01:32:21 <escapethe3ra[m]> https://monero.observer/cypherpunk-transmission-015-monero-lore-compendium/
02:28:21 <xmrfn[m]> > Can ‘Mordinals’ still affect Monero’s fungibility if ‘tx_extra’ size is limited?
02:28:22 <xmrfn[m]> Is this seriously a FAQ now?
06:49:08 <aiena> what time does monerod show while syncling it doesnt match with system time
06:49:58 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Funny meme
07:17:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> UTC 
07:25:08 <guruji[m]> How far is the Seraphis implementation from being deployed? 
07:35:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 weeks
07:36:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Buy I broke my arm
07:36:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Might take 6 months of rehab before I can give a better update.
08:08:31 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (59KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/DDgSIfKBLwnzqOpbHiDLbDqz/grafik.png >
08:08:52 <monerobull[m]> Is this how monero dies? Flooded by mspaint rats?
08:09:49 <spackle_xmr[m]> The spam has stopped for the moment, whatever that's worth.
08:43:01 <Siren[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Is this how monero dies? Flooded..." <- Imagine if someone mirrored all of nhentai on the monero blockchain
08:51:13 <Siren[m]> Mr m0rbs 😉
09:00:23 <sech1> It's still far from last year's transaction spam
09:02:26 <sech1> 1.5 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/pvm634/fingerprinting_a_flood_forensic_statistical/
09:17:18 <aog> I want to restore my monero wallet but I don't know the chain height when the wallet was created, what do you recommend?
09:20:11 <sech1> restore it from height 0?
09:33:09 * aog nods at sech1 
09:35:37 <trudeauinjapan> thankyou for flying libera.chat
09:43:52 <aiena> when you close the monero wallet gui it give you an option to "force stop" the monerod started by it. Is this "force stop" a graceful shutdown or is it dangerous like a kill?
10:16:12 <aog> Monero GUI on linux, doesn't provide a .desktop file icon?
10:42:05 <aog> how can I verify that I'm on the right p2pool chain?
10:43:34 <aog> sorry wrong chan
11:10:24 <exCAT> hello all
11:10:34 <exCAT> I'm having trouble with my XMRig config
11:10:51 <exCAT> I found out how to choose specific threads to mine on
11:11:26 <exCAT> but I can't find how to make it keep changing threads so it dosen't stress a single thread at all times
11:12:10 <merope1> That's the opposite of what you want
11:12:26 <merope1> And also, there's no harm to the cpu by pinning threads
11:12:48 <exCAT> I want it to use a single thread, but keep chaning which thread it's using
11:12:48 <merope1> As lont as there's good cooling, the cpu doesn't really "wear out"
11:13:27 <merope1> What benefit do you expect from constantly changing this single thread, exactly?
11:13:46 <exCAT> I found that it helps with thermals
11:14:03 <exCAT> when I use a single static thread my cpu gets to 75c
11:14:20 <exCAT> but when it's dynamic I hover around 60
11:14:27 <merope1> The only reason it (slightly) helps is because it's actually killing the mining performance
11:14:48 <merope1> 75°C is plenty fine
11:14:59 <merope1> Let your cooler do its job
11:15:36 <exCAT> so is changing threads not an option in xmrig?
11:16:31 <k4r4b3y[m]> exCAT: interesting.
11:16:34 <merope1> It's not, and for good reason
11:17:38 <exCAT> got it
11:18:06 <merope1> And as long as you don't exceed the temperature limit of your cpu (typically >95°C for most models), the cpu doesn't care
11:19:14 <exCAT> I just imagined that stressing a single thread wouldn't be good for the CPU
12:10:39 <xfedex[m]> Yeah, I imagined that too
12:11:14 <xfedex[m]> I use a custom script that modifies config.json to change threads randomly every 15 minutes
12:13:12 <sech1> whhaaat, why?
13:32:27 <xfedex[m]> sech1, because otherwise vents keep going at full speed even tho i'm mining with 2/4 threads
13:33:00 <xfedex[m]> when changing threads, they don't go that fast
13:33:07 <plowsof11> buy a bigger cooler
13:33:13 <xfedex[m]> on a laptop?
