00:32:13 <askiiart[m]> Can anyone help me with running p2pool mini? I keep getting this error: JSONRPCRequest uv_poll_start returned error EBADF
01:54:58 <DataHoarder> askiiart[m]: try #p2pool-mini on libera.chat, you should be able to find it on matrix I think
08:22:41 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://www.bitchute.com/video/3oNX9NjoIQ4o/
08:22:52 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://www.bitchute.com/video/sppcRLqkgbri/
08:23:48 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: why use majestic bank when eXch exists
08:24:15 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: Majest bank scammed people or never addressed and errors
08:25:36 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: eXch has proof of reserves no javascript requiremets and if you enter a refund address if not enough reserves to cover you they will refeund into that wallet
08:25:49 <dANBs[m]> s//*/, s//*/, s/refeund/refund/
08:26:02 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: ofrnxmr
08:27:45 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: thats what happened to me so always check before
08:27:55 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: but got refunded
08:27:57 <ceetee[m]> majestic has become a meme
08:28:13 <k4r4b3y[m]> <dANBs[m]> "HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https..." <- we need more monero propaganda videos like these
08:28:26 <ceetee[m]> ceetee[m]: ofrn knows
08:28:53 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: ceetee i have used them 2 to 4 times never had problem but this was way before the sus events
08:29:06 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: but eXch has proof so thats way better
08:29:31 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: k4r4b3y yeah these are great
08:29:32 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://www.bitchute.com/video/3oNX9NjoIQ4o/
08:29:32 <dANBs[m]> https://www.bitchute.com/video/sppcRLqkgbri/
08:30:17 <k4r4b3y[m]> we need to show that monero has its own thick red lines
08:30:53 <k4r4b3y[m]> and that it offers an EXIT out of the demon-system
08:31:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> dANBs[m]: majestic api shows reserves and majestic will say "we ran out!" 
08:31:11 <TrasherDK[m]> dANBs[m]: Proof by who?
08:31:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> btw, bestchange has reserves if swaps listed. obv sekf reported as some clsim to hold a LOT on monero
08:31:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> self reported. exch is junk though
08:32:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> will start trades when they DONT have reserves
08:32:27 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: want to just try the atomic swaps throught CLI
08:32:31 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://www.bitchute.com/video/cMGbfDmDniLa/
08:33:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> more than once my deposit ckeared, and then waited 15-20 blocks before they had enough to cash me out in xmr
08:33:55 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: yeah that happened before to me
08:35:23 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: eXch i always look at the clearnet before onion as the onion is behind and lots of people using it at once
08:35:24 <dANBs[m]> * the clearnet to see reserves before onion
08:36:25 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: k4r4b3y really want to see XMR payments not done over wifi like bluetooth LoRa
08:36:41 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: have heard its possible
08:36:59 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: that is very cool! I like the art style and the tone of it
08:38:02 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/bitcoin-monero-atomic-swaps/
08:39:23 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://locha.io/
08:41:35 <rbrunner> The Locha Mesh project is dead, as far as I know. The website still stands however, like a zombie, for years already
08:41:57 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: true
08:42:17 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: LoRa is a thing and is unregulated (for now in usa)
08:42:39 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://reticulum.network/
08:42:42 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: what is lora? I heard it was some AI model for monerochan mining?
08:42:43 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://github.com/markqvist/NomadNet
08:43:44 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://wikiless.org/wiki/LoRa
08:44:52 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: >physical proprietary radio communication technique
08:45:11 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: downside but most ham radios are i think
08:45:27 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: based wikiless user
08:46:00 <k4r4b3y[m]> thanks for the link, lora seems interesting
08:46:10 <hyc> LoRa is low power and low speed
08:46:20 <hyc> not much use for general networking
08:46:46 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: basically mesh network and can go far
08:49:22 <hyc> but mesh protocols would work with pretty much any radio tech. you could run them instead of 802.11 on wifi cards.
08:50:17 <ceetee[m]> <dANBs[m]> "HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: k4r4b3y..." <- Lora is way too slow for monero TX. The wallet needs to know recent other TX to construct the rings before it can broadcast anything, unlike BTC
08:50:31 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: u can use a SBC like pine64 and they even have a LoRaWAN kit
08:50:52 <ceetee[m]> WifiHalow is what you should be looking out for
08:51:08 <hyc> https://github.com/svpcom/wfb-ng
08:51:08 <monerobull[m]> Tf is that
08:51:51 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: ceetee what could be used that isn't wifi for monero?
08:52:36 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: nice hyc
08:52:45 <hyc> wifibroadcast - use a wifi card as a wide area transmitter
08:53:16 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: i take out all my wifi cards so maybe i could use them lol
08:53:39 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: may I ask why?
08:54:14 <hyc> maybe not directly applicable to this conv. it literally is broadcasting like a radio or tv station
08:54:23 <hyc> so it's only unidrectional comm
08:54:51 <ceetee[m]> WifiHalow is a new 1GHz WiFi standard, so it can archive 10x range at 1/10 datarate compared to WiFi. The huge advantage is that it uses a similar software back end, so you can reuse existing drivers with minimal change
08:54:56 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: Airgapped and only use wired but when i do have to use WiFi like public i use a wifi adapter
08:55:20 <ceetee[m]> hyc no that's fitting and very interesring
08:55:49 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: cool use case. That's one way to isolate wifi connectivity, I guess. I use QubesOS for that; it jails the networking hardware into a segregated virtual machine.
08:56:46 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: I use wired Etherent USB adapters as supossedly IntelME doesn't work or reconize wired eth only the onboard if it built into
08:56:53 <hyc> oh, I guess it actually is bidirectional https://docs.px4.io/main/en/tutorials/video_streaming_wifi_broadcast.html
08:57:11 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: Also nice on the Qubes gonna actually install that this week 4 first time lol
08:57:29 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: QubesOS rocks. Feel free to contact me if you need help.
08:57:47 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: WiFiHalow hmmm gonna look into this
08:58:16 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: I havent' heard about this. I use coreboot to neuter the Intel ME on my machine.
