00:10:12 <hate[m]> <wochieng[m]> "Hey there. Does anyone know of..." <- your best bet is to get a prepaid w/ cakepay and use that to pay
00:10:25 <hate[m]> there wont be any email marketing services that accept crypto let alone xmr
00:33:42 <ShaneonConduitrs> https://github.com/dayzerosec/AMD-SP-Loader
00:45:48 <someoneelse49549> <ShaneonConduitrs> "https://github.com/dayzerosec/..." <- thx for the repo. But might I ask how is it relevant to Monero
02:22:43 <fr33_yourself[m]> If a low trust counterparty like the government or exchange ever ask if you still control those coins. Just don't respond. Lol. Make the government cry and pound sand. They need to get humbled to the point of extinction
02:31:02 <hate[m]> yea i really dont know how he came to the conclusion that most people use cake wallet
02:31:09 <hate[m]> me and a lot of people i know all use moneroju
02:32:03 <hate[m]> s/moneroju/monerujo/
02:52:20 <jollyboy[m]> monero-gui, running full node, makes my laptop rev like a car engine
02:53:02 <jollyboy[m]> does anyone else have this experience?
02:54:53 <MajesticBank> probably your ssd drive? check cpu/disc load
02:55:00 <MajesticBank> https://twitter.com/MajesticBank/status/1656854498566979585
02:57:04 <jollyboy[m]> its the hard drive making the noise do you think? CPU usage was 20%
02:57:16 <jollyboy[m]> other stats I don't have on me now
02:57:34 <jollyboy[m]> do I need to buy a powerful PC to run a monero node comfortably?
02:59:05 <jollyboy[m]> If you use a wallet like Atomic Wallet or something, you are transacting with someone else's node right?
02:59:16 <jollyboy[m]> and its safer to run your own node, right?
02:59:39 <MajesticBank> Wouldn't recommend atomic wallet tho
02:59:52 <MajesticBank> but there is list of vetted community nodes
03:00:57 <jollyboy[m]> MajesticBank: can you give me some advice, my goal is to buy Litecoin and swap it for Monero
03:01:07 <jollyboy[m]> what apps/strategy should I use?
03:08:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> But ltc > swap it for monero
03:08:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> theres the strategy part 
03:09:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now for apps. What are you looking for? This isnt btc
03:09:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> We dont have 17 specialized wallets
03:09:52 <MajesticBank> this is very interesting on-ramp, we are working to integrate them soon
03:09:54 <MajesticBank> https://www.mtpelerin.com/buy-crypto
03:10:33 <MajesticBank> no ltc, but if you get btc, we managed to lower btc transaction fee to 3 usd
03:10:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank:  did you try it yourself
03:10:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Screw btc 
03:10:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Buy ltc 
03:10:52 <MajesticBank> making it at some reasonable level
03:12:01 <jollyboy[m]> ofrnxmr: if you look at https://litecoin.com/en/individuals/wallet/desktop/litecoin-core
03:12:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> btc is for jpegs and old folks who like watching commercials inbetween confirmations
03:12:15 <jollyboy[m]> there are quite a few wallets
03:12:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake wallet, stack wallet both support ltc
03:12:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> and xmr 
03:13:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> and both have built in swaps
03:13:17 <jollyboy[m]> so you would suggest Cake wallet?
03:13:25 <jollyboy[m]> how come its not on the wallets on the litecoin site?
03:13:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> i use em all
03:13:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because ltc is a joke
03:13:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Github last updated like who knows when
03:14:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its a joke, but at least it works
03:14:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> ltc > xmr swaps are like 5mins
03:14:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btc > anything is a waste of my gd time 
03:14:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Time is moneu
03:15:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btc is inefficient and a PITA to use, and a lot easier to get flagged using btc
03:15:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bcuz of all the maxis that mix it
03:15:37 <jollyboy[m]> whats the practical difference between storing MXR in monero-gui or storing in Cake wallet?
03:15:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> None
03:16:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just that one is on a desktop and one on mobile - different basic security
03:16:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> But both are based on the exast same code 
03:16:34 <jollyboy[m]> oh.....
