01:52:36 Damn it, I saw someone mention Zcash and I wanted to ask opinions 02:13:38 "Damn it, I saw someone mention..." <- Zcash is a good crypto 02:15:13 I'm not sure about the xmr community hate for it , it technically still better than most crypto out there 02:19:40 here is a quote from zooko of zcash, the tweet is around somewhere..... 02:19:49 "And by the way, I think we can successfully make Zcash too traceable for criminals like WannaCry, but still completely private & fungible." 02:20:10 so good lol 02:22:21 hahaha 02:22:23 man 02:22:29 nioc: Zcash has different privacy model than xmr 02:22:29 it still kept the privacy features but it can't be use for criminal activity 02:22:29 this is a good move for regulators 02:22:29 like tbh idc for xmr / zec , all i want is to have digital private payments 02:22:37 Pretty much like they don't understand. 02:23:32 But I am a criminal and so is Mochi101 02:23:35 mlcboss[m], just use fiat then 02:23:52 ++ nioc 02:24:25 Mochi101: i used fiat , but i don't like that is being traceable 02:24:26 and the fact my transaction data is shared by payment companies 02:24:51 so XMR? 02:25:07 You can't have partial anonymity 02:25:54 Ask nioc, I heard he was the biggest arms dealer in Vatican City. So he needs his privacy. 02:27:40 Mochi101: xmr is a good choice , zec is a backup choice 02:27:40 if xmr may have been strictly banned , zcash might be an option 02:27:40 xmr is delisted in my country , so i preferred getting 02:28:01 * xmr is a good choice , zec is a backup choice 02:28:01 if xmr may have been strictly banned , zcash might be an option 02:28:01 xmr is delisted in my country , so i preferred getting sent via zec 02:28:13 Delisted in your country? 02:29:40 xmr is "delisted" where I am and I have no issues using it, buying it or selling it 02:29:52 Mochi101: my country only allowed buy / sell in local exchanges (cause taxes lol) 02:29:52 they decided to remove xmr & torn in all exchanges due to ties on money laundering 02:30:51 Pools got destroyed by soi 02:32:04 I can even pay taxes on xmr trading profits 02:32:07 Xmr is persecuted 02:32:39 nioc: if i need to be sent money anonymously , i had to ask the sender to sent me the money in zec instead of other crypto 02:32:39 and i can easily convert to other crypto 02:32:39 xmr has been delisted & will be hard for user to get one 02:32:42 I can't remember your country nioc 02:33:07 New North Korea 02:33:16 Usa? 02:33:32 Y 02:33:37 Oh NNK 02:34:06 Thought so 02:34:19 I'm paranoid by nature... 02:35:09 Well with good reason... but I'm ruined I imagine every single thing I do is under a microscope because it's true 02:36:03 United Spies of America 🇺🇸 02:36:51 mlcboss[m], which country? 02:37:51 nioc: Is the new Red Star OS based on Android now? 02:39:04 I liked Monero cause I thought fluffy was a witness... and I Hate spying 02:39:06 :D 02:44:42 I'm pretty sure you're able and allowed to mine to subaddresses on hashvault for XMR, but figured I'd ask since I was here 02:47:39 Im in monero because of mcafee his words. Hope devs dont spoil the privacy😁 02:53:01 What was Elon all about.. confusing 03:34:07 where's the form to give fluffy p my info? that's how this works now, right? 04:27:15 Iza_menace yeah you gotta gib seed phrase and all personal documentifications with picture of you holding a picture of a picture of your state issued privacy passport and send to PrivatePonyFluffyPrivates⊙MPUCfc 07:01:48 "my blockchain had corrupted..." <- ofrnxmr: AFAIK the only thing you need to do to avoid corruption is add `--db-sync-mode=safe:sync` to your monerod startup options. 07:01:48 I've been using this switch for over a year and no corruption even if I hard rebooted my node on several occasions. It should really be the default, but it isn't... 07:02:55 Nah 07:03:13 Safe will kill your storage faster 07:04:38 Performs more writes due to windows messy shutdowns (to avoid corruption), but on posix systems "safe" is worse for storage because mac, linux etc typically shut down gracefully 07:05:20 Fast:async:1000000bytes is what i was recommended not non windows systems, and i ran for > 1year on android like that 07:05:28 With plenty of force closes 07:06:19 on windows, without sync-mode=safe, thr blockchain would have corrupted from the force closes /OOM many months ago 07:06:44 My personal corruption was likely a result of regularly running prerelease code 07:07:49 I'm on linux... had corruptions before I added the safe