01:43:57 <MajesticBank> the problem as I see it as that we have many of volunteers, expecting that someone can volunteer, be objective and work for free it's unrealistic 
01:44:41 <rifdfkask[m]> Can anyone provide help me with something in return I can give some monero?
01:45:33 <MajesticBank> in 2023 it's better having paid ccs funded reddit moderators, monerokon organizers then relaying on biased people to work for free, then we are asking why socials are locked
01:52:37 <MajesticBank> any new business trying to do something in the community will have same FUD campaigns and pressure by "monero.com" squatters as we are having, it's not healthy behavior for any community
01:56:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> My bot spam should shutup
01:56:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mr*
02:01:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Majestic wants others to be held accountable, but has not taken a single step to show accountability for any issue.
02:01:56 <MajesticBank> You are already exposed bro, don't make more trouble for trocador+cake
02:02:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Always comes on the backend claiming fud, like were retarded and dont remember your exchange being down for ~ a week, without any meaningful updates as to wtf was going on or why a sponsor of monero and Monerokon has users missing funds
02:02:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exposed as what? Speak up
02:02:29 <MajesticBank> shilling low privacy solutions here from multi accounts
02:02:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Name some of my accounts
02:02:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And name what I shill
02:02:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please
02:03:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tell everyone 
02:08:08 <bike[m]> <MajesticBank> "You are already exposed bro, don..." <- are you the majesticbank that was down earlier?
02:44:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bank run?
03:35:35 <TheDisruptiveCol> Is this gay ops still going on 
03:38:54 <TheDisruptiveCol> Guys run a full node, mine, trade P2P with DEX or friends.   Majestic, and all other for profit services should be treated as just that.   Businesses.   They are not your friend 
03:45:52 <Alex|LocalMonero> They may not be friends in the same way that your social circle friends are your friends, but businesses can certainly be aligned with you. Not talking any business specifically, just a general case.
03:47:36 <Alex|LocalMonero> A long-term successful business will certainly endeavor to treat any customer as best they can.
03:48:49 <Alex|LocalMonero> I've certainly had life experiences where business owners would go above and beyond many of my friends in trying to help me, even beyond the scope of payment.
03:49:53 <Alex|LocalMonero> Businesses are just groups of people. They can be nice to you, they can be mean to you. They can believe in the same things you believe, or in the opposite.
06:25:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> good customer service gets you repeat customers
06:27:52 <dEBRUYNE> lza_menace: Fwiw the moderator list can be seen on the side bar
10:32:57 <bridgerton[m]> <ceruleous> when u churn wallet, do you use primary or secondary addr?
14:36:42 <mrr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/127nn40/proposal_a_standard_for_finding_merchants_that/
14:36:42 <mrr[m]> Who approves new posts on getmonero.org? I think that if this is properly implemented, it would be a big improvement for the Monero circular economy.
14:43:51 <MajesticBank> do services have to contact you or you list them on your own ?
14:48:45 <mrr[m]> MajesticBank: Both. They can submit their merchant to the website, and those services which I am familiar with I list them on my own
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18:02:45 <rooter0_> No way to specify wallet-path in the daemon.
18:03:17 <rooter0_> It's fixed at ...Monero/wallets.
18:24:50 <rooter0_> "Your search - "MSR_AMD64_" - did not match any documents."    Dontcha just wanna punch that G**gle fishing gnome right in his fat little face?!
18:27:55 <rooter0_> Well G**gle is baffled but the duck isn't...
19:04:09 <rooter0_> So these are the CPU capabilities that the host has but the VM doesn't:  ht constant_tsc nonstop_tsc aperfmperf rapl monitor extapic ibs skinit wdt tce topoext perfctr_nb bpext perfctr_llc mwaitx cat_l3 cdp_l3 hw_pstate mba cqm rdt_a xsavec cqm_llc cqm_occup_llc cqm_mbm_total cqm_mbm_local irperf rdpru amd_ppin svm_lock tsc_scale flushbyasid decodeassists avic pfthreshold v_spec_ctrl overflow_recov succor smca sev sev_es
19:04:47 <rooter0_> And these are the capabilities that the VM has but the host doesn't:  x2apic  tsc_deadline_timer fsgsbasetsc_adjust arch_capabilities
19:05:23 <rooter0_> (AMD EPYC 7542)
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19:12:04 <rooter0_> Somebody ban reckonin[m]
19:13:50 <rooter0_> You'll notice that our target is in neither of the above lists, which means it is available in both the host and guest, assuming CPU apssthrough.   Also unit-stride access needs disallowed..
