00:08:56 <nsaunders> selsta: thx
00:08:57 <nsaunders> Error: refresh failed: unexpected error: proxy exception in refresh thread. Blocks received: 0
02:49:55 <gingeropolous> wrong version methinks
04:19:37 <Capybara[m]> Hi I'm using cake wallet, and I'm connected to the cake wallet node and why it takes so long to sync?
04:20:39 <Capybara[m]> And I'm still syncing 
04:21:52 <Capybara[m]> I have a good connection and I tried different nodes, still slow
05:35:01 <TrasherDK[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "KISS..." <- > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> KISS
05:35:02 <TrasherDK[m]> > use the official releases
05:35:02 <TrasherDK[m]> So, what is the official release?
06:19:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero-project/monero
06:20:33 <TrasherDK[m]> Aha, npm i monero-project/monero, right?
06:22:09 <TrasherDK[m]> Or do I need ti install node++ first?
06:26:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Need wownero
07:12:56 <hv-bridge> <ERROR> Stop
09:39:38 <Indigenz[m]> https://blog.keyst.one/on-open-source-and-transparency-ba37fa1c1e8c
09:39:50 <Indigenz[m]> What do you folks think of this?
11:12:31 <TrasherDK[m]> Wasted another day on monero-javascript 🤬
11:12:37 * TrasherDK[m] uploaded an image: (10KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/ObYoMBHKybCtYRQXgccjwFau/image.png >
11:18:15 <Indigenz[m]> * https://blog.keyst.one/on-open-source-and-transparency-ba37fa1c1e8c
11:18:15 <Indigenz[m]> What do you folks think of this?
12:10:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cors enabled?
12:12:55 <TrasherDK[m]> Browsers suck at internet stuff.
12:13:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yest
12:14:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> CORS
12:14:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Should give you a reason
12:14:42 <TrasherDK[m]> Enabling TLS on the daemon enabled the next error to surface.
12:15:30 <TrasherDK[m]> The CORS error is just a generic error message, meaning I didn't get a response.
12:17:06 <TrasherDK[m]> The javascript is http://1.2.3.4:34567/json_rps and the browser translates thet into http://1.2.3.4:34567/json_rps for some reason.
12:17:21 <TrasherDK[m]> *https
12:20:05 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Https always on in browser?
12:22:45 <TrasherDK[m]> The webserver is running on http://localhost:9100 but monerod is on a remote IP. So no matter what, I get mixed protocol.
12:24:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So node is http or https?
12:25:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Which proxy/webserver?
12:25:25 <TrasherDK[m]> Well, I enabled autodetect and the self-signed certs.
12:25:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Your node? With self signed?
12:26:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe the browser doesnt trust the cert.
12:30:55 <TrasherDK[m]> The certs are generated by `monerod`... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/80e4c57f0459ef4af502c4ed3548da047e6e5c21>)
12:31:42 <TrasherDK[m]> The current hurdle is in monero-javascript
13:46:00 <TrasherDK[m]> I have a feeling, webpack is fucking shit up, or I just don't understand webpack.
13:58:54 <plowsof11> #monero-community-dev:monero.social woodser usually assists there TrasherDK (if this is a monero-js issue?)
14:57:55 <dcmeans7[m]> What are the best blogs/substacks/medium accounts about privacy or security or open source importance
15:03:34 <side-trips[m]> Sethforprivacydotcom? 
15:08:30 <side-trips[m]> Security is a tough one... Everything turns into a scam usually lol
15:35:31 <duck[m]> What is the best way to help the network with an old computer?