03:16:45 <jollyboy[m]> oh yeah Cake wallet has no linux version right?
03:16:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> fr33_yourself[m]: Depends
03:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of youre running windows, eff no
03:17:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id store in cake before is store on windows
03:17:16 <jollyboy[m]> I aint running windows bro
03:17:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Windows have too many "steal your seed" or "replace your address" viruses in the wild
03:18:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> The wallet files on desktop are encrypted 
03:18:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> So even if stolen, theyd need to be brute forced 
03:19:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> All in all, the underlying monero code is the same. Featherwallet is a very good desktop wallet, and has slightly different code than standard monero
03:21:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tobtoht also works on monero core, so featherwallet can be seen (sometimes) as a testing ground for bug fixes or feature adds. examples being mitigating some dns delays previously and implementing polyseed currently
03:24:19 <jollyboy[m]> it looks like: you can do an in-wallet coin swap, or you can use an external service like changelly
03:24:26 <jollyboy[m]> is this a correct view?
03:24:56 <jollyboy[m]> for example, atomic wallet allows for in-wallet swaps, run but atomic wallet
03:24:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Changelly is terrible
03:25:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Use trocador 
03:25:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Swaps in-wallet make use of external services
03:25:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> But not terrible ones like changelly.
03:25:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> both stack and cake support trocador 
03:26:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> They both also support other exchanges - but i personally recommend trocador
03:26:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Easier 
03:27:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> cake supports trocador
03:27:46 <jollyboy[m]> I'm linux...
03:28:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> cakes linux app isnt out yet but stack has one 
03:28:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> But trocador.app or trocador.i2p
03:30:16 <jollyboy[m]> thanks for all your advice! I'm desktop linux only btw
03:30:22 <jollyboy[m]> yeah
03:30:22 <MajesticBank> very good recommendations
03:30:26 <jollyboy[m]> I'm all set
03:30:44 <jollyboy[m]> I'm having a look at stack wallet
03:31:31 <jollyboy[m]> so you recommend stack over Atomic and litecoin core etc...?
03:31:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
03:32:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Atomic 100%
03:32:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> litecoin core - ive never ran litecoins core software 
03:33:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> But litecoin repos were pretty much on life support the last time i checked. Stack wallet is actively developed, takes feature requests etc
03:33:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> And respects monero ideals
03:33:53 <jollyboy[m]> stack wallet no linux it seems...
03:34:08 <jollyboy[m]> cake and stack, no linux...
03:34:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stackwallet github > releases > appimage
03:34:28 <jollyboy[m]> its not on the website
03:34:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake no linux (yet)
03:34:43 <jollyboy[m]> https://stackwallet.com/#
03:35:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet/releases/tag/build_169
03:36:06 <jollyboy[m]> but isnt it weird its not listed on the site?
03:36:49 <jollyboy[m]> you have to be very experienced to know about the download location
03:37:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> no
03:37:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> for linux version, yes
03:37:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because focus is on perfecting ui and mobile first 
03:39:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Every platform is in beta
03:39:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Desktop stack is much newer, though sharing a lot of code isnt a 1:1 copy 
03:40:26 <jollyboy[m]> I think I'll wait till there's more documentation
03:40:33 <jollyboy[m]> sorry I feel like an ass
03:40:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the linux version isnt on the site (i didnt check) im assuming its simple to keep beta testing pool small for the time being
03:40:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stack Wallet 
03:40:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Feel free to ask any specifics there 
03:41:00 <jollyboy[m]> Whats the downside to using Atomic?
03:41:11 <jollyboy[m]> I'll keep an eye on stack and cake
03:41:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> is it even foss lol
03:41:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> And it supports changelly? 
03:41:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> That wallet is disrespectful to crypto 
03:42:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why use a foss, decentralized money
03:42:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> then trust a proprietary solution to perform magic tricks
03:43:17 <jollyboy[m]> your talking about atomic?
03:43:22 <jollyboy[m]> its not open source?