19:15:52 <MajesticBank> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu0k59y5z3E
19:16:33 <MajesticBank> How & Why to Mine Monero, donate to this half a million youtube subscribers monero shill guy
19:17:51 <MajesticBank> 100k views on monero mining, probably biggest reach on youtube the monero mining gets
19:20:16 <rooter0_> Unfortunately the kernel on AMD does not support changing these values yet.  Yes on Intel, no on AMD.
19:21:10 <rooter0_> But in the end this is only a workaround, as the mining code itself can/should disable prefetch.
19:22:28 <rooter0_> Because nobody with any sense is turning off prefetch for the --whole server-- in BIOS.
19:24:04 <RavFX> You can patch the hypervisor to allow changing the specific AMD MSR from a VM. It's what I do when I mine with qubesos
19:24:38 <RavFX> But you also need you're mining VM to have the vcpu pinned to real one
19:36:43 <rooter0_> Dang, I thought I was just talking to myself...
19:37:38 <rooter0_> Changing the MSR is clearly possible in the VM as it's available as a CPU characteristic.
19:38:12 <rooter0_> No one's found this before.  But the real solution is to fix the daemon code.
19:39:22 <rooter0_> I have everything pinned, including the host.  But, queerly, CPU% still ramps up in other VMs when I start the mining VM.
19:40:00 <rooter0_> I have 5 CPUs set aside in the mining VM for exceptions and I/O.
19:40:41 <rooter0_> All pinning is done to keep the two threads for each core together.
19:42:42 <rooter0_> And I have hugepages set up in the host and dedited to the mining VM in a new way, such that /dev/hugepages is now automatically mounted in the VM.
19:46:26 <RavFX> Reserving the hugepages for the VM is the best way to do it yes, that way you still have them available even after many days uptime. For you're other issue I can't say, I do use XEN for mine.
19:52:32 <rooter0_> Here's a problem with the daemon which I'm not going to report, since I've been treated so badly by others here:  https://paste.ec/paste/chxr93RG#F64WBzs0Z07Ctze1gK09bkuJudiEp5Bnxg9O+kZv64U
19:56:26 <rooter0_> "ERROR Will Robinson, FATAL ERROR."  And it is not mining at all.
19:57:04 <rooter0_> Impressive...  
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20:13:05 <orion_midast[m]> Hey, what is a standard DAG blockchain ? 
20:13:05 <orion_midast[m]> "Monero is a standard one-dimensional distributed
20:13:05 <orion_midast[m]> acyclic graph (DAG) cryptocurrency blockchain"
20:13:05 <orion_midast[m]> Would the chatgpt explanation be accurate ??
20:13:27 <orion_midast[m]>  * Hey, what is a standard DAG blockchain ? 
20:13:27 <orion_midast[m]> "Monero is a standard one-dimensional distributed
20:13:27 <orion_midast[m]> acyclic graph (DAG) cryptocurrency blockchain" - Zero to monero
20:13:27 <orion_midast[m]> Would the chatgpt explanation be accurate ??
20:16:12 <orion_midast[m]>  * Hey, what is a standard DAG blockchain ? 
20:16:12 <orion_midast[m]> "Monero is a standard one-dimensional distributed
20:16:12 <orion_midast[m]> acyclic graph (DAG) cryptocurrency blockchain" - Zero to monero
20:16:12 <orion_midast[m]> Would the chatgpt explanation be accurate for how monero works??
20:16:48 <Rucknium[m]> rooter0_: To start, you are not mining to a valid address. So you can fix that first.
20:16:53 <Rucknium[m]> orion_midast: No
20:17:41 <orion_midast[m]> Rucknium[m]: what would it be then ? Can you please help me understand it ?
20:18:12 <Rucknium[m]> orion_midast: Start with Mastering Monero. It's less technical
20:18:37 <orion_midast[m]> Rucknium[m]: link? 
20:19:01 <cockliuser[m]> https://masteringmonero.com ?
20:23:42 <rooter0_> Rucknium[m]: I've excesed the address for the benefit of the paste.  The actual address is correct.
20:24:25 <rooter0_> excised
20:26:47 <Rucknium[m]> Ok. It appears that it is attempting to sync. Is the blockchain fully synced? To mine with monerod the blockchain must be fully synced.
20:27:55 <rooter0_> Checking with the wllet app it connects and shows the blockchain and wallet fully synced.
20:29:52 <Rucknium[m]> Can you type "status" into the monerod console? That would confirm for sure if this particular monerod was synced
20:32:49 <rooter0_> Rucknium[m]: https://paste.ec/paste/+stkTy7o#hdUUTsH5jpf3qMQveV7qCzkXdSeVcU+VsvGf2Ym8wVy
20:35:58 <Rucknium[m]> rooter0_: You don't have any connections so it's not going to start mining on a stale chaintip. The block height there (2853421) is two days old: https://xmrchain.net/search?value=2853421
20:36:25 <rooter0_> :Not mining"... yet I specifically asked it to.