mode. Maybe it wears down my SSD a bit more but from experience, SSDs die way before the Wear Leveling Count goes to zero ;) 07:07:49 I'm willing to risk it! 07:08:15 try changing the fast value 07:09:01 example db-sync-mode=fast:async:2500000bytes 07:09:17 example db-sync-mode=fast:async:100blocks 07:10:55 When the blockchain corrupts, it has snapshots 07:11:09 not sure why that helps. the docs say: 07:11:09 The fast:async:* can corrupt blockchain database in case of a system crash. It should not corrupt if just monerod crashes. If you are concerned with system crashes use safe:sync. 07:11:18 Running db-salvage attempts to roll back to the last snapshot 07:11:29 Those docs are monerodocs 07:11:57 Third party interpretation 07:11:57 I had zero luck with db-salvage in the past... I had to re-sync so many times. now I'm playing it safe haha 07:11:59 Hyc knows bettrr 07:12:01 ofrnxmr[m]: I think? 07:12:27 I think dbsalvage might need to be run on the first launch after it corrupted 07:13:53 it's indeed from monerodcs 07:13:54 I'm interested in a definite answer on this 07:13:54 but am not willing to test it on my node instance 😅 07:14:11 One reason i avoid safe mode is because on android, termux node can uses SD cards 07:14:26 And those wear a lot faster 07:15:06 yeah, sure 07:15:06 but 99% of people are not running a node on Android.... 07:15:12 skeptdev[m]: > <@skeptdev:matrix.org> it's indeed from monerodcs 07:15:12 > I'm interested in a definite answer on this 07:15:12 > but am not willing to test it on my node instance 😅 07:15:12 I got fast:async:largenumber from hyc as ideal for all but windows 07:15:40 Flash storage is flash storage 07:16:11 Ssd has >10x the write cycles, but 3 years on an sd card at current vokume = 3 years on an ssd at 10x the volume 07:16:13 A modern SSD of decent quality can take quite a lot of writes... 07:16:29 Safe does quite a lot of writes 07:16:31 Safe rewrites stuff 07:16:44 morre 07:16:46 honestly I would never think of running a node on a SD card. this is crazy! 07:18:03 external ssd, sd card, same thing different amount of wear tolerance 07:21:44 A lot of devices dont support sd cards these days. Also works with external ssd or internal storage 07:22:21 speed is the biggest problem with sd cards. I run on internal now 07:26:53 "external ssd, sd card, same..." <- indeed. I looked up my stats. I have a Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1 TB. 07:26:53 Wear leveling count is at 92%. I have 88.46 TB written... 07:26:53 I think I'm still OK for a few more writes! 07:28:27 but really, I sure hope running a Monero node on a smartphone is not the main scenario... ! 07:28:40 Why not?! 07:28:41 Lol 07:29:23 because once synced, it costs literally no resources to keep running on a regular laptop or computer... 07:29:24 My android is much faster than most any computer "older computer" that others use for nodes 07:29:26 And much, much, much lower energy 07:30:00 a laptop uses signigicantly mlre power than a smartphone or tvbox 07:30:19 you can have an idle laptop, doing nothing 07:30:24 but sure. if you run your node on a phone, use the aync:fast mode, it'll probably save its life ;) 07:30:33 It uses much much mkre power than an android that is actively syncing 07:31:34 but if I had no desktop on 24/7 I would use a raspberry pi with a small external USB-connected SSD. very low-power too! 07:31:37 People run modes on pi's lacking hardware aes 07:31:41 ^ that is crazy 07:31:51 jinx 07:32:02 why does it matter? 07:32:03 Pis are a terrible choice 07:32:16 Same power drain as android, 100h/s efficiency 07:32:38 Hardware aes is needed for effienct syncing 07:32:45 I'm talking about running a node, not mining... 07:32:54 pi's are terrible bottlenecmed. 07:32:54 rockpro etc have aes 07:33:00 skeptdev[m]: Same thing 07:33:11 You need to verify everything 07:33:38 Pi's cannot verify anything quickly due to lack of hardware instructions / forced software emulation 07:34:48 And at the price of the newer ones, you can get a much faster android + a 1tb ssd 07:35:18 And get a backup phone for free 07:35:24 seems like you're splitting hairs. they still have a lot of room processing power wise 07:35:24 in the end, it depends on what you have on hand... 07:35:39 no 07:35:50 it takes weeks to sync a node on pi 07:35:55 they will RIP with volume 07:36:09 No aes = DOA aka hobby nonsense 07:36:21 well of course I would not sync a node on PI, I would sync on my laptop/desktop then copy it on the PI 07:36:40 It has to keep up 07:36:54 And it can right now 07:37:01 Barely 07:37:41 same thing with any low processing power device 07:37:41 I've run a node on a PI for a while without any issue. CPU was below 10%... Barely? IDK what you're talking about honestly... 