03:43:42 <jollyboy[m]> yes, I agree on the moral point
03:43:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meaning, proprietary spins on open source wallets are 99/100 times the wallet dev changing things that should not be changed 
03:43:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah
03:44:07 <jollyboy[m]> oh...
03:44:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont remember it being open source, but i could be wrong 
03:44:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most wallets arent 
03:44:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> ill check
03:47:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Google firebase analytics
03:47:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ships obfuscated binaries
03:48:50 <jollyboy[m]> atomic uses google firebase??
03:49:09 <jollyboy[m]> are you serious??
03:49:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/reports/335336
03:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/search/io.atomicwallet/
03:50:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can see when they added it
03:51:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> And permissions go from ~6-32
03:52:29 <jollyboy[m]> that's outrageous
03:52:34 <jollyboy[m]> so all users are being tracked?
03:52:43 <jollyboy[m]> talk about violation of trust
03:53:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Violation? Tracked?
03:53:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youre using ltc
03:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> you expected privacy?
03:54:09 <jollyboy[m]> I was naive
03:54:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or to not be tracked?
03:54:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gotta use tools built by people that respect these values 
03:54:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not people who make excuses and cut corners 
03:54:42 <jollyboy[m]> I didn't realize privacy also applied to wallets
03:54:48 <jollyboy[m]> yeah, you said it
03:55:04 <jollyboy[m]> so for linux is litecoin core the go?
03:55:22 <jollyboy[m]> the only reason I am thinking Litecoin to Monero is becaue someone here recommended it
03:55:24 <cockliuser[m]> There's electrum for Litecoin 
03:55:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> possible. Im not a big enough ltc user to care
03:55:29 <jollyboy[m]> I don't give a shit about litecoin
03:55:59 <cockliuser[m]> Why not just fiat to Monero
03:56:07 <jollyboy[m]> I wish I could
03:56:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken kyc, localmonero nokyc
03:56:36 <jollyboy[m]> kraken, I don't like
03:56:50 <jollyboy[m]> localmonero, Im considering, but I have to leave home and buy in small amounts
03:57:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken probably better than the rest 
03:57:17 <jollyboy[m]> I was hoping to just sit at home and buy a good amount (via coin swapping or another method)
03:57:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance, coinbase, kucoin, all lying scum. Kucoin not as bad
03:57:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> jollyboy[m]: No
03:57:30 <jollyboy[m]> kyc, defeats the purpose
03:57:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can send payments via whatever onkine method 
03:57:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Incluuding cashapp or crypto
03:58:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or bank transfers, atm deposits etc
03:58:33 <jollyboy[m]> maybe localmonero is the right way...
03:58:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> I use LM 
03:58:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yoi can just post a buy ad 
03:59:03 <jollyboy[m]> since no-kyc fiat to Monero is hard, I was thinking fiat > shitcoin > monero
03:59:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> posting a buy ad will get you better prices.
03:59:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Buying off of a seller, youll pay more 
03:59:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why? Buyers usually buy below market. So you can buy at market np
04:00:20 <jollyboy[m]> so if I go a shit coin like litecoin, I'll be tracked (probably)
04:00:26 <jollyboy[m]> a complicated world
04:00:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I only hold ltc long enough to swap it
04:01:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Idk where it csme from, or where it went, but it did its job and put xmr in my wallet 
04:01:33 <jollyboy[m]> yes! exactly, thats the point!
04:01:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> If i buy ltc and do that, vs if i buy xmr directly.. the exchange doesnt know anythinf other than "money disappeared"
04:01:48 <jollyboy[m]> thats what we want, xmr in your pocket
04:01:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep.
04:01:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> The ltc is gone. Poof
04:02:21 <jollyboy[m]> are you using cake or stack on a mac or mobile then?
04:02:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> if i buy xmr with withdraw, the xmr is "gone" too
04:02:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> jollyboy[m]: Mobile
04:02:45 <jollyboy[m]> what wallet are you using for ltc?
04:02:52 <jollyboy[m]> sure cake is not tracking users?
