05:38:12 <mlcboss[m]> is there a superior coin than Monero will you guys sell your monero?
05:52:21 <RavFX[m]> <mlcboss[m]> "is there a superior coin than..." <- More monero
05:52:59 <xmrlover[m]> Never too loyal to monero 
06:02:28 <RavFX[m]> there is no second best when we are talking about money coins
06:03:20 <xmrlover[m]> I'd rather die 😭 holding monero until that new coin can prove it's better than monero other than that I'm holding on.
06:05:52 <agnetkuck[m]> Dis is matheww kratter from trader university
07:32:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Blood in, blood out
08:04:51 <Siren[m]> For Monero users in Turkey: #monero-turkce:monero.social
08:27:47 <xfedex[m]> mlcboss: You're obviously talking about WOW
08:44:29 <mlcboss[m]> <xfedex[m]> "mlcboss: You're obviously..." <- Is just Monero with different name like Dogecoin to Bitcoin
08:45:00 <xfedex[m]> yes, kinda
08:46:00 <xfedex[m]> but it has major improvements (such as Known ring does not include spent output)
08:49:04 <mlcboss[m]> xfedex[m]: I believe wownero is just a testing ground like Lite/doge to Bitcoin 
08:49:04 <mlcboss[m]> Funfact alot of Bitcoin features came first at Litecoin 
08:49:04 <mlcboss[m]> lightning network & segregated witness (SegWit) was first introduce in Litecoin before added on Bitcoin 
10:39:06 <Ala[m]> <xmrlover[m]> "I'd rather die 😭 holding..." <- your cuteness levels for monero 
10:39:14 <Ala[m]> 😄😂❣️
13:12:56 <mlcboss[m]> Some memecoins have taxes wtf 
13:28:00 <mlcboss[m]> s/memecoins/crypto/
13:28:26 <mlcboss[m]> Like why? Im ok with miner fee but a literal tax 
13:30:41 <qwk[m]> hi
13:31:17 <qwk[m]> Is this room bridged to IRC?
13:31:21 <qwk[m]> or telegram
13:31:37 <DataHoarder> I cannot see you on IRC at all qwk[m] 
13:31:45 <DataHoarder> (yes to IRC)
13:32:37 <kico> qwk[m], to irc is
13:32:45 <qwk[m]> how about telegram?
13:33:07 <kico> dunno but maybe
13:54:00 <MajesticBank> it should be bridge to telegram
13:57:12 <merope> The telegram bridge was discarded a long time ago, far too many spambots
14:01:04 <MajesticBank> anti-spam systems are now far advanced
14:01:49 <MajesticBank> it would help telegram friends to hear some wise people from irc/matrix
14:02:59 <merope> As a person who has to keep cleaning up the telegram spam that comes through in the Mining room, fuck no
14:03:17 <merope> And that's with an aggressive antispam bot on the telegram side
14:04:06 <pastel3[m]> merope: including join captcha bot?
14:05:15 <merope> Not sure, I only take care of the matrix side
14:37:28 <mlcboss[m]> <MajesticBank> "anti-spam systems are now far..." <- How much profit you made per day? 
14:47:38 <r4v3r23[m]> poker game going today 
14:47:39 <r4v3r23[m]> in about 4 hours
14:47:39 <r4v3r23[m]> xmr.poker
14:51:32 <MajesticBank> mlcboss[m]: Not much really, if you consider donations this could be a non-profit
14:54:16 <mlcboss[m]> MajesticBank: Non Profit seriously but why? 
14:54:23 <mlcboss[m]> exchanges exist to make money
14:55:36 <MajesticBank> being in a position to support others, feels great tho, spending 10+ years around seeing different shifts
14:55:39 <mlcboss[m]> yet you done it for free 
14:55:56 <MajesticBank> you come to some end goal
15:33:24 <mlcboss[m]> Noooo , you will harm other exchanges 😭
15:33:24 <mlcboss[m]> so you put 0% FEES?
15:39:54 <mlcboss[m]> <MajesticBank> "being in a position to support..." <- be HONEST , you want to be the IKEA of CEX 
15:46:16 <plowsof11> i want people to come into my store, walk around, buy nothing, then see cheap meat balls for sale  
15:46:54 <plowsof11> mlcboss come on bro, he said "could be" non profit - not "we run at a loss" 
15:47:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> haha.. "run"
15:49:04 <jeffro256[m]> I like the idea of an Ikea CEX tho: when you buy from them they give you parts of the keys to where the XMR is stored and you have to assemble the wallet file yourself 
15:58:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> jeffro256:  ive been running your coinbase pr for a few weeks now. 