15:37:40 <duck[m]> I did try to run a node, but on an HDD it takes forever to sync
15:41:17 <nioc> once it syncs it should be able to keep up without problem
15:42:11 <Tremor[m]> <dcmeans7[m]> "What are the best blogs/..." <- TrasherDK:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fc5587cdf5b316bb30e241a25a25e87dde3c7355>)
15:43:30 <nioc> running a node to help the network means you will keep it on 24/7 so just turn it on and let it sync for a week or so
15:44:26 <nioc> not sure how long it takes to sync a HDD nowadays, my SSD took 10hrs 
15:45:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> How old is old? I was looking at >1month on hdd
15:45:03 <Tremor[m]> Tremor[m]: https://watchmanprivacy.com/
15:45:21 <duck[m]> nioc: Thanks for the suggestion. I will just let it sync 24/7 
15:45:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Processor model is __
15:45:32 <plowsof11> an old raspberry pi model B 
15:45:58 <r4v3r23[m]> <side-trips[m]> "Sethforprivacydotcom?..." <- no, dont take privacy/security tips from a naive influencer type
15:46:18 <duck[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: idk 
15:46:21 <r4v3r23[m]> seth doesnt understand adversarial thinking, just buzzwords
15:46:21 <Tremor[m]> Tremor[m]: https://support.mysudo.com/hc/en-us/articles/12421357652251-Privacy-Files-Podcast-Check-it-out-
15:46:37 <duck[m]> its really dusty
15:46:40 <xfedex[m]> <side-trips[m]> "Sethforprivacydotcom?..." <- Ahhh, you named a very unpopular blog
15:46:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bring solutions, not problems
15:47:30 <duck[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I have to check that
15:47:34 <Tremor[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Care to elaborate. I'm interested! Not to bash you or Seth. Just wanna hear an example.
15:47:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> * if you bring problems, bring solutions*
15:48:03 <plowsof11> duck you seem new? when did you find out about this Monero thing? you want to support the network already if recent? thats nice 
15:48:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think ive seen duck around for a few months
15:48:31 <r4v3r23[m]> he just jumps on bandwagons for whatever will get him more likes. he doesnt know what its like to need serious privacy, he. just parrots information
15:48:47 <r4v3r23[m]> s/.//
15:49:07 <plowsof11> did i just get rick rolled by "idk its dusty" 
15:49:12 <duck[m]> plowsof11: 🤎
15:49:40 <duck[m]> I still have a lot to learn
15:50:24 <duck[m]> plowsof11: Im not at the farm now
15:50:29 <nioc> I recently de-dusted my comps
15:51:15 <nioc> but yeah an old comp with a weak non-AES processor can take a very long time to sync 
15:51:23 <xfedex[m]> Tremor[m]: He is unpopular in the Monero community because in practice he got hired by a Bitcoin-centric company, and left Monero for Bitcoin, starting to promote the company's privacy tools - which are less private than Monero, slower, and more expensive
15:52:17 <nioc> monero maximalists  :D 
15:52:42 <plowsof11> there is no second best 
15:53:05 <Tremor[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Do you know of someone better to follow? I think any information helps, even though Seth may have flaws, he still gives good insight and knowledge. Just leave it to the user to interpret.
15:53:20 <xfedex[m]> nah, monero is the second best
15:53:32 <xfedex[m]> it will never reach wownero's levels :)
15:53:55 <chch3003[m]> xfedex[m]: Not funny
15:53:57 <Tremor[m]> xfedex[m]: Seth gave an "explanation" to why. But it does seem like he's following the money.
15:54:45 <chch3003[m]> He will come back to Monero at some point
15:54:56 <nioc> he hasn't left
15:54:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> "promote the companies privacy tools"
15:55:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Proceeds to have work done on a monero hw wallet
15:55:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ty nioc
15:55:37 <Tremor[m]> He's right in saying that the majority is on bitcoin, and eventually ppl will look to alternatives like monero, but he wanted to make bitcoin better as thats where most people start.
15:55:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Make btc better?
15:56:10 <nioc> a Trojan horse
15:56:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> He went and sold enough nonsense to maxis to add monero to the passport wallet
15:57:06 <Tremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Sorry, not better. Make privacy tools for bitcoin some how.
