00:04:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Either or
00:04:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I did a bit of this and bit of that
00:05:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Then boom worked
00:46:09 <idkrn[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Then boom worked" <- I'm calling the anti terrorist squad
01:54:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Snitches get stitches 😏
01:57:30 <idkrn[m]> Thanks I don't think my surgeon stitched me up right last time
03:44:38 <cockliuser[m]> Any Monero/agorism focused pirate radio?
07:47:24 <Guest56> hi
07:48:27 <Guest56> i have a compile error that is only on windows OS  "http://paste.debian.net/1275604/"
07:55:46 <sech1> Guest56 what's your GCC version? Are you using msys64 to build?
07:55:55 <sech1> *msys2
07:56:37 <sech1> found this: https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq/issues/3859
07:58:51 <sech1> I have no issues building on Windows with the latest msys2 - try to run "pacman -Syu" two times and build Monero from scratch again
07:59:55 <sech1> ahh, you're using "mingw32"
08:00:01 <sech1> switch to 64-bit mingw
08:00:08 <sech1> lol
08:00:35 <sech1> why do they quit without saying anything
08:01:39 <Guest56> sorry my internet goes off some times
08:01:58 <Guest56> how to switch to 64
08:03:19 <sech1> https://www.msys2.org/
08:03:38 <sech1> Download and install msys2-x86_64-20230318.exe
08:03:45 <sech1> and you should be running 64-bit Windows
08:04:09 <Guest56> im compiling from depends
08:04:24 <Guest56> make depends target=x86_64-w64-mingw32
08:04:24 <sech1> not sure about depends
08:04:29 <sech1> I never build them
08:04:58 <Guest56> i'm on linux and there is no windows..
08:04:58 <bridgerton[m]> <Epic [Monero & Algorand]> is this bridge?
08:05:06 <sech1> It's probably ZereMQ issue, see https://github.com/zeromq/libzmq/issues/3859
08:05:13 <sech1> Monero uses 4.3.4 which has this issue
08:05:28 <bridgerton[m]> <Epic [Monero & Algorand]> Hello , im really need some guide how to have atleast a decent privacy on a cashless society... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d289de4168a6d6067d3c97cae4878e1b6504fb68>)
08:05:29 <bridgerton[m]> <Epic [Monero & Algorand]> if cashless society happened and i think it will happens 
08:05:29 <bridgerton[m]> especially alot of stores in my place has stop accepting cash and all transportation don't accept cash anymore
08:05:29 <bridgerton[m]> i will not shock in 3-5 years all store will not accept cash anymore
08:05:29 <bridgerton[m]> if that happens , will i just give up my privacy?
08:08:33 <sech1> Guest56 are you building Windows binaries on Linux? Because "make depends target=x86_64-w64-mingw32" is used for cross-compilation
08:09:00 <sech1> Did you run "update-alternatives --set x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++ x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++-posix && update-alternatives --set x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc-posix" ?
08:09:06 <sech1> read https://github.com/monero-project/monero#cross-compiling
08:09:58 <Guest56> update-alternatives: error: alternative path is not absolute as it should be: x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++-posix
08:12:18 <Guest56> why?
08:12:24 <sech1> no idea
08:12:33 <sech1> it's better to ask this in #monero-dev
08:27:42 <Guest56> lrwxrwxrwx 1  /usr/bin/x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++ -> /etc/alternatives/x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++
08:27:51 <Guest56> paths are ok
08:28:10 <Guest56> so is zeromq issue
09:09:47 <jefazo92[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "First, get a dataset of sunspot..." <- Thank you Rucknium but what do you mean with sunspot activity? All I get in Google is info about actual solar sunspots, nothing about finance.