07:37:51 I could probably find some numbers, but its probably doing like 1 block in 30 seconds 07:38:08 Aes ma: 07:38:12 Man* 07:38:31 Ask why is my pi at 10% and syncing over 2 weeks 07:38:45 Because its struggling and cant make use of the hardware 07:39:03 Monero rewuires hardware aes 07:39:38 just sync it on a faster AES-enabled machine then copy the chain onto it. 07:39:39 I had it running on a PI 4 model B (8 GB) BTW 07:40:34 right 07:40:51 And im saying they can barely keep up with current volume 07:41:16 time to sync 1 block at 300kb = way too long 07:41:38 falling behind 1 block all the time 07:42:49 If volume increases fro' 0.24 tx/sec to 7 tx/sec = rip all pi's that dont have aes 07:43:05 maybe you're right. I didn't monitor block sync time closely nor did I really care TBH. 07:43:38 Also Pis are overpriced af when it comes to processing power 07:44:02 A mobile phone will have more processing power for much less money 07:44:17 * A consumer phone nowadays will have more processing power for much less money 07:44:40 Again, rockpro etc are more viable, but we also have a bunch of issue reports for them not having proper power management 07:45:23 Right now, android makes some of the most powerful aarch64 devices, and because they have batteries you dont ever have to worry about power failures 07:49:48 "I think the question should be..." <- You perceive community as a group of people tired to a common physical location. In that case you would need to have enough privacy/security/anonymity aware people concentrated in that area that would opt-out from the traditional system to Monero. That won't happen in this stage. 07:49:49 If you but perceive community without being tied to physical location you have tons of communities using Monero already. 07:49:49 Take for example darknet markets and try to abstain from the judgement of what is sold there (the same what is sold for fiat already). These are large communities ready to take role in delivering goods and services traded today in clearnet for fiat like food, groceries, clothes or electronics. 07:49:49 These communities can be game changing life savers once shit hits the fan. 07:50:49 "Right now, android makes some of..." <- interesting. If I had no desktop server available I would definitely explore this! 07:51:29 thats why i did it :). No regrets 07:51:54 http://ofrnxmrqhjqb2zwl2zafkyv7cd52k5yrnivlu37mo7a7qsd4a3tva5id.onion:18089/get_info 07:51:54 its fast too 07:54:34 Youd never know she wasnt a desktop 07:56:53 ofrnxmr[m]: OK, it can sync a node, but don't compare it to a decent desktop with an AMD Ryzen 07:57:19 Not a newer one 07:57:35 900h/s on the high end 07:57:36 More than comparible to a lot of intels 07:57:46 And laptops 07:59:27 this is a pointless comparison... a barely optimized Ryzen 3900 does 12K H/s.... 07:59:41 My phone is from 2019? A p30 07:59:42 im sure newer devices kick more ass than mine 08:00:04 At 100+w 08:00:14 A p30 does 900h at sub 1w 08:00:23 probably closer to 10w 08:00:56 you should charge it to 100% and leave charged plugged to watt-meter, then try mining 08:01:02 *charger plugged 08:01:37 i havent measures at wall, but i dont use any chargers above 5w/1amp 08:01:59 i mistaked and said 1w instead if 1a 08:02:23 phones can get above 100 h/s/watt, but not much above that 08:02:32 so 900 h/s means 7-9 watts 08:03:21 Of course not top tier, but far from bottom 08:05:00 I mean.. it's above zero but I make about 1$ a day with 25-30K H/s. 08:05:00 I'd call 100H/s non-significant but it's all a matter of perspective I guess 08:05:24 100h/s/watt 08:05:52 Those are effiency numbers, not hashrates 08:06:10 sech1 what are the best numbers you know of right now? ~130h/s/w? 08:06:11 you have to take into account the cost of the device too 08:06:56 which is usually free for android 08:07:02 Yes, my 7950X did 130 h/s/w when I first tested undervolt. But it was with unoptimized memory timings and with GPU plugged in 08:07:11 Since its literally my old broken phone 08:07:16 it can go over 140 h/s/w without GPU and with optimized memory 08:08:34 I'm too lazy to test again, since it's running slightly overclocked now, so no undervolt 08:09:01 