15:57:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> "fuck seths wallet"
15:57:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> okie. Go use yur ledger 
15:57:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tremor[m]: By adding monero support 
15:57:51 <monerobull[m]> I've followed ofrn
15:57:57 <monerobull[m]> And made a tails offline wallet
15:58:02 <monerobull[m]> Fuck ledger
15:58:26 <Tremor[m]> monerobull[m]: In persistent storage? Or how does that work in tails?
15:58:35 <monerobull[m]> Yeah
15:59:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> What company does he work for: foundation
15:59:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> what does foundation do: build a hw wallet
15:59:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> what has happens since seths arrival: hes sold wallets to maxis and then worked to add monero support 
15:59:27 <monerobull[m]> 180€ for 2 mini office PCs > ~250€ for a passport that doesn't even have Monero support yet
16:00:34 <monerobull[m]> I don't love the inter ME bs but only the feds would know how to use that to steal my coins and i don't think I'm that important 
16:00:42 <monerobull[m]> s/inter/intel/
16:01:02 <Tremor[m]> monerobull[m]: Yet...
16:01:03 <nioc> 90 euro dollars for a mini office PC?
16:01:54 <monerobull[m]> Lol, better the feds having to come and take my PC than just ask ledger for my keys 😂
16:02:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah
16:03:14 <monerobull[m]> Does tails cripple ME?
16:03:18 <monerobull[m]> It for sure disables something during boot but it's booting so fast i couldn't read it
16:03:56 <Tremor[m]> monerobull[m]: Isnt it basically a micro computer? So if it's on it could read all CPU actions and "steal" info?
16:04:34 <monerobull[m]> It's built in as part of your CPU yeah
16:05:04 <monerobull[m]> I think it could be used to extract cryptographic keys and store them where the bios is saved
16:05:12 <xfedex[m]> monerobull[m]: Afaik no
16:05:24 <xfedex[m]> you need to install a different BIOS
16:05:27 <xfedex[m]> not sure tho
16:05:53 <xfedex[m]> your best bet is to use an old computer
16:05:59 <xfedex[m]> 15 years old should be enough
16:06:14 <monerobull[m]> I'll just take it as a fact that my seed will only stay safe as long as I have control over the machine an never plug in any sort of networking or storage 
16:06:59 <monerobull[m]> Also never use the tails USB on anything but that specific machine
16:08:09 <r4v3r23[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "What company does he work for..." <- > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> What company does he work for: foundation
16:08:09 <r4v3r23[m]> > what does foundation do: build a hw wallet
16:08:09 <r4v3r23[m]> > what has happens since seths arrival: hes sold wallets to maxis and then worked to add monero support 
16:08:09 <r4v3r23[m]> he hasnt done shit to add monero support
16:08:12 <monerobull[m]> Fun fact, some gaming mice have some storage on them to transfer game configs so watch out you don't use those on your air gapped machines 😅
16:09:10 <r4v3r23[m]> anyone here know jetpack compose?
16:22:26 <k4r4b3y[m]1> <monerobull[m]> "I don't love the inter ME bs but..." <- Get a thinkpad x230 and coreboot that
16:22:31 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Glowie-proof
16:23:24 <k4r4b3y[m]1> <monerobull[m]> "Does tails cripple ME?" <- It doesn't. You need to flash coreboot into your bios chip for that.
16:24:13 <jason> quit
16:28:48 <monerobull[m]> Bridgerton 
16:28:50 <monerobull[m]> Ok
17:00:14 <monerobull[m]> Test 
17:01:15 <duck[m]> monerobull[m]: yo
17:01:54 <monerobull[m]> For some reason 
17:02:07 <monerobull[m]> Nah seems like it stopped working just now
17:03:42 <monerobull[m]> Why does bridgerton still work but the server is 404
17:12:43 <monerobull[m]> Huh. Back up
17:13:06 <monerobull[m]> Why would my webserver restart after pulling a fan from the machine 
17:24:52 <merope> Maybe you moved something and caused a crash/reboot?
