issues in the past
02:36:06 <noobcake2465[m]> like i had some identity theft issues is the TLDR
02:36:17 <noobcake2465[m]> due to a breach and basically whenever i do KYC ironially with binance
02:36:22 <noobcake2465[m]> they refuse me
02:36:26 <noobcake2465[m]> and wont give me a reason
02:36:41 <noobcake2465[m]> something something darknet is all i could get out of them when i nagged the shit out of their support for like 6 months lmao
02:37:05 <noobcake2465[m]> the irony is i have perfect credit rating, never done any crimes either that i know of but yeah
02:37:13 <noobcake2465[m]> "we don't discuss" lol
02:37:18 <noobcake2465[m]> actually had that issues with big banking institutions too
02:37:27 <noobcake2465[m]> though smaller ones seem just fine with me being a customer
02:37:41 <noobcake2465[m]> and they all hide behind "we don't discuss business practices"
02:37:57 <noobcake2465[m]> sometimes they'd let me be a customer for like years, in last case my bank i was with them for 12 years lol
02:38:12 <plowsof11> i hope you are able to be an enjoyer of monero soon sir
02:38:14 <noobcake2465[m]> then i get a letter going "we want to terminate our relationship with you blah blah blah (no information)"
02:38:29 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> (Fractional Reserve) Banks r a dying fad anyways
02:38:42 <noobcake2465[m]> they clearly do zero auditing because if they did they'd realize my money comes from legitimate sources
02:38:49 <noobcake2465[m]> namely my employer... which is the government lmao
02:38:52 <plowsof11> she sent me that exact same message 
02:39:20 <noobcake2465[m]> (and no, i'm not a welfare person, i work for a government institution)
02:39:38 <noobcake2465[m]> but yeah they're super fucking lazy and binance is one of the worst
02:39:57 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> Federal institutions init
02:40:01 <noobcake2465[m]> they have basically "become" a shitty bank
02:40:24 <noobcake2465[m]> i'm not so sure banks are dying as such, there's still a lot of usability issues with crypto
02:40:35 <noobcake2465[m]> frankly people are too fucking dumb and forget passwords, get locked out
02:40:48 <noobcake2465[m]> i think if there is crypto as a state currency it will probably be centralized
02:41:00 <noobcake2465[m]> where government has control over it, i think that'll always remain the case
02:41:28 <noobcake2465[m]> the only countries ive seen adopting "btc" or whatever as legal tender either are sanctioned to the hilt or just have such a shitty currency exchange because nobody wants it
02:41:38 <noobcake2465[m]> and are basically failed states
02:43:26 <noobcake2465[m]> wow this kycnot.me is a goood site
02:43:44 <plowsof11> monerica.com is nice too 
02:43:49 <noobcake2465[m]> helps people get up to speed every year i feel like i have to "catch up"
02:44:08 <noobcake2465[m]> but yeah my biggest fear is an exchange will demand KYC and then fuck me
02:44:27 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> Fractional reserve is a toxic, hazardous, and evil system
02:44:27 <noobcake2465[m]> the problem is i don't actually think they check proper AML lists
02:44:39 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> Thank god these banks are collapsing
02:44:51 <noobcake2465[m]> instead what they do is they check private ones like https://complyadvantage.com which are often out of date
02:44:55 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> Then more ppl will use gold/crypto
02:45:23 <noobcake2465[m]> of course banks will never admit what they use to do "compliance checking"
02:45:33 <noobcake2465[m]> but binance did say that the "darknet" thing was a "third party compliance tool"
02:45:36 <noobcake2465[m]> which one, who knows.
02:45:58 <noobcake2465[m]> unfortunately where i live the government has done bullshit laws that basically "protect" banks
02:46:14 <noobcake2465[m]> from actually revealing where/how/what their information is because they don't want to tip off those bad criminals hey
02:46:28 <noobcake2465[m]> so what the banks do is hide behind that and basically say "we don't have to tell you anything other than fuck off"
02:46:36 <noobcake2465[m]> and we don't have to discuss it either
02:47:09 <noobcake2465[m]> though the weird thing is there are some exchanges that work just fine with KYC and are like all good
02:47:26 <noobcake2465[m]> i had good experience with coinspot for example
02:48:26 <noobcake2465[m]> What bank does CoinSpot use?
02:48:26 <noobcake2465[m]> We are officially switching banks from Westpac to ANZ.
02:48:27 <noobcake2465[m]> lmao
02:48:37 <noobcake2465[m]> i wonder if coinspot will tell me to get fucked now
02:48:45 <noobcake2465[m]> because ANZ was the bank that told me to fuck off last time
02:59:54 <nioc> it all depends on what regulations they are following and how little effort they can get away with to do so 
03:07:55 <noobcake2465[m]> well it will probably be okay because i already KYCed with them
03:08:07 <noobcake2465[m]> i just don't want to do it with a tonne of exchanges because of the chance of them having a breach
03:09:27 <noobcake2465[m]> a lot of exchanges in australia won't even deal with monero
03:09:31 <noobcake2465[m]> they hate privacy coins
03:10:06 <noobcake2465[m]> Are privacy coins illegal in Australia?
03:10:06 <noobcake2465[m]> In Australia, local cryptocurrency exchanges do not offer privacy coins like monero, though they are not outright banned like they are in China, India and Japan. Professor Tan said that's likely to remain the case. “A ban of some form is certainly possible.30 Sept 2022
03:10:24 <noobcake2465[m]> https://www.smh.com.au/technology/monero-the-currency-of-choice-of-the-would-be-optus-extorter-20220929-p5blw6.html
03:10:28 <noobcake2465[m]> cry a river
03:16:16 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> We must help them get access to monero in any way or form 😭They need monero
03:18:53 <noobcake2465[m]> yeah i get it anyway typically i do the KYC exchange (buy shitcoin) > no kyc, using VPN (swap shitcoin for XMR)  > no kyc, using Tor (receive XMR move to non-custodial wallet)
05:21:42 <Dazed[m]> > <@noobcake2465:monero.social> Are privacy coins illegal in Australia?