09:00:17 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: yeah I have a corebooted chromebook but doesn't have the MEcleaned and some machines u can't flash but many that don't support coreboot you can atleast run MECleaner i think
09:01:31 <k4r4b3y[m]> yeah, it sucks that one can only neuter/disable Intel ME on select few notebooks
09:02:03 <k4r4b3y[m]> my advice would be getting a second hand thinkpad x230 with i7 3rd Gen CPU
09:03:45 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: yeah gonna sell another machine and get a thinkpad hopefully
09:04:08 <k4r4b3y[m]> godspeed brother
09:04:37 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: thanks lol
09:06:28 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: hopefully some peeps could provide some guides or test on the non wifi monero payments (even if they slow) it would be cool to know about
09:12:55 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: once i get another SBC i would like to learn this stuff people above mentioned
09:13:35 <k4r4b3y[m]> what SBC models are you looking at currently?
09:13:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> I haven't been keeping up with the market. Is there a raspberry pi 5?
09:14:15 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: prob something from Pine64 cause they cheaper last checked and more in supply
09:14:20 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: may be wrong though
09:14:23 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: now
09:14:39 <k4r4b3y[m]> what about ASUS?
09:14:50 <k4r4b3y[m]> I have seen they have some RK3333 (?) chip models
09:15:20 <hyc> rockpro64, quartzpro64
09:15:37 <k4r4b3y[m]> quartzpro? that's new to me. I will check it
09:16:12 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: also btw
09:16:13 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: Intel AMT ports you should block on your WiFi router:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6967d0f560e7e1f0e2c124ac9241436934009fb6>)
09:16:49 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: I think TCP ucould block both TCP/UDP
09:16:55 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: I think TCP u could block both TCP/UDP to be sure
09:17:18 <k4r4b3y[m]> what do these ports do with intel AMT?
09:17:26 <k4r4b3y[m]> ping the glow-agencies?
09:17:57 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: supossedly that what it uses
09:18:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> My ISP keeps me behind a NAT. So, I have no way of opening ports anyways---thus, am I correct to assume those ports do nothing in this case?
09:19:41 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: well i would assume if its blocked on WiFi these would be blocked but idk as out of band is a thing too lol
09:19:46 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=eYz5WC1s7NU
09:23:27 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: lol idk if this cringe or not https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=8xLbMQBkWhw
09:23:29 <ceetee[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "I have seen they have some RK333..." <- RK3399, RockPi4 is the best value option with that. The RK3588 is even more powerful, but at that price point you also get used small form factor PCs, which might be better value
09:23:31 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: any take it easy folks
09:23:37 <dANBs[m]> s/any/anyway/
09:23:41 <dANBs[m]> HighQualityAgent[xmpp]: cya
09:23:47 <k4r4b3y[m]> ceetee[m]: good to know, thank.
09:24:12 <k4r4b3y[m]> dANBs[m]: crypto bear is never cringe
09:44:51 <k4r4b3y[m]> it is quite sad to see the ordinals on bitcoin pushing the on-chain fee rate above a dollar. yeah, they seem to be getting their "fee market" but at what cost? the fee market is being produced not by using btc as "money" but as NFT's, inscriptions, non-fungible collectibles... bitcoin-sisters, are we money yet?
09:46:57 <rbrunner> Well, before NFTs it was "not use as money, but speculation". Not sure which is worse.
09:48:10 <k4r4b3y[m]> at least before NFTs, the speculative usage would still allow 1sat/b transactions to enter into next few blocks.
09:48:28 <k4r4b3y[m]> now I have to pay tens of thousands of sats in order to get a "sane" block entry time.
09:49:07 <k4r4b3y[m]> and of course, I HODL and thus can never stomach giving tens of thousands of sats to the miners
09:49:59 <k4r4b3y[m]> so I sit on my ass with my beeteecee... revolution-bros, I..
10:48:11 <tajzx> hello
10:48:58 <tajzx> how monero protect chain from forks except checkpoints
10:50:10 <tajzx> or how to create checkpoints at height = current height - 60 blocks
10:57:53 <dANBs[m]> kittypity[xmpp]: > *k4r4b3y[m]:* at least before NFTs, the speculative usage would still allow 1sat/b transactions to enter into next few blocks.
10:57:53 <dANBs[m]> > 
10:57:53 <dANBs[m]> > *k4r4b3y[m]:* now I have to pay tens of thousands of sats in order to get a "sane" block entry time.
10:57:53 <dANBs[m]> Btc has had very persistent issue regarding the size of fees... for some reasone people use btc even though there are already better alternatives like Dash or monero or zcash
11:00:10 <k4r4b3y[m]> we need to shill monero as a better alternative to using btc
11:00:29 <k4r4b3y[m]> "shill. shill. shill. you were born to shill" --bitstein was right about this
11:03:15 <TrasherDK[m]> Spinning up yet another mainnet node :)... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d77a61ba428bb1c94dbdac555cad15a0783f15c7>)
11:03:41 <k4r4b3y[m]> holy pentium!
11:05:09 <k4r4b3y[m]> and the bitmaxis tell "well with monero's tx size and no-cap block size, the cost of hardware to run a node is too high!!!"
11:06:39 <dANBs[m]> kittypity[xmpp]: > for some reasone people use btc even though there are already better alternatives like Dash or monero or zcash
11:06:39 <dANBs[m]> For some reason = hype and lack of interest in learning what other cryptocurrencies there are
11:06:40 <TrasherDK[m]> I'll probably have to rsync against up-to-date node, because this thing is never going to catch up 😂
11:07:36 <TrasherDK[m]> Holy shit!... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/0c60a75a009b8231835ee30dc7b0335fe0c476ce>)
11:08:11 <TrasherDK[m]> Well, I tried.
11:45:39 <fr33_yourself[m]> <MajesticBank> "How & Why to Mine Monero, donate..." <- I would suggest it is better to use more fiat money to buy Monero. Everytime you exchange fiat for Monero you are adding an additional mini-boost to Monero's demand relative to its outstanding supply. By doing so it's price may rise. If it's price rises it suddenly may become profitable for honest miners to begin mining on their PCs
11:49:05 <dANBs[m]> kittypity[xmpp]: fr33_yourself[m]: so you are cryptocurrency market insider?
