00:01:40 <xmrlover[m]> I don't even think you can even buy nfts in local monero 
00:02:44 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> I refuse to understand NFTS and Web3
00:03:00 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> there is so much of that shit and I can't understand a damned thing
00:05:31 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> Everything past normal coin like Bitcoin and Monero and Ethereum feels convoluted and unnecessary
00:39:56 <fr33_yourself[m]> anyone know the first day that a m0rb was minted?
00:40:24 <lza_menace> Selling a monkey picture for 100 XMR. This is a steal. DM if interested. 
00:41:39 <fr33_yourself[m]> what was the date the first set of m0rbs hit the chain?
00:46:48 <RavFX> Imajin paying 100XMR for an ugly monkey
00:49:57 <r4v3r23[m]> RavFX: imagine paying $400k+ for monero.com
00:49:58 <r4v3r23[m]> s/./ dot /
00:50:20 <RavFX> monero.com have some use. An ugly monkey picture don't have any
00:51:23 <RavFX> -picture+low res drawing with mspaint.exe
00:51:39 <vq12[m]> will this monkey be good for a quick 100x? if so i would be interested
00:52:08 <RavFX> naa, if you buy it you will probably be the last one who pay that price
00:52:43 <RavFX> not that over 95% of the NFT did -99% but 95% of the NFT did -99%
00:53:24 <vq12[m]> so this monkey is in the 5% that will +1000%?
00:53:33 <RavFX> I was just a really big washing machine on Ethereum. Monero don't need that, it's so funny
00:53:52 <vq12[m]> and ordinals on btc
00:54:28 <RavFX> That monkey is worth the TX it did cost to mint it, nothing more, nothing less
00:54:40 <RavFX> tx fee*
00:59:00 <r4v3r23[m]> <RavFX> "monero.com have some use. An..." <- none
00:59:01 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@RavFX:libera.chat> monero.com have some use. An ugly monkey picture don't have any
00:59:01 <r4v3r23[m]>  * none. just as useless. in this case maybe even damaging
01:00:22 <RavFX> It would damaging that monero.com point to the monero project instead of a third party site?
01:01:34 <RavFX> Somone actually donated for that but the money ended up into the gf lol
01:02:40 <r4v3r23[m]> RavFX: yeah i know
01:56:12 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Dude i agree
01:56:29 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> 
01:56:29 <bridgerton[m]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1090816788545155122/0BKbbV-5Wdmsabw-x.png
01:56:29 <bridgerton[m]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1090816788851327006/0B-H-zf-xrtsM1m6W.png
01:57:41 <bridgerton[m]> <Nitro> Can I mine wownero on shitty laptop?
02:01:49 <fmlatghor> Anyone heard of skycoin?
02:02:46 <xmrlover[m]> fmlatghor: No but I'll check it out 
02:13:08 <fmlatghor> xmrlover[m]: involved in a weird scandal
04:30:49 <merope1> <bridgerton[m]> "<Nitro> Can I mine wownero on..." <- You technically can. You probably shouldn't. You'll just ruin your battery from all the overheating
04:33:33 <modul8[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<Nitro> I refuse to understand..." <- nfts makes sense to some degree. but do we all agree to use the same system to represent ntfs? (cant even do it with money lol) no we are just re-making things again and again hoping to win it all and be rich. i do like the do one thing well philosophy of unix/linux and monero and just build out from there with different tools/merge mining/etc. individual artistic creators probably have the
04:33:33 <modul8[m]> most to benefit with more power thanks to nfts? imagine releasing your own limited artwork/music/books etc etc. people still want that limited digital thing and it will have some value.
04:38:05 <modul8[m]> the provenance of my mp3 and flac collection is not to be trusted i got them with legitimacy unless i show people my bandcamp (until it gets closed down) or i could show you my physical records that werent just copied.
04:38:17 <modul8[m]> or nfts?
05:01:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> nfs?
05:45:22 <nitrogen[m]> Will this be monero calling?
05:45:24 * nitrogen[m] uploaded an image: (163KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/nitro.chat/uZQHLCCthFVZTUatfuVlsqRf/img-ed82292d.jpeg >
10:48:11 <cockliuser[m]> https://github.com/mooonero/mordinals/issues/9#issuecomment-1488510660
10:48:14 <cockliuser[m]> What the fuck lol
10:48:36 <cockliuser[m]> "The source code for the explorer currently running in production is not yet publicly available"
10:48:48 <cockliuser[m]> "Additionally, we plan to release a public API in April for your convenience"
11:18:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dickroaches
11:18:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe they want to get pentested 
11:18:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> By monero
11:19:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wen ccs to help these bums get a life
11:19:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> We do do charity, right mj?
