00:08:04 <Alex|LocalMonero> <suitslie[m]> "Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk..." <- Not the website. Just the app. Though, the website is basically open source as viewable from your browser, especially NoJS mode.
00:32:09 <chesterfield[m]> Pay them a fee
00:32:09 <chesterfield[m]> Isn’t this how Nano works
00:32:10 <chesterfield[m]> <ajs_[m]> "Scaling and anonymizing Bitcoin..." <- Just trust the guys with the data 
01:42:33 <XMRPriest[m]> Question, Anyone know if there is any reminisce of a monero scene in Japan or Dubain being that both nations have banned the currency  
01:42:53 <XMRPriest[m]> Curious to know but he privacy at the end of the day hahaha 
01:43:32 <XMRPriest[m]>  * Curious to know but hehe privacy at the end of the day can give anyone the freedom to use it under oppressive laws hahaha 
01:44:20 <XMRPriest[m]> Can you talk about it or would that be suspicion of owning the coins ? 
04:33:55 <GorillaQuest[m]> are there any good hardware wallets to use
07:17:35 <bridgerton[m]> <Icarus> test
08:08:29 <k4r4b3y[m]1> <jamss[m]> "But pixels are sus regardless" <- Just get a fairphone and install calyxos on it.
08:19:51 <idkrn[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]1> "Just get a fairphone and install..." <- Worst idea ever for security. Broken insecure boot and an OS that frequently lags behind security updates
08:20:33 <idkrn[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Idkrn is sus" <- Um no
08:21:03 <idkrn[m]> <Side-trips[m]> "They were the first phones to..." <- That makes no sense that stuff was all offline
08:44:08 <k4r4b3y[m]1> <idkrn[m]> "Worst idea ever for security..." <- \>worst idea ever
08:44:13 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Ok bro
08:44:39 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Is this daniel micay that I am speaking to perchance?
09:21:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> no thats scrat
09:28:42 <ShaneonConduitrs> Looking for an economical prepaid credit card that i can use in the czech republic to pay for internet things and can buy with XMR
09:32:23 <ShaneonConduitrs> bcs the makerplace i go to didn't implemented monerogate yet
09:32:24 <ShaneonConduitrs> u.u
09:32:57 <ShaneonConduitrs> https://www.freepay.cz/objednavka/
09:32:59 <ShaneonConduitrs> found this so far
09:33:31 <ShaneonConduitrs> the idea is telling them to send me the credit card data so that i can program chip in my hand with it
09:49:33 <k4r4b3y[m]1> <k4r4b3y[m]1> "How bad is it to run a monero..." <- > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> How bad is it to run a monero node on th clearnet. Can the ebil gobberment see my le hacker money use?
09:49:33 <k4r4b3y[m]1> any info on this? Can my ISP see that a device on their network is making connections to other Monero nodes? Or, does the ISP only see some connections to random IPv4 addresses?
09:50:28 <sech1> ISP can see that you're connecting to ports 18080, 18081
09:50:40 <sech1> if they have DPI, they can detect Monero traffic even on non-standard ports
09:51:15 <k4r4b3y[m]1> what are my options to counter such detection of ports and maybe even the DPU?
09:51:16 <k4r4b3y[m]1> DPI*
09:51:21 <sech1> VPN
09:51:31 <sech1> that will move the threat from your ISP to VPN owners :D
09:51:41 <k4r4b3y[m]1> eh.. not ideal, as it requires constant payment to some other company.
09:52:17 <k4r4b3y[m]1> apart from kovri devs' incompetence, what other reasons are there for not obfuscating monero's network layer completely under i2p?
09:52:53 <k4r4b3y[m]1> I think in the near future, running a monero node will put a target under your back, if you are in Turkey, Iran, Russia, etc.
09:57:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> well i see as, fck em
09:57:27 <k4r4b3y[m]1> fck em? who is em?
09:57:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> isp
09:57:50 <k4r4b3y[m]1> well you need them to do your internet stuff buddy
09:58:10 <k4r4b3y[m]1> and they are a centralized entity that can be held accountable to the oppressive regiems
09:58:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> as in i dont care if they know i have a node
09:58:22 <k4r4b3y[m]1> you in the US, EU?