17:26:38 <nsaunders> The New York Times reviewer Bosley Crowther called Zero Hour! an "exciting contemplation of a frightening adventure in the skies" based on a "good terse script ... Dana Andrews as the hero and Sterling Hayden as the captain are first-rate in these roles, keeping them hard and unrelenting."[7] Time magazine, however, called the script a "bloopy inflation of a 1956 television show" and said its "moral struggle comes off fairly well, but th
17:26:38 <nsaunders> e general situation is as patently contrived as one of Walter Mitty's daydreams."[8]
17:26:38 <nsaunders> In 1971, the film was remade as a made-for-television movie, Terror in the Sky, a Movie of the Week special with Doug McClure in the Ted Stryker role (renamed George Spencer, as in the original).[9] Zero Hour! was also used as the basis for the parody film Airplane! (1980). Because Zero Hour! was owned at the time by Paramount Pictures, the makers of Airplane!, also a Paramount feature, were able to use the screenplay almost verbatim, in
17:26:38 <nsaunders> cluding the hero again being named Ted Striker.[10]
17:26:50 <nsaunders> sorry
17:32:55 <nsaunders> Error: refresh failed: unexpected error: proxy exception in refresh thread. Blocks received: 0
17:33:41 <nsaunders> anything I can do aside from just trying different proxy nodes?  I'm expecting a transfer.
17:34:45 <Rucknium[m]> nsaunders: What software version are you using?
17:38:56 <nsaunders> oh, an old one I think.  If you're suggesting to update, then that might make sense.  Oxygen, I think, is the version.
17:41:06 <nsaunders> more of a Linux question, but apt says that monero is the latest version monero is already the newest version (0.17.2.0+~0+20200826-1ubuntu4).
17:41:14 <Rucknium[m]> nsaunders: Your wallet cannot work if you are using version 0.18, Flourine Fermi. Unless for some reason you want to see what is happening on the old "dead" chain that the August 2022 hard fork left behind
17:41:47 <Rucknium[m]> I meant it cannot work if you are not using 0.18
17:41:54 <Rucknium[m]> You must use 0.18
17:42:20 <nsaunders> I understand.  On Ubuntu, would you have a suggestion?  A particular snap or flatpak wallet?
17:42:20 <lza_menace> latest not available on apt nsaunder, gotta download latest binaries from getmonero.org or github.com/monero-project/monero/releases
17:42:32 <nsaunders> lza_menace: thx
17:42:32 <lza_menace> nsaunders*
17:42:57 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof: Need to reset the counter to 0.
17:54:34 <plowsof11> They report their issues, seeking some aid,
17:54:34 <plowsof11> But they're met with laughter, I'm afraid.
17:54:34 <plowsof11> "What version?" they ask, trying not to smirk,
17:54:34 <plowsof11> And the answer's 17.2, they go berserk.
17:56:12 <plowsof11> nsaunders: the GUI is on flatpak https://flathub.org/apps/org.getmonero.Monero
17:57:38 <geonic> :)
18:04:37 <saunders> Well, maybe not berserk.  More like disappointed and frustrated.  Appreciate the help, though.  Else I'm just dumbly trying to sync with understanding of why it's been failing.
18:13:16 <nsaunders> run/user/1000/doc/abc123/foo.keys is opened by another wallet program.  I've uninstalld the apt monero, as it's out of date, and am only using the GUI from flatpak.  I can reboot again, but perhaps there's a daemon to stop or something?
18:18:48 <plowsof11> you mention trying "proxy nodes" - so i assume you have no local monerod running 
18:19:24 <plowsof11> rebooting would be fine then if thats the easiest for you
18:29:08 <lza_menace> nsaunders maybe your cli wallet still running in another tab or terminal window?
18:29:31 <lza_menace> `ps aux | grep monero` maybe will show it?
18:42:01 <merope> nsaunders: btw, how did you stumble on v17?