11:49:12 <fr33_yourself[m]> <spender> "my cell provider is blocking..." <- ^^^ This actually happened to you?
11:52:33 <fr33_yourself[m]> > <@bridgerton:matrix.org> <Encore> 
11:52:33 <fr33_yourself[m]> > https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1092159181097799861/image.png
11:52:33 <fr33_yourself[m]> LMAO. sounds like a beta who can't handle using the p2p network as friendly neighborhood cyber criminals
12:03:46 <fr33_yourself[m]> <rbrunner> "Seems the mordinals people..." <- The Empire Strikes Back
12:07:37 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "there is already discussion..." <- Under future adversarial circumstances, I think Monero may need to standardize outputs. Gotta slay the first villain first Mr. m0rb
15:11:50 <RavFX> Been a few days they did the update. And it's good, it lowered the amount of generated crap on the blockchain by a lot
15:12:19 <RavFX> People don't want to pay to post there shitty images, what a surprise :joy:
15:13:16 <RavFX> But I'm with ofrnxmr, fields must be standarized somehow
15:13:41 <RavFX> OR wait, that was Fr33 too lol
15:33:33 <rbrunner> That took me totally by surprise, who would have thought that out of all possible people the Mordinals devs would enforce order
15:34:19 <rbrunner> Waiting for their next move, with a bowl of popcorn waiting, as not a single new Mordinal made it into their viewer web app for days
15:36:00 <Rucknium[m]> It is almost fortunate that the monerod release with the tx_extra relay limitation was delayed. Otherwise, we may have conflated correlation and causation.
15:36:18 <rbrunner> True, lol
15:36:38 <Rucknium[m]> Let this be a lesson.
15:36:58 <Rucknium[m]> Causation is very difficult to establish.
15:37:40 <merope1> I'm just waiting for the day people stop talking about that crap
15:37:51 <merope1> Then it will be truly dead
15:39:00 <rbrunner> Just read today that the number of Ordinals on the BTC blockchain is approaching 1 million. It may take a while until *that* dies down.
15:39:57 <merope1> Luckily, we're not btc :D
15:40:30 <RavFX> You can really see how bad it is on Bitcoin, Blockchain size go brrrr
15:42:04 <RavFX[m]> Can really see how the bitcoin size chart flexed in early feb
15:42:49 <RavFX[m]> Just by a look at it, I would say it grow ~25% faster
15:43:29 <RavFX[m]> * grow ~25-50% faster
15:44:56 <Rucknium[m]> AFAIK, that's because more data is allowed in the witness part of a block. Ordinals are stored there.
15:45:56 <RavFX[m]> Rucknium[m]: Yes, It's what I read.
16:01:44 <tajzx> how monero is protected if someone delete blockchain file and start new one from the beginning
16:02:32 <RavFX> It will be deleted just for the person who deleted it.
16:02:50 <RavFX> new chain won't be used by any other nodes
16:03:57 <tajzx> if nodes are > than nodes that start new chain fork wont happen
16:04:07 <mlcboss[m]> hello , is it stupid to give my country origin? 
16:05:23 <RavFX> Just not recommended. You can say you're continent or something to give an idea without being precise.
16:07:02 <mlcboss[m]> anyone having a hard time to do trades in local monero?
16:07:02 <mlcboss[m]> open my offers for weeks seem no one intrested :/ 
16:07:02 <mlcboss[m]> ig monero isn't that popular
16:07:28 <RavFX> Depend of youre location
16:07:50 <RavFX> I can open more localmonero order during a day and having them completed in less than 10 minutes
16:08:41 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: SEA
16:08:49 <mlcboss[m]> SEA = South East Asia
16:09:12 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: payment method?
16:09:40 <RavFX> Cash at ATM (contact give you a code, you walk to random ATM and put said code, money flow out of atm)
16:10:09 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: what country?
16:10:23 <mlcboss[m]> i currently need to buy monero not sell them cause im not a miner
16:10:27 <RavFX> Latin america
16:10:58 <RavFX> To buy monero can just open a contract with someone that want a bank deposit. Then you can go in random convenient store to deposit money in said accound
16:10:59 <mlcboss[m]> is monero huge on there? 
16:11:38 <RavFX> Maybe, probably bigger than average
16:12:55 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: i can't buy monero with bank transfer cause no one accept them
16:12:55 <mlcboss[m]> most accept payment method i don't even heard 
16:13:35 <TheDisruptiveCol> > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> i can't buy monero with bank transfer cause no one accept them
16:13:35 <TheDisruptiveCol> > 
16:13:35 <TheDisruptiveCol> > most accept payment method i don't even heard
16:13:35 <TheDisruptiveCol> what country are you in?   
16:13:47 <RavFX> Do you have more contact on agoradesk size for BTC?
16:14:01 <RavFX> s/size/side/
16:14:55 <mlcboss[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: SEA , RAVFX said is not recommended to share my country
16:15:12 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: idk what is that
16:15:16 <TheDisruptiveCol> mlcboss[m]: Well i mean if you're buying meth i guess.  lol  
16:15:26 <mlcboss[m]> i just want to buy monero but my local exchange don't have them
16:15:55 <TheDisruptiveCol> mlcboss[m]: So buy something you can buy, and use something like wizardswap or even something shitty like Changelly or BasicSwap if you can run it.  
16:16:01 <RavFX> localmonero and agoradesk are own by the same and work the same. Agoradesk allow BTC and XMR trade while localmonero only do monero. You don't need a new account, you can login using youre localmonero account
16:16:26 <TheDisruptiveCol> s/or//
16:16:32 <RavFX> Unstoppable swap still work?
16:17:16 <TheDisruptiveCol> BasicSwap provides solutions for this.  Just buy BTC or something and Atomic flip it.  
16:17:17 <mlcboss[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: correct me if im wrong , isn't that will ruin monero privacy?
16:17:18 <mlcboss[m]> do i need to wash my bitcoin or no?
16:17:47 <TheDisruptiveCol> mlcboss[m]: I don't know what you're trying to achieve, or your threat model so i can't say neither can anyone else.  