15:58:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> - when spending from an old wallet, it seems to still use coinbase
15:58:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> - old wallets: sometimes fails to get rct distribution occasionally
15:58:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> - updated cli: seems to be no problems
16:01:20 <jeffro256[m]> By old wallet, do you mean a wallet running pre-PR code, or really old outputs (pre-RCT)?
16:01:51 <jeffro256[m]> Also thanks for running it btw 
16:03:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> yes sir. old wallet meaning release version of cake, stack, etc
16:07:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> all of my outputs are relatively new. no pre-rct outs etc, everything post 2023
16:10:14 <jeffro256[m]> Ah yeah i don't know of any backwards compatible way we could make the old wallets also choose only non-coinbase outputs. My PR does not involve any concensus changes, so I can't force old wallets to pick only certain outputs
16:11:31 <jeffro256[m]> As for the second issue, it may be that that the RPC call is timing out, I'll check it out 
16:13:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> it works fine when switching nodes, switch back and same issue. 
16:13:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> its not consistent with all outputs though. but i never experienced the issue with cli
16:14:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> but yeah, it could still be a timeour issue if it takes longer to gather the outputs - my node isnt the fastest
16:49:16 <drrobotic[m]> hi, can anybody help me with opening my old monero wallet?
16:53:48 <drrobotic[m]> i opened it with wallet-cli, it started syncing but prompt with "Enter password (output received)" several times and the refresh failed
16:54:55 <drrobotic[m]> now i cant open the wallet anymore with error "Error: failed to load wallet: file .... does not correspond to ..." - anybody knows whats wrong?
16:57:29 <plowsof11> Error: failed to load wallet: file MyWallet does not correspond to MyWallet.keys ? this message?
16:57:59 <drrobotic[m]> yes after syncing/refresh failed, cant open
16:58:05 <plowsof11> what ./monero-wallet-cli --version
16:58:12 <drrobotic[m]> latest
16:58:38 <drrobotic[m]> Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.2.2-release)
16:58:59 <plowsof11> have you tried again after deleting the "MyWallet" file (not .keys) - this deletes the cache and begins to resync 
16:59:28 <drrobotic[m]> yes i removed it, still some error .. are there any other cache dirs?
16:59:54 <drrobotic[m]> same*
17:01:58 <plowsof11> are you connected to a remote node or local hm ive never encountered this issue - specifically related to the password entry upon receiving an output is the issue?
17:02:48 <drrobotic[m]> local daemon, yeah its weird
17:03:12 <drrobotic[m]> what about the password prompts for recieved output, are those normal?
17:03:20 <selsta> yes
17:03:38 <selsta> you have to enter your password so that it can decrypt the key from memory
17:03:43 <drrobotic[m]> can i avoid them somehow, only type passord while opening the wallet?
17:03:50 <selsta> yes
17:04:03 <selsta> but it's a bit less secure
17:04:41 <drrobotic[m]> yeah but its annoying for all transaction to type the password
17:04:57 <selsta> set ask-password 1
17:05:09 <plowsof11> and this is causing the broken cache?
17:05:13 <selsta> no
17:05:18 <selsta> it should not cause a broken cache
17:05:44 <drrobotic[m]> seems like my keys file is broken because i cant open it anymore (should have a backup)
17:06:11 <selsta> try either `set ask-password 1` or `set ask-password 0`
17:06:39 <selsta> 0 means it never asks for your password, 1 means only on action, 2 means it encrypts your key in memory
17:06:50 <selsta> which means you have to enter it during refesh
17:06:55 <selsta> refresh
17:07:26 <drrobotic[m]> ok thanks
17:07:32 <plowsof11> this old issue (written strangely) - perhaps there is a series of events to reproduce this https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/13022/wallet-does-not-correspond-to-keys
17:09:08 <drrobotic[m]> just opened the wallet, and refresh failed after i misstyped the password on prompt for output recieved
17:14:12 <selsta> plowsof11: that was a bug a year ago
17:14:14 <selsta> it's long fixed
17:14:33 <selsta> drrobotic[m]: it can't decrypt the keys if you mistype the password
17:14:40 <selsta> so it can't refresh
17:18:48 <drrobotic[m]> i cant reopen my wallet
17:19:14 <drrobotic[m]> it was open but while refresh it ask again for the password, but i misstyped it once
17:19:51 <drrobotic[m]> now i get the "does not correspond to" error while opening
17:19:58 <selsta> can you post the full error?