05:21:42 <Dazed[m]> > In Australia, local cryptocurrency exchanges do not offer privacy coins like monero, though they are not outright banned like they are in China, India and Japan. Professor Tan said that's likely to remain the case. “A ban of some form is certainly possible.30 Sept 2022
05:21:42 <Dazed[m]> Drugs are illegal, but that doesn't stop people from purchasing them
06:57:00 <noobcake2465[m]> yeah i have no interest in drugs or porn lol
08:14:29 <cockliuser[m]> <noobcake2465[m]> "yeah i have no interest in drugs..." <- He's using drugs as an example
08:14:50 <cockliuser[m]> Banning Monero won't stop people from buying it
08:14:55 <noobcake2465[m]> lol true.
08:14:58 <noobcake2465[m]> i buy it anyway
08:15:09 <noobcake2465[m]> good for paying for my usenet and vpn accessss
08:15:30 <cockliuser[m]> Even if they go extreme mode and kill all exchanges + ban localmonero domain
08:15:42 <cockliuser[m]> Peer-to-peer trading via an anonymity network will still be possible 
08:15:50 <cockliuser[m]> (like TOR or I2P)
08:16:00 <noobcake2465[m]> i looked at bisq, very few sellers where i am
08:16:07 <noobcake2465[m]> so ill prolly alt-coin shift
08:16:57 <cockliuser[m]> noobcake2465[m]: https://localmonero.co/buy-monero-with-aud-in-australia?language=en
08:18:20 <cockliuser[m]> And premium is not that bad either, spot is 229 AUD while localmonero while cash-on-delivery is 239, price of freedom lol
08:18:38 <cockliuser[m]> s/239/238/
08:19:04 <noobcake2465[m]> yeah might do that.
08:19:21 <noobcake2465[m]> last time i got it from cuntspot and then xfered to gaynance
08:19:33 <noobcake2465[m]> but i don't think i will do that again as cuntspot rags on you to the tax office
08:19:50 <noobcake2465[m]> and binance doesn't let you have any crypto without KYC lol so not doing that again haha
08:21:23 <dodgyboi> .faucet
08:21:23 <Wallet> dodgyboi: This command is disabled in this channel.
08:23:31 <noobcake2465[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "https://localmonero.co/buy-..." <- you're right more sellers on localmonero.co
08:23:38 <noobcake2465[m]> i thought that site shut down, or was it localbitcoin
08:26:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> The latter
09:19:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Neva
09:19:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Localbitcoin did
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09:26:03 <noobcake2465[m]> i should see if my clients will pay monero
09:26:07 <heinrich[m]> GIVING AWAY FREE XMR STICKERS
09:26:19 <heinrich[m]> You only pay for shipping (shipping from Germany)
09:26:52 <heinrich[m]> pm if interested
09:26:52 <noobcake2465[m]> are there any sexworkers here who use monero? I do sex work and i'm thinking about that.
09:27:51 <heinrich[m]> noobcake2465[m]: i have heard of "onlycoins" 
09:27:53 <heinrich[m]> not sure if that platform supports xmr tho
09:29:23 <noobcake2465[m]> yeah probably not
09:33:30 <heinrich[m]> would def love to pay my prostitutes with xmr ^^
09:33:30 <heinrich[m]> but i think this will only happen in case of mass adoption
09:33:37 <heinrich[m]> be the change you want to see
09:34:10 <noobcake2465[m]> a friend of mine used to do stuff for XMR lol
09:35:09 <noobcake2465[m]> heinrich i think it was because they were worried about being banned lol
09:35:43 <noobcake2465[m]> XMR doesn't ask how old you are 🤣 that's why she used it
09:36:00 <noobcake2465[m]> but unfortunately most perverts don't  know what it even is
09:36:02 <heinrich[m]> lol
09:37:35 <noobcake2465[m]> i know she got a head start on her college fund lol
09:38:10 <noobcake2465[m]> https://news.bitcoin.com/while-onlyfans-plans-to-ban-adult-material-crypto-fueled-onlycoins-project-swoops-in-to-support-sex-workers/
09:39:14 <cockliuser[m]> noobcake2465[m]: Wait what
09:39:22 <cockliuser[m]> "Onlyfans bans adult content"
09:39:31 <cockliuser[m]> I thought Onlyfans was adult content 
09:39:38 <noobcake2465[m]> i am confused same
09:39:58 <noobcake2465[m]> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/debanking-sex-industry-gun-shops/100523118
09:39:58 <noobcake2465[m]> its pretty fucked though
09:41:01 <cockliuser[m]> If they ban adult content they'll essentially become a patreon competitor lol
09:42:59 <heinrich[m]> it is time crypto pimps!
09:43:58 <noobcake2465[m]> 3.26 for a quickie 10 xmr if you wanna stay the night!
09:44:12 <noobcake2465[m]> doesn't make us sound too cheap
09:46:09 <dodgyboi> .duckcall
09:46:10 <Wallet> dodgyboi: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
09:46:10 <Wallet> dodgyboi: Duck! (Look up.. Try .bang or .befr)
09:46:15 <dodgyboi> .bang
09:46:15 <Wallet> dodgyboi: YOU GOT IT! Time: ≈322 days 2 hrs 50 min 16.89 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000003 XMR! [eddca924] Ratio: 1 of 1 Bullets: 1 of 2
09:46:55 <dodgyboi> .faucuet
09:46:59 <dodgyboi> .faucet
09:47:00 <Wallet> dodgyboi: This command is disabled in this channel.