Yeah, np thanks 08:09:14 btw I measured at the wall 08:09:49 [2022-09-30T18:32:49.453Z] <@sech1> Ryzen 7950X running at 0.85V, 4.3 GHz all core: 18143 h/s, 140 watts at the wall = 129.6 h/J 08:10:03 this was when I just bought it, so it was even stock RAM and unoptimized xmrig 08:10:08 I added Zen4 optimizations later 08:11:46 sech1: my numbers are about 135W for 1900 h/s with my 5950x 08:11:46 optimized to the best of my abilities 08:12:17 19k*h/s? 08:12:36 s/1900/19K/ 08:12:58 so yes, 140 h/J is close to the limit of Ryzens 08:13:07 maybe 150 h/J if it's running without GPU 08:13:25 2x64 core AMD EPYC system can get more probably 08:13:34 my GPU added 15 watts 08:14:22 I did some numbers on epyc 7763 a few months ago 08:14:26 yeep 08:14:37 needs substation 08:14:38 for a prohibitive upfront cost 😬 gotta need it for something else already I guess 08:14:38 Dont remember them :) 09:17:20 "You perceive community as a..." <- > <@vergio:matrix.org>... (full message at ) 09:18:04 Having said that, I would expect from that geographically-concentrated community have the willingness to get out of their government controlled economy/monetary systme. 09:19:30 If even simply for the fact that they save money 09:19:41 yeah 09:19:55 And NGU.. adoption of scarce money means their money wont be losing value 09:20:14 I would like to see monero communities around the world, similar to how btc'ers try to foster such with bitcoin ekasi, bitcoin-this/-that , etc. 09:20:28 So the idea of vokitility is only reallt a problem when xmr is trader more than used 09:20:57 I actually have a community trying to convert 09:21:22 k4r4b3y[m]1: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> I would like to see monero communities around the world, similar to how btc'ers try to foster such with bitcoin ekasi, bitcoin-this/-that , etc. 09:21:22 > 09:21:22 if only btc wasn't such a shitcoin... all these efforts at getting the people to use it would be fruitful. 09:21:24 A lot of maxis by accident 09:21:37 Leaders gott them on btc but after talking to me realize they are making a mistake long term 09:22:01 And now they need to move ppl to xmr without losing confidence 09:22:19 "but... you said btc was the answer for years?" 09:22:49 the thing with btc'ers is that they have the story to shill: "number go up, hodl, and low time preference betterment of the society." however, simplistic this is, this sort of a story gets the ball rolling with local communities believing in that story and trying to adopt btc. 09:23:11 we need some monero-analog of that. 09:23:18 Then bam, youre using wallet of satoshi 09:23:46 * TrasherDK[m] uploaded an image: (47KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/blbSZLHHYGOpHddvsdMzQkEk/image.png > 09:24:07 "I mean.. it's above zero but I..." <- > <@skeptdev:matrix.org> I mean.. it's above zero but I make about 1$ a day with 25-30K H/s. 09:24:07 > I'd call 100H/s non-significant but it's all a matter of perspective I guess 09:24:07 70 H/s :) 09:24:09 Haha 09:24:13 now post that on kucoin 09:24:15 Sell it 09:24:20 And call it dero2 09:24:44 Dw. They can always do chain swaps when mainnet releases 🥳 09:24:51 I would suggest such a story for monero to be focused on freedom from government coercion, democratic self-governance of local communities, and ant-fragility to the govt-authoritarian measures (govt banning or payment processors banning firearms sales, or govt confiscating the canadian truckers' protestors, etc. etc.) 09:26:03 that sort of a story can fuel the many small communities (cities, neighborhoods, villages) under govt oppression, think Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, or heck, even EU and USA. 09:28:04 i dont even push any of that. Just "why do you use xyz. Ok well this is better" 09:28:08 "and cheaper" 09:28:18 once we got such a raison d'etre on the forefront, monero would attract more people's attention, and it would have more chance at getting adopted by local, meatspace communities. 09:28:34 currently many people know monero's story as the drug money. 09:29:06 which is fine by me, I am not doing a moral judgment, but I would like to see monero being adopted on the ground by the communities, too. 09:29:18 they only need to know monero as cost savings on money you dont have to dump 09:29:38 that's fine by me, too 09:30:01 whatever gets it going---so far as we don't pander to the governments' wish to trace monero 09:30:08 Like.. you need to constantly raise prices in fiat 09:30:10 so far as we don't give up the cypherpunk ideals 09:30:10 As a merchsnt 09:30:22 You can keep prices static or even lower them as adoption grows 09:31:50 What js 1xmr today at wally world, wont be 20xmr in 5 years if wally world stays using xmr 09:31:51 How do you keep a price static when cost of production varies? 