02:39:56 <hate[m]> i've used monero for a long time now but was wondering - will quantum computers be able to deanonymise xmr transactions from the past in the future? (since it breaks asymmetric encryption).
03:06:57 <xmrfn[m]> hate: Honest answer to your question; watch this video. Watch the whole thing. It is worth your time. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QUGnaLh6QLI
03:08:04 <xmrfn[m]> It is a lecture about what exactly quantum computing can do, given by [John Preskill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Preskill) of CalTech
03:09:40 <xmrfn[m]> The short answer is: it will be at minimum decades, and maybe centuries-to-never, before you see a QC that can for example factor RSA2048
03:10:06 <xmrfn[m]> Start worrying when you hear QC's with 20-50 million physical qbits
03:10:16 <hate[m]> ah ok got it
03:11:14 <xmrfn[m]> As I love predicting: "You will see working Fusion and and end to the energy/climite crises, long before you see QC break RSA"
03:12:39 <xmrfn[m]> Because a working, viable, inexpensive, easy-too-productize fusion reactor that gets more energy out of the whole plant than you put in, is in fact being deployed in 2025
03:13:29 <xmrfn[m]> The end of electricity scarcity and the impact on PoW is *much* more immediate a threat, than the impact of "quantum supremacy"
03:14:53 <Alex|LocalMonero> xmrfn[m]: Are you talking about Helion?
03:15:05 <xmrfn[m]> No, SPARC
03:16:25 <xmrfn[m]> No new tech, super simple, comparatively cheap, fairly quotidian heat exchange and industrial engineering issues at this point. Not research or basic science.
03:17:22 <xmrfn[m]> https://www.psfc.mit.edu/sparc
03:19:26 <xmrfn[m]> ... ah, looks like a lot of the info has moved to the commercial spinoff : https://www.cfs.energy/technology
04:11:27 <politicalweasel[> Plus even if there was somehow, magically, a cryptography breaking QC in 10 years from now, it would still take many hours for it to break a single key... there's no "master decryption key" in Monero, so it'd be at least a couple more decades on top of that for tech to advance enough to fully de-anon most past transactions. And early quantum attackers prob aren't going to waste their time on Monero when they could go for gov't secrets
04:11:27 <politicalweasel[> and such.
06:00:46 <mlcboss[m]> what giftcards are usually used in local monero?
06:06:59 <hate[m]> <mlcboss[m]> "what giftcards are usually..." <- Steam.
06:07:59 <hate[m]> > <@xmrfn:monero.social> hate: Honest answer to your question; watch this video. Watch the whole thing. It is worth your time. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QUGnaLh6QLI
06:07:59 <hate[m]> > 
06:08:00 <hate[m]> Thanks for linking the video, watched the entire thing
08:53:54 <hate[m]> in regards to churning, i've heard a lot of contrasting opinions on whether it's actually useful in improving your anonymity set. is there any official stance on this by monero devs?
09:58:09 <k4r4b3y[m]> Hello. I noticed that when I enable "anonymous-inbound" for tor hidden service directive for my monero node (running on 32-bit dietpi OS, odroid hc1 hardware) my monerod process disappears after 5 minutes or so. And after that my systemd service for monerod brings it back up. 
09:59:11 <k4r4b3y[m]> During my research on this, I found this github comment: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/7224#issuecomment-752962605
09:59:41 <k4r4b3y[m]> This suggests that there is also an ongoing attack coming from malicious tor peers targeting the RAM consumption of monerod.
10:00:21 <k4r4b3y[m]> Is this true? Am I understanding this right? Anyone else noticing their monerod crashing when they enable anonymous-inbound for tor?
10:08:50 <guruji[m]> <xmrfn[m]> "Because a working, viable..." <- Is it planned for 2025 deployment? I checked the website you shared but didn't find it. Can you point me to the roadmap with 2025 deployment? 
10:19:46 <plowsof11> k4r4b3y: sounds like hardware issue? Enabling inbound connections increases the load on your node. RAM? Swap file size? Or does it work with clearnet 
10:22:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your logs help a lot more than some 2 year old logs from v17
10:23:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> But of course, there are many nodes runnig with amonymous inbound without issue, including my own on a 2.7gb tablet
10:24:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not using systemd, but i recently helped configurea node with anon inbound that runs via systemd and withiut issue
10:24:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🔮 tells me you used 18080 as the anon inbound port 
10:25:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> (^ that thing tends to tell me falsehoods though)
10:31:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> <hate[m]> "in regards to churning, i've..." <- a the only method that actually works is trading xmr for unrelated xmr 
10:31:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Disclaimer: i dont claim to be a dev 
10:44:43 <hate[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "a the only method that actually..." <- i was actually thinking that too lol, but i imagine finding a place that does that is like impossible. probably the closest u can do is swap it to a different coin then swap back to xmr
11:50:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plenty do it (cex), but are the same entities  collaborating with whom youre trying to avoid
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13:41:19 <k4r4b3y[m]> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> k4r4b3y: sounds like hardware issue? Enabling inbound connections increases the load on your node. RAM? Swap file size? Or does it work with clearnet 
13:41:19 <k4r4b3y[m]> odroid hc1 has 2 GB RAM. I have setup 4 GB of swap file, too. My node works with clearnet. Only when I enable anonymous-inbound my monerod crashes, though I am not sure if it is the correct way to describe what happens. When I look at the monerod logs, it doesn't give a WARN or ERROR, it just restarts the monerod as if I just restarted it (probably my systemd script calling monerod after 30 secs of it going "down").