09:48:45 <heinrich[m]> noobcake2465[m]: thats quite pricey
09:52:03 <noobcake2465[m]> well normally do 450-500 USD a hour
09:52:10 <noobcake2465[m]> depends tho on if i like the person lol
09:53:32 <heinrich[m]> not bad
09:53:55 <noobcake2465[m]> i'm not some meth whore lmao
10:09:22 <cockliuser[m]> We can all agree that Australia is/was/probably will be a prison colony
10:09:22 <ar-[m]> <noobcake2465[m]> "because ANZ was the bank that..." <- Shit fucking Australian shit. It doesn't matter which one you choose. Australians tend to stay domestic because they always think their stuff is the greatest in the world. 
10:13:29 <noobcake2465[m]> <ar-[m]> "Shit fucking Australian shit. It..." <- well i think it's a case of bipartisan effort
10:13:41 <noobcake2465[m]> when both sides of politics agree on a thing, you rarely get change
10:13:57 <noobcake2465[m]> and tbh its just greedy banks trying to minimize risk by pretending to give a shit about things
10:14:16 <noobcake2465[m]> i've only ever done cash for sex stuff, but have thought about using monero
10:14:25 <noobcake2465[m]> and never been busted so yeah
10:15:18 <noobcake2465[m]> i would never use a banking institution for that kind of thing
10:15:32 <CodingCowboy[m]> noobcake2465[m]: Hmm when both sides agree on a thing the people usually gets screwed.
10:32:12 <heinrich[m]> <noobcake2465[m]> "and never been busted so yeah" <- is it illegal in australia?
10:42:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yes
10:43:25 <heinrich[m]> that sucks
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15:28:34 <modul8[m]> <noobcake2465[m]> "the problem is i don't actually..." <- they probably run your email thru search engines and have i been powned to see what dodgy sites you sign up to (if the site have been breached). i signed up to a new bank recently with new phone number (linux phone yay) and new gmail account. will have to change the details for my other banks i have with those details too. localmonero is the easiest to buy from with no kyc. using mail is
15:28:35 <modul8[m]> surprisingly robust btw.  i still have worries that my early bisq transactions will be questioned. i mean there was one person i was buying from that had the same name but different accounts. seemed a bit dodge.
15:33:33 <modul8[m]> also bisq are very stubborn. they publish the exact price of a buy or sell. so its not hard for a switched in bank to check bisq and see if any $350.45 AUD were recently made on their system and check those tx more cloely. even decoy 'reason/descriptions' for the fait transfers were not entertained by bisq. they want to stick with those random invoice numbers that look suss to the bank.
15:35:25 <modul8[m]> still think bitcoin and fiat transfer is the stupidest thing you can do. traceable on both sides. not worth getting a bank account closed over due to unknown counterparties fiat and bitcoin.
17:19:16 <xmrack[m]> Why did Kovri dies as a project? Can someone give me a tl;dr
17:37:12 <apotheon> xmrack[m]: I think it was social drama of some kind, but that's based on fading memory of some stuff I read about it before COVID.
17:37:24 <apotheon> I wasn't exactly knowledgeable about it.
17:41:50 <selsta> kovri initially forked from i2pd due to inactivity, at some point their dev came back and continued work on i2pd
17:42:05 <selsta> meanwhile kovri only had a single contributor who vanished at some point
17:42:26 <selsta> basically lack of developer resources and it wouldn't make sense to maintain it in addition to i2pd
17:43:02 <selsta> (there were some other contributors from time to time but basically a single main contributor)
17:46:34 <xmrack[m]> got it, thanks
18:03:09 <ceetee[m]> <JacobGonzales[m]> "what do you guys think of lbry..." <- love it. Odysee works great, even in direct comparison with youtube
18:29:21 <xmrfn[m]> I have serious concerns about LBRY and Odyssee
18:30:04 <xmrfn[m]> I wish I could support it, I hate YouTube/GAFAM. But LBRY is not the solution.
18:30:21 <JacobGonzales[m]> Agreed
18:30:25 <JacobGonzales[m]> But it’s the most used alternative
18:30:32 <xmrfn[m]> Some of them are technical -- it's just a company making money off torrents, that's all they are doing for file storage under the covers. 
18:30:32 <JacobGonzales[m]> Peertube isn’t a solution either
18:30:59 <JacobGonzales[m]> Discovery is to complex in peertube
18:31:04 <JacobGonzales[m]> For the average user
18:32:13 <JacobGonzales[m]> How much privacy does Lbry desktop offer to users though ?
18:32:23 <xmrfn[m]> Invidious and PeerTube are the best we have RN, IMO.
18:32:38 <xmrfn[m]> None
18:32:48 <xmrfn[m]> And Obyssee is an intentional data rape
18:32:50 <xmrfn[m]> s/Obyssee/Odyssee/
18:32:58 <JacobGonzales[m]> Explain
18:33:57 <plowsof11> monerobull: natural flow 
18:34:06 <JacobGonzales[m]> Natural flow
18:34:14 <JacobGonzales[m]> I was waiting for the state trooper to come into the chat 💀
18:34:46 <xmrfn[m]> Odyssee sells tracking / ad information and explicitly aligns itself to provide better telemetry to its real customers
18:35:20 <xmrfn[m]> It is extremely two-faced and morally disgusting, marketing as a free speech privacy platform. Odyssey was created because LBRY was going nowhere and funding was a problem
18:39:55 <JacobGonzales[m]> Odysee out of the situation
18:40:04 <JacobGonzales[m]> Is Lbry desktop have any privacy
18:40:22 <xmrfn[m]> And sorry, since I'm in Rigteous Indignation mode, I have to comment on BTT. 