14:09:37 hey hows it going lads 14:10:23 what is the most private way to get monero with fiat so no kyc 14:10:50 also low fees please, i dont wanna use localmonero 14:10:56 Localmonero 14:11:03 DAYM 14:11:03 Find a low fee merchant 14:11:09 ive been waiting for months 14:11:12 Millions must buy 14:11:15 these people are greedy 14:11:41 Other than localmonero, you should check if you have monero atms near your area 14:11:47 LOL 14:11:50 But they generally have some fees 14:12:10 monero atms? 14:12:13 never heard of that 14:12:32 The point is, buying monero in a completely anonymous way always going to cost more than buying on a CEX with KYC. 14:12:44 That doesn't mean you should use KYC CEX. 14:12:59 k4r4b3y[m]1: yeah i know this 14:13:03 But it does mean you should be understanding and patient with the anon xmr acquire fees. 14:13:16 rickandmortyisno: Check local bitcoin atms website 14:13:19 Google it 14:13:32 And pick the xmr atms option 14:14:27 right 14:14:33 rickandmortyisno: Other than that, mining is also the most private way to acquire monero, but it requires heavy up-front capital costs. 14:15:05 Depending on if you have a gaming pc or not 14:15:10 i dont 14:15:15 Me neithet 14:15:19 Neither* 14:15:42 is there not a way to buy another crypto with no kyc and change it for monero? is that road even worth exploring? 14:15:59 You can try to get btc or lts without kyc 14:16:11 And exchange them into xmr uaing trocador.app or orangefren.com 14:16:20 i heard the bitcoin fees are really bad though 14:16:22 Btc is shit with its tx fees btw 14:16:24 so is it even worth it 14:16:33 Probably not worth it with btc 14:16:37 Try ltc ? 14:16:46 I dunno. I buy from my localmonero dealer 14:16:53 No kyc. Acceptable fees. 14:16:54 yeah thats what i thought too, maybe another crypto would be better but which one lmao 14:17:27 k4r4b3y[m]1: fair 14:17:28 .scam 14:17:31 that's best coin 14:18:41 Yes monero 14:18:53 ? 14:18:59 Best coin 14:19:05 lol alright 14:19:17 Take care chuddie 😉 14:19:55 also the problem is that alot of the people selling want to use a payment option that requires KYC 14:20:25 I see that. And I avoid them. I support the no-kyc merchants. 14:20:40 right same 14:20:44 * right, same 14:21:57 god daym bro, how many more months, ive been looking at people prices in localmonero every day since November 2022 14:23:52 I guess the price is the price tben 14:24:07 Tyranny of the free market.. 14:25:11 alr thanks for the info 14:46:08 "god daym bro, how many more..." <- Problem? 14:46:46 "How do you keep a price static..." <- Battery died, ill follow up on this later on. A longer answer 14:59:44 "god daym bro, how many more..." <- If you can find a way that you can buy anonymously and low fee, then let me know 15:00:34 But yeah, i agree with you. Localmonero is too much 15:06:20 "also the problem is that alot of..." <- that's also because most payment options require kyc of some kind 15:06:33 hard to find ways to transfer cash outside of in person or mail that don't require identity verification 15:11:13 Localmonero is barely 2% off real price, not a big deal 15:11:49 if it's worst % than then then you need to onboard more people on localmonero 15:12:06 * on localmonero in you're location 15:13:17 Or 15:13:24 Binance price is bs 15:13:43 Id be super retarded to sell at binance prices 15:14:06 Just cuz binance decided to tell me "let us buy you out at 150". Yeah right 15:14:18 All market that have not enough volume have prices like that, to fix it, people have to use it more, more competition between makers close the gap, easy 15:14:29 But yeah, Binance do price supression too 15:14:37 You cant arb with binan Thry close withdrawals 15:15:36 so its impossible to properly stabalize 15:15:56 As soon as it gers "going" you can no longer arb 15:22:49 "Localmonero is barely 2% off..." <- yeah i was about to say 15:23:09 localmonero fees really aren't that bad compared to what i've seen on other p2p exchanges 15:25:23 It really depend of you're location 15:25:36 as it depend of the amount of makers competing 15:29:10 More makers close the spread, easy. 15:29:10 Best time to pump amount of makers in Localmonero was to lobby for it in localbitcoins (specially after the anounce that they will close). 