11:20:41 <plowsof11> best ordinal under 1060 bytes competition 
11:21:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Moneropunks for sure 
11:22:02 <plowsof11> anything over 1060 was involved in the premine 
11:23:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Worst premine in history 
11:23:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerobull still holds the best nft on the chain 
11:23:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Monerochan gif)
11:25:56 <hbs[m]> Is it 1060 of padding or 1060 total for tx_extra?
11:27:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1060 total 
11:27:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1/2 tx you can put a 1kb tx on there 
11:27:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1/16 you can only put 505bytes 
11:29:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: +steg
11:29:35 <hbs[m]> ok that's what I thought, thanks for detailing 
11:29:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont like 
11:30:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> It solves 1 attack out of like 5
11:30:41 <monerobull[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Monerobull still holds the..." <- I also got a ton of good numbers 
11:31:03 <monerobull[m]> And the entirety of the Monerochan morb collection 
11:31:20 <monerobull[m]> All thanks to plowsof 🙏
11:31:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> No thanks to morDinal noobs
11:32:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks to boog and/or rav as well,for unbreaking the build
11:33:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Security through obscurity is the dumbest thing in the world. So, no. Im not being sarcastic
13:27:36 <cockliuser[m]> Why is Cake sync on a new wallet so fast compared to core
13:27:45 <cockliuser[m]> Is it because their nodes are faster or their sync implementation is different?
13:29:11 <Rucknium[m]> cockliuser: If you create a new wallet there is nothing to sync.
13:29:33 <Rucknium[m]> You must ask yourself what you are doing with the GUI wallet
13:30:25 <cockliuser[m]> Yeah probably something weird going on with my config lol
13:31:22 <Rucknium[m]> Are you asking the GUI wallet to sync from block height 0? That would be completely unnecessary with a new wallet with no XMR in it
13:31:39 <Rucknium[m]> Or are you downloading the blockchain and storing it?
13:34:29 <exCAT> hello all, anyone knows where I can buy a domain name with anonymously with monero?
13:35:11 <Rucknium[m]> exCAT: Njalla and 1984.is both take XMR
13:37:28 <exCAT> do you recommend one over the other?
13:37:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "Yeah probably something weird..." <- Make sure node is running before creating the wallet (?)
13:38:58 <Rucknium[m]> exCAT: Njalla VPS uptime is poor. Check every service's terms of service.
13:46:30 <exCAT> I already have a VPS, I was only interested in a domain name, Njalla seems to have more TLDs than 1984
13:46:52 <cockliuser[m]> ofrnxmr: I'm using a remote node lol
13:47:08 <cockliuser[m]> The issue was that Cake's node is order of magnitudes faster than the one I was using
13:49:26 <Rucknium[m]> Cake mentioned on Twitter that they had some speedups somehow I think.
13:56:39 <Rucknium[m]> Was it this? https://twitter.com/cakewallet/status/1603084872054087682
14:02:19 <rooter0_> When looking at global mining...  is one block in the blockchain worked on by all at the same time (serial), or is work for several blocks handed out at the same time? (concurrent)
14:02:36 <spackle_xmr[m]> If a remote node is particularly slow, I suspect it is run on a raspberry pi or similar. It might be worth trying a few others.
14:02:36 <spackle_xmr[m]> I haven't personally noticed Cake wallet syncing any faster than when using my own remote node, which uses upper-middle tier consumer hardware.
14:03:07 <plowsof11> ofrnxmr shared some network benchmarks when connecting to a node untrusted vs trusted 
14:05:11 <spackle_xmr[m]> rooter0_: One block at a time.
14:05:11 <spackle_xmr[m]> Each block includes a part of the previous block, so mining cannot begin until the directly previous block is set in stone.
14:05:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wallet syncing can be bottlenecked by the node, yeah. You can watch network and see periods if no network activity while the slow node is gathering more info to send over
14:05:25 <Rucknium[m]> rooter0_: Each block that each miner is working on is slightly different so there is low chance of a "hash collision" that would be wasted hashing effort. The blocks may contain roughly the same set of transactions though.
14:05:37 <Rucknium[m]> Both of these statements are true ^
14:06:50 <plowsof11> NTFS windows HDD vs a node running on an SSD that support NFTS no problem 
14:07:46 <rooter0_> That's weird.
14:08:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> I would ask what is, but rooter is a 24/25 year expert 
14:08:48 <Rucknium[m]> Mining is not necessarily intuitive.
14:10:01 <rooter0_> ... and I'm seeing that mining Monero isn't worth it.  Is anyone making money who doesn't join a paltry pool or have a CPU farm with free power?
