00:10:12 <hate[m]> <wochieng[m]> "Hey there. Does anyone know of..." <- your best bet is to get a prepaid w/ cakepay and use that to pay 00:10:25 <hate[m]> there wont be any email marketing services that accept crypto let alone xmr 00:33:42 <ShaneonConduitrs> https://github.com/dayzerosec/AMD-SP-Loader 00:45:48 <someoneelse49549> <ShaneonConduitrs> "https://github.com/dayzerosec/..." <- thx for the repo. But might I ask how is it relevant to Monero 02:22:43 <fr33_yourself[m]> If a low trust counterparty like the government or exchange ever ask if you still control those coins. Just don't respond. Lol. Make the government cry and pound sand. They need to get humbled to the point of extinction 02:31:02 <hate[m]> yea i really dont know how he came to the conclusion that most people use cake wallet 02:31:09 <hate[m]> me and a lot of people i know all use moneroju 02:32:03 <hate[m]> s/moneroju/monerujo/ 02:52:20 <jollyboy[m]> monero-gui, running full node, makes my laptop rev like a car engine 02:53:02 <jollyboy[m]> does anyone else have this experience? 02:54:53 <MajesticBank> probably your ssd drive? check cpu/disc load 02:55:00 <MajesticBank> https://twitter.com/MajesticBank/status/1656854498566979585 02:57:04 <jollyboy[m]> its the hard drive making the noise do you think? CPU usage was 20% 02:57:16 <jollyboy[m]> other stats I don't have on me now 02:57:34 <jollyboy[m]> do I need to buy a powerful PC to run a monero node comfortably? 02:59:05 <jollyboy[m]> If you use a wallet like Atomic Wallet or something, you are transacting with someone else's node right? 02:59:16 <jollyboy[m]> and its safer to run your own node, right? 02:59:39 <MajesticBank> Wouldn't recommend atomic wallet tho 02:59:52 <MajesticBank> but there is list of vetted community nodes 03:00:57 <jollyboy[m]> MajesticBank: can you give me some advice, my goal is to buy Litecoin and swap it for Monero 03:01:07 <jollyboy[m]> what apps/strategy should I use? 03:08:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> But ltc > swap it for monero 03:08:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> theres the strategy part 03:09:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now for apps. What are you looking for? This isnt btc 03:09:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> We dont have 17 specialized wallets 03:09:52 <MajesticBank> this is very interesting on-ramp, we are working to integrate them soon 03:09:54 <MajesticBank> https://www.mtpelerin.com/buy-crypto 03:10:33 <MajesticBank> no ltc, but if you get btc, we managed to lower btc transaction fee to 3 usd 03:10:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank: did you try it yourself 03:10:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Screw btc 03:10:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Buy ltc 03:10:52 <MajesticBank> making it at some reasonable level 03:12:01 <jollyboy[m]> ofrnxmr: if you look at https://litecoin.com/en/individuals/wallet/desktop/litecoin-core 03:12:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> btc is for jpegs and old folks who like watching commercials inbetween confirmations 03:12:15 <jollyboy[m]> there are quite a few wallets 03:12:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake wallet, stack wallet both support ltc 03:12:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> and xmr 03:13:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> and both have built in swaps 03:13:17 <jollyboy[m]> so you would suggest Cake wallet? 03:13:25 <jollyboy[m]> how come its not on the wallets on the litecoin site? 03:13:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> i use em all 03:13:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because ltc is a joke 03:13:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Github last updated like who knows when 03:14:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its a joke, but at least it works 03:14:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> ltc > xmr swaps are like 5mins 03:14:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btc > anything is a waste of my gd time 03:14:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Time is moneu 03:15:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btc is inefficient and a PITA to use, and a lot easier to get flagged using btc 03:15:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bcuz of all the maxis that mix it 03:15:37 <jollyboy[m]> whats the practical difference between storing MXR in monero-gui or storing in Cake wallet? 03:15:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> None 03:16:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just that one is on a desktop and one on mobile - different basic security 03:16:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> But both are based on the exast same code 03:16:34 <jollyboy[m]> oh..... 03:16:45 <jollyboy[m]> oh yeah Cake wallet has no linux version right? 