16:17:56 <RavFX> Depend where you get you're BTC, if it's pre-vetted
16:18:38 <TheDisruptiveCol> BasicSwap is a truly DEX btw, Changelly isn't.    WizardSwap and MajesticBank are the same type of shit.    Just some guy hosting a swap script.  
16:18:55 <mlcboss[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: i want to buy mullvad 
16:19:27 <RavFX> Atomic scam was looking great when I was trying but people never got a contract completed and spread was ugly (Note: Tested it when it was fresh new beta, did not retry since them)
16:19:40 <RavFX> s/atomic swap/basicscap/
16:20:13 <TheDisruptiveCol> RavFX: BSX is just new, it needs more liquidity and for people to actually start using it.   
16:20:24 <mlcboss[m]> is monero mining worth it or no?
16:20:35 <mlcboss[m]> mining so i can get monero to buy mullvad
16:20:47 <RavFX> It's worth it when you get free and unlimited electricity
16:21:02 <TrasherDK[m]> Changelly is a wellknown scam exchange. Stop pushing that shit.
16:21:11 <RavFX> It's about on par depending where you are (if you want to convert electricity into monero)
16:21:25 <RavFX> use trocador for swapper
16:22:22 <TheDisruptiveCol> TrasherDK[m]: It pays, just the rates are shit.  same as change.io and all the rest of them, even MajesticBank and Wizard Swap have fucking horrendous exchange rates.  
16:22:24 <mlcboss[m]> i can't fing monero mining rig
16:22:28 <mlcboss[m]> only ethereum?
16:22:45 <mlcboss[m]> they will work the same right?
16:22:51 <RavFX> Because Monero mine with CPU, not GPU
16:22:54 <mlcboss[m]> it doesn't matter 
16:23:03 <RavFX> you can mine with you're very PC (performance can vary greatly)
16:23:12 <mlcboss[m]> https://www.amazon.com/Foyozisun-Ethereum-Complete-Motherboard-Cooling/dp/B09L7K7VNZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?keywords=Monero+Mining+Rig&qid=1680884468&sr=8-7
16:23:26 <mlcboss[m]> is this will work , there is monero logo on it?
16:23:29 <merope1> No
16:23:46 <merope1> Monero is mined with CPUs: xmrig.com/benchmark
16:24:08 <merope1> mlcboss[m]: Depends on your electricity cost and your expectations
16:24:47 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: i don't mind losing some money for electricity
16:24:47 <mlcboss[m]> i just need monero coin to buy mullvad 
16:25:10 <mlcboss[m]> merope1: 5$/mo , how much the rig will cost to produce that?
16:25:13 <RavFX> what is you're cpu?
16:25:53 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: i don't have a desktop , the cpu it intel 8th gen 
16:25:53 <mlcboss[m]> very crap + i don't want to mine on my personal computera
16:26:32 <RavFX> Then get a 16 cores ryzen
16:27:21 <TrasherDK[m]> <TheDisruptiveCol> "It pays, just the rates are shit..." <- https://www.reddit.com/r/monero/wiki/avoid/#wiki_exchanges
16:27:29 <mlcboss[m]> merope1: everyone sell gpu rig?
16:27:29 <mlcboss[m]> i search monero mining rig on google most of them are gpu's rig?
16:27:43 <RavFX> and two stick of dual rank DDR4 3200+, CL14 or last choice CL16
16:28:12 <merope1> > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> everyone sell gpu rig?
16:28:12 <merope1> > 
16:28:12 <merope1> > i search monero mining rig on google most of them are gpu's rig?
16:28:12 <merope1> Monero was mined with gpus before November 2021. After that, it pretty much became cpu only
16:28:22 <mlcboss[m]> is there a prebuilt rig? i can't build computers from scratch
16:28:28 <mlcboss[m]> *someone selling
16:28:56 <merope1> (Technically you could still use a gpu, but they are horribly inefficient with the new algorithm, you will be losing a lot of money and nobody does it)
16:29:00 <mlcboss[m]> can't find on amazon ,most sell gpu rigs
16:29:33 <RavFX> Buy a prebuild PC with a 16 cores Ryzen CPU and proper ram (unfortunately that mostly limit you to gaming PC)
16:29:36 <merope1> mlcboss[m]: Get a prebuilt desktop with a ryzen cpu then
16:29:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> everyone sell gpu rig?
16:29:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> > 
16:29:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> > i search monero mining rig on google most of them are gpu's rig?
16:29:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> you can't mine XMR with a GPU 
16:29:44 <merope1> But building a pc is very easy to build these days
16:30:11 <TheDisruptiveCol> If you're gonna mine XMR, just buy a threadripper pro 
16:30:11 <mlcboss[m]> RavFX: thanks for the tips , i will go to local store to made one
16:30:20 <TheDisruptiveCol> and 128GB of Ram.  
16:30:20 <TheDisruptiveCol> lol 
16:30:21 <merope1> TheDisruptiveCol: Technically, you can. It's just a complete waste of time due to the terrible performance
16:30:31 <mlcboss[m]> ram is no necessary right?
16:30:54 <RavFX> you want 2 x 16 gb of dual rank sticks DDR3200+, CL14 is a must
16:31:13 <TheDisruptiveCol> mlcboss[m]: More Ram is always a win.  
16:31:15 <merope1> TheDisruptiveCol: Not for mining
16:31:26 <merope1> Stop giving bad info
16:31:29 <RavFX> 2 x 8GB work too but you are going to get less performance if it's not dual rank (most if not all 8GB stick are not dual ranks)
16:31:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> merope1: its not bad info, put your tampon back in.  
16:31:47 <TheDisruptiveCol> which would you buy a threadripper and then use 8gb of RAM.   
16:31:56 <TheDisruptiveCol> its just retarded 
16:32:16 <mlcboss[m]> btw is it safe to use a prebuilt pc that aren't built for mining?
16:32:16 <mlcboss[m]> cause it will be left mining 24/7
16:32:26 <TheDisruptiveCol> If you're spending $6000 on a CPU, you can stretch to 64GB min.  
16:32:50 <merope1> Sure you can. It's just a complete waste and won't get you any extra performance
16:33:58 <RavFX> if you get 64 GB in the form of 2 x 32GB it's fine as long as they are dual rank and not these weird quad rank sticks). 4 x 16GB stick, they have to be single rank or you are going to lose performances.