18:40:22 <xmrfn[m]> *sigh* yet another "utility token", not terribly different in concept from LBRY or FIL.
18:40:22 <xmrfn[m]> All three of which are very poor solutions to a problem that we don't actually have
18:40:25 <JacobGonzales[m]> Lbry desktop is completely separate from Odysee
18:40:42 <JacobGonzales[m]> > <@xmrfn:monero.social> And sorry, since I'm in Rigteous Indignation mode, I have to comment on BTT. 
18:40:42 <JacobGonzales[m]> > *sigh* yet another "utility token", not terribly different in concept from LBRY or FIL.
18:40:42 <JacobGonzales[m]> > All three of which are very poor solutions to a problem that we don't actually have
18:40:42 <JacobGonzales[m]> Agreed 
18:41:24 <JacobGonzales[m]> Odysee requires a proof of payment to submit videos while Lbry desktop doesn’t only a wallet address and you can post as long as you have funds
18:41:46 <JacobGonzales[m]> Though the official app has telemetry like crash analytics
18:42:28 <xmrfn[m]> LBRY is not private. It just doen't love tracking you was much as Odyssee. Think Thunderbird connecting to a GMail POP, versus using GMail in-browser with Javascript and all
18:42:31 <xmrfn[m]> And both are created by the same company, the same group of less than a dozen people
18:42:33 <xmrfn[m]>  * Both LBRY and Odyssey are created by the same company, the same group of less than a dozen people
18:48:19 <ceetee[m]> make something better, convince content creators and I'll switch. No tech is perfect, but its better then youtube
18:48:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> They wont switch cause no 💰
18:49:28 <ceetee[m]> a platform without people is worthless
18:49:30 <xmrfn[m]> Personally I think PeerTube is the right way to go. The pickup in Mastodon helps, it's all ActivityPub
18:50:24 <xmrfn[m]> PeerTube is selfhosted & Febderated so it has the same benefits and drawbacks of that model. 
18:50:31 <xmrfn[m]> s/Febderated/Federated/
18:50:33 <ceetee[m]> sry plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  for sparking this ot discussion
18:50:58 <xmrfn[m]> Oh shi- whe should have been doing all this on the OT channel :/
18:51:21 <plowsof11> im not allowed to ruin peoples fun please continue 
18:51:34 <ceetee[m]> yeah didn't notice either ._.
18:51:59 <xmrfn[m]> s/whe/we/
18:52:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bad mod
18:52:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Just monero randomly and its ok
18:52:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * Just say monero randomly
18:53:30 <xmrfn[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): Most YT creators already pitch their Patreon or similar. 
18:56:58 <xmrfn[m]> In addition to (or better, instead of) pitching their Discord, creators could just as well pitch access to their PeerTube instance, which is probably a better match for a YouTuber than Discord anyway.
19:06:01 <uncle_rae> ah :(
19:12:46 <Rucknium[m]> Mordinal-educated people, is there an easy way to get the tx ids of all Mordinals? monerobull ?
19:13:00 <monerobull[m]> uh
19:13:19 <monerobull[m]> just search the last 2 weeks for stuff thats larger than 5kb?
19:13:36 <monerobull[m]> i know you can querry all the moneropunks
19:13:58 <monerobull[m]> i guess you could scrape mordinals.org
19:13:59 <monerobull[m]> but they censor stuff
19:14:09 <monerobull[m]> in which case there isnt a tx i
19:14:10 <monerobull[m]> d
19:14:40 <Rucknium[m]> Is there a specific tag in tx_extra for mordinals?
19:15:00 <monerobull[m]> hm
19:15:19 <slave_blocker> hello good day
19:15:26 <monerobull[m]> 57ee14193fd8a8754f166c2444baaf3e2ff63e4b7ddb84a97ecf36f27dcd2647
19:15:30 <monerobull[m]> c2312048d37bebc23104d2ca5901b114ff1a8bdd5c5304f9b31deb2d0e40a404
19:15:35 <monerobull[m]> aa1583be77d0402281984aa74265908c5c8764016e0f659a054823623e3d82bc
19:15:38 <monerobull[m]> 483063f7c915b5c83f0e2e4d3fe3e9f3ecdb826117b1b124e28da495c57eb19b
19:15:41 <monerobull[m]> 8af106940138921e28a43ea97c0fa0fc1aa2a7cd20a24da6f2c326316d418182
19:15:46 <monerobull[m]> bae59bf440875111807fbfa908278757ac46146cc79af506b2450b9407ba38c7
19:15:51 <monerobull[m]> 1a31ef59f8277fc7d0c353c4449566cb90a9cf6c5d3b64b3fff645567d97d4f4
19:15:54 <slave_blocker> how does the block propagation happen in monero
19:15:55 <monerobull[m]> 4e9fed54c9a41e6076de4bf64a89c7bc4251d1bde483f9fce427990868a7f536
19:16:01 <monerobull[m]> 6f4e749fe80f76a2b1d2e3abd8cdd2fcd6a68c794b8e90ff59f52474fc5a9f44
19:16:05 <monerobull[m]> 17d2a20a805b449e761681e7c3a005422e56db161e441e872b88e53b26538915
19:16:14 <monerobull[m]> here are most of my monerochans
19:16:19 <cockliuser[m]> 😭
19:16:43 <monerobull[m]> cockliuser[m]: https://mordinals.org/item/267 😭
19:17:21 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: What I mean by tags: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1381/how-are-the-various-tx-extra-types-formats-used
19:17:21 <monerobull[m]> rucknium
19:17:22 <monerobull[m]> i put anime morbs on the morbchain
19:17:24 <Rucknium[m]> slave_blocker: AFAIK, the same as with other proof of work cryptocurrencies
19:17:33 <monerobull[m]> you dont seriously expect me to know the deeper workings of this 
19:18:01 <monerobull[m]> 😅
19:18:13 <Rucknium[m]> I hoped that there was an API or something
19:18:18 <cockliuser[m]> Rucknium[m]: There's some documentatioj
19:18:23 <cockliuser[m]> * There's some documentation
19:18:25 <cockliuser[m]> https://mordinals.gitbook.io/handbook/how-does-it-work
19:18:59 <slave_blocker> hello good dayhum
19:20:21 <slave_blocker> how does the block propagation happen in monerorucknium
19:20:42 <slave_blocker> so the entire block is propagated through the network?