09:12:22 <sech1> Sunspot activity is short-term random, but long-term predictable - a good training set
09:57:26 <jefazo92[m]> <sech1> "Sunspot activity is short-term..." <- Do you know where I can find one? I haven't found many useful .csv datasets for Monero. I've only found 3 datasets (two with just Open, High, Low and Close values and a 3rd one with many features but not sure if reliable)
09:57:58 <sech1> No idea
09:58:28 <sech1> you can ask on reddit r/xmrtrader - if they know places where to download XMR/BTC or XMR/USD candles for long periods of time
12:19:41 <bridgerton[m]> <Martin L> buy privacy phones with monero 
12:19:41 <bridgerton[m]> https://de-googled.com/
12:19:41 <bridgerton[m]> they also sell privacy accessories + worldwide shipping 
12:19:41 <bridgerton[m]> sorry for advertising
12:24:39 <merope1> jefazo92: have you considered creating your own dataset? Kraken is a good source for data, for example, and they have many libraries in different languages to interact with their api with ease
12:25:21 <merope1> > <@bridgerton:matrix.org> <Martin L> buy privacy phones with monero... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/87800d549642cf916519163984782258404fe42c>)
13:06:33 <k4r4b3y[m]> > <@bridgerton:matrix.org> <Martin L> buy privacy phones with monero... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b711b15fd26d3187c4e31013fdb8cf12e38e72c4>)
13:08:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> New Stack wallet release 🔥🔥
13:09:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stable syncing of xmr wallets hasarrived 🥳
13:09:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet/releases/tag/build_148
13:43:03 <k4r4b3y[m]> I like what stack does with their duo wallet.
13:49:36 <plowsof11> trio and the quadro coming soon? 
14:04:41 <plowsof11> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/125j812/win_100_eur_worth_of_xmr_rinoio_moneroversary/ "100 EUR worth of Monero to a Twitter follower each week in April." @rayatina
16:05:25 <d34d8its[m]> Does anyone know of a matrix room/job board/forum specifically for jobs that pay in cryptos?
16:08:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is/was a telegram one, not sure if its active 
16:08:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerojobs or something like that
16:09:31 <d34d8its[m]> Telegram. 🤮
16:09:42 <d34d8its[m]> I'll do some digging though, thanks.
16:12:08 <oneeyedalien> never thought I'd see the day people put nfts on monero
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16:18:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> You call this an nft?
16:22:25 <selsta> hand-picked AI generated art
16:27:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> They mint 12 of each 
16:28:42 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> That is one interesting nft
16:29:00 <selsta> 12 times the same one?
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16:29:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> And this one was only 1kb before element converted it 😅
16:29:51 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> I thought nfts were going to be creative
16:29:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> 12 times with different colors
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16:31:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gives me goosebumps. So cringe
16:31:41 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Those are funny looking nfts and cute at the same tjne but  they creep me out
16:32:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are neither cute nore funny, nor nfts mordinals.org
16:32:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are horrible quality, and if you look closesly they are mostly twisted ai art
16:32:42 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Oh
16:33:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> I say they arent nfts, because they are 🚮. At least when we tested it, we put nice things up there
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16:35:35 <selsta> they are indistinguishable from spam
16:36:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep. These arent saleable. Just poisoning / bloat for no reason
16:40:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Limits arent even on yet and they're spamming low quality nonsense.
16:42:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do custom nodes still allow non standard decoy selections?
16:42:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im thinking about getting decoy fixed out before a HF.
16:42:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont mind my rings standing out as "more private due to no coinbase or weird size tx as decoys", vs poisened rings
16:42:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> But im just thinking out loud atm
16:45:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Which might mean, if youre a jackass sending an nft, it would be fingerprinted as the true spend because all decoys would be normal sized tx)
16:46:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or better, dont even use rings when sending those shits
16:46:44 <RavFX> make it easy to ID so decoy algo could just not use them. That would fix the poison issue (but not the useless bloat)
16:47:14 <RavFX> No ring for them could same some space I guess so it's good too. There NFT anyway so they don't need fungibility
16:47:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> A 1in 2 out should be 1.49-1.51kb iirc. Maybe more or less precise?
16:47:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only tx within that size range should be used for decoys 
16:48:52 <rbrunner> I find it highly dangerous to do anything that they could construe as "The Monero devs support us"
16:49:07 <RavFX> Yep, the only 1/2 you include should be of that size I think too
16:49:17 <rbrunner> And I fear adjusting our decoy selection is exactly something abusable in this direction
16:49:36 <RavFX> I guess they do the best to weed it out but we need a backup plan in case we can't weed them out
16:49:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> The decoy selection is garbage, rbrunner
16:49:41 <rbrunner> We don't have an emergency with our rings. We lived happily with 11-member rings for a long time
16:49:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats a foregone conclusion 
16:49:55 <modul8[m]> Nfts on monero is as useless as building a browser into the ls command. Someone just trying to prove a point and others will just use it as an attack
16:50:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Happily? Ill say again. The decoy selection is trash
16:50:18 <RavFX> I was a browser into ls command
16:50:31 <RavFX> want*
16:50:35 <rbrunner> Trash? Quite in general? Please elaborate.
16:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> And made much worst by consolidation, coinbase, and now txextra
16:50:40 <modul8[m]> I got lost in links
16:50:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most economically meaninful tx are 2 out transactions 
16:51:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> The decoy also will allow 99% 1/16 if that is what is available to choose from
16:51:26 <rbrunner> If you mean we should get something I think called "full membership proof" as soon as possible, then I would say that will take quite a while
16:51:28 <RavFX> Decoy algo need to be also improved in relation to coinbase tx.
16:51:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, I mean we need to standardize outputs and fix the decoy selection algo 
16:52:12 <rbrunner> Standardize?
16:52:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can have outputs anywhere from 2-16.
16:52:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Decoy selection will choose any if them 
16:52:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most organic usage aka economically meaningful tx are 2 out
16:53:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cant have a situation where someone can spam bad decoys to lower effective ring size 
16:53:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> 💢 stupid IRS hasnt emailed me yet.
16:54:08 <rbrunner> But now we strayed already far away from the mordinal problems, no?
16:54:31 <rbrunner> Sounds like a list "And beside, this and this and this is also broken"
16:54:59 <RavFX> they can spam 1k morbs, same poison, just more compact poison, so better poison.
16:55:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, mordinal current behavior is poisoning via high output spam
16:55:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> They could have done the low output bloat, but chose to litter on the decoys 
16:55:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Weakest link, lowest hanging fruit 
16:56:00 <rbrunner> I tried to make an argument from a psychological point of view that I consider it dangerous to live more comfortably with mordinals. That will only embolden them.
16:56:30 <rbrunner> Or better said, to change something for living more comfortably
16:57:41 <rbrunner> See how I mean that. Problem: Terrorist blow up things in our town daily. Solution: Not stopping the terrorist, no, equip everybody with a bomb detector
16:58:38 <rbrunner> If we change decoy selection to evade mordinals I claim we play into their hands
16:58:56 <RavFX> That's backup plan in case stopping terrorists fail and require more time. I don't like the idea eater but the poison is being injected since weeks so far...
16:59:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> rbrunner: Agreed
16:59:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> But my process right now is. Limiting wasnt as easy as it looked
16:59:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> And isnt effective at anything 
16:59:46 <rbrunner> Er, we didn't even start, did we?
16:59:48 <RavFX> why 1060 bytes? wasnt ~600 enough?
16:59:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> rbrunner: Yeah
17:00:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1069 #8733 pr didnt work
17:00:10 <rbrunner> No, legit stuff for legit transactions can amount to that
17:00:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1060kb*
17:00:24 <rbrunner> With a bit of leeway
17:00:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Didnt work like.. it was banning nodes etc and causing a chain split
17:00:59 <rbrunner> Exactly :)
17:01:20 <rbrunner> That was a bit embarrassing
17:01:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> And even with the limit, morbs live on with no real changes to operations 
17:01:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> So. If we cant remove in a HF ASAP
17:02:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> We still need to deal with the immediate problem of rapidly decaying fungibility 
17:02:07 <rbrunner> We will see. For me it's as much a psychological fight as a technical one
17:02:54 <rbrunner> It's not "rapidly decaying". Right now we have exactly *one* asshole from Hungary spamming.
17:05:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> The decoy stuff I mention, would run on my own node etc. And would like more research etc to make decoy selection a consensus rule (specifically for coinbase), and preferrably a removal of Txextra.
17:05:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not sure if I misunderstood the pr, but I though 1060=547 for outputs, ~512 for Txextra (32bytes per output)
17:05:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> But I can out a 1kb image on a 2:2 txextra
17:06:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it was 32bytes per output, I honestly would say fuck it
17:06:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> And id assume morbs would too. Too much work
17:09:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> These fuckers put 200mb on my node.
17:12:18 <RavFX> It's only the beginning imo
17:24:58 <great_taste> is mordinals a vulnerability?
17:27:25 <great_taste> or should I say, tx_extra is a vulnerability and mords an exploit
17:28:13 <rbrunner> That is more like I would look at it. Together maybe with still quite low fees, but this is more controversial.
17:30:28 <rbrunner> "The mint rate has seemed to slow down over the past 48 hours. As of about 24 hours ago, total number of Mordinal txs were 24,222. Sum of Mordinal tx sizes was 202 Megabytes. Total fees to mint Mordinals was 4.05 XMR."
