01:27:11 <cryptogrampy[m]> <plowsof11> "ledger stax is designed by the..." <- economy of scale, young man.  as soon as monero becomes a household name, these things will be a nickel down at the drug store
08:03:30 <k4r4b3y[m]> <guruji[m]> "> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> would..." <- imei regulations drive me crazy.. I really wish changing imei was easy as changing mac addresses
08:04:54 <k4r4b3y[m]> enforcing only one and static imei per mobile device is not needed from the technical point of view. enforcing a static imei is more of a "surveillance and control" thing
08:07:03 <k4r4b3y[m]> compared to the imei, can we say that we got lucky with mac address stuff? I mean, now my operating system changes my mac address whenever I restart it. It seems like the system was late in waking up to that and putting some obstructions in place
08:50:20 <guruji[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "imei regulations drive me crazy...." <- On some phones it is easy to change the IMEI as you wish. 
08:51:26 <guruji[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "enforcing only one and static..." <- It is related to surveillance, control and cancel culture if needed.
08:53:02 <guruji[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "compared to the imei, can we say..." <- MAC address is the lucky stuff, sure. But if IMEI issue is still there, one is still in the same mire. 
09:16:02 <k4r4b3y[m]> <guruji[m]> "On some phones it is easy to..." <- Can you post brand/model names?
09:21:34 <kevino[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "Can you post brand/model names?" <- Off-topic ??
09:34:54 <guruji[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "Can you post brand/model names?" <- The one Neo uses in the Matrix, sent to him by Morpheus - Nokia 8110 with KaiOS. It was chosen not by chance right? 😋
09:36:29 <guruji[m]> <kevino[m]> "Off-topic ??" <- Not really. Secure, anonymous networking = safe Moneroj. 
09:38:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> guruji[m]: Very nice
12:34:44 <heinrich[m]> <guruji[m]> "> <@vergio:matrix.org> If you..." <- NO! I would never use such a service as you can neither verify no logs policies nor be certain that the service is not a honey pot(!!). Just use regular anonymous SIM cards for internet access. What if the service gets busted by LE (they can easily do this as they are not a legally registred company with legal protection) who then decides to look at the activity of all users? You are much
12:34:44 <heinrich[m]> safer with blending in. If you use such a service (this one or similiar ones like "PGPP"), your activity will not only be tied to your IMSI + IMEI but also to your user account.
12:37:22 <heinrich[m]> do your own research. there are openwrt LTE routers that can have their IMEI spoofed with "AT"  commands. I recommend using one of them in combination with a regular anonymous sim card.
12:37:22 <heinrich[m]> it also reduces your attack surface if your phone is not your router (for example: spyware via silent sms)
12:37:44 <anarkiocrypto[m]> It can be difficult to find anonymous sim cards in some countries (which require government ID even for prepaid sims). Silent.link offers a great service. If you are worried, use Tor.
12:38:27 <heinrich[m]> it's not a problem in any EU country i have visited so far
12:39:00 <anarkiocrypto[m]> AFAIK the only EU countries that don't require ID are Netherlands and Czech Republic.
12:39:15 <heinrich[m]> i would not use a service that will be primarily used by criminals. those services always become LE targets
12:39:20 <anarkiocrypto[m]> But it is still possible to find markets and convenience stores that sell anonymous sim cards under the table.
12:39:50 <heinrich[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: literally 80% of kiosks run by turks in germany offer anonymous sim cards
12:40:16 <heinrich[m]> but do as you wish
12:45:35 <heinrich[m]> guruji:  NO!! I would never use such a service as you can neither verify no logs policies nor be certain that the service is not a honey pot(!!). Just use regular anonymous SIM cards for internet access. What if the service gets busted by LE (they can easily do this as they are not a legally registred company with legal protection) who then decides to look at the activity of all users? You are much safer with blending in. If you use such a
12:45:35 <heinrich[m]> service (this one or similiar ones like "PGPP"), your activity will not only be tied to your IMSI + IMEI but also to your user account.
13:29:39 <guruji[m]> <heinrich[m]> "NO! I would never use such a..." <- If you can, use IMEI spoof enabled phone with anonymous simcard to be able to get sms if needed and use it as a WiFi hotspot for other devices. As I said. Otherwise you need a 1 burner phone power simcard with the right good security practice usage. 
13:31:17 <heinrich[m]> i tagged the wrong person, sorry. i meant to tag mlcboss: 
13:38:18 <guruji[m]> * If you can, use IMEI spoof enabled phone with anonymous simcard to be able to get sms if needed and use it as a WiFi hotspot for other devices. As I said. Otherwise you need a 1 burner phone per 1 simcard with the right good security practice usage. 
13:52:00 <JacobGonzales[m]> How can i accept monero for my website ?
13:52:04 <JacobGonzales[m]> what's the best method ?
13:52:24 <JacobGonzales[m]> currently i make sales by people dming me their payment screenshots on element then i send them the products 
13:52:40 <JacobGonzales[m]> but this is highly inefficient 
13:54:56 * JacobGonzales[m] uploaded an image: (105KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/nitro.chat/iKqBiiUKDqbujgQwmgkwmRAD/image.png >
14:05:26 <anarkiocrypto[m]> WooCommerce + MoneroIntegrations.com would work
14:30:09 <JacobGonzales[m]> do you need to put a social security in ?
14:33:29 <plowsof11> this video should help you https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=9fsdWJo2QFs , will let you set up a website that looks like monerosupplies.com 
14:34:01 <anarkiocrypto[m]> MoneroIntegrations is KYC-free. You just need to enter your Monero address and view key.
14:42:11 <mlcboss[m]> <heinrich[m]> "NO! I would never use such a..." <- so the best solution just get a random simcard and not registered my name on it 
14:42:11 <mlcboss[m]> btw what do you think on using public wifi , i know it's a bad idea since they are insecure and bad for privacy 
14:42:11 <mlcboss[m]> but damn they are cheap , a few bucks and i get unlimited internet 
14:44:18 <heinrich[m]> > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> so the best solution just get a random simcard and not registered my name on it 
14:44:18 <heinrich[m]> > btw what do you think on using public wifi , i know it's a bad idea since they are insecure and bad for privacy 
14:44:18 <heinrich[m]> > but damn they are cheap , a few bucks and i get unlimited internet 
14:44:18 <heinrich[m]> are you from the US? i heard that you can buy prepaid wifi cards there.
15:17:14 <mlcboss[m]> <heinrich[m]> "> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> so the..." <- nope , but i can buy the plans via monero 
15:17:14 <mlcboss[m]> someone selling them and use crypto payment gateway which i can use monero for it 
18:16:02 <JulianKranz[m]> [silentlink](https://silent.link/)
22:15:53 <koditals> Boa noite pessoal