00:57:58 <Capybara[m]> This might be stupid, but is there a way to send monero without internet?
01:01:10 <mlcboss[m]> Capybara[m]: > <@capybara:projectsegfau.lt> This might be stupid, but is there a way to send monero without internet?
01:01:10 <mlcboss[m]> > 
01:01:10 <mlcboss[m]> exchange private keys , i have seen bitcoin giftcards 
01:01:41 <Capybara[m]> how
01:01:43 <mlcboss[m]> Capybara[m]: > <@capybara:projectsegfau.lt> This might be stupid, but is there a way to send monero without internet?
01:01:43 <mlcboss[m]> > 
01:01:43 <mlcboss[m]> or use an xmr atm
01:01:46 <Capybara[m]> ?
01:02:15 <Capybara[m]>  * how?
03:33:40 <mlcboss[m]> <Capybara[m]> "how" <- the sender give you a printed private key which you can withdrew later on if you have internet 
03:33:40 <mlcboss[m]> but you totally need to trust that person to not stole your xmr before you can withdrew it 
03:33:40 <mlcboss[m]> it's the same scena
03:41:39 <mlcboss[m]> scenario as giftcards & cash 
10:55:53 <cockliuser[m]> Does anyone know if Monerujo's Sidekick is functional?
10:58:48 <cockliuser[m]> Or any updates/news about it
11:23:49 <nsaunders> I'm using the cli wallet and am looking to sync the daemon.  To my recollection, rather than downloading the blockchain, there's an alternate way to connect which doesn't require storage?
11:47:57 <nsaunders> it's at 1% sync.  I don't have the space or network to download the other 99% of the blockchain.  Surely there's a work-around?
12:07:17 <anarkiocrypto[m]> You can use a remote node: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1401/how-do-i-connect-monero-wallet-cli-to-a-remote-node List here: https://monero.fail/
12:20:49 <TrasherDK[m]> nsaunders:  You could use `--bootstrap-daemon-address`... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6bd01edcea722758b80a94dcc2b92c27f2a7d780>)
13:41:31 <nicky1086[m]> Buy google accounts, telegram accounts and ebooks at https://moneromarket.io/u/nicky1086/
16:36:19 <ecstasy8[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Tor over vpn is good, but vpns..." <- VPN can help against ISP logging maybe...
16:42:30 <RavFX[m]> ecstasy8[m]: Localmonero.co
16:42:30 <RavFX[m]> cash->Monero
16:46:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cash > monero
16:48:27 <Tremor[m]> <RavFX[m]> "Localmonero.co..." <- > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Localmonero.co
16:48:27 <Tremor[m]> > cash->Monero
16:48:27 <Tremor[m]> Speaking of. How do you go about mailing the cash (in the USA)? Do you get a USPS priorty flat rate box/envelope and then hiding the cash in a magazine or newspaper or something?
16:48:53 <Tremor[m]> I would imagine a basic envelope with a stamp wouldn't be safe/smart
16:50:20 <RavFX[m]> No idea, Probably basic envelope with the cash in folded sheets. tracked.
16:50:20 <RavFX[m]> In Localmonero, I can pay for buying Monero with cash at most convenient stores. Never used the "cash by mail option"
16:51:50 <Tremor[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> No idea, Probably basic envelope with the cash in folded sheets. tracked.
16:51:50 <Tremor[m]> > 
16:51:50 <Tremor[m]> > In Localmonero, I can pay for buying Monero with cash at most convenient stores. Never used the "cash by mail option"
16:51:50 <Tremor[m]> "most convenient stores" what option is this?
16:52:58 <nioc> there might be a description for mailing cash on the LM site
16:53:17 <nioc> the traders will usually have instructions as well
16:53:42 <RavFX[m]> Tremor[m]: bank deposit
16:53:42 <RavFX[m]> In most latin america you can deposit cash into people bank account from most convenient store
16:54:15 <RavFX[m]> No porn asked, totally anon
16:54:37 <Tremor[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> bank deposit
16:54:37 <Tremor[m]> > In most latin america you can deposit cash into people bank account from most convenient store
16:54:37 <Tremor[m]> No info needed? Just walk up and say, "Hey, I have $xxx and I want to deposit into John Doe's account with account # 133769420 ?"
16:55:12 <RavFX[m]> Tremor[m]: Yeah
16:55:12 <RavFX[m]> deposit 10000 in 1234 1234 1234 1234 (card number)
16:55:33 <Tremor[m]> Thats slick
17:01:13 <ecstasy8[m]> Deposit? 
17:01:54 <ecstasy8[m]> Meeting a person is so inconvenient and unanonymous 
17:03:03 <ecstasy8[m]> Deposit kind of sucks
17:03:22 <ecstasy8[m]> I hope there is a way to just mail on localmonero ...
