00:53:32 Hello. Where I can find editors of getmonero.com?... (full message at ) 00:55:34 Contact people on the contributor list of https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site 00:55:58 e.g. ErC 00:59:14 jeffro256[m]: thx, I will 01:02:06 localmonero.co block russia too? 01:02:06 maybe we should make a replacement... Did not test with my russia VPN since localbitcoins did ban Russia too... 01:03:23 * M1chan1941[m] uploaded an image: (53KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/midov.pl/MSNnvptzQBVMWAXdwRQMQsLn/image.png > 01:03:25 yes, that is what I see: 01:04:55 oh,... I will test later on my side. 01:04:55 I guess if it does I will get my contact to trade OTC on signal or something, or find another platform until a proper platform is available 01:06:36 localmonero operate a tor link yes/no 01:07:13 https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalMonero/comments/71rvdf/tor_hidden_service_onion_site_now_available/ 01:07:57 thanks, http://nehdddktmhvqklsnkjqcbpmb63htee2iznpcbs5tgzctipxykpj6yrid.onion/ and an i2p link also 01:08:09 Yeah, localmonero does support tor but... 01:08:09 it have no "Russia" country in the list, won't really work to find proper trader 01:08:22 * M1chan1941[m] uploaded an image: (25KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/midov.pl/MFPIXoUhtGjzSRdTThxScOhs/image.png > 01:08:24 well, that's disgusting, I'm going to stop using there services. 01:09:24 Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: 01:09:41 https://monero.observer/localmonero-confirms-russia-removal-february-1-2023/ 01:09:58 thanks jeffro256! 01:10:02 https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1638322864221814792 01:10:11 It was fun while it lasted 01:11:29 plowsof11: Thanks. 01:11:52 "yes, that is what I see:" <- maybe you can also contact https://xmr.ru/ v1docq47 for advise? 01:13:17 > <@1chan1941:midov.pl> Hello. Where I can find editors of getmonero.com?... (full message at ) 01:13:37 So the best solution would be to create a similar service, host it un Russia and not block anyone. 01:14:22 the tor link works btw, just asks for a captcha 01:15:05 ehh the longer one (not the 5 year old reddits thread) nvm 01:15:21 Wow Alex|LocalMonero ... that 01:15:26 s pretty... fucked up 01:16:37 I guess I'll start thinking twice about using Localmonero. 01:17:41 Alex|LocalMonero: You don't understand the idea of crypto. The community should not ban some random countries. If the owner of the getmonero.org would be from Russia and banned whole the world would you be happy? 01:17:41 I'm sorry to hear that. 01:17:55 Mochi101: 01:18:34 IT might help if you gave a reason. 01:19:40 Mochi101: As I've said, we are, *for now*, legally required to. 01:20:48 Alex|LocalMonero, what happens if one day a government legally obliges you to give all your data about recent trades and ip addresses to them? 01:20:58 Soooo…sup with fluffypony 01:21:59 I guess we already know the answer... 01:22:54 Mochi101: If they follow all the legal process with getting court approval and a subpoena issued in our jurisdiction we'd have to comply, otherwise we'd have to close down and perhaps also face criminal charges. 01:23:59 Though we don't associate any IPs with accounts, so there's nothing to give in that sene. 01:24:03 sense* 01:24:33 Alex|LocalMonero, Localmonero is based in Singapore? 01:24:43 No, BVI. 01:24:49 ah ok 01:27:51 localmonero are transparent about any legal requests received via their canary page 01:28:48 Timestamp (UTC): 2022-12-18 03:20:03 01:29:14 plowsof11: the community should not use sites that follow some random restrictions about random countries 01:30:21 M1chan1941[m]: Please talk to members of the XMR.RU community and they will advise you. Crypto is decentralized enough to not care about one particular business serving a jurisdiction or not. 01:30:53 You also have Bisq and Haveno is launching in April I think. 