09:58:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> nope
09:58:44 <k4r4b3y[m]1> fuck the third worlders?
09:58:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> depends on the country obviously 
09:59:17 <k4r4b3y[m]1> yeah, let's selectively grant monero's gifts to its users.. anyways...
09:59:42 <k4r4b3y[m]1> I think Monero doing its networking stuff in the clearnet is a liability to its users under authoritarian regimes.
10:00:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> yeah it is
10:00:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> in that case
10:00:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> would be good if it was ran like shadowsocks with sock5 connections
10:00:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> then make it connect through 443
10:01:16 <k4r4b3y[m]1> would be perfect if I could completely conceal its networking (peer to peer connections + blockchain sync + blockchain seed) under i2p
10:01:25 <Denshi[m]> The ideal solution is always through Tor or I2P.
10:01:37 <k4r4b3y[m]1> afaik monero can't sync the blockchain over i2p?
10:01:41 <k4r4b3y[m]1> correct me if I am wrong
10:01:47 <Denshi[m]> you could sync it over Tor
10:02:12 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Tor sucks badly for upload speeds tho? How are there any Monero blockchain seeders on Tor? But I will try and see
10:02:38 <k4r4b3y[m]1> i2p + torrenting works today. works good. I have never seen torrenting over tor being successful let alone encouraged.
10:02:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> doesnt sync through tor
10:03:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/#tori2p
10:03:22 <k4r4b3y[m]1> DanIsnotthemanBr: > <@123bob123:matrix.org> doesnt sync through tor
10:03:22 <k4r4b3y[m]1> that's what I know, as well.
10:03:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> thats why i was talking about 443 so it looks like all the other connections
10:04:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> also you can block tor entry nodes
10:04:35 <k4r4b3y[m]1> DanIsnotthemanBr: > <@123bob123:matrix.org> also you can block tor entry nodes
10:04:35 <k4r4b3y[m]1> yeah, turkey is being bitten by this
10:04:47 <DanIsnotthemanBr> my IDS actually has a list of entry node IPS
10:05:07 <k4r4b3y[m]1> I know for a fact that government operated WiFi networks on cafe's and town squares block tor completely, and bridges don't work either.
10:05:16 <k4r4b3y[m]1> "just move out bro"
10:05:54 <k4r4b3y[m]1> I2p on the other hand works like a breeze in these govt wifi netorks
10:05:56 <k4r4b3y[m]1> networks*
10:07:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md#p2p-commands
10:07:36 <Denshi[m]> jacky_choo: epic SML reference. 
15:52:48 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> we need IP level privacy for monero
15:55:00 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> As the world powers r moving against banning privacy coins we cannot allow ISP VPN and state and private entities to even find monero user and monero miners and node operators
15:55:11 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Plazma +1
15:55:18 <bridgerton[m]> s/against/towards/
15:56:01 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Running a monero node should be like torrenting over i2p: your ISP is impervious to it.
15:56:26 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> yea we need more development of i2p
15:57:15 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Any idea if we can hire the i2p devs to work on something on Monero?
15:57:17 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> we need a python or rust or mojo or zig client for i2p and monero
15:57:26 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Rust +1
15:57:45 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> we need more privacy against the coming of CBDC and social credit system and micro chips
15:58:02 <bridgerton[m]> * micro chips implants
15:58:05 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Yeah. They are coming.
15:58:12 <bridgerton[m]> * micro chips brain implants
16:00:55 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> Monero Talk should lobby some 2nd Amendment Gun Communities or Gun tubers
16:02:20 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> they should spread knowledge of privacy coin their difference compare to transparent coins and transparency of credit cards
16:03:02 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> we need all gun shops to start accepting monero in USA
16:03:32 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> then we need others small business and farmers to accept monero
16:03:51 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Yeah. Samourai crew are already tight-knit with FenixAmmunition and Cody Wilson's DefDist.
16:03:57 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> basically we need more trading of default privacy coins
16:04:04 <k4r4b3y[m]1> This should've been Monero instead of BTC.