18:49:20 <HiV> the hell is a house horse
19:45:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sus
19:53:47 <lza_menace> merope: outdated package in apt repos  https://irc.cloud.lzahq.tech/uploads/b7f83b0f6b899859/image.png 
19:55:49 <merope> oh, right
20:10:35 <gingeropolous> ugh. Height: 2194287/2194287 (100.0%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 1.33 GH/s, v12 (next fork in 21.8 days)
20:11:04 <gingeropolous> do I have to intervene, or will the daemon realize its eclipsed?
20:11:11 <gingeropolous> its been on this height for hours now
20:12:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I had to restart my node with some exclusives and pop off some blocks
20:13:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Preferrably before they ban you
20:14:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> also deleted p2pstate.bin so id grab new peers from my exclusive peer
20:14:26 <TrasherDK[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Also never use the tails USB..." <- Well then. How do you get Tails onto the USB, when "never plug in any sort of networking or storage" ?
20:14:59 <monerobull[m]> >After you create the wallet
20:15:22 <monerobull[m]> Download tails, verify the download, put tails on USB
20:15:46 <monerobull[m]> Download feather, disconnect internet 
20:16:01 <monerobull[m]> Only ever connect the tails USB to the offline pc
20:16:19 <monerobull[m]> And never connect the tails USB to any other PC 
20:18:44 <monerobull[m]> TrasherDK[m]: It's only after you've generated the wallet that you have to be extremely careful 
20:26:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is a guide on getmonero.org
20:26:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> For creating airgapped wallets
20:27:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> (ignore/dont click the link for moneroaddress.org though. Use moo's github link)
20:28:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/securely_purchase.html
21:26:19 <nsaunders> merope: apt has v17, so it's the package that's out dated.
21:27:28 <nsaunders> lza_menace: nah, I tried that.  Oh, forgot to use ps.  I eventually just entered my seed string into the GUI again for a different wallet.
21:28:13 <nsaunders> when the GUI finishes its sync for this wallet, would it have to do that entire process again for each wallet?  Using remote nodes with the GUI
21:33:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just do it bro
21:36:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> entire process like fail to restore? 
21:36:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> depends if you rebooted or are just asking to ask
21:36:46 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "(ignore/dont click the link..." <- why not use moneroaddress.org  link?  something wrong with that link?
21:36:50 <nsaunders> I didn't reboot.  Asking to understand, should I run into this sort of thing again.
21:39:14 <fr33_yourself[m]> oh... I followed the link and it led to mymonero LMAO
21:41:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah, sus af
21:41:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> "how to create a paper wallet" > use view key service lmao
21:42:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Used to link to mooo's paper wallet generator 
21:42:21 <fr33_yourself[m]> have people audited or eyeballed moneromoo's generator
21:42:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
21:42:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Resd it ffs loo
21:42:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> It says right on it and in the repo
21:42:56 <fr33_yourself[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah wtf happened lol. I remember that moneroaddress. org used to direct to Moo's program
21:43:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yea. The url was lost somehow 🤷‍♂️
21:43:38 <fr33_yourself[m]> meaning moneromooo paper handed the url to fluffyponi?
21:43:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
21:44:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whoever was payinf might have just not paid
21:44:03 <fr33_yourself[m]> then how did moo lose control of that url
21:44:09 <fr33_yourself[m]> ahhh
21:44:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or hoster changed terms and wanted id now or something, who knows
21:44:19 <fr33_yourself[m]> and moo may not have even been the individual paying for it
21:44:39 <fr33_yourself[m]> it makes more sense to me now. thanks big brain ofrnxmr
21:45:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> But yeah, the github link is good and verifiable 
21:47:03 <fr33_yourself[m]> I wish TAILS devs would integrate feather wallet or the GUI super easily. Would make TAILS even more overpowered as a plug and private OS
21:49:23 <fr33_yourself[m]> what do incoming connections versus outgoing connections mean for a monero node?