03:16:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> fr33_yourself[m]: Depends 03:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of youre running windows, eff no 03:17:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id store in cake before is store on windows 03:17:16 <jollyboy[m]> I aint running windows bro 03:17:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Windows have too many "steal your seed" or "replace your address" viruses in the wild 03:18:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> The wallet files on desktop are encrypted 03:18:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> So even if stolen, theyd need to be brute forced 03:19:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> All in all, the underlying monero code is the same. Featherwallet is a very good desktop wallet, and has slightly different code than standard monero 03:21:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tobtoht also works on monero core, so featherwallet can be seen (sometimes) as a testing ground for bug fixes or feature adds. examples being mitigating some dns delays previously and implementing polyseed currently 03:24:19 <jollyboy[m]> it looks like: you can do an in-wallet coin swap, or you can use an external service like changelly 03:24:26 <jollyboy[m]> is this a correct view? 03:24:56 <jollyboy[m]> for example, atomic wallet allows for in-wallet swaps, run but atomic wallet 03:24:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Changelly is terrible 03:25:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Use trocador 03:25:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Swaps in-wallet make use of external services 03:25:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> But not terrible ones like changelly. 03:25:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> both stack and cake support trocador 03:26:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> They both also support other exchanges - but i personally recommend trocador 03:26:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Easier 03:27:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> cake supports trocador 03:27:46 <jollyboy[m]> I'm linux... 03:28:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> cakes linux app isnt out yet but stack has one 03:28:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> But trocador.app or trocador.i2p 03:30:16 <jollyboy[m]> thanks for all your advice! I'm desktop linux only btw 03:30:22 <jollyboy[m]> yeah 03:30:22 <MajesticBank> very good recommendations 03:30:26 <jollyboy[m]> I'm all set 03:30:44 <jollyboy[m]> I'm having a look at stack wallet 03:31:31 <jollyboy[m]> so you recommend stack over Atomic and litecoin core etc...? 03:31:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes 03:32:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Atomic 100% 03:32:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> litecoin core - ive never ran litecoins core software 03:33:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> But litecoin repos were pretty much on life support the last time i checked. Stack wallet is actively developed, takes feature requests etc 03:33:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> And respects monero ideals 03:33:53 <jollyboy[m]> stack wallet no linux it seems... 03:34:08 <jollyboy[m]> cake and stack, no linux... 03:34:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stackwallet github > releases > appimage 03:34:28 <jollyboy[m]> its not on the website 03:34:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake no linux (yet) 03:34:43 <jollyboy[m]> https://stackwallet.com/# 03:35:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet/releases/tag/build_169 03:36:06 <jollyboy[m]> but isnt it weird its not listed on the site? 03:36:49 <jollyboy[m]> you have to be very experienced to know about the download location 03:37:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> no 03:37:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> for linux version, yes 03:37:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because focus is on perfecting ui and mobile first 03:39:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Every platform is in beta 03:39:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Desktop stack is much newer, though sharing a lot of code isnt a 1:1 copy 03:40:26 <jollyboy[m]> I think I'll wait till there's more documentation 03:40:33 <jollyboy[m]> sorry I feel like an ass 03:40:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the linux version isnt on the site (i didnt check) im assuming its simple to keep beta testing pool small for the time being 03:40:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stack Wallet 03:40:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Feel free to ask any specifics there 03:41:00 <jollyboy[m]> Whats the downside to using Atomic? 