00:47:06 <cockliuser[m]> Whatttt
00:47:06 <cockliuser[m]> How
00:47:13 <cockliuser[m]> As in getmonero.org?
00:47:33 <cockliuser[m]> Or are you cut off from the entire P2P network?
02:21:08 <hyc> they could block the p2p ports I suppose. but other protocols use 18080 too.
04:05:28 <luna24[m]> <spender> "my cell provider is blocking..." <- that's scuffed
04:06:01 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> That's messed up
04:06:26 <luna24[m]> I'm pretty sure the UK late last year banned XMR on fiat exchanges too 
04:07:01 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Is there any other way to get it
04:07:30 <luna24[m]> DEX's 
04:08:22 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Do you guys have access to trovador.app at least
04:08:32 <luna24[m]> so stuff like UniSwap, paraswap
04:08:46 <luna24[m]> bridgerton[m]: I use ledger for my hardware, 
04:09:11 <bridgerton[m]> s/trovador/trocador/
04:09:33 <luna24[m]> and then also other wallets like phantom and metamask that I have my ledger wallets synced to 
04:10:06 <luna24[m]> just easier to have someone scan a QR code to send you crypto then having to write out an entire wallet address 
04:10:27 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Fair enough
04:13:17 <luna24[m]> yeh haha
04:28:26 <luna24[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<Bon 💗> Fair enough" <- im assuming you're on the discord server btw cuz of the <bon <3> tag lol
04:31:00 <Alex|LocalMonero> luna24: did you try to DM me?
04:31:29 <luna24[m]> Alex|LocalMonero: nah, was just tryna read you name fully and it started some weird verifaction shit lol
04:31:47 <luna24[m]> havent used element in a hot minute
07:52:01 <dark[m]> stax
07:52:17 <dark[m]> Have you guys heard about the ledger stax?
08:00:20 <rbrunner> Yes. But not out yet, from their shop page: "We have received all the pre-orders we can deliver through Summer 2023."
08:39:14 <cockliuser[m]> God localmonero is so based
08:39:50 <cockliuser[m]> "Monero banned in X country? We'll continue services like there's no law" 
08:40:02 <cockliuser[m]> Run by chads
08:40:54 <rbrunner> Just 10 minutes ago saw their Wownero banner on r/CryptoCurrency :)
08:42:59 <cockliuser[m]> Teh wow banner is jw funded
08:43:11 <cockliuser[m]> Lotsa burnt moons 
08:45:06 <rbrunner> Ah, the usual suspects then
08:56:15 <Rec[m]> <cockliuser[m]> ""Monero banned in X country? We..." <- Yeah it’s great, helps a lot
12:22:14 <xfedex[m]> <cockliuser[m]> ""Monero banned in X country? We..." <- afaik localmonero blocks russia, and xmr is not even banned there
12:23:00 <erembax[m]> is there a monero space on element?
12:29:27 <xfedex[m]> #monerospace:monero.social
12:33:06 <erembax[m]> xfedex[m]: Ok thanks. I feel like a crazy person because their does not seem to be an easy way to search for Spaces? I only kept finding rooms...
12:39:05 <xfedex[m]> erembax yeah matrix has always been like that
12:39:15 <xfedex[m]> i only found the space because someone else shared its link
15:32:36 <rooter0_> Have a fileserver running a full node.  I want other machines in the LAN to work with this one blockchain, but I find no instructions.  I gather that I can either set LAN machines up as 'renote nodes', or set up my own private pool, but no instructions are evident.
15:38:59 <luna24[m]> <dark[m]> "Have you guys heard about the..." <- I prefer the nano x, stac just seems like a gimmick 
15:43:26 <rbrunner> Don't know, finally room for our long addresses on the display I would say, reading Monero addresses on the Nano X is more akin to torture
15:43:33 <rbrunner> And just wait for Jamtis addresses :)
15:50:37 <rooter0_> Ok seems I'm doing New Science once again.  a remote node is not the answer.
15:57:27 <luna24[m]> Oof
16:25:50 <rooter0_> Ok you don't have to worry about me anymore.  I've got it.
16:29:44 <luna24[m]> <rbrunner> "Don't know, finally room for our..." <- True, granted I’d rather just be sent dai or usdt using MetaMask or phantom and then using uniswap to make it monero, just less of a hassle 
16:30:08 <luna24[m]> Wish monero did a qrcode lol, would make sooo much easier to send and receive
18:39:39 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> wonder what he's talking about
18:39:39 <bridgerton[m]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1092156401293467658/image.png
18:41:21 <cockliuser[m]> That's the heroin talking 
18:50:12 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> he's the lead dev of Lokinet btw
18:50:26 <rooter0_> monerod:  crash, crash, crashy-crash-crash
18:50:41 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> 
18:50:41 <bridgerton[m]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1092159181097799861/image.png
18:50:55 <cockliuser[m]> bridgerton[m]: Figures, that Session was glow af 
18:51:00 <rooter0_> ... only when started with systemd.