13:33:24 <plowsof11> oof
13:33:36 <xfedex[m]> anyway i think it improves CPU health
13:34:14 <sech1> stable load and good cooling is what improves hardware health
13:34:44 <sech1> changing load (=thermal spikes) wear out hardware
13:35:22 <plowsof11> "just" take your laptop apart clean / reapply thermal paste and buy a new fan 
13:36:02 <xfedex[m]> why does the OS usually make each thread switch between CPU cores every 5 seconds or so?
13:36:57 <xfedex[m]> (not on xmrig, xmrig seems to be locking the thread to a specific core)
13:44:03 <jefazo92[m]> Hi, I'm student doing his Thesis on Monero Price Prediction using Machine Learning. I have been looking online for datasets with plenty of features but haven't found anything reliable. If anyone knows of such a dataset, would you mind to share it with me? I would really appreciate it.
13:44:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Datasets for past price action?
13:45:20 <plowsof11> get some advice from your lecturer on your thesis
13:45:25 <Rucknium[m]> jefazo92: I think there are a couple of papers on that. Have you read those papers?
13:46:22 <jefazo92[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: If it is updated (up until today's date), it'd be amazing. But if you know of a dataset with a decent time period, that'd be great
13:46:45 <jefazo92[m]> Rucknium[m]: All the ones I've found so far where on Bitcoin or Etherium
13:47:05 <Rucknium[m]> Search harder
13:47:08 <jefazo92[m]> I was planning to do a more through search this evening on IEEEE, ACM and Wiley
13:47:58 <Rucknium[m]> Use a general research paper search engine
13:49:31 <jefazo92[m]> Rucknium[m]: The point is that they have their datasets publicly available. I searched yesterday on Google for datasets and only found one with plenty of features but not sure if reliable tho. Other 2 feature sets I found only had data on Open, High and Low, volume and change % values
13:50:51 <Rucknium[m]> Are you just looking for the price now?
13:51:24 <Rucknium[m]> https://moneroresearch.info/index.php?action=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=138
13:51:24 <Rucknium[m]> Erg"un, Z. C., & KARABIYIK, B. K. Forecasting monero prices with a machine learning algorithm. Eskic{s}ehir Osmangazi "Universitesi .Iktisadi ve .Idari Bilimler Dergisi, 16(3), 651–663.  
13:51:36 <Rucknium[m]> moneroresearch.inffo has a few price papers, but it doesnt focus on that
13:52:17 <Rucknium[m]> If you want prices, coingecko and coinmarketcap have an API
13:57:44 <jefazo92[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "If you want prices, coingecko..." <- Thanks a lot. But is that enough for price prediction? I mean, I have seen that some paper analyse up to 12 or 15 features and don't focus price data exclusively. I'd like to find a dataset with, at least, 10 or more features with which I can make a prediction which is as good as possible 
13:58:12 <jefazo92[m]> * a dataset in .csv format with, at
14:02:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you want a price prediction 
14:02:27 <Rucknium[m]> jefazo92: No. It probably isn't. That's why I encouraged you to read the papers
14:02:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> 5000 dollars, yesterday 
14:02:54 <Rucknium[m]> The papers will say what other variables they used.
14:03:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Price prediction based on charts is basic and c@nt tell you anything 
14:03:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero isnt a stock, its a goods that is traded in the real world.
14:03:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fake exchange volume vs real world "sales" are a completely digfernet metric, as is adoption 
14:03:49 <plowsof11> price prediction "on just the monero chart" - please join the next monerotalk and pay attention for the first 3 hours 
14:03:58 <plowsof11> for the market stuff 
14:04:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😭😭😭
14:04:39 <Rucknium[m]> jefazo92: You need to have some hypotheses about what variables may affect price.
14:05:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> (By machine learning, you dont mean chatgpt. Right, right?.. just confirming. You never know )
14:05:34 <Rucknium[m]> You can also just write a single line as the paper: "The efficient market hypothesis is correct."
14:05:37 <plowsof11> please talk to your lecturer about what you plan on doing for the next year+
14:05:55 <jefazo92[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: No, not at all. I mean Neural Networks, Decision Tress, etc.
14:05:58 <plowsof11> they need to know
14:06:05 <jefazo92[m]> s/Tress/Trees/
14:07:09 <jefazo92[m]> plowsof11: More like next 2 months XD We only have 4 months to develop our Thesis
14:07:35 <Rucknium[m]> Did you spend two of those months doing nothing?