01:31:46 We link to Haveno and Bisq on the same page the says you're accessing from a blocked country, by the way. 01:32:21 Mochi101: We update it every 120 days. 01:32:27 ic 01:36:47 "Please talk to members of the..." <- localmonero.co was the only way in Russia, to buy crypto IRL p2p, and you say something like UK police said you to ban ip from Russia. Who would believe in that? Or you are idiot, or you think all in community are idiots 01:38:27 ШИЗ: insulting the proprietor is not usually the most effective way to get a store opened in your area. 01:39:58 xmrfn[m]: If some people lie and don't/don't give correct information they are not much respected 01:47:24 "If some people lie and don't/don..." <- We're not lying. We wouldn't restrict any region unless we had to. We have nothing against the Russian people, who aren't all responsible for the actions of the governments that happen to control the area they live in. 01:48:16 If we just hated Russians then we wouldn't be saying that we will endeavor to re-enable the region as soon as we can. 01:50:45 Alex|LocalMonero: So the UK police emailed you and said - please ban Russian ip? Or you had any other official request? And the police said that you can not publish the request? 01:53:37 No, that's not how it works. 01:54:41 customer facing roles suck 01:54:47 Well I wound understand about restrictions from localbitcoins or any other bitcoin site, but monero-extrimists, I don't get it, it is against unwritten rules of the community 01:56:09 Wait what's wrong with monero-extremeists i want to know 01:56:11 I get it, and I'm truly sorry. 😔 01:57:06 bridgerton[m]: Alex from localmonero is not a monero-extremist 01:58:40 Rules of the community 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 01:58:43 I would think each of us is the sole expert on what our opinions are, including whether we are XMR extremists. 01:58:44 Im going to bed 01:59:25 plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: ban Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: and seth 01:59:32 Damn traitors 01:59:33 traitors^^^^^^ 01:59:40 Lmao 01:59:57 Get rid of sgp: too 02:00:58 isn't there a russian/monero telegram group 🤔 02:01:20 Isn’t telegram a Russian company tho 02:01:31 Security risk ? Since Group’s aren’t private ? 02:02:31 "Telegram is registered as a company in the British Virgin Islands[9] and as an LLC in Dubai." 02:02:32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software) 02:02:44 Oh interesting 02:03:06 i just see an xmr dot ru TG gorup with 800~ members and russian text, im sure one of them know where to buy monero 02:03:25 Good to know, idk why it was Russian lol but thanks for the clarity 02:03:30 you can only make Alex apologise enough before you need to fix the problem yourself 02:03:42 * M1chan1941[m] uploaded an image: (99KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/midov.pl/aExlvWIDEheatifnXNjmPUqo/image.png > 02:04:03 Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: plowsof has requested s formal apology, on your knees 02:04:18 i stubbed my toe today Alex 02:04:34 I am once again asking for your forgiveness. 02:06:05 Alex|LocalMonero: isn't a person forgiven after he fixes his mistakes? 02:06:12 No 02:06:36 Its not a mistake if it was done intentionally 02:07:25 I'm really glad I joined the Moral Philosophy Matrix Room 02:07:30 I don’t think he wants to go to jail nor fully shut down local monero 02:07:57 Never forgive. Never forget. Always be petty, irrational and unreasonable 02:08:13 im literally scrolling through the xmr dot ru TG group .. 60 ish people online waiting for your message 02:08:15 It’s a temporary restriction, need to find a decentralized option to avoid laws but even that doesn’t work #thornadocash 02:08:35 Its purine fault anyway 02:08:37 Putins 02:09:00 If he was smart Russia would buy all the neros and pamp it 02:09:06 But nooooooooo 02:09:23 Buy the digital ruble 02:09:26 Both sides of the war suck 02:09:37 Gotta Pamp it up 02:09:38 * plowsof11 uploaded an image: (108KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/sDTTModkUHQsFwUXXcdIvhEx/Screenshot%20from%202023-03-22%2002-09-24.png > 02:09:56 Oh man if we're devolving into world politics can it please go to the OT? 02:09:59 plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 02:09:59 Nobody is listening to you😃ok?? 02:10:24 but.. theyre right there 😭 waiting.. with a wealth of knowledge 02:10:57 I wasnt talking politics, just saying "youd think Monero would be widely adopted..... missed opportuites im Russia" 02:11:17 There are hardened versions of telegram on android like Nekogram x 02:11:28 Or I assume it’s a more private version 02:11:43 It connects to telegram and it’s foss 02:12:15 Nekogram >> telegram foss 02:12:33 I wouldnt know. I dont have tg 02:12:56 whistling back to off topic 02:14:32 "Get rid of sgp: too" <- This is overdue :) 02:16:11 Been a while since someone fud the SGP name haha 02:17:09 "> <@1chan1941:midov.pl> sent..." <- briar "probably okay" ?? 