03:41:11 <jollyboy[m]> I'll keep an eye on stack and cake 03:41:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> is it even foss lol 03:41:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> And it supports changelly? 03:41:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> That wallet is disrespectful to crypto 03:42:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why use a foss, decentralized money 03:42:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> then trust a proprietary solution to perform magic tricks 03:43:17 <jollyboy[m]> your talking about atomic? 03:43:22 <jollyboy[m]> its not open source? 03:43:42 <jollyboy[m]> yes, I agree on the moral point 03:43:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meaning, proprietary spins on open source wallets are 99/100 times the wallet dev changing things that should not be changed 03:43:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah 03:44:07 <jollyboy[m]> oh... 03:44:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont remember it being open source, but i could be wrong 03:44:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most wallets arent 03:44:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> ill check 03:47:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Google firebase analytics 03:47:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ships obfuscated binaries 03:48:50 <jollyboy[m]> atomic uses google firebase?? 03:49:09 <jollyboy[m]> are you serious?? 03:49:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/reports/335336 03:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/search/io.atomicwallet/ 03:50:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can see when they added it 03:51:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> And permissions go from ~6-32 03:52:29 <jollyboy[m]> that's outrageous 03:52:34 <jollyboy[m]> so all users are being tracked? 03:52:43 <jollyboy[m]> talk about violation of trust 03:53:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Violation? Tracked? 03:53:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youre using ltc 03:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> you expected privacy? 03:54:09 <jollyboy[m]> I was naive 03:54:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or to not be tracked? 03:54:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gotta use tools built by people that respect these values 03:54:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not people who make excuses and cut corners 03:54:42 <jollyboy[m]> I didn't realize privacy also applied to wallets 03:54:48 <jollyboy[m]> yeah, you said it 03:55:04 <jollyboy[m]> so for linux is litecoin core the go? 03:55:22 <jollyboy[m]> the only reason I am thinking Litecoin to Monero is becaue someone here recommended it 03:55:24 <cockliuser[m]> There's electrum for Litecoin 03:55:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> possible. Im not a big enough ltc user to care 03:55:29 <jollyboy[m]> I don't give a shit about litecoin 03:55:59 <cockliuser[m]> Why not just fiat to Monero 03:56:07 <jollyboy[m]> I wish I could 03:56:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken kyc, localmonero nokyc 03:56:36 <jollyboy[m]> kraken, I don't like 03:56:50 <jollyboy[m]> localmonero, Im considering, but I have to leave home and buy in small amounts 03:57:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken probably better than the rest 03:57:17 <jollyboy[m]> I was hoping to just sit at home and buy a good amount (via coin swapping or another method) 03:57:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance, coinbase, kucoin, all lying scum. Kucoin not as bad 03:57:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> jollyboy[m]: No 03:57:30 <jollyboy[m]> kyc, defeats the purpose 03:57:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can send payments via whatever onkine method 03:57:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Incluuding cashapp or crypto 03:58:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or bank transfers, atm deposits etc 03:58:33 <jollyboy[m]> maybe localmonero is the right way... 03:58:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> I use LM 03:58:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yoi can just post a buy ad 03:59:03 <jollyboy[m]> since no-kyc fiat to Monero is hard, I was thinking fiat > shitcoin > monero 03:59:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> posting a buy ad will get you better prices. 03:59:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Buying off of a seller, youll pay more 03:59:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why? Buyers usually buy below market. So you can buy at market np 04:00:20 <jollyboy[m]> so if I go a shit coin like litecoin, I'll be tracked (probably) 04:00:26 <jollyboy[m]> a complicated world 04:00:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I only hold ltc long enough to swap it 04:01:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Idk where it csme from, or where it went, but it did its job and put xmr in my wallet 04:01:33 <jollyboy[m]> yes! exactly, thats the point! 