18:51:39 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> >soystemd
18:51:40 <cockliuser[m]> Lokinet were involved with quite a few honeypot+"terrorist" associations
18:51:41 <cockliuser[m]> Terrorist as in three letter agencies 
18:51:41 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> source?
18:52:50 <cockliuser[m]> They were involved with 8kun and Brendan and some other *stuff*
18:53:06 <cockliuser[m]> 8kun is probably the biggest honeypot on the internet 
18:53:24 <cockliuser[m]> s/Brendan/Brennan/
18:54:21 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> interesting, how was lokinet involved?
18:55:29 <cockliuser[m]> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/breaking-the-law-how-8chan-or-8kun-got-briefly-back-online/
18:55:36 <cockliuser[m]> Initiative was from Lokinet not 8kun
18:55:47 <cockliuser[m]> Btw is that UI mastodon or nitter
18:57:29 <cockliuser[m]> Wait wrong article 😭
18:57:41 <cockliuser[m]> Here's https://8kun.top/g/res/13024.html
18:59:13 <cockliuser[m]> https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1190663933754925057 (this guy is the main dev+moderator behind 8kun)
19:27:18 <luna24[m]> Looks like a beta male who is a self identifying alpha chad
19:27:24 <luna24[m]> Def knows karate
19:34:03 <rooter0_> Mebee tai kwon do...
19:34:42 <rooter0_> Anyone set up a private p2pool?
19:39:07 <rooter0_> {crickets}
19:52:57 <luna24[m]> <rooter0_> "Anyone set up a private p2pool?" <- I haven’t, I plan on setting up my own pool though when I finish setting up my libre renegade cluster 
19:53:14 <luna24[m]> Gonna mine monero and another coin along side each other lol
19:54:20 <rooter0_> The .json config file can not accept my wallet gibberish.  It's supposed to accept the command switches which go with p2pool.
19:54:48 <rooter0_> ... eh but it will not.
19:59:48 <luna24[m]> That’s weird,
20:01:13 <luna24[m]> Might want to check this miner channel: https://matrix.to/#/%23xmrmine%3Amatrix.org
20:01:27 <rooter0_> Yuh, and alarming to someone like me who depends on computers following the fsking rules...
20:01:28 <DataHoarder> rooter0_: it doesn't
20:01:36 <DataHoarder> the config file is for consensus info
20:01:41 <DataHoarder> not wallet parameters
20:01:41 <luna24[m]> They are pretty helpful
20:01:46 <DataHoarder> those are cmdline only
20:02:04 <luna24[m]> ^^
20:02:06 <DataHoarder> if you mean something like this https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/master/config.json
20:02:23 <rooter0_> DataHoarder: Why is this config file different from others?
20:02:27 <DataHoarder> ?
20:02:33 <DataHoarder> different from what
20:02:44 <luna24[m]> Maybe default?
20:03:08 <rooter0_> p2pool --help gives the proper switches, and each of these should be implimentable in the config file.
20:03:15 <DataHoarder> no
20:03:20 <DataHoarder> config file is not for that
20:03:22 <rooter0_> ... but --wallet is different?!
20:03:25 <DataHoarder> but for CONSENSUS parameters
20:03:28 <DataHoarder> https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/f6a285de87b672041ea0b7951e213e248a5f4cc7/src/side_chain.cpp#L110
20:03:33 <DataHoarder> these ones
20:04:40 <rooter0_> Ok.  Anachronistic.  Do you know of any other excepions, maybe reasons why?
20:04:46 <DataHoarder> what exceptions?
20:05:00 <DataHoarder> config.json is not for cmdline parameters
20:05:08 <DataHoarder> it's its own file for consensus sidechains
20:05:26 <DataHoarder> it's for example what differentiates default from mini (but that's for ease of use passed via --mini)
20:05:27 <DataHoarder> https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/f6a285de87b672041ea0b7951e213e248a5f4cc7/src/main.cpp#L27-L63
20:05:41 <rooter0_> Ok.  That's not in the docs.  So don't mess with it at all?
20:05:42 <DataHoarder> none of the parameters here can be passed on config.json
20:06:03 <luna24[m]> rooter0_: No, don’t mess with the config.json
20:06:03 <DataHoarder> it's in the docs, I linked the config file
20:06:09 <DataHoarder> but yeah don't mess with that
20:06:12 <luna24[m]> Use the cmd
20:06:27 <DataHoarder> > // p2pool side-chain settings
20:06:27 <DataHoarder> > // If you change anything here, you'll most likely be mining alone on a different p2pool side-chain!!!