16:34:02 <merope1> And threadripper has a pretty low hash/$ value, compared to multiple ryzens for the same budget
16:34:14 <RavFX> so for 64GB if you don't build it yourself you are likely to get less performance
16:34:53 <merope1> > 
16:34:53 <merope1> > cause it will be left mining 24/7
16:34:53 <merope1> Yes, as long as you check that it's not overheating. A good ballpark is to keep the cpu around 70°C, though as long as you stay under 80°C is fine if you keep an eye on it
16:35:43 <merope1> Btw, join #xmrmine:matrix.org for dedicated mining info
16:36:36 <mlcboss[m]> cpu recommendations for mining monero?
16:36:36 <mlcboss[m]> atleast needed 15,000 H/s according to miner stat i can earn 11$/mo with 0.1$/kwh 
16:37:24 <RavFX> My old Ryzen 3950x do 19K
16:37:41 <merope1> <merope1> "Monero is mined with CPUs: xmrig..." <- ^
16:37:41 <RavFX> but memory is optimized, else it do like 16-17
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16:38:11 <TheDisruptiveCol> in the cloud for free lol  
16:39:57 <Rucknium[m]> mlcboss: If you have skills, you could earn XMR instead: https://bounties.monero.social/
16:41:41 <mlcboss[m]> merope1: pretty detailed list , im thinking getting amd ryzen 9 (3k/5k/13k) depends the store availability 
16:41:41 <mlcboss[m]> btw correct me if im wrong , if more miner joined the network my cpu will produce less hashrate
16:41:41 <mlcboss[m]> less hashrate = lesser rewards?
16:42:26 <merope1> your cpu will produce the same hashrate, but the network difficulty goes up so your hashrate earns less
16:42:49 <merope1> you can think of it like more people sharing the same pie
17:11:09 <MajesticBank> TheDisruptiveCol: tnx for the review tho, majesticbank is all but a simple script, as our service compose of 10+ bare metal dedicated servers, just the hosting cost is around 10k usd monthly
17:11:54 <TheDisruptiveCol> MajesticBank: lol ok but is it a DEX? 
17:12:24 <MajesticBank> got in touch with binarybaron from Unstoppableswap tho, will setup our swap in 3-4 days to help the protocol until farcaster team is back from vacation
17:13:20 <TheDisruptiveCol> MajesticBank: i'm not shitting on your service btw, MJ and WS provide a valuable option for many who don't know how to use a DEX like BSX or have any localmonero options 
17:15:03 <MajesticBank> in the background, there are independent nodes, distributed that verify each other work and sign transactions, the way you access it could be say it is centralized, there are some trade offs, I don't see how 
17:15:31 <MajesticBank> how some things like privacy can be implemented without exchange based monero fully
17:16:23 <MajesticBank> if the seller send you bitcoin or eth for swap ( talking about p2p mode ) he can track you, so you have to trust the sellers
17:21:21 <MajesticBank> I am haveno shill tho, if any part of haveno profits hit the general fund, we are lit
17:35:18 <lza_menace> those are fancy marketing terms, but TheDisruptiveCol is still right, it's a script...people send funds to your custodial wallets, you do some business logic, and determine if/when when to send funds to other side
17:36:23 <lza_menace> how you choose to host it and how much it costs doesn't matter to your end user and doesn't add safety values
17:36:53 <MajesticBank> script describe it as something simple, custodial and centralized yes it is, but script it's not, maybe software ?
17:37:06 <MajesticBank> well don't agree on privacy and safety values tho
17:38:45 <MajesticBank> if you are running your service on USA vps and location of your server is known, what privacy can you promise over customer data
17:39:53 <lza_menace> script, software, programmatic workflow, automated business logic, etc...all the same under the hood
17:41:11 <lza_menace> i think that's the point, anyone can promise anything. i can run a VPS with a provider in another country and promise my users the safest custodial service, but i cannot truly guarantee safety and security
17:48:16 <MajesticBank> I must agree on some points, no doubt, boils down to trusting someone
17:48:31 <MajesticBank> I give my best to protect every bit of data, we spend most of the time on devops, following latest security standards, isolation, containers
17:54:10 <lza_menace> right on
18:10:14 <k4r4b3y[m]> <MajesticBank> "I am haveno shill tho, if any..." <- is haveno still alive?
18:10:46 <RavFX> Yes, Still waiting for it to be released
18:11:23 <k4r4b3y[m]> is the UI work still chugging along, or are they still on a strike?
18:11:51 <plowsof11> on strike - it will launch with the legacy UI
18:11:53 <k4r4b3y[m]> RavFX: guessing they don't have an ETA, right?
18:12:01 <RavFX> Good question. The beta I tested did use a tweaked Bisq UI
18:12:12 <k4r4b3y[m]> plowsof11: ffs... still better than nothing, I guess.
18:12:15 <RavFX> ETA was end of march if I remember
18:12:35 <k4r4b3y[m]> RavFX: lol
18:12:38 <plowsof11> give htem 5 years, stop rushing people 
18:13:11 <plowsof11> at the moment its literally 1 person woodser doing almost everything 
18:13:16 <k4r4b3y[m]> plowsof11: "it is ready when it is ready"
18:13:50 <k4r4b3y[m]> plowsof11: cake's code munkeys not helping?
18:14:38 <plowsof11> im not going to reveal that i am the cake ceo using an alt account in public 
18:15:09 <k4r4b3y[m]> change the monero.com wallets name for god's sakes..
18:15:15 <k4r4b3y[m]> horrible horrible name for a wallet
18:16:03 <k4r4b3y[m]> akin to naming one's self kim dot com
18:18:10 <plowsof11> stack wallets "monero and bitcoin" wallet is called Stack Duo 
18:20:21 <plowsof11> also Havenos commit history to see who is doing what https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/commits/master 
18:34:39 <luna24[m]> <TheDisruptiveCol> "i'm not shitting on your service..." <- True, I just bought some matic at a coinstar though so 😂
18:34:58 <luna24[m]> No KYC needed, just a phone number for a security code on the machine
18:35:29 <luna24[m]> So just buy a coin like that, and swap it on uni or pancake 🤷🏻‍♂️
18:57:31 <TheDisruptiveCol> <luna24[m]> "True, I just bought some matic..." <- a lot of people would prefer to go that way from cash to coin anyway.   