17:30:45 <rbrunner> From Rucknium, our resident statistician
17:32:27 <RavFX> I did notice too, by looking at the onion explorer. Rate is going down (for now)
17:35:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> They must need some funding :(. Only had $600 to start
17:35:36 <great_taste> pls donate
20:32:28 <fr33_yourself[m]> doug in the house! or doug imposter
21:01:29 <xmrlover[m]> > <@spacekitty420:matrix.org> yall mofos up in this bitch literally so retarded or what, like, yall acting like no one ever had malicious intents regarding the monero blockchain... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/763285f59ebc5bce8c635baaefc39fe6c09dce26>)
21:04:19 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> Has there been any evidence that a 3 letter agency has fucked with Monero at any point before? O_o
21:06:59 <monerobull[m]> Nah
21:07:33 <monerobull[m]> As far as I can tell, the only "legit" attack was the august 2021(?) flooding
21:07:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Gpt?
21:08:01 <monerobull[m]> And that was most likely some independent researcher/troll
21:08:27 <monerobull[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: ?
21:08:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Three letter agency
21:09:09 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: And the node fuckery by fireice
21:09:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Wonder if anyone has asked gptchat about worldcoin
21:09:55 <monerobull[m]> I did
21:10:10 <monerobull[m]> It's the eye scanning one by the same guy as gpt right 
21:10:14 <RavFX> whats this worldscan?
21:10:23 <RavFX> work searching it on a search engine?
21:10:57 <monerobull[m]> Chatgpt guy had the great idea to make a Crypto you get by scanning yours and others eyeballs
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21:12:17 <monerobull[m]> It's as dystopian as it gets
21:13:52 <RavFX> Ah,. that world ID scam, I think I did read about it
21:14:10 <RavFX> fsck that scam
21:14:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> monerobull[m]: Yeah creator of worldcoin
21:14:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Look into my eyes
21:15:09 <RavFX> Fortunately someone leaked facebook trained models.... And someone else made a c++ program that can use that on a competant PC... Better than chatGPU and Offline...
21:15:12 <great_taste> now I have your coins
21:16:07 <RavFX> Downloading 220GB worth of model data right now actually lol
21:16:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Am i the only idiot thinking cia should be using xmr?
21:16:22 <RavFX> CIA is using XMR
21:16:34 <RavFX> IS, not should, lol
21:16:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> They better be running a node
21:16:58 <RavFX> It's probably the owner of the 1Gh/s miner... so they can get some without buying it
21:16:58 <great_taste> the CIA is everywhere doing everything
21:17:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Or else
21:17:10 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> That sounds cool
21:17:22 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> honestly
21:18:57 <Nimko> @Nitro#6429
21:19:14 <Nimko> ah I guess it doesn't work
21:19:42 <Nimko> So bridges doesn't support ping on Discord?
22:10:16 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> The bridges don't support quote replies either, discord has a weird websocket thing for bots and bridges and the bridge has less privileges compared to a user
22:11:32 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> ah I see
22:53:42 <vq12[m]> I have a question about funding a deposit on bisq. If I make the deposit from kraken (KYC) does that mean my bisq transaction is tied to that also?
22:58:16 <monerobull[m]> Of course 
22:58:50 <monerobull[m]> Unless you are trading Monero from Kraken for Bisq Bitcoin 
22:58:59 <monerobull[m]> But i don't know why you'd do that
23:04:20 <vq12[m]> if i withdraw from kraken to my own wallet then fund bisq, kraken wouldnt be able to track that transaction through to the person on the other end of the trade on bisq?
23:11:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Does bisq touch the tx?
23:14:25 <vq12[m]> kraken -> wallet A -> bisq -> btc seller wallet
23:16:13 <vq12[m]> i need to fund the bisq wallet (deposit) to be able to buy on bisq
23:18:33 <plowsof11> why would you want to buy bitcoin, monero has nfts also 
23:19:01 <plowsof11> crypto to crypto can be done over tor on a crypto exchange site too
23:20:44 <vq12[m]> yea monero is totally fine too, sorry just used to using btc with bisq. I would be sending monero from kraken to my own wallet, then funding the bisq deposit. 
23:23:49 <great_taste> why's the price not pumping now that it supports nfts...
23:25:03 <xmrlover[m]> Local monero 
23:59:59 <great_taste> buy nfts in local monero?