21:49:57 <fr33_yourself[m]> Also, I wonder when we will get more details surrounding the exploit from untrusted remote nodes
22:05:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> <fr33_yourself[m]> "what do incoming connections..." <- Poor connectivity 
22:06:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> You either let people come to you and drop off blocks
22:06:10 <fr33_yourself[m]> I mean what does an incoming connection mean    and    what does an outgoing connection mean
22:06:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or you go around to the only houses with unlocked doors 
22:06:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> The direction that the connection is initiated 
22:07:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its like having signal
22:07:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you never tell anyone your phone number, you have to message them first
22:08:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> outgoing connections ^ 
22:08:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Incoming connections = everyone that has your phone number can contact you
22:08:59 <fr33_yourself[m]> isn't having incoming connections a good thing for bolstering the network?
22:09:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
22:09:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Ports blocked?
22:09:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not having leads to mass centralizations on vps
22:09:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I have a brazillion in incoming
22:09:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because most large nodes are on vps (seed nodes, mining pools, community trusted nodes etc)
22:10:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> If ONLY the aforementioned had incoming open, they would be a central "hub" for all blocks to pass through
22:10:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 outgoing-only nodes cant talk to one another
22:11:30 <fr33_yourself[m]> I see how that could be problematic. makes better sense now
22:11:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> best is if everyone had incoming open, even if limited 
22:12:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I usually limit to like 50 or 35 incoming 
22:12:38 <fr33_yourself[m]> hey a node with no incoming is still better than no node at all. I have incoming open though. makes me feel like I'm uppercutting Jerome Powell haha
22:12:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 12 out
22:12:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> fr33_yourself[m]: sort of
22:12:53 <fr33_yourself[m]> why do you limit the incoming?
22:13:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> It puts load on the nodes that are handling the majority of the network traffic 
22:13:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> fr33_yourself[m]: Because its my home network
22:13:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> My router isnt a super saiyan 
22:14:06 <fr33_yourself[m]> so the only reason you limit incoming is to reduce bandwidth consumption so your other devices are usable and/or your ISP doesn't attempt to charge you more or cry like a big baby
22:14:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
22:14:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> If i have too many connections ill lose connectivity all together 
22:15:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Router probs
22:15:38 <fr33_yourself[m]> so your ISP is just kinda poo poo then? what does the router itself have to do with anything?
22:16:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Isp combo modem/routrr to be exact
22:16:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should probably call it a modem in this context
22:17:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Isp is good, they just give shitty hardware if dont have your own
22:18:05 <fr33_yourself[m]> that makes sense
22:18:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> And with 35 incoming connections, its plenty 
22:20:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> In the future ill probably increase to like 300
22:21:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> I alao run i2p, tor, etc as well. I think my i2p is set to 200 connections
22:23:09 <fr33_yourself[m]> I want to know your opinion of i2p vs. tor, but lets move to offtopic
23:10:58 <gingeropolous> yeah ofrnxmr[m] , i know the workaround, but this is not great
23:12:19 <gingeropolous> i mean how does this happen? why doesn't the node check other peers in its whitelist? is the daemon so isolated now in the network that everything in its whitelist is also on this branch of the network / blockchain?
23:12:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Happened to me, but at block 1m or so
23:12:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1.3m*
23:13:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> i had a the mooooo.. line look like _mooooooooo when it would happen
23:13:57 <gingeropolous> (and yes there's plenty of SSD space this time :) )
23:14:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> And the block download would continue to fill up ram, but id never get past that block
23:14:27 <gingeropolous> oh yeah. my moo: [moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
23:14:27 <gingeropolous> ooooooooooooo]
23:14:29 <gingeropolous> lulz
23:14:32 <gingeropolous> what does that mean again?
23:14:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> _ and > mean something bad
23:14:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mooooooooo means good
23:15:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: One if these is "downloading" 
23:16:39 <merope> <monerobull[m]> "It's only after you've generated..." <- Hell nah, you have to be careful even before wallet generation. Last thing you want is some malware compromising your system's entropy source (or modifying/replacing the wallet software binaries and changing the code that handles wallet generation)
23:18:00 <monerobull[m]> That's why you verify tails and feather before generating a wallet
23:33:24 <great_taste> what malware?