19:23:40 <Rucknium[m]> You mean does it use a shortcut like xthinner? A good question for sech1
19:25:17 <slave_blocker> so the entire block is propagated through the network?ive been studying bulletproofs for a year now only on weekends and ive still could not write it verbatim
19:25:31 <slave_blocker> i also only have weekends
19:25:34 <slave_blocker> and
19:25:39 <slave_blocker> ...well
19:26:21 <slave_blocker> it seems to me that there is something logarithmic in this case aswell
19:26:41 <slave_blocker> because if every node has a sorted mempool of tx's
19:26:47 <slave_blocker> ...
19:26:50 <sech1> Monero uses fluffy blocks for fast propagation
19:26:58 <sech1> basically just a header + list of transaction hashes
19:26:59 <slave_blocker> what is xthinner?
19:27:45 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: It looks like mordinals have tag "10" after the standard tx_extra pub key.
19:27:50 <slave_blocker> oh thats great
19:28:05 <wormfeed> Hopefully Ordinals pick up enough to where 15 of the decoy signatures in a tx are all NFTs so we can easily identify and de-anonymize transactions 
19:28:08 <Rucknium[m]> Parsing tx_extra is my favorite thing to do. (This is false.)
19:28:10 <slave_blocker> thats pretty slick already 
19:28:12 <slave_blocker> :)
19:28:14 <monerobull[m]> well, have fun doing your statistics on them
19:28:27 <slave_blocker> always wondered what fluffy blocks where
19:28:33 <slave_blocker> now i know
19:29:57 <slave_blocker> hum
19:30:13 <slave_blocker> i watched monero talk and heard about these mordinals
19:30:24 <slave_blocker> i emptied my monero bags
19:30:31 <slave_blocker> was not much
19:30:42 <slave_blocker> :(
19:32:05 <slave_blocker> as far as i understand tx extra has a functionality for sub addresses aswell as for the tx public key
19:32:26 <slave_blocker> cant tx extra be truncated for only that functionality
19:32:27 <slave_blocker> ?
19:32:35 <xfedex[m]> Yes
19:32:43 <slave_blocker> so all nodes upgrade to that?
19:32:56 <slave_blocker> or would that be a hard fork?
19:33:31 <cockliuser[m]> <wormfeed> "Hopefully Ordinals pick up..." <- Eh most probably that won't happen
19:34:22 <cockliuser[m]> wormfeed:  Bitcoin ordinals were 10k in a week I think
19:34:35 <cockliuser[m]> While monero ordinals have hardly reached 1k
19:34:37 <Rucknium[m]> There is a plan to limit tx_extra length in transaction relay rules. IMHO, it won't be very effective because even 10% of miners with un-upgraded nodes could confirm mordinals. An effective method would be a hard fork.
19:34:45 <xfedex[m]> @slave_blocker: the latest version of Monero from source has a quick fix: it already limits tx_extra to 1060 bytes. Blocks containing transactions with extra > 1060 bytes won't be rejected, but the nodes refuse to broadcast the txs (they don't add them in mempool)
19:34:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> cockliuser[m]: The software didnt work
19:35:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> And rpc wasnt released 
19:35:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Release rpc 
19:35:48 <cockliuser[m]> mordinals repo is a pain to compile 
19:35:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ordinals coming out if morbinals are under the 255byte proposal 
19:35:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> cockliuser[m]: Nope
19:35:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fixed
19:36:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> But rpc is set to not build
19:36:43 <xfedex[m]> cockliuser[m]: Sir, this is C++
19:36:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Making for 1.7kb 1in 2out transactions 
19:36:46 <slave_blocker> https://github.com/slave-blocker/oeis-and-a-nft-standard
19:36:54 <slave_blocker> i like nft's
19:36:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: When the norm is 1.5kb
19:37:13 <slave_blocker> but they should always be on the heviest chain
19:37:15 <xfedex[m]> Why is C++ dependencies handling so... uncomfortable? And why is cross-compiling C++ to different OS/architectures such a pain?
19:37:22 <slave_blocker> no need to have them in xmr
19:37:29 <slave_blocker> im sad about this
19:38:13 <slave_blocker> back to the block propagation topic
19:38:17 <xfedex[m]> Ye, probably the best chain for NFTs is Solana
19:38:25 <cockliuser[m]> Nah
19:38:28 <slave_blocker> header + list of tx hashes is very slick
19:38:29 <cockliuser[m]> BTC
19:38:35 <slave_blocker> can we do better
19:38:36 <cockliuser[m]> best chain for NFTs ^
19:38:37 <slave_blocker> ?