02:18:10 Briar is my pick for best/most secure messaging app https://briarproject.org/how-it-works/ 02:18:43 Yes but your social capital is flaky 02:18:58 Can you backup briar somehow? 02:19:16 s/is/has/, s/flaky/no redundancy/ 02:20:28 also how is signal so bad here... 02:20:42 Briar is true P2P, no servers 02:23:16 And yes you can back it up, the messages are all on your device 02:34:03 Molly is a great fork of signal 02:34:11 Plus monero integration in the future 02:34:22 Idk why there is hate for signal tho 02:41:44 Hello I'm new here 02:46:15 🥸 you didn’t say the password when you joined 02:46:35 Needs to be banned 02:48:30 Molly 02:48:30 ... signal fork, monero payments maybe, and no phone? 02:48:40 🤯 02:48:56 One day 02:49:31 Nah I’m messing with you, I guess I wasn’t funny but Welcome brother 02:49:36 Seth uses simplex, not sure how great it is 02:50:05 Ok you scared me for one sec and had me panicing 😭 02:50:16 Hello xmrover 02:50:27 Hello 02:51:27 I'm new here too. These guys are kind of funny! 02:53:55 ofrnxmr[m]: I haven't studied it in detail, but TBH they trumpet the "no user id" thing so hard... it's one privacy feature of IMO dubious value, not a magic bullet 02:54:28 And they still rely on servers 02:55:50 Where are the servers based ? 02:55:55 Briar is p2p by creating onions 02:56:40 XMRPriest[m]: Vps somewhere 02:56:42 yeah, Briar I can have a handle which is damn convenient and really it's all encrypted nobody but the homies I am communicating with know what my handle is 02:56:48 I just recently downloaded briar it looks good to me and also has many forms of connections like wifi, Bluetooth, connection to Tor, and mobile. Something along the line. 02:58:35 Manyverse or something seemed similar 02:58:41 Seriously the people protesting in Iran/Russia/Taiwan/etc should be using Briar to coordinate, not Telegram/Signal. Much much harder for any authority to censor 02:58:52 xmrfn[m]: isn't the other privacy feature the routing which protects social network metadata 02:58:55 yes I love Secure Scuttlebutt/Manyverse 02:59:29 Agreed brother 03:00:06 xmrfn[m]: the phone numbers of signal is destroying its value in these locations... 03:00:07 I just don't think SSB/MV has the developer critical mass. And it's not designed with security as a top priority 03:00:21 Signal is hopeless now xD 03:00:26 Signal is trash anyway 03:00:30 weird new bells.. 03:00:39 Just use FB messenger 😆😆😆 03:00:58 No, Signal is an improvement over FB 03:01:03 For who 03:01:06 as long as FB isn't in bed with local gov 03:01:53 I need to stop saying things so setioussly 03:02:00 I dont actually mean use fb 03:02:05 monero integrated messenger would be WILD 03:02:18 ofrnxmr[m]: Just exaggerating 03:02:56 If you don't want the Entire Internet to know how much money you have & where you spend it, and that really does matter to you, you want XMR. 03:02:56 Similarly if you want to message privately and not be censored, you want Briar. 03:03:30 Or usd 03:05:40 Agreed brother briar didn't even asked me for email, phone number or anything just a username and password. 03:08:57 Its p2p over tor onions, wifi, or Bluetooth 03:09:35 No(?) third party servers afaik (not even for handshakes iirc) 03:11:08 xmrlover: Fyre 🎉💕🌿: come over to #monero-offtopic:monero.social 03:15:33 Signal is an improvement over whatsapp, not fb 03:15:33 You can insta-migrate all you're whatsapp contact into signal, nothing needed but installing the application. That is probably the main advantage of signal, for you're normies contact... 03:15:58 Because you would not try to get you're mom use Tox 03:16:20 Yeah, I ask normie friends to use Signal with me. 03:16:56 Yep, just install the app, nothing else to do really. No new nickhandle to handle or extra shenanigans. 