14:07:39 <Rucknium[m]> Sorry
14:07:44 <plowsof11> we're on month 2
14:08:12 <Rucknium[m]> If it's a formal research paper you must read the research papers that already exist. It's one of the first steps
14:08:21 <Rucknium[m]> Or skim them at least
14:09:16 <jefazo92[m]> Rucknium[m]: No. Initially I was trying to know what to focus my project on as it was too broad and I wasn't given a specific focused direction. I also got really sick and have been having many job interviews for once I finish my Masters
14:11:00 <Rucknium[m]> If this is a Master's thesis, you have a ton of work ahead of you. You _must do a comprehensive literature review.
14:12:56 <jefazo92[m]> Rucknium[m]: Done it already. I have to look specifically for Monero tho. But when I searched for "Blockchain" AND "Machine Learning", the main papers and Thesis that showed up where on Bitcoin and Etherium price predictions. Of those, I have read tons of them as they are plenty and have tons of info. 
14:15:35 <Rucknium[m]> There are several papers that try to do price prediction of Monero. Usually to compare with other coins. I think researchers do it since Monero has a longer price series than most (almost 9 years long now)
14:15:45 <plowsof11> machine learning in action: https://magicgrants.org/Monero-Tracing-Research/
14:16:09 <Rucknium[m]> ^ Actually useful machine learning
14:17:27 <plowsof11> a large enough portion of the monero community doesnt care about price or predictions 
14:17:37 <Rucknium[m]> I don't know what your skills or field are, but getting data is a routine first step of any statistician/data scientist/machine learner
14:17:55 <Rucknium[m]> So you should be able to program an API price scraper.
14:20:28 <jefazo92[m]> plowsof11: I came across that paper but it didn't seem relevant to me as it seemed not to go into price prediction
14:20:41 <Rucknium[m]> I have one in R somewhere. Can't find it on my GitHub right now.
14:20:47 <jefazo92[m]> * me as on a quick glance,it seemed
14:21:57 <jefazo92[m]> Rucknium[m]: Electrical and Electronics Engineering. I have very little programming experience but my MSc is in Cybersecurity. We haven't been taught in-depth coding but more terms and concepts regarding Cyber
14:22:15 <jefazo92[m]> > <@rucknium:monero.social> I don't know what your skills or field are, but getting data is a routine first step of any statistician/data scientist/machine learner
14:22:15 <jefazo92[m]>  * Electrical and Electronics Engineering. I have very little programming experience but the MSc I'm doing right now is in Cybersecurity. We haven't been taught in-depth coding but more terms and concepts regarding Cyber
14:23:02 <jefazo92[m]>  * Electrical and Electronics Engineering. I have very little programming experience but the MSc I'm doing right now is in Cybersecurity. We haven't been taught in-depth coding, rather terms, concepts and analysis tools regarding Cyber
14:24:09 <jefazo92[m]>  * Electrical and Electronics Engineering. I have very little programming experience but the MSc I'm doing right now is in Cybersecurity. We haven't been taught in-depth coding, rather terms, concepts and analysis tools regarding Cyber so my programming skills are very basic...
14:30:18 <plowsof11> @perfect-daemon sorry for the ping but if you have any tips reg. cybersecurity masters degree (should we start off on bash/javascript to get a feel for programming? or jump right into c/c++) 
14:32:10 <jefazo92[m]> plowsof11: I have done a course on Object-Oriented Progamming with C/C++ in my Bachelors as well as some Python last semester. I have some basics so I'm not totally lost. 
14:33:37 <jefazo92[m]> That's why, and my supervisor also recommended me this, to find a dataset with many features on which I can do price prediction. That way I don't have to go through the struggle of data acquistion and pre-processing, and just focus on the algorithm development and training
14:34:26 <jefazo92[m]> s/me//
14:45:16 <Rucknium[m]> How did you get from cybersecurity to trying to forecast XMR price with machine learning? That makes no sense to me.