19:38:40 <xfedex[m]> sir, BTC has a lot of fees and is slow
19:39:06 <cockliuser[m]> xfedex[m]: But Solana has downtime 😵‍💫
19:39:10 <cockliuser[m]> Blockchain with downtime
19:39:21 <xfedex[m]> cockliuser[m]: It's not actually *that* much
19:39:26 <jeffro256[m]> Rucknium[m]: You wouldn't necessarily need a hard fork for this. Since the new rules would be a strict subset of the old rules, you could do a soft fork so nodes maintain backwards compatibility 
19:39:33 <xfedex[m]> when you make NFTs you usually don't care about decentralization
19:39:51 <jeffro256[m]> xfedex[m]: Agrred
19:39:51 <XMRPriest[m]> Tx extra will be killed soon enough
19:39:57 <XMRPriest[m]> That’s why I haven’t emptied my bags
19:40:15 <Rucknium[m]> jeffro256: That's technically true. But a supermajority of miners have to agree to the soft fork like in BTC
19:40:15 <cockliuser[m]> xfedex @xfedex:matrix.org:  a tx to be included in Solana you also have to literally ddos the nodes until your tx gets included
19:40:30 <cockliuser[m]> * xfedex @xfedex:matrix.org: for a tx
19:40:35 <xfedex[m]> cockliuser[m]: i think i once sent a tx on solana and it went fine on first attempt
19:41:28 <cockliuser[m]> Yeah but the model is keep sending transaction over UDP until it's accepted lol
19:41:51 <slave_blocker> i dont know what solana is , and i doubt it has the metric of 2.3 million fastest btc miners defining time in a dicrete digital fashion.
19:41:52 <jeffro256[m]> Rucknium[m]: Yeah, but it would be better than just relay rules probabky 
19:42:13 <cockliuser[m]> So basically Solana model is first transaction to get included in a block has DDOSed nodes most efficiently 
19:42:20 <cockliuser[m]> kinda funny 
19:42:47 <jeffro256[m]> slave_blocker: It's like if they turned Skype into a crypticurrency
19:43:06 <xfedex[m]> slave_blocker: slave_blocker solana is a nearly feeless and fast NFT blockchain. It's also super centralized and 100% premined, but you usually don't care about that when you create an NFT or a shittoken
19:44:03 <xfedex[m]> i would feel more comfortable storing enough money to mint a couple NFTs on Solana (like $0.10?) than doing NFTs on Monero
19:44:07 <cockliuser[m]> No hype surrounding Solana NFTs though that's for sure
19:44:29 <wormfeed> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj4poJOInDo
19:45:13 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: Confirmed. The Mordinals tx_extra tag is "10" https://github.com/mooonero/mordinals/commit/f4e96693f15609eba4c5328d17100e351a785d35#diff-4e85586c940537a87dee875a90f2ccac0c0f27cdda62c0b1c1419390a87c9a8eR43
19:45:13 <xfedex[m]> Side-trips: what do you want? Please let me know how I can help you before sending private message requests
19:45:57 <monerobull[m]> It's statistics time. Statistics all over the morb statistics 
19:46:45 <cockliuser[m]> 0x10
19:46:55 <cockliuser[m]> so 16
19:47:01 <xfedex[m]> 0x10 != 10
19:47:39 <cockliuser[m]> 16 not a bad number :P
19:47:45 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: I am doing empirical effective ring size effect of P2Pool outputs. So I may compared Mordinals effect
19:48:37 <cockliuser[m]> Rucknium, why not all coinbase instead of p2pool outputs?
19:48:40 <Side-trips[m]> xfedex[m]: I just liked the profile pic and was curious to know if you could tell me what inspired the colors that aren't monero? 
19:48:45 <monerobull[m]> Rucknium[m]: Looking forward to seeing the results on monero.house 😜
19:48:47 <Rucknium[m]> Null hex doesn't show up in block explorers. Anyway, I will go parse. At some point
19:48:54 <xfedex[m]> Side-trips[m]: They are wownero colors
19:49:30 <xfedex[m]> wownero is a monero memecoin fork, and both the first private memecoin and the first solo-mining coin ever
19:50:00 <Rucknium[m]> cockliuser: It will be all coinbase. But most coinbases have one output. Before the recent upgrade P2Pool had about 70 outputs per coinbase tx on average. P2Pool dominates the coinbase effect.
19:50:49 <Rucknium[m]> I calculated the "theoretical" effect here: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/109
19:51:22 <Rucknium[m]> under simplifying assumptions. I have code to pull the empirical data from the blockchain now.
19:51:43 <slave_blocker> xfedex, i dont get why the strict capping of txextra... what if a tx uses hundreds of dubaddresses and stuff in that field?
19:52:05 <xfedex[m]> There is a limit of 16 outputs per transaction
19:52:27 <slave_blocker> and assuming that it could be capped on the needed functionality only, could the network just upgarde to that without a hard fork
19:52:29 <slave_blocker> ?
19:52:59 <xfedex[m]> the strict limit of 1060 has been picked because no classic transaction can have more than 1060 bytes tx_extra
19:54:10 <slave_blocker> so is there still place for "dust" space for a new nft?
19:54:17 <slave_blocker> if you know what i mean
19:54:24 <slave_blocker> or is this shit solved
19:54:57 <slave_blocker> brb
19:56:28 <cockliuser[m]> slave_blocker: A hard fork is needed to cap tx_extra
19:56:57 <XMRPriest[m]> Or to remove it
19:57:03 <cockliuser[m]> slave_blocker: technically there always will be dust space for NFTs, it's impossible to prevent
19:57:33 <Rucknium[m]> In hindsight, the August 2022 hard fork was a missed opportunity to limit tx_extra IMHO.
19:58:48 <slave_blocker> thanks so much
19:58:56 <slave_blocker> good luck
19:59:18 <cockliuser[m]> XMR Priest: sure, but current consensus is to limit it, removing it opens up a whole new can of worms
19:59:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cockli, bs
19:59:38 <Rucknium[m]> Eliminating the user-defined tx lock time was also discussed before last hard fork. No consensus was reached.