03:17:18 Have any of y'all heard of delta chat its in that list 03:17:28 No idea what it is 03:19:11 Delta chat uses mail somehow. Very leaky metadata-wise AFAICT 03:20:08 https://delta.chat/en/help#encryption 03:20:08 > Does Delta Chat support Perfect Forward Secrecy? 03:20:09 > No 03:20:45 "Delta Chat [messages] are stored on the mail servers of the sender and the recipient of a message" 03:40:29 "plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org..." <- haha tonight was comedy night in the matrix rooms 03:41:27 "Never forgive. Never forget..." <- lmfao haha 03:41:47 sigma male grindset ^^^ 03:43:48 "Seriously the people protesting..." <- could you elaborate on why briar is a superior method of communicateion in coordination under these adversarial circumstances than signal? 03:52:05 Briar is p2p works over bluetooth? 03:52:42 gotcha that makes pretty good sense 03:55:20 "monero integrated messenger..." <- Thats not me crypto adresss sir, thats me messenger user handle 03:56:27 "could you elaborate on why briar..." <- Doesn’t require phone number works offline 03:56:36 Briar needs iOS support 03:56:43 Even if it only works when the app stays open 03:59:09 Someone brought up tox the other day..i thought it wasnt getting updates but there was one late last year. The messenger i am interested in is cwtch. (Always thought bitmessage was pretty cool tho..dont think its widely used or updated) i cant believe nobody has made the perfect messenger app yet. Crazy 04:00:26 JacobGonzales[m]: Are those tesla walls portable? 04:00:37 Huh? 04:01:10 Joke about briar battery drain 04:01:10 I just want a encrypted Bluetooth messaging app 04:01:11 For airplane travel 04:01:15 I travel all the time 04:01:50 For iOS 04:01:57 And android 04:03:10 #monero-offtopic:monero.social 05:26:53 Found this on the news 05:30:28 Check this out 05:32:12 05:32:12 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1087971964955660288/Screenshot_20230321-222536.png 05:40:23 That doesn't seem good 05:40:33 At all 06:06:44 I found the code that get output to make decoys, now I have to digest it and figure out how to also check if tx_extra have stuff and if so, if more than 255 bytes then trash it... 06:06:44 Could be a temporary fix for the poison 06:08:29 > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> I found the code that get output to make decoys, now I have to digest it and figure out how to also check if tx_extra have stuff and if so, if more than 255 bytes then trash it... 06:08:29 > 06:08:29 > Could be a temporary fix for the poison 06:08:29 Trash it? 06:08:50 trash it as not stuff it on the rings 06:09:25 I don't want poison in my ring so I decided to look into Monero src for second time lol 06:11:35 Avoiding certain inputs as decoys has already been tried I think and it doesn't really work 06:11:48 Might even harm privacy 06:13:21 worst than including output that can be instantly detected as decoys? 06:14:12 As in your wallet implementation will make your TXes more fingerprintable 06:14:25 cockliuser[m]: Found the link https://github.com/monero-blackball/monero-blackball-site 06:16:48 Oh thanks, I did see reference to blackball stuff in the code.... aanyway, Going to check more later this week, have to go sleeo 06:16:56 s/sleeo/sleep/ 06:18:36 Also as per my understanding of decoy selection currently the probability that a transaction has a coinbase output gets selected as ring member is much higher than a mordinal 06:18:50 I just want to exclude know poison outputs, nothing more 06:18:50 If it could scan for the junk drawer automatically when it make the transaction, it would be the best 06:18:55 s/gets selected// 06:20:09 Then you'll also have to exclude pool payouts and coinbase lol 06:20:45 Can of worms... 06:21:51 hmm, anyway, going to sleep lol 07:51:47 stupid question time: why isn't creating a "light wallet server" as simple as storing an encrypted copy of your wallet cache on a server, and having your wallets both update and check for updates to it when syncing? 09:18:38 hi 09:20:33 Hello 09:20:56 if i insert a different check "expected_block_hashes_hash" on blockchain.cpp about dat file daemon will throw error? 