16:04:25 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> yea need default privacy coin or it won't work
16:04:45 <k4r4b3y[m]1> This is an L that we take in shame as Monero community, honestly.
16:04:52 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> monero targets should be gun communities first
16:05:53 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> if military grade weapons and privacy coins and gold don't come together we r finished
16:06:37 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> brain implant + social credit + CBDC will win, we cannot let that happen !!!!
16:06:53 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Its over
16:07:12 <Denshi[m]> <REDACTED STATEMENT ABOUT 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS>
16:07:17 <Denshi[m]> feds, y'all saw nothing!
16:07:43 <k4r4b3y[m]1> In minecraft, ofc
16:10:07 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> lol
16:11:03 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> we need our politician to make 3D printed weapons in campain or don't give ur votes
16:11:10 <bridgerton[m]> s/campain/campaign/
16:14:00 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> The problem is neither those so called right wing republican or libertarian parties or their politician don't have the courage to promote 3D printed weapons even in their campaigns
16:15:55 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> we need to force our elected officials actually come to Youtube or Televisions  and show everyone how to make 3D printed weapons and piss off Authoritarians who wants power at any cost
16:16:03 <bridgerton[m]> s/we/We/
16:16:14 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> We need our politician to make 3D printed weapons in campaign or don't give ur votes lol
16:16:47 <bridgerton[m]> s/don't//
16:17:40 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> We need them to use monero in trade in public display
16:18:36 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> most r these days talking about anti-CBDC and pro bitcoin
16:18:53 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> but how many even talk about privacy coins or monero
16:56:41 <ShaneonConduitrs> Monejuro sucks ass i can't use it over tor bcs orbot is broken (and was since like Android 9) and it requires monejuro instead of inviziblePro 
16:58:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerujo 
16:58:42 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> we need default private internet layer
16:58:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Let them know "i agree with ofrnxmr. Get rid of this orbot stuff"
16:59:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️: 
16:59:08 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> or need our monero to mave more default IP protections
16:59:41 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> or need our monero to have more default IP protections and privacy
17:03:08 <Alex|LocalMonero> <ShaneonConduitrs> "Monejuro sucks ass i can't use..." <- A bit offtopic, how's conduit?
17:03:49 <ShaneonConduitrs> Alex|LocalMonero: really cool as long as the room is Lv 6  and higher
17:03:51 <ShaneonConduitrs> the SPEEEEEEEEEeeeeEEEeeEEEEeeeeeeeED
17:04:10 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Have you tried dendrite?
17:04:16 <ShaneonConduitrs> ye it sucks
17:04:16 <Alex|LocalMonero> You use element?
17:04:26 <Alex|LocalMonero> Yeah Element sucks ass.
17:04:34 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Try iamb.chat
17:04:44 <Alex|LocalMonero> Does it have E2EE?
17:04:50 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Alex|LocalMonero: Yes
17:04:56 <ShaneonConduitrs> Alex|LocalMonero: yep.. couldn't find alternative client that supports my weird obsession or being in 2000+ rooms and monitoring what people are saying about me to then suddenly burst in the room with memes
17:05:02 <Alex|LocalMonero> What does it lack?
17:05:22 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Alex|LocalMonero: Quite a few things actually. But it does support e2ee and verifications
17:05:52 <k4r4b3y[m]1> ShaneonConduitrs: Why dendrite sucks?
17:06:04 <Alex|LocalMonero> k4r4b3y[m]1: Probably cuz it's written in Go
17:06:10 <Alex|LocalMonero> No offense to any Go people
17:06:15 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Alex|LocalMonero: Go is good tho
17:06:52 <ShaneonConduitrs> k4r4b3y[m]1: slow af broken features
17:06:54 <Alex|LocalMonero> If you're using Go might as well use Java instead. It's more robust and has a richer ecosystem. Rust is the way.