17:20:42 <drrobotic[m]> "Error: failed to load wallet: file /path/to/wallet does not correspond to /path/to/wallet.keys"
17:20:57 <drrobotic[m]> i deleted /path/to/wallet
17:21:10 <selsta> do you have your seed?
17:21:21 <drrobotic[m]> i have the keys file
17:22:12 <selsta> which OS are you using?
17:22:20 <drrobotic[m]> linux
17:22:40 <selsta> can you go to your wallet directory, do ls -la and post the output to paste.debian.net ?
17:22:48 <selsta> you can redact your username
17:23:18 <drrobotic[m]> there is just the keys file
17:24:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> i just moved my keys file to a new folder, opened gui, selected open a wallet > browse > selected kets file > success
17:24:53 <drrobotic[m]> yeah might try this too
17:27:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> 👍👎?
17:29:56 <drrobotic[m]> keys file seems to be destroyed
17:30:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> destroyed?
17:30:15 <drrobotic[m]> gui cant open it aswell
17:31:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> ls -la
17:31:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> owner is root? oryou?
17:31:27 <drrobotic[m]> thanks for the help, i try later with a backup again
17:31:55 <kico> how large is the file?
17:32:19 <drrobotic[m]> 1,7kb
17:32:28 <selsta> it would be interesting to know how you were able to do this, just by entering a false password when output received?
17:32:47 <drrobotic[m]> yeah
17:33:15 <drrobotic[m]> "Starting refresh...... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4259f3904041c741597bbd7efad3da18994abf50>)
17:33:58 <drrobotic[m]> then i typed "exit" and since then i couldnt open the wallet anymore
17:35:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> was this a morbinal wallet?
17:36:11 <drrobotic[m]> dont know what this is, wallet is from 2019 i think
17:37:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> ok np.
17:37:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> make sure you keep a copy of your backup
17:38:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> when you have time to recheck, come 
17:38:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> to #gui
17:39:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> sorry. touchscreen issues. 
17:39:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> come to #monero-gui:monero.social 
17:46:25 <qwk[m]> !help
18:00:15 <plowsof11> lol qwk are you ok 
19:28:47 <toralien[m]> is there some python script to working with xmr specifically address gen?
19:28:48 <toralien[m]> s/script/module/
19:45:41 <plowsof11> subaddress generation toralien ?
19:46:18 <plowsof11> if so: https://monero-python.readthedocs.io/en/latest/backends.html#offline
20:18:17 <drrobotic[m]> ofrnxmr: so opening my wallet backup with gui works, never using the cli again :D
20:20:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks for confirming
20:21:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> if you feel froggy, would you care to try to reproduce? (open a copy of back with cli and try to corrupt it with bad passwords while scanning?)
20:21:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/back/backup/
20:22:16 <drrobotic[m]> yeah i was thinking doing that with a new wallet
20:22:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Would be good to know if its an issue with a certain version of wallet, always an issue, or a hard to reproduce one
20:24:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meaning, if it corrupts everytime with your backup copy, but never with a new wallet = we know where to start looking 
20:26:37 <drrobotic[m]> i find it a bit odd that the cli wallet ask for the password again and again while refresh, its confusing
20:27:26 <drrobotic[m]> and the gui does it without the password prompts
20:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> <selsta> "0 means it never asks for your..." <- I assume gui uses 0 or 1 and cli uses 2
21:08:55 <toralien[m]> <plowsof11> "subaddress generation toralien ?" <- account generation including subaddress I guess
21:09:11 <toralien[m]> or excluding, account generation is most important
21:10:02 <toralien[m]> ok it can do that
21:10:03 <toralien[m]> nice
21:10:05 <toralien[m]> thanks
21:10:53 <toralien[m]> i suppose the rng should be safe with that one
23:44:39 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: should be 1 since it asks before sending