04:01:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> If i buy ltc and do that, vs if i buy xmr directly.. the exchange doesnt know anythinf other than "money disappeared" 04:01:48 <jollyboy[m]> thats what we want, xmr in your pocket 04:01:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep. 04:01:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> The ltc is gone. Poof 04:02:21 <jollyboy[m]> are you using cake or stack on a mac or mobile then? 04:02:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> if i buy xmr with withdraw, the xmr is "gone" too 04:02:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> jollyboy[m]: Mobile 04:02:45 <jollyboy[m]> what wallet are you using for ltc? 04:02:52 <jollyboy[m]> sure cake is not tracking users? 04:03:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> on mobile i actually use unstoppable wallet for ltc 04:04:02 <jollyboy[m]> is it open source? 04:04:08 <jollyboy[m]> no tracking confirmed? 04:04:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unstoppable is like trust wallet, but not scum. Doesnt include xmr, so its basicallly just my burner wallet 04:05:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup 04:05:37 <jollyboy[m]> where doing you obtain the ltc? 04:05:45 <jollyboy[m]> in-wallet? external exchange? 04:06:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> personally i use a kyc service. But only if my localmonero buy ads are taking too long 04:07:10 <jollyboy[m]> i see... 04:07:24 <jollyboy[m]> I'm waiting on a kyc application now 04:08:07 <jollyboy[m]> exchange, sent to unstoppable, swap to xmr (using some thirdparty) 04:08:11 <jollyboy[m]> sound like a plan? 04:08:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> If kraken is cool in your state, theyre probably the best to kyc eith 04:08:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Since you can buy xmr directly 04:08:31 <jollyboy[m]> wow 04:08:35 <jollyboy[m]> that would be great 04:09:13 <jollyboy[m]> pretty silly huh, talking all this litecoin stuff in the monero room 04:09:33 <jollyboy[m]> https://switchere.com/exchange/buy-litecoin 04:09:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its ok. Leads to monero 04:09:47 <jollyboy[m]> what do you thin of this? has 15k reviews on trust pilot? 04:10:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> for a kyc buying service? Or for an swap? 04:10:45 <jollyboy[m]> buying 04:11:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> bestchange.org 04:11:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also check reviews there 04:11:26 <jollyboy[m]> seems you need a login 04:11:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> I personally wouldnt give my id to some not-gonna-last business 04:11:53 <jollyboy[m]> thats a good point, yes 04:13:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> thats why i kycd with xyz company, and try to only use them for my kyc stuff. 04:14:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> but again, i dump my ltc right after i withdraw it. So i dont worry about stupid taxes about moving it 04:14:28 <jollyboy[m]> so, https://trocador.app/en/ is currently the best bet for a swap right? 04:14:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup 04:15:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you setup a test swap youll see that it is an aggregator 04:15:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> It finds the best rates out of swaps that are known to be good (and trocador rates them as far as what happens if you send them dirty coins) 04:16:06 <jollyboy[m]> great advice! 04:16:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> It also proxies your tx to the exchange, so even if the exchange doesnt support tor/i2p you can still use tor/i2p 04:17:04 <jollyboy[m]> this is so complicated, I'm going to lunch 04:19:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> just wait til you see btc. 04:20:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Really though, its simple if you "just do it" 04:20:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even buying on localnonero can be a nice experience 04:21:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> LocalMonero Official Group they have a room as well and again - app is foss 04:21:52 <jollyboy[m]> yes I'll give it a try 04:22:03 <jollyboy[m]> use a few methods and see whats best 04:39:26 <AlmightyA> Are there any XMR P2P rooms on Libera? 