20:37:22 <rooter0_> Why then isn't it syncing?
20:37:48 <Rucknium[m]> It isn't syncing because you have no connections
20:38:23 <Rucknium[m]> "0(out)+0(in) connections" means you have no connections
20:38:33 <rooter0_> 18080 is open, all the way.
20:39:47 <rooter0_> It wants 18280, 18380, 18480, but that's not allowed.
20:41:03 <Rucknium[m]> You don't really have to open ports for monerod to function, anyway. It can help, but you can initiate connections to other nodes without any open ports.
20:41:53 <Rucknium[m]> It's possible your node did something that other nodes didn't like and then the other nodes banned you for a period of time.
20:42:48 <rooter0_> I've been makin many adjustments.
20:44:55 <rooter0_> ... but how could I have been so offensive?  Do I have to change my IP?
20:46:02 <selsta> rooter0_: what happens when you restart monerod? does it block peers or does it never have any connections to being with?
20:46:12 <Rucknium[m]> This paper lists some ways you can get banned: https://moneroresearch.info/index.php?action=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=132
20:46:37 <selsta> begin*
20:47:13 <Rucknium[m]> "Periodically, the Monero P2P system may notice unwanted behavior from its peers. This includes: not maintaining a stable connection, not fulfilling a request, sending invalid transactions, sending invalid blocks, or breaking some other consensus rule. To deal with these peers, Monero implements a strict security policy. The system drop connections and can potentially takes further action."
20:48:32 <rooter0_> selsta: I reboot and restart on the command-line, and always the same.
20:49:42 <rooter0_> Well, I'm getting a crash on startup which looks for all the world like a coding problem.
20:50:04 <rooter0_> ... a completely consistent crash.
20:51:21 <rooter0_> https://paste.ec/paste/chxr93RG#F64WBzs0Z07Ctze1gK09bkuJudiEp5Bnxg9O+kZv64U
20:52:49 <rooter0_> I've eliminated every command-line switch I can but still get this.
20:59:52 <rooter0_> Daemon coding problem.
21:03:36 <RavFX> If I look at my logs, I did find some similar errors yes it still seam to ignore them and sync. (The bad alloc thing)
21:07:54 <rooter0_> Ok so I am banned.
21:08:19 <rooter0_> ... for optimizing.
21:08:57 <rooter0_> ... or having too many CPUs?
21:09:22 <RavFX> Number of CPU should not affect the node
21:09:49 <rooter0_> I've run confidence tests and found definite throttling above 25 threads.
21:11:56 <rooter0_> https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/11x529c/comment/je6s8so/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
21:14:07 <RavFX> Ah yeah, don't use hyperthreads
21:14:22 <RavFX> xmrig won't use them by default
21:14:39 <RavFX> I get about 18Kh/s with a 16 cores 3950X
21:15:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Is this for mining or running node?
21:15:22 <RavFX> I do get +-the same exact HR per cpu cores
21:15:28 <RavFX> Both I think
21:16:34 <RavFX> rooter0_, do check the status of the MSR on each cores from the HOST
21:17:21 <RavFX> I don't know why hyperviser you use, I assume pining should work, But on my side without pining, xmrig endup patching the same cores half of the time, leaving most cores unpatched
21:17:54 <rooter0_> "Don't use hyperthreads"?  I have 25 cores dedicated to this VM and all threads are pinned together with their cores.
21:17:56 <RavFX> It's not the xmrig fault but the hypervisor fault.
21:18:32 <rooter0_> I'm running the monerod.
21:19:16 <rooter0_> KVM
21:19:35 <rooter0_> Pinning is def working as I can check.
21:19:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Arent you assigning a number of cores and cpus?
21:19:52 <RavFX> Oh, I personally have no experience with monerod miners. Same with KVM, only mined on XEN so far. Yep, pining was the fix here too
21:20:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I use proxmox with monerod in lxc
21:20:29 <rooter0_> Assigning the threads for 25 cores to this VM.
21:22:27 <rooter0_> I tried to get Xen running for weeks in Debian years ago, and they made it a trainwreck.
21:23:03 <rooter0_> DanIsnotthemanBr: What performance are you getting/thread?
21:24:21 <Rucknium[m]> With Monero, you need enough L3 cache on each core to mine efficiently. Mining on as many cores are possible usually does not get the best performance.
21:24:27 <rooter0_> Oh, Proxmox is canned Debian.
