04:14:00 <politicalweasel[> I just noticed that a lot of txns on xmrchain.net have their sizes listed in kilobytes... with 4 decimal places?? precision down to 0.1 bytes. Is this some KiB vs KB conversion thing?
04:21:18 <plowsof11> 1 bit is 0.125 bytes
04:25:03 <plowsof11> today i learned: 1 KiB = 2^10 bytes = 1024 bytes 1 KiB , 1 KB = 10^3 bytes = 1000 bytes
05:01:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 8bits is 1byte
05:55:11 <xmrfn[m]> 8x10^27 bits is one [brontobyte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_prefix)
05:56:16 <xmrfn[m]>  * 80x10^27 bits (10^27 bytes) is one [brontobyte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_prefix)
06:14:25 <politicalweasel[> I don't think Monero transactions are serialized into individual bits though. Every system that I'm aware of uses bytes, "padding" when necessary (ie 1 bit boolean -> 1 byte)
06:28:29 <hbs[m]> <plowsof11> "today i learned: 1 KiB = 2^10..." <- The return of the kibibyte
09:11:09 <foxski369ski[m]> Hey guys, as far as assets go... Monero isn't corpo commie money so if the stockmarket crashes or the currencies, we don't really give a fuck right? Xmr to 25k
09:12:35 <foxski369ski[m]> Yup just got it on a pixel 6 pro 
09:12:35 <foxski369ski[m]> Nice and clean, I'm happy with all the options, it's slim, u know you got the fuckin coolest phone in the mall ;)
09:14:50 <modul8[m]> Distrowatch has monero donation address at the bottom of their pages 🐧 
09:22:40 <k4r4b3y[m]> > <@foxski369ski:matrix.org> Yup just got it on a pixel 6 pro 
09:22:41 <k4r4b3y[m]> > Nice and clean, I'm happy with all the options, it's slim, u know you got the fuckin coolest phone in the mall ;)
09:22:41 <k4r4b3y[m]> good. now install calyxos on it.
09:27:38 <k4r4b3y[m]> Is feather wallet's matrix room still #feather:monero.social ?
09:28:16 <k4r4b3y[m]> it is like a ghost town in there; a month of no messages, and 106 ppl left the room...
09:29:32 <k4r4b3y[m]> * 106 ppl has left the
09:39:30 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Wait till you see monero hardware room
10:30:47 <tired_turtle[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "it is like a ghost town in there..." <- You're a bad liar 🤣
11:22:09 <susman1[m]> i mean its not super active
11:32:12 <plowsof11> feathers room is active, i assume history is not viewable to new members. people report issues / feature requests there / progress updates are posted. generally the wait time for a response is greater than the 3 minutes you waited. https://featherwallet.org/changelog/ seems active. by telling the group that feather room is dead (not the first time you spread false / not well researched info) - you are messing with a the developers reputation
11:32:12 <plowsof11> as it is part of their job (as a CCS funded project) to provide updates in that channel etc. warning for k4r4b3y  
11:40:01 <gingeropolous> i wonder if making a nice packaged VM+monero piece of software would be helpful to windows users
11:47:03 <k4r4b3y[m]> <plowsof11> "feathers room is active, i..." <- dude I was just asking if the room was active or have they migrated to another matrix room
11:47:50 <k4r4b3y[m]> what is this conspiratorial thinking and seeking malice in (almost) every query I ask
11:48:51 <k4r4b3y[m]> you mention "spread false /not well researched" info in my part: but I was trying to research info, with my query about the feather wallet's room. How should I have asked whether the room was stil being used or migrated to some other address? Enlighten me.
11:49:53 <k4r4b3y[m]> > you are messing with the developers' reputation
11:50:14 <k4r4b3y[m]> that would be the least of my intent. I am a quite happy feather wallet user and I appreciate their software
12:20:25 <kevino[m]> <gingeropolous> "i wonder if making a nice..." <- i had a doubt regarding this....suppose if the host machine (windows) get compromised ,how much benefit would it have to keep xmr wallet in a vm inside such host.
12:24:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Run qubes os if you want isolated vms
12:26:10 <kevino[m]> qubes os in a vm ? or on bare metal ?
12:26:40 <plowsof11> k4r4b3y: you already know about my plot to discredit you by making it seem like you're spreading fud, so just dont make it easy for me - maybe wait > 3 minutes and dont leave a "you're a liar" reply to your statement on read for 1hour+
12:26:43 <kevino[m]> maybe dual boot , but it would be too much , only for using xmr wallet
12:41:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Qubes OS runs os in isolated vms(qubes)
12:42:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.qubes-os.org/intro/
13:02:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "k4r4b3y: you already know..." <- IVE FINALLY FIGURED OUT PLOWSOF AGENDA 
13:03:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> <kevino[m]> "maybe dual boot , but it would..." <- Dual boot. Copy files from windows to linux. Then delete windows
13:04:40 <kevino[m]> i need windows guys
13:05:14 <kevino[m]> i was able to switch to linux fully , i wouldn't have asked about keeping windows secure
13:05:29 <kevino[m]> * i was able to switch to linux fully , i wouldn't have asked about keeping wallet secure.