19:59:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Leaving it leaves a can of worms 
19:59:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doors that are already open dont magically become open 
20:00:07 <xmrfn[m]> Rucknium: monerobull "10" isn't guaranteed to be a mordinal, that's any TX_EXTRA_NONCE_ENCRYPTED_PAYMENT_ID. I think you should also consider the decoy list. All decoys will be the same, outputs a zero key, specifically theirs https://localmonero.co/blocks/search/35ccad6e5f36a4320d1296ecb02ee34ce1591096658f236915943d2e55e43007
20:00:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: A cheap**** can of worms
20:01:28 <cockliuser[m]> lol they'll just steg through outputs though 
20:01:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Targeted attacks become expensive 
20:02:02 <cockliuser[m]> which is much more harmful to onchain privacy 
20:03:03 <Rucknium[m]> xmrfn: Isn't that when a Mordinal is transferred, not when it is created?
20:03:18 <nioc> user-defined tx lock time should be eliminated    
20:03:21 <nioc> consensus is now reached
20:03:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> No it isnt 
20:03:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> At all
20:04:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Limiting to 255 etc means I can use 255+steg. Thx for the freebie
20:04:35 <Rucknium[m]> I just checked a Mordinal minting tx. Appears that it doesn't use nonstandard decoy selection. It's the transfer that uses nonstandard decoy selection I think
20:05:41 <monerobull[m]> yeah transfers are supposed to set all the outputs as obvious burns
20:05:42 <monerobull[m]> so the protocol can keep track of who now owns it
20:05:44 <cockliuser[m]> I thought you couldn't burn coins in monero though 
20:05:55 <monerobull[m]> why not?
20:06:02 <monerobull[m]> sent em to 000000000000000?
20:06:20 <xmrfn[m]> Rucknium: FML you're right looking a few more seconds I see 10 is literally tx_extra_ordinal_register
20:06:21 <monerobull[m]> s/sent/send/
20:06:29 <cockliuser[m]> that's not a burn though, someone could own a pubkey for that
20:06:36 <monerobull[m]> uhu
20:06:37 <monerobull[m]> sure
20:06:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Burning bug anyone
20:07:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is what kaya means about having too many people commenting in the subject 
20:07:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody RTFM
20:07:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Monero gas
20:07:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Everybody voting with their hearts 
20:07:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Hearts and minds
20:07:45 <boog900[m]> > <@xmrfn:monero.social> Rucknium: monerobull "10" isn't guaranteed to be a mordinal, that's any TX_EXTRA_NONCE_ENCRYPTED_PAYMENT_ID. I think you should also consider the decoy list. All decoys will be the same, outputs a zero key, specifically theirs https://localmonero.co/blocks/search/35ccad6e5f36a4320d1296ecb02ee34ce1591096658f236915943d2e55e43007
20:07:45 <boog900[m]> > 
20:07:45 <boog900[m]> That tag comes after a TX_EXTRA_NONCE, inside the nonce field I think 
20:08:03 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr: if we limit to 1060, mordinals people will make the size limit for mordinals 1060 bytes or make multiple transactions for it
20:08:20 <cockliuser[m]> Because currently they claim to "not try to hurt monero's privacy" lol
20:08:22 <boog900[m]> The TX_EXTRA_TAG_ORDINALS will be its own field
20:08:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> cockliuser[m]: They already are
20:08:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> At 200 bytes
20:08:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Way ahead of ya
20:08:45 <xmrfn[m]>  * Rucknium: monerobull Edit: "10" is a mordinal
20:09:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1.7kb tx all over your decoys
20:09:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wonderful little exclusions 
20:10:44 <xmrfn[m]> At least the extremely lo-fi limits the attractiveness, and the limited size minimizes bloat 
20:11:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> It doesnt 
20:11:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morbs is pumping out poisoned outputs every few seconds 
20:11:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Let them 10x their operation 
20:12:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or release rpc and 100x it
20:12:18 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr: wot @ 200 bytes
20:12:26 <cockliuser[m]> Last one was 1.1kb
20:12:32 <cockliuser[m]> on mordinals.org
20:12:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> By them?
20:12:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Site down for me
20:12:59 <XMRPriest[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "XMR Priest: sure, but current..." <- We are putting a bandaid on a stab wound, let’s open that can of worms now.. we can’t just keep putting it off 
20:13:07 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Them who 😭 anyone can mint a morbinal
20:13:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> The team who is uploading 99% of them 😭😭😭😭😭
20:14:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> The other ones were minted by US
20:14:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lmao
20:14:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morbinals never minted a 100kb nft
20:14:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or put gifs of chain m
20:14:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morbinals website and little server is just a rpi that sends a few transactions every few mins non stop
20:18:11 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Oh moneropunks.com
20:18:21 <cockliuser[m]> For some weird fucking reason 1k became 1019
20:18:26 <cockliuser[m]> On that website 
20:18:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yea
20:21:26 <plowsof11> inflation 
20:22:18 <xmrfn[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Morbinals website and little..." <- Man, it's like they are *forcing* us to hardfork. Do they not understand how they hurt the fungibility of the chain?