17:07:01 <ShaneonConduitrs> also.. google
17:07:02 <ShaneonConduitrs> ehw
17:07:17 <Alex|LocalMonero> * richer ecosystem. Otherwise, Rust is
17:08:55 <ShaneonConduitrs> i prefer mozilla.. and then telling them to fuck off and making crablang
17:09:26 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Well I hope conduit doesn't become abandonware. At least with dendrite I have guarantee that this will be the official next gen matrix server.
17:09:38 <ShaneonConduitrs> on a compiler that is not designed by a masochist that makes it fail if a variable is unassigned
17:09:43 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Conduit seems like it is developed by a single guy with donations
17:09:50 <ShaneonConduitrs> yeee
17:10:01 <Alex|LocalMonero> The matrix people only now realized that Rust is the way, so they made matrix-rust-sdk
17:10:14 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Server impl wen
17:10:18 <Alex|LocalMonero> Hopefully they'll stop wasting resources on Dendrite and go straight to a rust-based server.
17:10:35 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Lol
17:10:40 <ShaneonConduitrs> The 40M EUR worth of tax payer money wasted on dendrite
17:10:44 <ShaneonConduitrs> that's why we can't have nice things
17:11:01 <k4r4b3y[m]1> ShaneonConduitrs: I blame the taxpayers.
17:11:09 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Thank god monero fixes this.
17:11:15 <Alex|LocalMonero> I blame Macron
17:11:22 <Alex|LocalMonero> No offense to any Macron fans.
17:11:27 <ShaneonConduitrs> though conduit is funded by the german gov
17:11:36 <jamss[m]> What's dendrite?
17:11:43 <Alex|LocalMonero> a waste
17:11:45 <ShaneonConduitrs> significantly less money, does way more
17:11:49 <ShaneonConduitrs> the value
17:12:01 <k4r4b3y[m]1> jamss[m]: More fast and efficient matrix server implementation
17:12:15 <k4r4b3y[m]1> The original one synapse is written in fucking python
17:12:16 <ShaneonConduitrs> and instead of 60 developers it's one guy working on it in free time
17:12:25 <Alex|LocalMonero> k4r4b3y[m]1: It's not hard to be more efficient than python
17:12:32 <k4r4b3y[m]1> k4r4b3y[m]1: Like bru wtf frfr ong
17:12:51 <jamss[m]> Python gets me paid tho
17:13:07 <Alex|LocalMonero> "My imlpementation is more efficient than the python implementation" is like saying "i managed to outrun a snail"
17:13:15 <ShaneonConduitrs> jamss[m]: ya need more lisp in your life bruh
17:13:23 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Alex|LocalMonero: Hey at least it did outrun!
17:13:49 <jamss[m]> ShaneonConduitrs: I'm a retard tho
17:13:50 <ShaneonConduitrs> Alex|LocalMonero: amen
17:14:02 <ShaneonConduitrs> jamss[m]: supermajority of people on this planet is
17:14:16 <k4r4b3y[m]1> ShaneonConduitrs: I LOOVE DEMOCRACY !!
17:14:25 <ShaneonConduitrs> i hate democracy
17:14:26 <jamss[m]> Python is for retards like me
17:14:54 <ShaneonConduitrs> it's like socialism people keep thinking that they can make it work while the whole thing is crumbling apart and taped together with not enough tape
17:15:15 <ShaneonConduitrs> Socrates saw this happening 2000 years ago and people still didn't listen
17:15:17 <ShaneonConduitrs> smh
17:15:34 <k4r4b3y[m]1> I identify as christo-nietszchean with hoppean characteristics
17:15:42 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Pronouns (god/gods)
17:15:44 <jamss[m]> It's who counts the votes
17:16:09 <ShaneonConduitrs> i want democracy where only qualified people get the job
17:16:27 <ShaneonConduitrs> instead of it being a club filled with retards thinking that they can run the country and failing miserably at it
17:16:34 <k4r4b3y[m]1> ShaneonConduitrs: Did yoy just say you are an authoritarian??!
17:16:52 <Alex|LocalMonero> I think he said he hates freedom and children.
17:16:55 * ShaneonConduitrs uploaded an image: (195KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/karp.lol/J1qAHX6iF8vqXV2JDBJL5GktibljRShP/image.png >
17:16:56 <ShaneonConduitrs> just saying..