21:25:02 <Rucknium[m]> xmrig usually gets better results than just mining with monerod directly. It selects the "best" number of threads usually
21:25:25 <RavFX> +1 for xmrig
21:25:56 <orion_midast[m]> Hey, I am having difficulties with my antivirus, is there a way to make it so the antivirus does not flag monero wallet as a virus ? Usually I just go in history and allow all the blocked "viruses" from defender, but its annoying and I am always left wondering if something important got deleted
21:26:06 <rooter0_> Tried xmrig but things just got out of hand, so reverted to simplicity....  and it's not working at all.
21:26:29 <RavFX> Orion, you can exclude some folders from the antivirus (work with windows defender)
21:27:11 <orion_midast[m]> how does that work
21:27:12 <orion_midast[m]> RavFX: do I do it before I download ?
21:27:37 <RavFX> Do that before download yes, where you plan to put your monero stuff, and download directly in that folder
21:27:51 <RavFX> so the antivisur wont eat you're download
21:27:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Check quarantine for the folder
21:27:58 <orion_midast[m]> RavFX: ok big brain
21:27:59 <orion_midast[m]> thanks
21:56:01 <orion_midast[m]> <RavFX> "Do that before download yes..." <- worked like a charm
22:06:27 <RavFX[m]> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: Could you ask only for fingerprint or 2FA code when one free the escrow. I do not know my password and the password manager on the phone take forever to decrypt the DB!
22:08:31 <Alex|LocalMonero> RavFX[m]: That's a good suggestion, the only trouble is that it would mean that we would have to store your password on the phone. So basically, in the background, the app will still send the password. It's just that this will be abstracted away by your entering the pin or fingerprint. What do you think?
22:09:01 <Alex|LocalMonero> We strive never to store secrets locally whenever possible in order to minimize attack surface.
22:09:34 <RavFX[m]> hmm, no for storing the password on the phone.
22:09:35 <RavFX[m]> I did not know how the application was made, as I can open trades and chat with contacts without entering it. Was thinking it was a session or something.
22:10:12 <Alex|LocalMonero> The password is in fact necessary to finalize the trade, because the password is used to generate the non-custodial settlement wallet
22:11:08 <RavFX> Ah, now I understand. Then leave it as is.
23:15:59 <spender> it it just me or is it taking a long time for my 0conf show up
23:17:51 <Alex|LocalMonero> spender: Is your node configured to use tor in `--disable-noise` mode?
23:18:05 <spender> I am using feather wallet over tor
23:18:11 <spender> not running a node
23:18:39 <spender> is there some way I can re-broadcast my transaction or something
23:18:43 <Alex|LocalMonero> Perhaps the node your feather connected to isn't using --disable-noise
23:18:53 <spender> what is disable-noise?
23:18:59 <spender> tx_extra stuff?
23:19:08 <Alex|LocalMonero> It's a node flag to disable dandelion++
23:19:22 <Alex|LocalMonero> Makes txs show up almost instantly, like the pre-dandelion days.
23:19:39 <Alex|LocalMonero> Should be standard practice in conjuction with broadcasting over tor/i2p.
23:20:00 <selsta> selsta2.featherwallet.net:18081 <-- I have disable_noise enabled, with this node it should show up next to instantly
23:25:07 <spender> I wonder if the node is intentionally holding the transaction to cause havoc if I send another. Maybe I should just sweep?
23:26:54 <spender> a little churning never hurts
23:35:57 <spender> hey I got a question
23:36:50 <spender> when transaction chaining gets added in seraphis, are we gonna be able to queue transactions from spent coins. Or is that only gonna be used for atomic swaps and weird stuff
23:36:54 <plowsof11> what node are you using 
23:37:00 <spender> now?
23:37:01 <plowsof11> where you using*
23:37:27 <plowsof11> one of my nodes fails to broadcast transactions sometimes
23:37:30 <spender> an onion node from the feather default list
23:37:37 <spender> oh yeah plowsof I think
23:38:11 <plowsof11> i guess i owe you can apology 
23:38:42 <spender> I think this is the second time it's happened
23:38:54 <spender> plowsof no biggie
23:39:09 <spender> but I should have multibroadcast on...
23:39:27 <spender> maybe I should be using tor exit nodes to clearnet as well?
23:40:29 <spender> plowsof what do u think it is? are you blacklisted somehow
23:41:27 <plowsof11> im not 100% sure but it is related to me losing I2p peers on that node 
23:42:12 <plowsof11> the problem happens sometimes on plowsoffjex , but not the other one
23:42:34 <spender> yeah that was the one I was connected to
23:42:47 <spender> who is jex, just a lucky vanity?
23:43:30 <plowsof11> using the other one, you'll be fine without multi broadcast off , its just... a thing im currently dealing with 
23:43:36 <plowsof11> thanks for reporting 
23:46:41 <spender> you know what else grinds my gears
23:46:54 <spender> https://awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/Grinds-my-gears.jpg
23:47:08 <spender> my cell provider is blocking monero over clearnet