17:13:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can mail on LM, but ive never done it
17:14:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure how to do it without trust. How hard to prove what was in the envelope if they dispute? I dont know
17:15:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> LocalMonero Official Group  might have more answers
17:21:23 <ecstasy8[m]> You just would progressively establish trust! I found a mail person on LM :)
17:22:14 <ecstasy8[m]> lol and they linked a money manifesto at the bottom of their terms xD
17:23:29 <ecstasy8[m]> <RavFX[m]> "Localmonero.co..." <- > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Localmonero.co
17:23:29 <ecstasy8[m]> > cash->Monero
17:23:29 <ecstasy8[m]> thx 
17:33:09 <nsaunders> TrasherDK[m]: thx
17:33:32 <nsaunders> anarkiocrypto[m]: thx
18:15:00 <k4r4b3y[m]1> would anyone be interested in developing a flarum forum extension for Monero payments per user registry/posting ? https://discuss.flarum.org/d/32884-monero-payment-method-for-user-registrations
18:15:17 <k4r4b3y[m]1> PHP devs wanted.
19:09:03 <anarkiocrypto[m]> MoneroIntegrations would work (based on view keys) or Xmrchain API (based on TX keys).
19:09:03 <anarkiocrypto[m]> MoneroIntegrations code is here: https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerowp/blob/master/include/class-monero-gateway.php and https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerowp/blob/master/include/class-monero-explorer-tools.php. It's designed for WooCommerce but you can copy the relevant payment validation code.
19:09:03 <anarkiocrypto[m]> (For TX key validation, I wrote this: https://codeberg.org/anarkio/vendo/src/branch/main/src/func/monero_api.php but my code is messy. You only really need this: https://xmrchain.net/api/outputs?txhash=TXID_HERE&address=ADDRESS_HERE&viewkey=TX_KEY_HERE&txprove=1)
19:10:44 <k4r4b3y[m]1> thanks anarkio, I will check them out.
20:28:14 <nsaunders> I ran monero-wallet-cli --daemon-address node.moneroworld.com:18089   and now it's saying   Height 77337 / 2890240        about how much data is that?  I have a slow connection and not much hd space.
20:32:48 <lza_menace> nsaunders: not much data on your disk, but it will take a while to sync up. several hours in the least
20:38:39 <side-trips[m]> Is the the mailing list kill? I keep getting server error when I try to sub.
20:41:40 <nsaunders> lza_menace: thx.  and is that like a one-time thing?  Can I connect my daemon to that remote node somehow?
20:42:20 <nsaunders> Height 130365 / 2890249
21:46:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://monero.observer/foundation-devices-engineer-proposes-bounties-passport-hardware-wallet-monero/
21:46:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Anyone that has passport looked at this?
22:21:32 <side-trips[m]> Am I right to assume running two moneronodo machines = more stability therefore more anonymity? Or am I in the wrong ballpark altogether?
22:29:20 <r4v3r23[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/388
22:29:42 <r4v3r23[m]> anyone interested in support monero's android ecosystem - drop a comment here in support of this CCS
22:30:42 <nsaunders> how would connect the daemon so that it's using a remote node?
22:44:05 <Rucknium[m]> side-trips: I don't see the logic. Probably it's worse: "Oh this IP address has two nodes running. Only side-trips does that, so we know it's them."
22:45:08 <saunders> You don't need a full node just for a wallet?
22:46:17 <Rucknium[m]> saunders: No. You don't _need_ it. For better privacy and security, it's better to run your own node.
22:46:54 <saunders> 🙏
22:51:58 <side-trips[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "side-trips: I don't see the..." <- this is what I was afraid of actually, thank you for confirming
22:58:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can do this locally
22:58:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I do.
23:07:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> A bunch of reasons. But hosting multiple on the same network doesnt make much sense.
23:07:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> * the same public network doesnt
23:08:40 <lza_menace> nsaunders: you will always have to sync up to get wallet balances and be able to publish/broadcast txes. but the next time you run the wallet it will continue where it last was
23:14:41 <nsaunders> thx lza_menace
23:21:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youre mixing up wallet and daemon
23:22:05 <nsaunders> pls explain 
23:22:33 <nsaunders> I would like the daemon to automatically pull from a remote node.  That's not possible?
23:23:04 <nsaunders> ofrnxmr[m]: but I certainly don't require a full node
23:23:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Daemon = node 
23:23:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> node = sync, validate and share the blockchain
23:23:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> blockchain = storage of all tx
23:24:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> This - the daemon/node, is a "server"
23:24:37 <nsaunders> when a wallet uses a remote node, what's being stored locally?
23:25:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> only the wallets inputs 
23:26:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> A node does not know what tx belong to you, so you receive the entire block, and the wallet looks thriugh the block for transactions that belong to you.
23:26:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> What isnt yours, is discarded 
23:27:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Syncing a wallet with a remode daemon can USE a lot of traffic, but will not store vero much at all
23:27:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> very* much
23:50:56 <gingeropolous> oh noes. tryin to sync with --fast-sync 0 and Height: 1242187/1242187
23:51:11 <gingeropolous> lets see if the daemon can fix itself
23:56:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <ofrnxmr[m]> "You can do this locally" <- same, run vpn connect to node with stack or cake with tls connect wut wut!