13:15:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <ofrnxmr[m]> "IVE FINALLY FIGURED OUT PLOWSOF..." <- Sus
13:15:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You can run windows in a qubes vm and linux in another
13:16:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> <kevino[m]> "i need windows guys" <- How do you know
13:16:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> its like saying "i need my only pair of holey socks" when otw to walme
13:16:39 <kevino[m]> * if was able to switch to linux fully , i wouldn't have asked about keeping wallet secure.
13:16:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> art to buy socks 
13:16:42 <kevino[m]> * if i was able to switch to linux fully , i wouldn't have asked about keeping wallet secure.
13:17:06 <kevino[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: windows 10 /11 ??
13:17:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xp
13:17:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yest
13:17:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> ... and 10/11
13:18:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 78vista
13:18:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> How did you survive the millennium bug on xp
13:18:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Y2k
13:18:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was online. Y2k bug saw me and went somewhere else
13:19:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> No in tx_extra
13:19:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * Now in tx_extra
13:23:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe Y2K has turned into btc bug
16:48:14 <Logged[m]> Ok
17:10:42 <anthero> 500 lurkers and no discussion?
17:19:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Busy
17:19:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh lol he left
17:19:41 <plowsof11> hows the weather anthero
17:19:45 <plowsof11> oh nvm
17:20:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hi plowsof
17:20:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your new job is to chat with me 24/7
17:20:53 <plowsof11> hello sir ofrnxmr, glad to be here. just found this place! tired of all those other scam projects! finally found a real one , created by and for the people 
17:36:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes. I have heard many good things about monero.
17:37:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive only just learned of this CCS thing
17:38:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wow. I always developers for monero worked for free!
17:38:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Does this mean that if i know someone skilled that that can work on monero and get paid?
17:39:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  are you still there?
17:43:56 <k4r4b3y[m]> <anthero> "500 lurkers and no discussion?" <- he doesn't know about the "real room".. heh
19:25:25 <satra-patra> if i compile with BACKGROUND_MINING_DEFAULT_MINING_TARGET_PERCENTAGE  100 and not 40 i'll have better hash rate?
19:49:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youll have a better hashrate if you use xmrig 👍
19:51:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> But no
19:51:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats the background mining thread limit in %
19:51:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> not foreground mining
19:51:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> i dont believe you need to recompile either, just use a different flag
19:51:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> i dont know what thatflag would be, but if you want the most hash possible youre using the wrong tool
19:52:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Err. Thata assuming `BACKGROUND_MINING_DEFAULT_MINING_TARGET_PERCENTAGE` is a monerod or monero-wallet-cli option 
20:05:13 <kowalabearhugs-[> Watch out, Monero fam. A new account on twitter, @moneroserivce (yes, misspelled service) has been messaging users. There is no official Monero Service account and it's likely they're tying to scam users. 
20:05:13 <kowalabearhugs-[>  
21:11:33 <Nezteb[m]> Is there a big difference between [the "official" Monero GUI](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#gui) and ["MyMonero"](https://mymonero.com/)?
21:14:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yest my monero is light wallet and andriod
21:14:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And likes kyc but doesnt
21:16:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/
21:16:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Explains
21:17:58 <guruji[m]> > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> would you guys use Silent.link... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/7e655069e5f14d7f029087c40b470b6c7018f8e9>)
21:18:28 <Nezteb[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Ah, I should have just scrolled down the page. 🤦‍♂️ Thanks for the details!
21:19:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Light Wallets use a backend service that can see all of your incoming tx.
21:19:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Full wallets sync from the blockchain and your balances and addresses are kept private 
21:19:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Didnt monero gui support ledger stax in recent release?
21:21:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
21:22:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> No idea what that is aside from the release notes though
21:24:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Not listed in getmonero
21:24:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, well release was rushed 
21:25:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably wasnt planned to have stax support this soon
21:25:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Prs welcome ;)
21:25:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Neva!!
21:40:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Muhaha. Need to add `Coin Wallet` first 
21:42:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Muhaha. Need to add `Coin Wallet` first 
22:07:57 <plowsof11> ledger stax is designed by the apple ipod creator. you... "stack them" - theyre magnetic ! and they can display NFTs! lets gooooo (like 300$ each)
22:09:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Does it support tx_extra nfts ?????????????????