04:03:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> on mobile i actually use unstoppable wallet for ltc
04:04:02 <jollyboy[m]> is it open source?
04:04:08 <jollyboy[m]> no tracking confirmed?
04:04:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unstoppable is like trust wallet, but not scum. Doesnt include xmr, so its basicallly just my burner wallet
04:05:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
04:05:37 <jollyboy[m]> where doing you obtain the ltc?
04:05:45 <jollyboy[m]> in-wallet? external exchange?
04:06:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> personally i use a kyc service. But only if my localmonero buy ads are taking too long
04:07:10 <jollyboy[m]> i see...
04:07:24 <jollyboy[m]> I'm waiting on a kyc application now
04:08:07 <jollyboy[m]> exchange, sent to unstoppable, swap to xmr (using some thirdparty)
04:08:11 <jollyboy[m]> sound like a plan?
04:08:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> If kraken is cool in your state, theyre probably the best to kyc eith
04:08:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Since you can buy xmr directly 
04:08:31 <jollyboy[m]> wow
04:08:35 <jollyboy[m]> that would be great
04:09:13 <jollyboy[m]> pretty silly huh, talking all this litecoin stuff in the monero room
04:09:33 <jollyboy[m]> https://switchere.com/exchange/buy-litecoin
04:09:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its ok. Leads to monero
04:09:47 <jollyboy[m]> what do you thin of this? has 15k reviews on trust pilot?
04:10:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> for a kyc buying service? Or for an swap?
04:10:45 <jollyboy[m]> buying
04:11:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> bestchange.org
04:11:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also check reviews there
04:11:26 <jollyboy[m]> seems you need a login
04:11:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> I personally wouldnt give my id to some not-gonna-last business
04:11:53 <jollyboy[m]> thats a good point, yes
04:13:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> thats why i kycd with xyz company, and try to only use them for my kyc stuff.
04:14:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> but again, i dump my ltc right after i withdraw it. So i dont worry about stupid taxes about moving it
04:14:28 <jollyboy[m]> so, https://trocador.app/en/ is currently the best bet for a swap right?
04:14:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
04:15:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you setup a test swap youll see that it is an aggregator 
04:15:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> It finds the best rates out of swaps that are known to be good (and trocador rates them as far as what happens if you send them dirty coins)
04:16:06 <jollyboy[m]> great advice!
04:16:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> It also proxies your tx to the exchange, so even if the exchange doesnt support tor/i2p you can still use tor/i2p
04:17:04 <jollyboy[m]> this is so complicated, I'm going to lunch
04:19:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> just wait til you see btc.
04:20:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Really though, its simple if you "just do it" 
04:20:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even buying on localnonero can be a nice experience 
04:21:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> LocalMonero Official Group  they have a room as well and again - app is foss
04:21:52 <jollyboy[m]> yes I'll give it a try
04:22:03 <jollyboy[m]> use a few methods and see whats best
04:39:26 <AlmightyA> Are there any XMR P2P rooms on Libera?
04:51:33 <RavFX[m]> <AlmightyA> "Are there any XMR P2P rooms on..." <- The same rooms, linked, plus or less
05:12:41 <Alex|LocalMonero> jollyboy: you'll often get the best swap rates on LocalMonero, and there's zero risk of shotgun KYC (when the service takes your coins and doesn't process or refund your swap until you give them your ID)
05:17:39 <Alex|LocalMonero> jollyboy: check out this offer: https://localmonero.co/ad/buy-monero-cryptocurrency/dbbe9616-f608-491d-be96-16f608791dd0
05:18:18 <Alex|LocalMonero> It's only 1.19% above market price, compared to the 1.5%+ charged by instant swap services (which may also randomly shotgun KYC you)
05:18:54 <Alex|LocalMonero> And you'll be supporting the P2P economy, and it's more private.
07:38:32 <modul8[m]> seems down..not just you
07:42:23 <annwyn[m]> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: Hi there! I heard you stopped listing offers from Russia and locked out Russian IPs. Is that true?