14:10:10 <plowsof11> i will try to refer to nfts as nft's to avoid confusion 
14:10:24 <Rucknium[m]> Hashing a block is like rolling several handfuls of dice are trying to get a really low sum. If I roll once and don't get a low number, does that affect the probability of getting a low number the next time I roll? No. The rolls are independent
14:10:34 <fmlatghor> is XMR immutable? Like if a security update is pushed, what about the nodes on the blockchain that don't update?
14:10:54 <fmlatghor> that don't update their software
14:11:22 <rooter0_> Rucknium[m]: Interesting.
14:11:26 <Rucknium[m]> fmlatghor: Depends on what type of update it is. If there is a change to the consensus rules (which nodes have to agree to, anyway), then non-updated nodes will drop themselves from the network.
14:12:19 <Rucknium[m]> If it's not a consensus change, then those nodes can stay on. There is no rule against running slightly different software if it does not affect consensus
14:13:09 <Rucknium[m]> Mining Monero is pretty close to a free entry industry. According to standard economic theory, free entry causes zero economic profits.
14:14:01 <Rucknium[m]> ....if all firms have the same cost structure, I might add.
14:24:21 <vq12[m]> anyone use Bisq? How do i get an arbiter or peer to sign a new account?
14:25:38 <Siren[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "Why is Cake sync on a new wallet..." <- Maybe they have clustered monerod 👀
14:25:38 <Siren[m]> https://github.com/cirocosta/monero-operator
14:29:25 <plowsof11> when can we cancel this ccs 😭
14:29:53 <plowsof11> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): keeps asking for updates and i have nothing to tell him
15:16:52 <rooter0_> What's the purpose of setting the Monero wallet to listen on 18081?  In case you have multiple daemons?
15:19:06 <RavFX> 18081 is for unrestricted RPC, 18089 is for restricted RPC, 18080 is for P2P. One daemons need many ports, usually you want P2P and at least one RPC
15:19:54 <rooter0_> But it seems that you can also set the -wallet- to listen on RPC.  Why?
15:21:29 <RavFX> To be able to control it remotely. For example you might want to make a store that not only receive monero, but also allow customer to cancel orders and so do the refunds automatically
15:22:23 <RavFX> Or if you make service that allow deposit and withdraw of monero, then you have to control a wallet with RPC
15:22:39 <rooter0_> So if you also want to mine, I don't see how to set the miner daemon to feed the wallet.
15:22:54 <RavFX> When you mine, you connect to the node RPC, not the wallet
15:23:25 <rooter0_> Seems like the inverse should be possible?
15:24:20 <RavFX> You don't need to control a wallet to mine. But you need to get the latest TX data from the node mempool
15:24:55 <plowsof11> "miner daemon to feed the wallet" -> you supply an address to mine to 
15:25:11 <RavFX> And when you mine a block, you put send a payout to yourself for the coinbase coin, that again don't need a wallet RPC, but you do have to provide you're wallet address to the miner so it make the transaction for that wallet if it mine a block
15:26:09 <rooter0_> Seems like that could be done with wallet listening instead of node?
15:26:22 <rooter0_> ... except there's no daemon switch.
15:26:51 <plowsof11> what will the wallet listen to 
15:26:56 <RavFX> I could be but you will not get latest TX data... And it would increase latency to pull data from wallet instead of the node because the wallet would have to pull it from the node
15:28:23 <RavFX> Plowsof11: He want to use wallet RPC instead of node RPC. Afaik you only use wallet RPC if you provide a service that require receiving and sending monero (and even for receiveing only, a wallet rpc is not required)
15:33:41 <fmlatghor> Rucknium[m]: thanks,
15:44:47 <rooter0_> Is there an undocumented node switch to direct to a wallet RPC server?
15:45:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> ""miner daemon to feed the wallet..." <- He's ignoring you, dont even answer him lol
15:45:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Useless plowsof
15:46:56 <rooter0_> It would make sense, like an empty box in the Periodic Table...
15:49:24 <Rucknium[m]> rooter0_: What is a "node switch to direct to a wallet RPC server"?
15:50:32 <rooter0_> If I set the wallet to listen on RPC rather than the node, I would need to direct the node to use the wallet as a server.  But there's no switch for that.
15:51:18 <RavFX> Because you don't connect you're node to a wallet, it's designed to be the opposite
15:51:25 <plowsof11> uhhh hnng 
15:52:31 <rooter0_> (Just thinking like a lawyer)
15:56:01 <merope1> rooter0_: You need to think like a programmer instead
15:56:52 <rooter0_> Ain't one.  I'm an infosec type, a real estate developer, and a lawyer.  Sorry for the noise.