18:57:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> even with localmonero you need a bank account, some people might not have one.   
18:57:56 <luna24[m]> Yeh no 100%
19:05:08 <RavFX> I don't have one :p Fortunately I don't need one for localmonero use
19:06:38 <RavFX> free countries have way to go around bank requirement (Withdraw code without card at ATM, deposit in banks account from random convenient stores, etc, etc)
19:07:54 <RavFX> Can buy shit from aliexpress on amazon by paying at a random convenient store too, what's the use of a bank account at that point?
19:08:04 <RavFX> s/on/or/
19:09:50 <great_taste> I bet you have very low limits?
19:10:08 <luna24[m]> RavFX: Pretty much I only use mine for savings account and digital purchases/bills 
19:10:50 <RavFX> Can withdraw like ~500$ equivalent in USD per ATM run indeed, so if you want more you open more contract with more people
19:10:56 <luna24[m]> I just started a new job so I’m just gonna be splitting my money up into crypto, savings, and fuck around funds
19:11:02 <RavFX> Also pay bills at the convenient store lol
19:11:12 <luna24[m]> True
19:11:36 <luna24[m]> Y’all hear the USA is moving towards a centralized digital currency to replace the USD?
19:12:14 <RavFX> Yes, fortunally not living there lol
19:12:26 <great_taste> 1st world countries are the worst place to be
19:12:49 <RavFX> Exactly, It's why I left my initial "first world country"
19:13:53 <RavFX> First world countries are the one that also want all the control and tracking
19:13:58 <luna24[m]> True
19:14:04 <RavFX> Because they can afford it and enforce it
19:14:14 <luna24[m]> USA is a third country with a trench coat atm tryna be a first world
19:14:26 <luna24[m]> Third world*
19:14:41 <RavFX> USA is a failing empire, they try to stay afloat
19:15:09 <RavFX> No empire stay at the top forever, they all fall given enough time
19:15:14 <luna24[m]> Like people here use crypto as day traders, where Africa and parts of the EU use it as a day to day currency
19:15:18 <luna24[m]> It’s kinda scuffed tbh
19:15:22 <great_taste> USA has become a complete joke, their president is a perfect representation of their state of decay
19:15:36 <luna24[m]> The president doesn’t even have power anymore
19:15:43 <luna24[m]> They are legit just puppets
19:15:53 <RavFX> yep.
19:16:02 <great_taste> puppets to the Israeli state
19:16:07 <luna24[m]> Elections don’t matter, they give a false sense of democracy in a country that isn’t even a democracy
19:16:29 <RavFX> But they tried to sell democracy to africa lol
19:16:33 <luna24[m]> Like the populous doesn’t even realize we are a democratic republic 💀
19:17:00 <luna24[m]> The only issue with Africa is the instability in certain regions caused by US intervention like South Africa
19:17:07 <luna24[m]> Same with most of the Middle East
19:17:37 <RavFX> Yep, Latin America is actually better when you use crypto as day to day money (ask me how I know)
19:17:56 <luna24[m]> Everyone growing up here thought the US were Jedi’s but failed to see it was the empire all along
19:18:04 <RavFX> Network Infrastructure is better, that also go for network stability if you are a day trader
19:18:05 <luna24[m]> RavFX: Brasil? 
19:18:11 <luna24[m]> True
19:18:15 <great_taste> what is a good debit card you can fund with crypto these days?
19:18:25 <luna24[m]> Cl from ledger
19:18:55 <luna24[m]> It’s a debit though but it uses stable coins, btc and eth
19:19:05 <great_taste> hmm
19:19:23 <luna24[m]> No need for a bank account or anything afaik, just 100$ in coins in your wallets on ledger
19:19:49 <luna24[m]> Which I mean if your privacy focused like most of monero users, you should have a ledger for coke storage anyways
19:19:51 <luna24[m]> Cold*
19:19:52 <RavFX> But the ledger card is very limited in what country you can be when you order it right?
19:20:00 <luna24[m]> Nope
19:20:03 <luna24[m]> Not that I’m aware anyway
19:20:12 <luna24[m]> It has both a physical and digital so
19:20:19 <RavFX> We use to have nice prepaid CC back in ~2017 then most provider decided to scam
19:20:22 <luna24[m]> And runs off visa afaik
19:20:36 <RavFX> now it eater "Only in USA" or "Only in europe"
19:20:46 <luna24[m]> Could be Mastercard though
19:20:57 <luna24[m]> Idk,
19:21:26 <luna24[m]> With cl  it costs like 5$ for the physical card or you can just use the digital one
19:21:38 <great_taste> "The CL Card powered by Ledger and provided by Baanx is currently available to UK and EEA* customers."
19:22:36 <luna24[m]> Imo I’d just spend the extra money for the physical
19:23:41 <RavFX> Can't even subscribe to CL, the thing is borked lol
19:24:11 <RavFX> "Require at least one special caracter"... I did put a 64 caracters password that probably include a douzen of these lol
19:25:21 <RavFX> Thanks for leting me know so I don't give info for no reason... So as expected EU & EX-EU
19:26:03 <RavFX> Fortunately I don't need card as cash is still king
19:26:52 <great_taste> how do you pay for things online tho?
19:27:17 <great_taste> it's so frustrating that to this date most places will only accept visa/mastercard....
19:27:26 <RavFX> I choose "Cash" payment method. They give me a code, I go to random convenient store, give them the code then the pile of cash
19:27:38 <RavFX> it work for Amazon and Aliexpress, like the two place I buy online
19:28:08 <RavFX> And for Amazon.com (us version), one can go on coincards and buy giftcards to finance the amazon account
19:29:28 <RavFX> Stuff like Steam, can pay cash also, or just go to bitrefill
19:31:09 <luna24[m]> True
19:31:14 <luna24[m]> Prepared cards or gift cards
19:31:54 <RavFX> In the "first world", prepaid cards is the only way. In what they call "thirld world", you can also use cash.. way better lol
19:40:47 <RavFX> For USA there is Cakepay that seam to be decent
19:41:43 <RavFX> I think to do 0 conf so you can get the giftcard for the exact required amount at the register without making everyone behind wait
19:43:06 <d34d8its[m]> Avoid mybitcoingiftcards and prepaidify, they both scammed me and others.