20:06:32 <luna24[m]> * Use cmdl
20:06:57 <rooter0_> Ya saw that,but this is inconsistent with monerod.config and xmrig.json.
20:07:21 <DataHoarder> they are different tools
20:07:29 <DataHoarder> not p2pool
20:07:39 <DataHoarder> probably should be called consensus.json, but *shrug*
20:07:47 <rooter0_> Fair enough.
20:08:02 <rooter0_> I'll quit fscking with it.
20:08:06 <DataHoarder> :D
20:08:08 <luna24[m]> They arent supposed to be consistent, they are different
20:08:39 <rooter0_> monerod and xmrig are consistent in this respect.
20:08:52 <DataHoarder> happenchance :D
20:09:12 <luna24[m]> Yeh haha
20:09:31 <rooter0_> Thx DataHoarder.
20:37:40 <rooter0_> DataHoarder: I'm starting the p2pool daemon but it keeps trying to get out 37889.  I just want a local, private pool.  What shuld I do?
20:37:52 <DataHoarder> private pool?
20:37:59 <DataHoarder> then it will not be a pool with others
20:38:02 <rooter0_> Local to my LAN
20:38:08 <DataHoarder> that is still solo mining
20:38:16 <rooter0_> I have plenty of horsepower.
20:38:20 <DataHoarder> so just use xmrig directly on something that makes the templates
20:38:25 <DataHoarder> look at solo mining setups then
20:38:28 <DataHoarder> no need for p2pool
20:38:55 <rooter0_> Hm, I'd asked around and found no other answers.
20:39:01 <DataHoarder> https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/blob/master/scripts/solo_mine_example.cmd
20:39:07 <DataHoarder> it's an example on xmrig
20:39:16 <DataHoarder> you only need monerod
20:39:27 <DataHoarder> as curiosity, what is your expected overall hashrate?
20:39:40 <rooter0_> I just want one daemon which tends the blockchain (and maybe mines), and many clients for it.
20:39:55 <DataHoarder> as said, you only need one monerod on a computer
20:40:07 <DataHoarder> then each client just uses xmrig to connect to it
20:40:13 <DataHoarder> nothing else
20:40:23 <rooter0_> I tried that but can't figure out how to connect other engines.
20:40:39 <DataHoarder> > as curiosity, what is your expected overall hashrate?
20:40:56 <DataHoarder> anyhow see the linked example
20:41:15 <DataHoarder> where node.xmr.to:18081 is where your monero node rpc goes
20:41:37 <DataHoarder> you already need this open to have p2pool working
20:41:47 <DataHoarder> so if you have set this up, you already have it
20:41:49 <rooter0_> I have an AMD EPYC 7542 32-Core Processor.  I project ~20k but see others getting 45k so am confused.
20:42:08 <DataHoarder> that will still take a while to solo mine
20:42:55 <rooter0_> I have other machines in the LAN but not a whole lot more horsepower.
20:43:17 <DataHoarder> even with 40kH/s that's an average of long term one block every 90 days found
20:43:37 <rooter0_> Ouch.
20:43:38 <DataHoarder> probably as luck varies up to 900 days in between or so
20:43:42 <DataHoarder> https://p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time?hashrate=40&magnitude=1000
20:44:29 <rooter0_> Idk what accounts for the vast diff between my rig and 45kH/s.
20:45:29 <rooter0_> ... on a similar CPU.
20:45:42 <DataHoarder> ram timings, hugepages, msr etc.
20:46:24 <rooter0_> Well it's just sitting there, and I need to warm the house, lol...
20:46:51 <DataHoarder> just use p2pool, it connects to the internet the same way monero will have to connect
20:47:15 <DataHoarder> but should see shares and payouts straight out every half a day or so it seems
20:47:29 <DataHoarder> or on mini https://mini.p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time?hashrate=40&magnitude=1000
20:47:38 <DataHoarder> shares more often but payouts every few days as blocks are found
20:47:55 <DataHoarder> payout is the wrong term but basically "rewarded share for everyone"
20:48:10 <rooter0_> I did confidence testing and found that hashrate drastically goes down from 25 threads, up.
20:48:46 <DataHoarder> it will allocate L3 memory and only use up that many threads
20:49:01 <DataHoarder> that seems like something to check and also manage your expectations
20:49:18 <DataHoarder> cause it seems not much research was done here as how it works :)
20:49:55 <rooter0_> https://i.imgur.com/ctpOEbl.jpeg
20:50:46 <DataHoarder> I can only recommend around using p2pool at least, but if you want to solo mine, I posted how you can use xmrig directly :)
20:51:16 <rooter0_> So my theory is staring multiple daemons at 5 threads each would get the highest hashrate.