14:45:23 <jefazo92[m]>  * That's why, and my supervisor also recommended this, I'm trying to to find a dataset with many features on which I can do price prediction. That way I don't have to go through the struggle of data acquistion and pre-processing, and just focus on the algorithm development and training. It doesn't have to be a perfect prediction but one that is good enough. I can always describe the limitations in one of the sections
14:46:05 <jefazo92[m]> Rucknium[m]: It was one of the projects available
14:47:31 <jefazo92[m]> I guess as long as you do something technical, they allow you to do it. And I guess there's a way to orient the study towards Cyber depending on how the Thesis is written
14:57:07 <Rucknium[m]> First, get a dataset of sunspot activity. (If you are familiar with financial research, this will be an amusing suggestion to you.)
15:11:35 <Rucknium[m]> jefazo92: Here is an interesting research question: Is the XMR/USD exchange rate less correlated with the BTC/USD exchange rate than other major cryptocurrencies?
15:13:25 <fr33_yourself[m]> IMO, the best explanation for Bitcoin being #1 in marketcap is people believe Bitcoin is serviceable as a Store of Value. They haven't considered the issue of halvings and monopoly without a monopolist. 
15:21:38 <fr33_yourself[m]> They use backward empirical data of Bitcoin's price to justify their belief instead of considering forward looking fundamentals of Bitcoin's protocol
15:23:45 <Rucknium[m]> fr33_yourself: That doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.
15:24:11 <fr33_yourself[m]> I know. My comments were more so toward the other guy. The one wanting to do a statisical analysis
16:33:24 <agus10[m]> hello Monero community, i hope you are well. does anyone know what is the reason my gui wallet is taking two days to connect to Daemon? My wallet is connected to a trezor T and since last year I don't use it. now I want to send my xmr to another wallet but haven't been able in the last two days. any lights are highly appreciated. thanks in advance
16:35:34 <selsta> agus10[m]: can you go to Settings -> Info and post "Version" and "Wallet mode"?
16:36:57 <plowsof11> drum roll please 
16:45:41 <agus10[m]> <selsta> "agus10: can you go to Settings -..." <- thanks selsta, it says: Gui version: 0.18.1.0 release (Qt 5.12.8)   
16:45:41 <agus10[m]> embedded Monero version: 0.18.1.0 release
16:45:41 <agus10[m]> wallet mode: advanced mode (remote node)
16:45:41 <agus10[m]> thanks 
16:46:08 <selsta> agus10[m]: which remote node did you select?
16:46:23 <selsta> also please update to the latest version
16:48:20 <agus10[m]> the remore node is : node.supportxmr.com:18081
16:48:20 <agus10[m]> I got the message to update the gui, but i didnt thinking that it could take longer, but if its better then I will update it now
16:50:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Does the trezor need a manual update (? I dont have one) 
16:50:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meaning, the trezor firmware 
16:58:29 <plowsof11> the node is offline (supportxmr)
16:59:41 <selsta> updating and connecting to a different remote node should solve it
17:02:47 <plowsof11> monero.fail for a random list of nodes to choose from
17:08:54 <agus10[m]> <selsta> "updating and connecting to a..." <- Thanks selsta. I am trying to see inside the wallet if there is an update button.. or should I just download the latest version? 
17:08:54 <agus10[m]> also, for the remote node  is there any you can recommend?
17:10:07 <selsta> agus10[m]: it should ask you to download the new version on wallet start and if that doesn't work download the latest version from getmonero.org
17:10:44 <plowsof11> id recommend any of these nodes https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather/blob/2c83256714df9c66ca9f07f0a053232a79b0fc50/src/assets/nodes.json#L22
17:11:00 <selsta> agree with ^
17:11:13 <plowsof11> (the online ones 😅)
22:33:46 <aiena> I would like to make a systemd unit for monerod but not sure what flags to use so that wwhen the monero wallet is started it automatically use the running monerod instead of starting its own
22:34:58 <plowsof11> would you consider yourself an advanced linux user? if yes, please proceed https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/run-a-monero-node-advanced/
22:35:26 <plowsof11> monero wallet cli ? will chec for a daemon running on default port 18081 afaik 
22:56:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> If no
22:56:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Give up and go home
22:58:01 <aiena> lol
22:58:30 <aiena> I was going to write my own systemd service file :P but there seems to be one already on github
22:58:50 <aiena> anyway another time that guide is awesome