15:55:22 I saw someone charging about $320/XMR on localmonero, that person had 3 trades, I guess that means there is not much competition around in my 'local' area 16:03:52 Means you ahould get on there and sell for 320 too 16:06:11 ofrnxmr[m]: how would i even set up selling on localmonero 16:08:36 Just open an account and deposit at least 0.35xmr 16:08:43 Pretty much the same as setting up a craistlist ad 16:09:07 s/craistlist/craigslist/ 16:09:31 "I saw someone charging about $32..." <- I can assure you that if you set close to market price you'll get a ton of clients 16:10:01 A seller can quickly get hundreds of trades starting from nothing as long as they are able to set a great price. 16:10:48 thats the only seller in their area 16:10:53 320 is market :D haha lolol 16:10:53 but yeah, if they sold at 250 theyd probably have 10x the sales 16:11:04 If they sold at 150 theyd be making no money but a ton of sales 16:13:39 and as a buyer, its super easy to buy at market. Anyone selling on cex has to take a hit. Not if they sell to me. I take the "hit" (which is a wash when i resell anyway) 16:17:17 "A p30 does 900h at sub 1w" <- my s10 does about 800H/s at 7W, or about 8W from the wall 16:18:12 I remember the huawei devices kicking ass and said "usa is just mad at those hashrates" 16:19:11 What sort of charger are you using? The stock one? 16:19:39 Try using a low power charger. Seems to work just fine and waste less energy and cause less heat 16:20:10 A 5v 1a charger 16:20:41 I have multiple. The most efficient is a 65W xiaomi one. The 7W where measured with a good USB power meter. Numbers are of the top of my head, +-10% tolerance 16:20:54 * my head, therefore assume +-10% tolerance 16:23:17 I'm having an issue with monero. Basically i'm developing a mining pool from scratch. I take the blocktemplate_blob and add the extra_nonce to it. When a miner finds a share, I also add the nonce. But when I try to submit it to daemon, it says that block doesn't have enough difficulty, because the hash computed by daemon is different from the xmrig-computed hash (which I check to be valid with calc_pow RPC method). Do you have any idea 16:23:18 what's the cause? I've controlled all the code many, many times but can't find the issue. 16:24:43 It's just weird that both the calc_pow RPC method and xmrig give one hash, while the daemon during verification gives another one. 16:25:58 jtgrassie: perhaps 16:26:27 blocktemplate_blob is what I need to give to xmrig as the blob, right? 16:29:05 Perhaps I somehow need to convert the blocktemplate_blob into the blockhashing_blob? 16:33:34 Jt, sech1: or xmrvsbeast perhaps 16:34:44 yes 16:34:51 and this "somehow" is not easy 16:34:59 you need to calculate merkle hash of all transactions 16:35:05 you can check p2pool source code 16:37:56 Thank you sech1 16:41:42 i have to rewrite a fat chunk of cryptonote protocol just to convert blocktemplate_blob into blockhashing_blob :( 16:44:42 "A seller can quickly get..." <- Even if he doesn't.. In my country is annoying to buy at localmonero ..there are like 6 sellers and even when I agree paying up to 10% over the marker price they just cancel the trade after hours waiting even though they appear online in the ads! Annoying! 16:46:11 fernandu00[m]: What region is it, if you don't mind me asking? Have you posted buy offers or just responded to sellers' offers? 16:56:29 "What region is it, if you don'..." <- Brazil..I have buying ads too but no luck with that 16:57:07 fernandu00[m]: Are you a member of the MoneroBR group? 17:00:35 Alex|LocalMonero: I'm in a monero group ..don't know if it's The group 17:02:12 fernandu00[m]: Ah, yes, I see your message there. 17:02:59 Brazil is still a developing market for us and XMR awareness in general. 17:03:03 Alex|LocalMonero: Sent just in case ..lots of politics there ..I don't participate much 17:05:41 Alex|LocalMonero: Yeah I've started learning about XMR recently.. Not many people here know about monero but I have the feeling we might need it in the next couple years.. So localmonero is gonna be a great deal for us ..IMHO 18:21:19 Localmonero have only one issue, they obey western bullies. 18:21:19 We need something similar that live in some non aligned countries that can support customer from all countries. 18:21:46 * all countries, Without exception. 18:24:13