20:52:14 <rooter0_> ... unless the limiting factor is L3 cache.
20:52:38 <rooter0_> In which case I should give up.
20:52:49 <DataHoarder> it is L3 cache
20:52:51 <DataHoarder> that is RandomX
20:53:09 <DataHoarder> one xmrig will pick the optimum usually
20:53:30 <DataHoarder> also look at ram timings on BIOS
20:53:43 <DataHoarder> you might be running on subpar stuff there (or default MHz)
20:54:09 <DataHoarder> https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/master/doc/design.md
20:54:19 <rooter0_> Will do.  But if xmrig chooses 25 threads...  wouldn't two be better?
20:54:30 <DataHoarder> no, cause then they step on each other
20:54:42 <DataHoarder> if it picks 25 threads it means there is not enough L3 cache for more
20:54:44 <rooter0_> I'm in a KVM VM.
20:55:03 <DataHoarder> make sure to enable hugepages on the hypervisor then
20:55:07 <DataHoarder> and also on the VM
20:55:12 <rooter0_> ... hugepages set in host and mounted in guest.
20:55:16 <DataHoarder> also enable NUMA awareness
20:55:24 <DataHoarder> mounted?
20:55:37 <rooter0_> RHEL /dev/hugepages
20:55:49 <DataHoarder> make sure cpu is also set to actual host cpu and not a generic kvm64 one
20:56:03 <rooter0_> ... automatically.  Although the daemon does not seem to recognize.
20:56:08 <DataHoarder> hmm, that smells like containers, not VM, but you do you 
20:56:18 <DataHoarder> if it's not recognizing it it means it's not proper
20:56:29 <DataHoarder> if it's a VM it works differently than "mounting"
20:56:39 <rooter0_> Def not containers, which I do not trust except for podman, which I do not use.
20:57:13 <rooter0_> # mount |grep huge
20:57:14 <rooter0_> hugetlbfs on /dev/hugepages type hugetlbfs (rw,relatime,seclabel,pagesize=1024M)
20:57:28 <DataHoarder> also
20:57:30 <DataHoarder> run > cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name'
20:57:32 <DataHoarder> on the VM
20:57:37 <DataHoarder> and see it matches the hypervisor one
20:58:05 <rooter0_> Passed through:  
20:58:07 <rooter0_> # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name'
20:58:09 <rooter0_> model name      : AMD EPYC 7542 32-Core Processor
20:58:10 <rooter0_> 50 times
20:58:13 <DataHoarder> yay
20:58:43 <DataHoarder> seems the question is not really the monero part but generic parts of the setup, but yeah read on design and why it will probably max out L3 cache on its own
20:59:12 <rooter0_> Understand.  Maybe it's hopeless.
20:59:13 <DataHoarder> and if the host is changing cores on the fly
20:59:21 <DataHoarder> that will also incur performance hits
20:59:27 <DataHoarder> so maybe pin cpu cores to the VM
20:59:37 <rooter0_> Everything on the host is pinned, incl to host.
21:01:22 <rooter0_> 25 cores pinned to this VM, and threads matched to cores so no context-switching or cache flushes.
21:03:03 <DataHoarder> and numa awareness?
21:04:15 <rooter0_> Haven't looked at that.  Only one NUMA node.
21:07:16 <DataHoarder> AMD EPYC have multiple numa nodes on their own
21:07:26 <DataHoarder> this is important for the memory layout
21:07:58 <DataHoarder> or you will hit limits between nodes
21:08:04 <rooter0_> Mobo is a server-grade Asrock ROMED6U-2L2.  I did the inquiry for NUMA and only got one node.
21:10:39 <rooter0_> On host:  https://paste.ec/paste/mQc9mP8b#iAHPXghEIk-kIKi8Tb3VYPoZL1HpV85+aGYEIkJ1gxe
21:11:38 <DataHoarder> heh, I have only worked with AMD cpus with multiple numa nodes :D
21:13:05 <rooter0_> That's Ok.  Maybe I'm screwed.
21:14:19 <DataHoarder> well, follow the links with some info
21:14:32 <rooter0_> Ty DataHoarder.
21:14:38 <DataHoarder> remember to check ram timings, maybe it can go higher than just 2900MHz
21:14:59 <rooter0_> That's something I haven't done yet.
22:46:09 <luna24[m]> <rooter0_> "That's something I haven't..." <- Check the stick directly 🤷🏻‍♂️
22:46:48 <luna24[m]> When I was fixing my girlfriends sisters pc her ram in bios was 2600 instead of 3000, and it was a prebuilt