17:17:07 <ShaneonConduitrs> k4r4b3y[m]1: nah.. i guess more socialist liberal
17:17:11 <jamss[m]> Me IRL
17:17:20 <ShaneonConduitrs> it's the president of the czech republic
17:17:29 <ShaneonConduitrs> he former nato supreme commander
17:17:43 <ShaneonConduitrs> and out prime minister is doctor of political science
17:17:47 <k4r4b3y[m]1> They say Czechia is the Texas of EU
17:17:49 <ShaneonConduitrs> s/out/our/
17:17:54 <Alex|LocalMonero> are you one of those people that wacks off to anthropomophised F35s?
17:18:09 <jamss[m]> Lol
17:18:20 <ShaneonConduitrs> nah i keep annoying our army to get those LITERALLY FREE gripens from sweden
17:18:24 <jamss[m]> That's a good smut novel theme
17:18:44 <ShaneonConduitrs> what the fuck are you going to do with F35 against a felon .. well felon ain't feloning lol.. against a flanker
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17:20:03 <ShaneonConduitrs> or some chinese shit that desintegrates after it reaches the eqvivalent of train going down the hill G force
17:20:04 <jamss[m]> Is there anything that trades without a public price?
17:20:42 <ShaneonConduitrs> open-source anything
17:20:56 <ShaneonConduitrs> and that magic box of scraps at makerspace 
17:21:08 <jamss[m]> But you can't trade that for something else
17:21:44 <jamss[m]> I guess metals are sort of doing that now. Physical price is widely different from spot
17:22:00 <jamss[m]> But what if spot was banned?
17:22:01 <ShaneonConduitrs> i could make lasered out hearts that trade for monero
17:23:46 <ShaneonConduitrs> +- how i pay for my membership in makerspace lol
17:23:56 <ShaneonConduitrs> you gotta wait for open hours
17:24:03 <ShaneonConduitrs> get bunch of people who want to get stuff done
17:24:05 <ShaneonConduitrs> you make stuff
17:24:08 <ShaneonConduitrs> ez money
17:24:12 <jamss[m]> I see
17:24:24 <ShaneonConduitrs> literally making wine out of nothing
17:24:27 <ShaneonConduitrs> yet none calls me jesus
17:24:44 <jamss[m]> Would you trade it for monero if it was only p2p market?
17:24:45 <ShaneonConduitrs> and i don't need bunch of cult lunatics convincing people that it works
17:26:53 <ShaneonConduitrs> well gtg doing school now
17:34:08 <k4r4b3y[m]1> Cya kid. Stay away from the taxman.
18:03:56 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> remember democracy == mob rule, constitution republic == minorities rights protection
18:05:24 <k4r4b3y[m]1> let's cut the bullshit and go straight to monarchy
18:05:29 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> The one with more military grade guns on civilians hands can allow a culture of privacy coins to flourish in full glory
18:05:59 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> 😛
18:06:29 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> 🤪
18:06:45 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> yea elect me ur king luls
18:07:30 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> i give full auto machine guns, nukes and monero to everyone lol
18:07:39 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> 🤣
18:08:02 <bridgerton[m]> * machine guns, tactical nukes and
18:08:12 <bridgerton[m]> * machine guns, tactical nukes, * nukes,, *  gold and monero
18:30:57 <k4r4b3y[m]1> fungibility is bitcoiners' favorite point that they like to forget, whenever they bulletpoint the properties of good money.
18:46:24 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> if they do not bring protocol level privacy and network level privacy they will be known in history as a scam and cult following movement nothing more
18:46:24 <bridgerton[m]> <plazma> 😛
18:51:34 <yay6229[m]> It was just the first one, it wasn't supposed to be good
18:55:13 <k4r4b3y[m]1> le immaculate conception tho
18:55:24 <k4r4b3y[m]1> bitcoin is literally the baby jesus
19:10:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <Alex|LocalMonero> ""My imlpementation is more..." <- I would like to see this race.
19:43:00 <idkrn[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "no thats scrat" <- From ice age? Or did you mean strcat?
19:44:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> That one