12:36:54 Anyone have any ideas what operations Bisq might perform on a key to generate subaddresses if one mistakenly enters a *public* view key rather than a private one? 12:38:05 * Anyone have any ideas what operations Bisq might perform on a key to generate subaddresses if one mistakenly enters a *public* view key rather than a private one when connecting a wallet? 12:38:05 I am trying to create the wallet my funds got sent to. 12:44:46 hanshan: try in #monero-dev:monero.social 12:45:24 And not specific to bisq, but the general question would have more knowledgeable folks there 13:14:34 cheers 13:18:18 todo: try to generate a view only wallet using the "*public* view key rather than a private one" and observe what happens 13:20:45 todo2: contact bisq support and ask them if they handle this situation 14:13:20 * pyromaniaco[m] uploaded an image: (76KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/osezNrXtaoMrkRaBxHalhRQI/PicsArt_03-21-08.12.53.jpg > 14:13:24 * pyromaniaco[m] uploaded an image: (67KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/nhFWsPOhLsfRwDAVLlUInWgY/IMG_20230322_110907_441.jpg > 14:13:28 Hi guys, I manage a channel focused on encouraging the use and adoption of monero in Brazil, me and my team make posts translating posters or original content, we produce texts in Portuguese showing the benefits of using Monero and we share other projects related to Monero. 14:13:28 I'm here to ask for a contribution so that we can continue our work since we are not remunerated and I rely on the community to develop and improve content production. 14:13:28 if you want to support me, this is the telegram channel link: https://t.me/MoneroPropagandaBR and this is my Monero wallet for donations (help a poor Brazilian engaged in monero propaganda): 14:13:28 8A4nYQn7HAFW7sJJ99BcVRSG3pyexzYgZY9zVejwvXNkaryRc2tXMGN9MkGdgxMzKiP1MjqNxarvBX5vWECG8XsV76BC6DK 15:15:28 "todo: try to generate a view..." <- just seeing this. 15:15:28 Thank you. 15:15:28 Bisq support doesn't handle this (so far) "Please enter the correct view key. Sorry you may have lost funds." 15:20:43 natural response for a support worker, ignore^ if it is reproducible that helps also. 'show me the code snippet how you create monero wallets because i think customers will lose money through your mistakes and take legal action, i need the manager now' 15:21:10 i have not tried to use monero-wallet-rpc to generate from keys supplying the wrong view key 15:24:44 plowsof11: Working on it. They did add a pull request for a sanity check on the users input. 15:27:24 but i am now doubtful if you can actually recover the wallet - you may only be able to recover the 'view only version of the wrong wallet' without a spend key 15:27:41 in that case bisq fukt up and owe you 15:29:31 Might be a good idea to see if Woodser of haveno knows what bisq was doing (perhaps still an issue with haveno?) #haveno-dev:haveno.network 15:30:43 It's me or wallet2 is designed to burn you're eyes/brain? 15:32:13 Is it possible to make monero.com connect to an i2p node? 15:33:01 ofrnxmr[m]: #haveno:haveno.network use this instead . 15:33:06 the PR with a sanity check - they should be paying you already. mooo has blessed you with something in -dev 🤞 15:33:10 TheCurandero[m]: Yes 15:34:22 s/manager/mooo 15:50:17 "Yes" <- Does the android app have a proxy setting tho? 15:55:12 Bisq need to pay for their error - the PR to add user input sanity check as evidence. all these clowns tweeting that fluffy was awarded interpol agent of the month 5* in a row better get tweeting to bisq asking them why the f theyre not immediately refunding and apologising 16:04:57 "Yes" <- Another question, assume I'm proxying thru orbot and I have 3 nodes in the app. Cake (clearnet), cake (onion), my node (onion). If i open monero.com before connecting orbot am I leaking my ip to cake's clearnet node? Or will it only transmit to the node i have selected (my node)? 