19:43:41 <d34d8its[m]> Ive had good results with cakepay, coinsbee, allark, and coinsgate.
19:43:56 <RavFX> coincards.com, allark is what I usually recommend
20:06:16 <luna24[m]> Noice
20:16:22 <luna24[m]> So I’m thinking of writing my own block chain, I think I want start as a fork of the polkadot network btw not sure cuz I want to make a privacy centric version of it
20:16:56 <luna24[m]> Any recommendations on articles and information for where I can find out how to get started et.?
20:16:56 <luna24[m]> Etc*
20:20:03 <RavFX> I made one like 10 years ago. Googling "How to clone litecoin" gave all the answers
20:30:42 <luna24[m]> Makes sense haha
20:37:42 <RavFX> You can also look at coin that forked from another one. In there git you can often see the comit on where they forked, and so all the changes.You also need to do some work for making the genesis block
21:22:17 <luna24[m]> Wdym genesis block?
21:22:24 <luna24[m]> Like the first block I’m assuming?
21:26:32 <RavFX> Yeah, you have to mine it then hardcode it's hash into the code as far as I remember
21:44:11 <mlcboss[m]> <RavFX> "free countries have way to go..." <- i believed all countries does this?
21:44:11 <mlcboss[m]> what happened to the unbanked if this can't happened?
21:56:03 <RavFX[m]> > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> i believed all countries does this?
21:56:03 <RavFX[m]> > 
21:56:03 <RavFX[m]> > what happened to the unbanked if this can't happened?
21:56:03 <RavFX[m]> You can only be unbanked in free countries (that exclude all of the "first world"
21:56:50 <RavFX[m]> In the "first world: you have to be KYCed to own anything and you have to be banked
21:58:24 <RavFX> Try to get a flat in the first world as an unbanked for fun
21:59:14 <RavFX> You can't because they all want credit check so it's not free if you are not free to live a confortable life without having to buy into the ponzi
22:01:24 <RavFX> While in the "second/third world", to get a flat, all you need is some advance in cash, no question asked, and often, no "contracts"
22:16:43 <luna24[m]> <RavFX> "Yeah, you have to mine it then..." <- Oo, sounds fun, idk what I want the concerns us to be, I feel PoW would be more wildly adapted and get a following behind over PoS/PoH
22:18:09 <RavFX> PoW if more fair imo. You can't jut buy 51% of the supply in one go...
22:41:42 <luna24[m]> Yeh no that’s what I was thinking
22:42:36 <luna24[m]> Granted PoH is also a good choice though,
22:43:33 <luna24[m]> PoS does offer scalability
22:44:12 <mlcboss[m]> how is PoS more scalable than PoW?
22:44:12 <mlcboss[m]> is just a different way to validate a block
22:46:20 <merope1> Some argue that PoS is a less resource-intensive system
22:46:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Nah
22:46:51 <merope1> The problem is that, even if that were true, it still breaks decentralization
22:47:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Having no mining saves the world Apprently
22:48:26 <merope1> PoS means that you cannot enter the ecosystem unless you buy your way into it. But for the seller, selling those coins means giving away some of their staking power
22:49:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Wonder whats going to happen with eth and the “upgrade”
22:49:39 <merope1> So the rich and powerful have a strong incentive to hoard all the coins and not sell them, to stay rich and powerful, while the "poor" people keep their power fragmented
22:50:34 <merope1> It already happened. Shortly after the switch, there were some reports that things got extremely centralized, way worse than they were with PoW
22:52:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Shanghai upgrade?
22:54:04 <merope1> https://cointelegraph.com/news/40-ethereum-pos-nodes-are-controlled-by-two-addresses-says-santiment-data
22:54:29 <merope1> Not sure which one that was, I don't follow eth that closely
22:55:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> There is one thats coming up which allows staking to be withdraw
22:56:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/03/16/ethereums-shanghai-hard-fork-now-has-an-official-target-date/
22:58:03 <merope1> Wait, so all the people who have been staking so far were stuck with it and couldn't even pull out?
22:58:16 <merope1> LMAO
22:58:46 <merope1> "Some validators have had their funds locked up since December 2020" Holy shit
22:59:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah lol
23:01:55 <merope1> Another day, another reason to love Monero's double-hardfork system
23:03:05 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Proof of scam
23:03:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Or piece of shit
23:08:41 <luna24[m]> <merope1> "Wait, so all the people who have..." <- You can “stake” using lido, but it costs an arbitrary amount of gas to “unstake” 
23:09:23 <merope1> Thus reinforcing centralization
23:09:25 <luna24[m]> Which all lido does is turn eth into staked eth which is a token pegged to the value of eth, and then give rewards in staked eth and swap it back to eth when you “unstake”
23:09:27 <luna24[m]> It’s shit
23:10:25 <luna24[m]> Idk how eth is as popular as it is tbh with how expensive it is to do legit ANYTHING on the network
23:11:37 <merope1> Maybe that's the key
23:11:53 <merope1> Make everything expensive af to sucker people into pouring even more money into it
23:12:25 <merope1> Like they do for "luxury" items irl
23:12:35 <merope1> Vote to raise xmr tx fees to 1 xmr/byte
23:13:16 <luna24[m]> Make it .5xmr lol
23:14:30 <luna24[m]> merope1: Not wrong, even my math professor last semester owned eth and had no idea about anything about it, just owned it cuz she heard it was a good short term hold 
23:15:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> your math prifessor needs a new job
23:15:52 <nioc> eth enables the easy creation of tokens that then do not need to be listed on an exchange in order to buy and sell them
23:15:56 <merope1> One that doesn't involve math
23:16:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> 100% premine. math nit prifessir strong point
23:16:45 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: math equation >> ngu = good
23:16:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> eth is a bigger scam than zcash who is following in foorsteps, but with only 20% of supply
23:16:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Securities
23:17:20 <luna24[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Didn’t zec sue another coin for some shit 😂
23:17:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: only worjs when eth is cheap
23:17:37 <orion_midast[m]> Do I need a degree in life ? 