13:41:42 <k4r4b3y[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Your logs help a lot more than some 2 year old logs from v17
13:41:43 <k4r4b3y[m]> Yeah. I will return with a paste for my logs in a few hours.
13:46:06 <k4r4b3y[m]> I don't think the issue is with my systemd service. Again, it runs normally without the anonymous-inbound directive in monerod.conf
13:56:33 <plowsof11> Try without systemd (?) And --disable-rpc-ban and a higher log level and wait for the crash 
15:06:51 <Rucknium[m]> hate: Churning best practices is a gap in Monero research right now. There may be a new initiative to research churning and EAE attacks soon.
15:17:54 <PanTheMan> Is https://github.com/monero-project/monero the main codebase for XMR miners? Are things like https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak just forks?
15:19:27 <kico> PanTheMan, https://github.com/monero-project/monero is the project git nothing to do with mining
15:19:38 <kico> there is no "official" miner
15:19:48 <kico> all mining softwares are "3rd party"
15:19:56 <kico> well there is a built in miner in the GUI
15:20:10 <kico> guess that's as "official" as it gets
15:20:48 <kico> is fireice still updating his miner tho?
15:21:21 <PanTheMan> Ohhh - I guess I thought the "project" WAS the code for mining/running a node.
15:21:39 <PanTheMan> fireice looks like older commits than xmrig
15:21:50 <kico> yeah monero is basically nodes
15:22:40 <kico> and yeah most people use xmrig now for mining
15:23:33 <PanTheMan> Ok. So the monero-project code is what? For example, who would build/execute this code base and for what reason?
15:23:45 <kico> to run monero 
15:23:49 <kico> wallets and nodes
15:24:11 <kico> notice that xmrig codebase is not under github.com/monero-project/monero
15:24:18 <PanTheMan> riiiiggghht
15:25:24 <PanTheMan> So I'd fork this code if I wanted to develop my own wallet?
15:25:47 <kico> if CLI yeah I guess
15:26:08 <kico> for GUI maybe better forking the GUI wallet or smth like feather
15:26:34 <kico> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui
18:55:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
18:55:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> You used 18080 on the anon inbound port
18:55:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Use 18084
18:57:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> I didnt check logs ^ but that error is because youre trying to bind twice to the same p2p port... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/24c16c0701de752ff89d98e9a62c43def15ea172>)
18:58:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of course you need to change your torrc to point tp 18084 as well
19:01:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Badalloc
19:01:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hows your ram
19:01:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> "that i know how to solve" lol
19:01:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> sure
19:01:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> You initially clained the issue was with anon inbound. Can we mark that ticket as solved?
19:02:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> This appears to be unrelated(?)
19:03:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meanwhile, my node rip today
19:30:32 <Alex|LocalMonero> https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard/weekly/52
20:26:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> It runs fine with them disabled?
20:27:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats strange
20:29:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Remove the public-node flag
20:29:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Comment*
20:30:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> also `anonymous-inbound=<yourownb32i2paddress>.b32.i2p:48083,127.0.0.1:48083,16` shpuld be `anonymous-inbound=<yourownb32i2paddress>.b32.i2p,127.0.0.1:48083,16`
20:30:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> When you use it
20:36:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> i honestly dont even remember what public-node does or why one would need it
22:00:15 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero Issue 169: April 27 - May 4, 2023. https://revuo-xmr.com/issue-169.html
22:52:36 <jamss[m]> How to swap btc for monero?
22:54:22 <redpill[m]> Use torcador 
23:00:21 <jamss[m]> Thanks
23:37:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Mr Diego is stack duo going to be on ios?
23:38:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero problems with ios
23:40:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Icrap issue
23:40:50 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Stack Duo is already on iOS.
23:41:01 <DiegoSalazar[m]> but there are a couple issues with Monero there, yes.
23:41:08 <DiegoSalazar[m]> but it works for one wallet. Maybe. :D
23:41:18 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Just don't make a Wownero wallet or a second Monero wallet for the time being.
23:41:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Pot luck
23:45:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Brb moving life savings to it