16:07:26 Yes 16:07:27 https://guides.cakewallet.com/docs/tutorials/mobile-hardening/#using-invizible-pro 16:08:13 In step 2, also enable i2p if youd like 16:08:57 You can leave inziv running 24/7 16:10:15 The Curandero: and cake only connects to your last node. If that was an onion, it wont connect to [other nodes] unless you visit the connections screen 16:14:09 Running as per the guide, you can make... (full message at ) 16:16:41 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Running as per the guide, you can make... (full message at ) 16:17:23 It creates its own 16:18:09 If you want to use I2pd in the background, I believe you should be able to simply by disabling i2p in invizible 16:19:40 Inviz is a dns app. It automatically intercepts I2p and onion and sends them through the correct proxies. 16:19:40 If I2pd is using different socks ports than inviz, you may only have to change the port for I2PD to match inviz's 16:20:43 Use the version from fdroid btw 16:20:53 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Inviz is a dns app. It automatically intercepts I2p and onion and sends them through the correct proxies.... (full message at ) 16:21:12 I ask cuz i don't really see the point in usnig i2pd if inviz can handle all my i2p routing 16:21:52 but i guess i'll just have to test it with my tunnels. I'll have to see if i can build tunnels in inviz 16:21:57 I havent figured out how to setup eepsites.using inviz 16:22:29 well, i'm just trying to route ssh thru it, but basically same set up 16:22:35 i'll play around with it 16:22:46 So that may be important to you (?) 16:23:13 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (40KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/VRPWfHyehyenhHPNldjhsjZA/y1rf0wlo3iumr52m.jpg > 16:24:18 * TheCurandero[m] uploaded an image: (8KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/kHJXYBTlbiVzFsvvYuyvktAA/settings.PNG > 16:24:27 I see an option here that might be how to set up tunnels 16:26:57 Right but I dont know /havent tested or RTFM about whether the app accepts custom directories, whether stuff needs to be in android/media etcetc 16:28:13 gotcha 16:28:21 but monero.com claims the b32.i2p address is invalid, but i can access in my browser. Inviz running in vpn mode 16:28:58 And it has to be using my i2pd cuz it claims it has 2 hours uptime even tho its only been installed for a few minutes 17:00:43 Ok here's what i got. in inviz i have dnscrypt, tor, and i2p enabled, route all traffic thru tor true. According to their github this should grant me access to i2p sites in browsers (which it does, i can reach my node over i2p). However, I cannot connect to the i2p node in monero.com (connection failed). Switching to tor node (same node) syncs. Not sure what i'm doing wrong at this point 17:20:19 Route all traffic through tor OFF 17:20:50 the guide should say off 17:27:27 "the guide should say off" <- Well after some testing. With all traffic thru tor ON:... (full message at ) 17:27:41 * Well after some testing. With all traffic thru tor ON:... (full message at ) 17:27:56 * Well after some testing. With all traffic thru tor ON:... (full message at ) 17:33:14 "y1rf0wlo3iumr52m.jpg" <- ^ 17:33:24 You need to wait until you have transit tunnels 17:34:57 "Ok here's what i got. in inviz i..." <- Would you mind sharing your I2p node 18:09:37 I would share the node but it has authentication 18:09:49 but i only have 2 transit tunnels rn, i guess i'll wait a bit and see 18:29:31 How about now 18:33:32 ofrnxmr[m]: Only have 3 tunnels, but i restarted cuz i wanted to try it without having i2pd running. I assume if it says "Attempting sync" it has made some kind of connection, right? 18:38:16 If you had both running it was probably not working 18:38:36 Mobile device can only handle so many connections 18:38:55 I2PD likely had a lot of tunnels (?) 18:39:33 Anyway. Use one or the other. 18:39:33 Disable I2PD if youre enabling inviz's I2p setting, and vice versa 18:40:47 yo 18:44:53 Oy 18:45:32 "Mobile device can only handle so..." <- goddamn phones 18:47:36 this is why i don't use phones. 18:47:36 carry my laptop with me in my pocket everywhere i go for full capability 18:48:48 > <@the_0pps:monero.social> this is why i don't use phones. 18:48:48 > carry my laptop with me in my pocket everywhere i go for full capability 18:48:48 wtf kinda pocket you got 18:49:00 TheCurandero[m]: black hole 18:51:32 TheCurandero[m]: LOL 19:34:21 Mordinals: Is it possible to create more than 2 outputs in a Mordinal minting transaction? monerobull ? 