16:41:06 <Side-trips[m]> Q: is there anything similar to the ENS '.eth' trend with monero? Seems antithetical to anonymity/privacy, but was curious because I do see plenty of reputable 'xmr' handles. To avoid the xyproblem, I'm wrestling with how to be a good/honest rep. How do I advocate monero as a more mature eth without causing more division/tribalism? Apologies if this is a sensitive subject. Ig for now I will only advocate cryptography as a insightful
16:41:07 <Side-trips[m]> history worth investigating lol
16:44:27 <rbrunner> As far as I know there is only this, and it's much broader because it works with "normal" DNS: https://openalias.org/
16:44:45 <rbrunner> It does not seem to be very popular to use such aliases for one's addresses.
16:45:06 <rbrunner> Might also have to do with the introduction of subaddresses, with the advice to keep your main address for yourself
16:49:55 <rbrunner> (i.e. not make it public)
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17:51:06 <someoneelse49549> I bet you guys never see this option
17:56:13 <plowsof11> after 3 days of tech support from 4 people a user revealed they had set the number of KDF rounds to something like 5000
18:04:03 <xfedex[m]> KDF Rounds are the number of rounds used for deriving the spendkey from the initial entropy?
18:05:22 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof: Is that a fictional horror story or in the true crime genre?
18:05:40 <plowsof11> searching for the issue
18:06:25 <xfedex[m]> KDF algorithm is cryptonight v0, correct? With 5000 rounds most PCs should still be able to create a wallet within 1 minute
18:08:09 <plowsof11> ok 2 days* but it was 4 people https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/4141#issuecomment-1489190564 , i appear to be upset 
18:09:13 <plowsof11> selsta put us out of our misery and asked about the KDF rounds 
18:12:39 <xfedex[m]> Why isn't the number of KDF rounds saved as cleartext inside the wallet file?
18:13:25 <plowsof11> good Q (must be consistent it seems)
18:22:45 <RavFX[m]> We will see how that ledger shard backup is implemented. Eventually 😂
18:32:55 <xfedex[m]> I also noticed something quite bad in the Monero source code
18:33:37 <xfedex[m]> apparently, address is made of network-prefix (usually 1 byte) + 64-bytes of keys + 4 bytes checksum
18:33:56 <RavFX[m]> xfedex[m]: What? Wallet2?
18:34:27 <xfedex[m]> checksum is 4 bytes keccak256(netprefix+64bytes keys)
18:35:09 <xfedex[m]> isn't keccak256 too slow to act as a checksum? Wouldn't something like xxhash be better? Also, what's the necessity of using 4 bytes? Wouldn't 2 bytes checksum be enough?
18:55:19 <Rucknium[m]> Address checksums are not verified on chain since addresses do not appear on the chain. The checksums don't have to be fast.
19:45:25 <scragglez[m]> I might have brain damage. Every time I try to use RPC to transfer money I'm sending factor more than I want. I know I need to convert to atomic units. So 1XMR would be 1x10^12 no?
19:50:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sounds right
19:52:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> 100000000000 is 0.1xmr
19:53:18 <scragglez[m]> In that case I'd want one more zero
19:54:48 <scragglez[m]> There's a secondary issue where I'm trying to decided if I'm using this 3rd party library right
19:54:49 <scragglez[m]> I'm looking at the logs in RPC that were submitted
19:54:50 <scragglez[m]> idk
19:58:17 <scragglez[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#transfer
19:59:01 <scragglez[m]> subaddr_indices will transfer the specified amount from those specified indices right? or will it transfer everything from those indices?
20:03:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Amount 
20:03:16 <scragglez[m]> perfect
20:03:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sweep_...address? Does the sweep
20:03:48 <scragglez[m]> That's what I thought. Just wanted to confirm I was understanding correctly.
20:04:08 <scragglez[m]> because I just tried to send a 1xmr transaction and it somehow ended up sending 20
20:04:15 <scragglez[m]> this is stagenet btw so no one freak out lol
20:05:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> 20 instead of 1? Cat jump on the kb?
20:05:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Howd ya manage to turn a 1 into a 2
20:06:57 <scragglez[m]> I have no idea! Do funds get locked up during a transfer?
20:07:40 <scragglez[m]> Can I copy paste some a few lines from RPC logs?
20:08:44 <scragglez[m]> D transfer: adding 1.000000000000, for a total of 1.000137160000
20:08:44 <scragglez[m]> D wanted 1.000137160000, found 10.000000000000, fee 0.000137160000
20:08:44 <scragglez[m]> D preparing outputs
20:08:44 <scragglez[m]> W amount=10.000000000000, real_output=15, real_output_in_tx_index=1, indexes:.....
20:08:51 <scragglez[m]> It sees the original 1
20:09:05 <scragglez[m]> yes the subaddr has 10 xmr in total. How did amount become 10??
20:09:33 <scragglez[m]> this can't even be the library at this point if this is in the monero-wallet-rpc I'm running locally and sending transactions to
20:14:59 <scragglez[m]> If I wasn't so confident that I'm making an error maybe would say it's a malicious lib on npm lol
20:20:40 <selsta> 20:12 <xfedex[m]> Why isn't the number of KDF rounds saved as cleartext inside the wallet file? <-- could be an info leak if someone has a very specific number
21:13:21 <plowsof11> scragglez: try #monero-community-dev:monero.social for monero-javascript issues 
21:14:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> looks like you have 1 usable output of 10xmr
21:14:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> yes funds get locked during transfer 
21:14:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> More specifically, your change output is locked for 10 blocks just like the spend output
21:15:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of you _shouldnt_ have 10xmr, Monero Community Dev  as its a monero-javascript issue
21:23:14 <scragglez[m]> Yeah so I set up another wallet and the amount I want to send is arriving correctly. If I send 1 xmr, 1 xmr will arrive in the wallet
21:23:25 <scragglez[m]> the issue is that 10xmr will dissapear from the current wallet
21:23:37 <scragglez[m]> 50xmr just disappeared as well
21:24:09 <scragglez[m]> plowsof: thanks going to join that now
21:34:22 <plowsof11> yep its what ofrnxmr said.. the 10xmr will be the output you received from a stagenet faucet, as ofrnxmr alluded to: https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/change.html 
22:12:07 <scragglez[m]> can confirm, it wasn't "disappearing" it was just change going back to the main address