15:57:59 <merope1> You'd think an infosec guy would understand separation of concerns and programming interfaces
15:58:35 <heinrich[m]> merope1: why so rude?
15:58:44 <rooter0_> An infosec type thinks forwards and backwards.
16:01:10 <rooter0_> Here, I'll help you:  The wallet is the 'hive'.  The 'prize'.  And it should have the choice of whether to access the node or not.  There, is that better?
16:02:14 <merope1> heinrich[m]: Because he keeps using that "infosec guy with decades of experience" line to justify not reading the manuals or listening to people with more experience with Monero software, when we're just trying to point him in the right direction
16:02:15 <RavFX> nodes talk to nodes on P2P port 18080. Everything else talk to node on RPC port 18081 or 18089. 
16:02:49 <heinrich[m]> merope1: i see
16:02:49 <RavFX> Wallet don't expose a P2P port
16:03:25 <merope1> Had he bothered to read a few paragraphs on monerodocs.org like I suggested last time, he'd understand the difference betwen monerod and wallet-rpc
16:04:40 <merope1> And I would expect someone with that claimed experience to understand that just because two programs use similar interfaces to communicate, that doesn't mean they are interchangeable
16:04:51 <rooter0_> Ok merope1 You're with ofrnxmr[m] and plowsof...  You should try and try to understand, "*** The channel topic is "[XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers"  Setting you to Ignore too.
16:05:07 <nioc> breaking news; your monero is not in your wallet and never was
16:05:14 <RavFX> they have totally different API yeah. Exchanges and merchants would use Wallet API.
16:05:29 <rooter0_> Just argumentative.
16:06:15 <nioc> also your bed is not in your house keys 
16:06:21 <RavFX> Because exchange and merchands would want to send and receive monero automatically (like someone pressing withdraw button)
16:10:18 <rooter0_> RavFX: Understand the function of the ports.  I am asking for undisclosed reasons.  Wasn't aware of the Merchant functions tho, thx.
16:11:31 <RavFX> Yep, the mercants and exchanges use wallet services (because the receive and send monero), that's why the wallets expose RPC port (probably the only reason)
16:12:03 <rooter0_> (but, in restricted mode...)
16:12:40 <RavFX> that's a node RPC 18089. The difference is that unrestricted have more available function than restricted. some node only offer restricted.
16:13:11 <rooter0_> So that sort of wallet must be considered hot.
16:13:12 <RavFX> for example, you can't know the version of the node daemon if you ask on the restricted port.
16:13:39 <rooter0_> I noticed that with status, until I fixed it locally.
16:13:48 <RavFX> Yes, if a website connect to the wallet RPC to be able to send monero, that's considered HOT
16:28:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any wallet with keys on an internet accessible device is hot 
16:28:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, lol, forgot, he cant hear me
16:28:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> We need chatgpt integration 
16:30:18 <RavFX> Why chatGPT? Just download the Meta LLama leak (only ~220GB) Then pull that c++ program from github to use it, so you have
16:30:32 <RavFX> your local AI to query as wish
16:30:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> I mean, to answer rooters Google questions 
16:31:10 <RavFX> Yeah, then integrate that as a bot here
16:32:07 <RavFX[m]> https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp
16:34:10 <rooter0_> Nice.
16:46:05 <rooter0_> It twerks!
16:47:06 <fmlatghor> it just twerks
16:47:29 <rooter0_> Yep, toungue out and all.
16:47:40 <merope1> RavFX: he's still confused between wallet-rpc vs node restricted/unrestricted rpc
16:47:42 <rooter0_> (sp)
16:51:21 <lza_menace> Plowsof could you make a GitHub issue for me please?
16:51:36 <lza_menace> Got your email, remote at the moment 
16:54:37 <plowsof11> of course lza
16:55:06 <plowsof11> lza_menace
16:56:40 <plowsof11> feature request for displaying tx extra nodes?
17:04:03 <lza_menace> Yep
17:04:08 <lza_menace> thanks dawwwg
17:08:29 <Alex|LocalMonero> https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard/weekly/47
18:15:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Name and shame tx_extra nodes
20:31:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <plowsof11> "Dan (Is not the man & Braxman..." <- ANSWER ME!!! ily :)
22:40:04 <Sir_Teal_Esq> Yo
22:40:14 <Sir_Teal_Esq> Hello monero crew
22:42:23 <Sir_Teal_Esq> I am now runing the newer version of the CLI but I lost my synch history with the extraction of the new file how do I fix this.
22:45:24 <Sir_Teal_Esq> went from 18.0.0 to 18.2.0
22:50:24 <Sir_Teal_Esq> Anyone Hanging around at all to help me out?