20:22:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> We have to hard fork anyway
20:24:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Might as well do what we can in what is hopefully the last HF before seraphis 
20:29:18 <cockliuser[m]> <xmrfn[m]> "Man, it's like they are *forcing..." <- Nah
20:29:54 <XMRPriest[m]> They don’t care, it’s like a virus moving from chain to chain
20:30:12 <XMRPriest[m]> NFT pandemic on monero lol
20:30:16 <cockliuser[m]> 20k average tx in day vs 239 average mordinals tx in day
20:30:29 <cockliuser[m]> They aren't impact anonset much
20:30:33 <cockliuser[m]> *impacting
20:30:48 <XMRPriest[m]> Right now…
20:31:03 <XMRPriest[m]> Why assume monero will stay a small project
20:31:20 <XMRPriest[m]> Bitcoin went to 10k transactions within a week in ordinals
20:31:58 <XMRPriest[m]> If monero finally becomes a popular coin could be such a worse outcome, you kill it before it gets to that point
20:32:25 <cockliuser[m]> I'm sourcing my tx data from https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-transactions.html#3y lol
20:33:07 <cockliuser[m]> And apologies, average mordinals tx per day is 120 something 
20:33:54 <cockliuser[m]> So 120 in 20000, not impacting anonset that much lol
20:34:11 <XMRPriest[m]> I worried about the future, glad it’s staying a small
20:34:21 <XMRPriest[m]> I don’t want 120 per day to grow
20:34:27 <cockliuser[m]> It won't blow up because no one cares honestly 
20:34:57 <cockliuser[m]> It's transfer function is sending coins to probably "burn" outputs
20:35:26 <cockliuser[m]> And burning coins isn't even possible in monero
20:35:36 <cockliuser[m]> s/It's/Its/
20:35:42 <cockliuser[m]> s/It's/Its/, s/probably/provably/
20:35:48 <cockliuser[m]> Fuxk autocorrect
20:36:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Print more monero
20:36:13 <XMRPriest[m]> An attacker wouldn’t care, it’s still a weakness that’s exploitable
20:36:30 <XMRPriest[m]> When someone would want to continuously send them and it wouldn’t cost much
20:36:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "They aren't impact anonset much" <- I shall not be tempted, your temptress 
20:36:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im starting tl think some of you WANT the chain attacked 🥹
20:37:05 <cockliuser[m]> XMRPriest[m]: An attacker would just spam 16 outputs tx'es
20:37:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🥳
20:37:16 <cockliuser[m]> * An attacker would just spam 16 outputs TXs
20:37:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> And whats stooping then from doing that now 
20:37:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lmao 
20:37:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exactly why its not simple remove Txextra 
20:37:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> But also tonstandsrdize number if outputs 
20:38:27 <ceetee[m]> How much does each byte of TX_extra in every scenario (no limit, 1060bytes limit, 256bytes limit, no txextra)? Did somebody run the numbers?
20:38:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> And a shitload more that was involved over the years that this complicated subject has somehow been boiled down to "tx extra"
20:38:39 <ceetee[m]> * every scenario cost (no limit,
20:38:50 <XMRPriest[m]> I like how the philosophy seems don’t fix a problem that not really a problem now till it’s a problem in the future then we need to fix it
20:39:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its even, we know its a problem but because were unpopular its nit a problem.
20:39:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> FJCK THE FED
20:39:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Ill pay 625k to anyone who can deaninymize the chain" - fed
20:39:53 <XMRPriest[m]> * problem that’s not
20:40:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Re the costs. Yeuuh
20:41:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Over the 2 years the door has been open, dumb attackers are missing our in free lunch 
20:41:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Out on*
20:41:37 <xmrfn[m]> XMR Priest:  There is a balance. We should fix things when we understand clearly the problem and the effects of solutions. 
20:41:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> We do
20:41:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmrfn @xmrfn:monero.social: 
20:42:13 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: tx fees are supposed to prevent Sybil attacks 
20:42:52 <xmrfn[m]> and spamming
20:42:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Speculation/theory/themainstream narrstive kinda sucks 
20:42:58 <xmrfn[m]> and deanons that can come from spamming
20:42:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reality is a bit different 
20:43:06 <XMRPriest[m]> xmrfn[m]: It’s been almost 3 year debate 
20:43:42 <xmrfn[m]> Monordinals is a new twist requiring new evaluation of the threat landscape
20:43:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Itd really not though 
20:44:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its been long thought out 
20:44:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morbunals is just nfts for exposure
20:44:18 <xmrfn[m]> Active shooter versus lots of polite armed folks
20:44:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> We had mrl logs on chain months ago
20:44:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> MRL logs on chain wasnt a polite armed folk
20:45:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe I should open a ccs like was suggested 
20:45:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> And see if IRS tries to outbid 🥹
20:45:47 <serrq[m]> Hi everyone, I am not a developer. 
20:45:47 <serrq[m]> I plan to leave Android and switch to Manjaro Plasma Mobile (PinePhone Pro) in the next months.
20:45:47 <serrq[m]> Have you idea about I can manage a Monero wallet in that phone?
20:46:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats a good question ^ 
20:46:27 <cockliuser[m]> > <@serrq:matrix.org> Hi everyone, I am not a developer.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5411d5de88a011324d202bec978fd6e70ece9dc1>)
20:46:42 <cockliuser[m]> Because most GUIs aren't made for small displays 
20:47:21 <xmrfn[m]> I was able to use the GUI on Mobian on Pine
20:47:58 <serrq[m]> Monerujo can run on Plasma Mobile?
20:48:06 <cockliuser[m]> serrq[m]: monero-wallet-gui
20:48:22 <xmrfn[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#gui
20:48:54 <serrq[m]> This run in Manjaro Plasma Mobile?
20:49:18 <xmrfn[m]> I haven't tried on Manjaro so can't vouch, but I think it should
20:49:18 <xmrfn[m]> https://downloads.getmonero.org/gui/linux64
20:49:29 <cockliuser[m]> serrq[m]: https://software.manjaro.org/package/monero-gui ? 
20:51:28 <serrq[m]> You are a hero.
23:10:28 <jeffro256[m]> @UkoeHB is the gamma picker off by 2? 
23:11:36 <jeffro256[m]> No wait off by 1, my bad 
23:12:23 <jeffro256[m]> Because it doesn't take the -(DEFAULT_AGE +1)th rct_offsets into account 
23:13:12 <Rucknium[m]> jeffro256: It is you who is off by one...room :P
23:13:20 <jeffro256[m]> lol
23:13:35 <jeffro256[m]> Thanks... I would not have noticed