04:51:33 <RavFX[m]> <AlmightyA> "Are there any XMR P2P rooms on..." <- The same rooms, linked, plus or less 05:12:41 <Alex|LocalMonero> jollyboy: you'll often get the best swap rates on LocalMonero, and there's zero risk of shotgun KYC (when the service takes your coins and doesn't process or refund your swap until you give them your ID) 05:17:39 <Alex|LocalMonero> jollyboy: check out this offer: https://localmonero.co/ad/buy-monero-cryptocurrency/dbbe9616-f608-491d-be96-16f608791dd0 05:18:18 <Alex|LocalMonero> It's only 1.19% above market price, compared to the 1.5%+ charged by instant swap services (which may also randomly shotgun KYC you) 05:18:54 <Alex|LocalMonero> And you'll be supporting the P2P economy, and it's more private. 07:38:32 <modul8[m]> seems down..not just you 07:42:23 <annwyn[m]> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: Hi there! I heard you stopped listing offers from Russia and locked out Russian IPs. Is that true? 08:06:45 <cockliuser[m]> localmonero thing seems really unfair but I guess its compliance with sanctions 08:06:55 <cockliuser[m]> s/its/it's/ 08:17:10 <annwyn[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "localmonero thing seems really..." <- So LM isn't a decentralized thing and has a body that must comply with sanctions? 08:20:08 <plowsof11> @annwyn #xmr.ru:matrix.org im sure will offer a method or alternative to obtain xmr 08:24:56 <annwyn[m]> plowsof11: Cheers mate) I'll have to hugely improve my Russian though)) 10:36:38 <modul8[m]> <annwyn[m]> "So LM isn't a decentralized..." <- its a company (centralized) what do you expect them to do? cut their face off instead of their nose? 10:42:55 <annwyn[m]> @modul8:matrix.org I somehow didn't realize they're a company. This explains everything. 10:44:30 <modul8[m]> :) 10:46:27 <modul8[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "Haveno and serai can't arrive..." <- would people use it? has anyone been testing it? https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno 10:47:48 <modul8[m]> serai sounds great but we still need a way for fiat tranfers. also we need a proper decentralised marketplace 11:03:26 <modul8[m]> k4r4b3y[m]: i havnt been following the new one. its monero right not bitcoin? 11:05:16 <modul8[m]> may as well use ebay if its based on bitcoin again. https://github.com/openbazaar/openbazaar3-rust 11:06:25 <k4r4b3y[m]> modul8[m]: It is going to be monero and bitcoin 11:06:25 <k4r4b3y[m]> Tho bitcoin addition is really unnecessary, imo. Monero covers all the bases alone when it comes to crypto currency payments. 12:04:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): openbazaar? Or haveno? 12:04:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> (or both lol) 14:02:37 <sgp[m]> Cake Wallet arrives on Linux, including Tails, Whonix, Ubuntu, etc! More info: https://cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-arrives-on-linux/ 14:22:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> jollyboy: theres your linux 14:23:37 <cryptogrampy[m]> <sgp[m]> "Cake Wallet arrives on Linux..." <- very nice 14:28:37 <sgp[m]> <cryptogrampy[m]> "very nice" <- Thanks! We also made a flatpak due to popular demand :) 14:47:17 <toralien[m]> > Invalid DNSSEC TXT record signature for updates.moneropulse.org: validation failure <updates.moneropulse.org. TXT IN>: no keys have a DS with algorithm RSASHA256 from Invalid DNSSEC TXT record signature for updates.moneropulse.org: validation failure <updates.moneropulse.org. TXT IN>: no keys have a DS with algorithm RSASHA256 from 14:47:17 <toralien[m]> must i be worried? 14:57:35 <selsta> toralien[m]: is this your home ISP? VPS? VPN? 14:58:41 <toralien[m]> selsta: VPS 14:59:42 <toralien[m]> selsta: i also fixed the issue in the meanwhile now because it's just a dns thingy 15:00:20 <selsta> yes with some DNS weird DNSSEC related errors show up 18:52:57 <spackle_xmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/13fta7t/simulating_moneros_dynamic_blocks/ 18:53:51 <spackle_xmr[m]> The simulation still needs a lot of work, but I think it is a decent illustration for now. I would welcome feedback. 19:13:04 <susman1[m]> are there any UK monero groups 20:54:59 <Alex|LocalMonero> https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard/weekly/53 20:56:25 <Alex|LocalMonero> <annwyn[m]> "Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk..." <- Yup. For now. 21:56:14 <philnthropic[m]> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12065277/WhatsApp-engulfed-privacy-firestorm-users-report-app-recording-SLEEP.html 21:59:39 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Stay away from anything the zuck touches 21:59:40 <Save_G[m]> there is no reason not to get everyone to use signal 21:59:40 <Save_G[m]> * get everyone in your circle to use 22:22:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> what os 22:23:19 <Save_G[m]> linux 22:23:33 <Save_G[m]> popos 23:01:37 <Alex|LocalMonero> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/13fzxj7/to_any_canadian_banned_from_binance_localmonero/