23:17:50 <orion_midast[m]> wrong chat sorry lol
23:17:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> otherwise you use xmr fir your nfts
23:18:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I’ll hide eth in tx_extra
23:18:20 <luna24[m]> nioc: Only when it’s cheap, otherwise you get stuck in situations like I am where your matic gets stored in eth instead of polygon and it costs 30$ to move it over 
23:18:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> or solana, oolygon, 18 node bnb
23:18:47 <nioc> what is cheap?  
23:19:03 <luna24[m]> Solana, matic, polkadot,
23:19:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmr
23:19:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> solana
23:19:10 <luna24[m]> Polkadot is cheap af
23:19:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Imagine stopping blockchain cause it got hacked
23:19:45 <luna24[m]> Def a cool network too, it’s pretty much a bridge for majority of blockchains that stuff like uniswap utilize
23:19:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> eth is just "pump the 70% premine"
23:19:50 <nioc> at one time $800 btc was very expensive
23:19:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> by "artificially restructing supply fir years"
23:19:58 <luna24[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Was about to say that 
23:20:30 <luna24[m]> Solana is I think the only block chain in history that’s legit just stopped entirely
23:20:39 <luna24[m]> Plus it’s written in rust which is just disgusting
23:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> nah
23:20:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Twice i think
23:20:48 <nioc> <ofrnxmr[m]> xmr  <<>> wownero
23:20:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> haven?
23:20:52 <luna24[m]> Was it twice 😂😂
23:20:57 <nioc> an invitation to shill  :D
23:21:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: 1000
23:21:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> haven termux node coming soon
23:21:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> eta 2yrs
23:21:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: errrrr i mean WOW
23:21:30 <plowsof11> eth tx fees are so high so im jut going to leave it on an exchange where other people can long/short with it 
23:21:32 <luna24[m]> Isn’t wownero just a token on monero?
23:21:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> no
23:21:47 <luna24[m]> plowsof11: Pancake swap 😏
23:21:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> monero diesbt have tokens
23:21:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> monero is money
23:22:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> not gas
23:22:05 <luna24[m]> Isn’t xmr technically a token 💀
23:22:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> World of warcraft
23:22:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> no
23:22:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmr usnt a token
23:22:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> luna24[m]: Way of life
23:22:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0xmonero is a token
23:22:32 <luna24[m]> Nah, WoW is life
23:22:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> apepoo is a token
23:22:51 <nioc> lol
23:24:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> tokens are trc ErC evm copy paste 2 secind deploynenrts on somone elses blockchain 
23:24:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> eth isnt a token
23:24:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> "everything" built on eth is
23:24:47 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Network
23:24:54 <nioc> disclaimer:  I am an ai trained on a limited dataset 
23:24:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> *eth is a traitor
23:26:26 <TheDisruptiveCol> ETH is a bankers chain, along with XRPL and a few others that fall into that ISO200022 crowd.  
23:27:16 <TheDisruptiveCol> s/ISO200022/ISO20022/
23:27:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> eth isnt a banker chain
23:28:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> its an obvious joke
23:28:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> its a pump and rug pull
23:28:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> rob the "smart" prifessor, and the kids they teach
23:30:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> the tokenomics if etc are a joke. theres nothing abiut eth that says "viable as a dectralized anything". its just a wiid west where white collar criminals are allowed to rob lottery ticket buyers
23:30:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> eth doesnt work
23:30:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> in theory, its amazing. in practice, its a nikola car
23:30:47 <luna24[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Fr fr
23:31:14 <plowsof11> how is monero technically a token 💢kskskskks
23:31:14 <luna24[m]> My mom doesn’t even know anything about crypto and I showed her a video from whiteboard crypto about it and she was like “how tf is it still popular?”
23:31:50 <luna24[m]> plowsof11: Coin on a network that also is responsible for governance of the network lol 
23:32:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> so when people come iver here asking for web3.5 nonsense, i say... when it works on some east yo use POC joke chain, we can talk. fact us, it diesnt work
23:32:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> look at thorchain, dydx, nfts, uniswap
23:32:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Plowsof is a token, dan is a network
23:33:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> luna24[m]: the coin plays no role in givernance 
23:33:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> im rich af and nobody listens to me
23:33:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr is the alt
23:33:43 <plowsof11> luna24: show your mother this video, it will help her alot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZK5WLU2lGQ 
23:33:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> thats ofrnxnr ^
23:34:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> i go to jail in the movie
23:34:52 <luna24[m]> 😂
23:35:05 <plowsof11> why are you laughing?
23:35:08 <nioc> plowsof11: >> #monero-parody 
23:35:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> its serious
23:35:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You using tails now in jail?
23:35:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> luna
23:35:21 <plowsof11> nioc lolollol
23:35:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> i usually cgarge 1000/min
23:35:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> thus us my resune
23:35:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsif thinks im asking fir too much
23:36:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> so i iffer 400/min fir 10 mins worth of videis
23:36:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> yo. i miss autocirrect
23:36:47 <DanIsnotthemanBr> *
23:36:49 <nioc> I miss proof reading 
23:36:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> im jk
23:36:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> i just have an accent
23:37:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Prove your reading
23:37:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> i cant read -_-
23:37:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> i just press text dictation
23:37:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> and let it read it back
23:38:39 <luna24[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yes?
23:38:52 <luna24[m]> plowsof11: My messages are just hella delayed 
23:39:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> the video abive, faur deal yes?
23:39:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> fair
23:39:18 <luna24[m]> I’ll watch it later to give a fair answer lol
23:39:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> ok ty
23:39:47 <luna24[m]> Why tf is my zec message constantly coming back when I close the app and reopen it
23:39:52 <luna24[m]> I think I broke element
23:40:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> zec broke element
23:40:14 <luna24[m]> Zec breaks everything
23:40:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> laggy blockchain
23:40:25 <luna24[m]> Fr fr
23:48:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Element broke element
23:48:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Clear cache