08:06:45 <cockliuser[m]> localmonero thing seems really unfair but I guess its compliance with sanctions 
08:06:55 <cockliuser[m]> s/its/it's/
08:17:10 <annwyn[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "localmonero thing seems really..." <- So LM isn't a decentralized thing and has a body that must comply with sanctions?
08:20:08 <plowsof11> @annwyn #xmr.ru:matrix.org im sure will offer a method or alternative to obtain xmr 
08:24:56 <annwyn[m]> plowsof11: Cheers mate) I'll have to hugely improve my Russian though))
10:36:38 <modul8[m]> <annwyn[m]> "So LM isn't a decentralized..." <- its a company (centralized) what do you expect them to do?  cut their face off instead of their nose?
10:42:55 <annwyn[m]>  @modul8:matrix.org I somehow didn't realize they're a company. This explains everything.
10:44:30 <modul8[m]> :) 
10:46:27 <modul8[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "Haveno and serai can't arrive..." <- would people use it? has anyone been testing it? https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno
10:47:48 <modul8[m]> serai sounds great but we still need a way for fiat tranfers. also we need a proper decentralised marketplace
11:03:26 <modul8[m]> k4r4b3y[m]: i havnt been following the new one. its monero right not bitcoin?
11:05:16 <modul8[m]> may as well use ebay if its based on bitcoin again. https://github.com/openbazaar/openbazaar3-rust
11:06:25 <k4r4b3y[m]> modul8[m]: It is going to be monero and bitcoin
11:06:25 <k4r4b3y[m]> Tho bitcoin addition is really unnecessary, imo. Monero covers all the bases alone when it comes to crypto currency payments.
12:04:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate):  openbazaar? Or haveno?
12:04:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> (or both lol)
14:02:37 <sgp[m]> Cake Wallet arrives on Linux, including Tails, Whonix, Ubuntu, etc! More info: https://cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-arrives-on-linux/
14:22:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> jollyboy:  theres your linux
14:23:37 <cryptogrampy[m]> <sgp[m]> "Cake Wallet arrives on Linux..." <- very nice
14:28:37 <sgp[m]> <cryptogrampy[m]> "very nice" <- Thanks! We also made a flatpak due to popular demand :)
14:47:17 <toralien[m]> > Invalid DNSSEC TXT record signature for updates.moneropulse.org: validation failure <updates.moneropulse.org. TXT IN>: no keys have a DS with algorithm RSASHA256 from Invalid DNSSEC TXT record signature for updates.moneropulse.org: validation failure <updates.moneropulse.org. TXT IN>: no keys have a DS with algorithm RSASHA256 from
14:47:17 <toralien[m]> must i be worried?
14:57:35 <selsta> toralien[m]: is this your home ISP? VPS? VPN?
14:58:41 <toralien[m]> selsta: VPS
14:59:42 <toralien[m]> selsta: i also fixed the issue in the meanwhile now because it's just a dns thingy
15:00:20 <selsta> yes with some DNS weird DNSSEC related errors show up
18:52:57 <spackle_xmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/13fta7t/simulating_moneros_dynamic_blocks/
18:53:51 <spackle_xmr[m]> The simulation still needs a lot of work, but I think it is a decent illustration for now. I would welcome feedback.
19:13:04 <susman1[m]> are there any UK monero groups
20:54:59 <Alex|LocalMonero> https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard/weekly/53
20:56:25 <Alex|LocalMonero> <annwyn[m]> "Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk..." <- Yup. For now.
21:56:14 <philnthropic[m]> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12065277/WhatsApp-engulfed-privacy-firestorm-users-report-app-recording-SLEEP.html
21:59:39 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Stay away from anything the zuck touches
21:59:40 <Save_G[m]> there is no reason not to get everyone to use signal
21:59:40 <Save_G[m]> * get everyone in your circle to use
22:22:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> what os
22:23:19 <Save_G[m]> linux
22:23:33 <Save_G[m]> popos
23:01:37 <Alex|LocalMonero> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/13fzxj7/to_any_canadian_banned_from_binance_localmonero/