19:34:39 Hm 19:34:50 I o ky ever used the standard mint command 19:34:57 s/o/only/, s/ky// 19:35:39 Does the mint command have an option to create >2 outputs? I assume that no one would modify the code and re-compile 19:36:28 There is an "easy" check of tx_extra contents that identifies a Mordinal tag if number out outputs is 2 19:37:14 Currently it does a self send 19:37:39 Can make it use more then 2 inputs, but not sure about outputs without modifying the command 19:38:21 It doesn't need to be exact. If at least 95-99% of them only have 2 outputs then it's good enough in the near term 19:38:37 Yeah, most are 2out 19:39:13 Most of the ones minted are also 1.7kb (~200byte Txextra) 19:39:39 There would be no reason to make a mordinal tx with >2 outputs AFAIK. The "transferable" output is the first one anyway. 19:40:44 Minting 16 at once :P 19:40:45 Has anyone actually tried "transferring" them? 19:41:29 ofrnxmr: most being 1019/2000 currently, they're far from over 19:41:36 https://twitter.com/MoneroPunks/status/1638556229139038210 19:42:20 Yeah there's no transfer function in the wallet currently 19:43:43 OK. 19:45:23 mordinal of the day https://mordinals.org/item/1664 lel 19:46:36 :/ 19:49:36 so the 255bytes fix won't work 😢 19:50:43 Which fix? 19:51:21 limiting tx_extra size 19:51:37 I guess we need sometime that scan tx_extra to see if it's a know image format and ignoring the TX if it's a png or a jpeg or stuff like that 19:52:30 They'll steg somewhere even if you remove tx_extra completely 19:52:46 Also, blacklisting outputs is fingerprintable 19:52:48 RavFX: That's what a hypothesized statistical test is supposed to do. I don't know it it's feasible 19:53:33 "blacklisting outputs is fingerprintable"? Maybe if there are a very large share of blacklisted outputs in decoy selection 19:58:06 RavFX wanted to blacklist mordinals from his wallet's DSA 19:58:39 Yeah, wallet2 try to prevent me from doing this 😂 19:58:39 But I might be able too 19:58:41 If mordinals volume somehow explodes that could possibly be fingerprintable no? 19:58:49 * Yeah, wallet2 code try to 19:59:13 Let's do some probability calculations.... 20:01:06 Ok, what would we consider a "fingerprinted" ring? One with a 1% chance of _not_ using an anti-mordinal DSA? 20:02:06 pbinom(0, 16, 0.25) = 0.0100226 20:03:09 Under simplifying assumptions, Mordinals would have to make up 25% of all outputs if we consider a false positive rate of 1% as "fingerprintable". 20:03:15 With ring size 16 20:03:29 His about with 80% 20:03:31 How 20:04:00 Ring size 128 9i.e. Seraphis-level ring size), well then it's much different 20:04:44 pbinom(0, 16, 0.095) = 0.2024777 20:05:06 ofrnxmr: About 9.5% of outputs would have to be Mordinal outputs 20:05:42 pbinom(0, 16, 0.095) is just verbatim R input 20:07:12 I guess the calculation would be a little different if the adversary was assuming that the real spend was not a mordinal. That would of course be an obvious assumption 20:08:13 This is just using the binomial distribution by the way 20:09:58 Similar to https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/109 20:11:10 In two or three weeks I may write up some findings on early empirical privacy impacts of Mordinals. I already have the code for p2pool coinbase outputs. 20:12:28 The good news is that the code collects all RingCT rings in about 6 hours. The bad news is that it uses over 100GB of RAM to do so :P 20:13:09 What kinda of versioning is monero using? It looks semantic but there are 4 fields. 20:21:21 Rucknium: are you scraping mordinals site etc for the off chain data (tx extras of confirmed mordinals) 20:24:10 ofrnxmr: No. Directly from monerod with RPC. I will add a Mordinal check here: https://github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/blob/main/Monero-Effective-Ring-Size/xmr-ring-gathering.R 22:01:10 Which version of RandomX is the recommended? 22:01:20 Master's head or the latest tag? 22:01:35 The later is from 2021 22:24:53 hyc: I think master (?) 23:01:09 I see I'm not the only one perplexed with the versioning: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/721#issuecomment-1191360613 23:01:49 Switching to Semver is a big positive.