16:11:28 <fluffydonkey[m]> Hey gang, I need to build a debug build of monerod. I'm just going to do it inside docker to preserve my sanity w.r.t C++ dependencies.
16:11:28 <fluffydonkey[m]> Any tips on how to set the build target to "debug" instead of "release"?
16:12:30 <fluffydonkey[m]> Ahh, I see make debug is defined. Ignore my previous question
18:57:12 <chaserene> off topic, to those who use Monero rooms through the Element Matrix client: I got fed up with the fact that "invited/accepted invite/removed/banned/power level changed" notifications can't be turned off, and offered 1 XMR to anyone who implements a setting for it. feel free to add to the bounty if you are similarly annoyed.
18:57:12 <chaserene> https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/25558
19:00:04 * plowsof11 uploaded an image: (196KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/ZjzhxfZnPOzsTZXlGjREAady/Screenshot%20from%202023-06-11%2019-59-46.png >
19:00:24 <plowsof11> im not sure if they have a Monero donation address 
19:00:41 <plowsof11> or does the web version only have those settings?
19:23:33 <chaserene> plowsof:  I didn't offer it exclusively to the Element team but to whoever that solves it. if they're really picky, they can use an instant exchange.
19:23:33 <chaserene> the web and the desktop version supposedly have the same settings. the things I want to see are so far not present on any of the platforms
19:31:10 <Alex|LocalMonero> <chaserene> "off topic, to those who use..." <- > <@chaserene:matrix.org> off topic, to those who use Monero rooms through the Element Matrix client: I got fed up with the fact that "invited/accepted invite/removed/banned/power level changed" notifications can't be turned off, and offered 1 XMR to anyone who implements a setting for it. feel free to add to the bounty if you are similarly annoyed.
19:31:10 <Alex|LocalMonero> > https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/25558
19:31:10 <Alex|LocalMonero> Element is a gosh darn mess. Hopefully a Rust alternative will be made soon.
19:31:49 <Alex|LocalMonero> They've had an issue open about multiselect for years. A dev even questioned whether this feature is even needed (brain damage?)
19:32:20 <RavFX[m]> The two extreme
19:32:20 <RavFX[m]> 1 : bloated thing in javascript wrapped in electron
19:32:20 <RavFX[m]> 2 : rust compiled thing.
19:32:20 <RavFX[m]> Do we have good rust GUI libs now?
19:33:12 <jeffro256[m]> Tauri 
19:34:57 <RavFX[m]> So back to using shitty "web technologies" but on Rust.
19:34:57 <RavFX[m]> What about making an element for adult, compiled native, without any "web technologies"
19:36:17 <jeffro256[m]> Why drop web technologies when JS frontend devs are so numerous 
19:36:30 <jeffro256[m]> Yeah electron sucks, but it doesn't have to be electron
19:38:44 <RavFX[m]> You're right, why having compatec, fast and optimized application when you can import the extreme bloat thanks to the amount of JS dev available.
19:38:44 <RavFX[m]> Why having Rust DEV to make the application natively when you can just make it bloated and continue with JS devs
19:38:44 <RavFX[m]> Note : I have nothing again JS, when it's used for truly multi-platform stuff, like, **inside tha web browser**
19:41:08 <jeffro256[m]> Tauri is basically just a lightweight wrapper around tokio + webkitgtk (on Linux at least). Unless you're on an embedded system or high performance server, GUI won't take up that many resources. But in that case, why use a GUI at all?
19:41:11 <RavFX[m]> Need an OS on where the kernel translate JS too
19:41:12 <RavFX[m]> So we can have Operating System totally made in JS running browsers made in JS so it can run more JS from site, that would be the best!
19:43:10 <RavFX[m]> I wonder how much the lost of running 3 layers of interpreted JS
19:43:10 <jeffro256[m]> lol full stack devs now encompasses everything 
19:43:57 <jeffro256[m]> inb4 CPU is made to execute JS directly as machine code 
19:45:58 <RavFX[m]> jeffro256[m]: That won't happens I think, you are going to lose the JS advantage of multiplatform, if you compile JS into machine code for X CPU (or a specific CPU for that purpose) then it won't be multiplatform anymore.
19:45:58 <RavFX[m]> I guess someone could make an actual compiler that compile the JS crust into AMD64 or ARM or whatever.
19:48:09 <RavFX[m]> Intel made one of such CPU back in the old day (it was not JS per say but the idea was there) And it was so slow
19:49:11 <RavFX[m]> The iAPX 432 was referred to as a "micromainframe", designed to be programmed entirely in high-level languages.
19:49:36 <RavFX[m]> It was a CPU designed to run ADA
20:10:06 <jeffro256[m]> Did it see any financial success?
20:10:58 <RavFX[m]> jeffro256[m]: It totally flopped
20:13:04 <RavFX[m]> There is just too much crap to implement a CPU to be able to have it run high level language.
20:13:04 <RavFX[m]> That would be exponential worst for javascript as it's not typed and very loose as far as I know.
21:18:40 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (115KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/luSjffUcmUaifwiFMXAPycAp/grafik.png >
21:22:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe monero twitter should post something this. Instead of posting about one specific css proposal, that doesn’t mention monero….
21:23:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * post something about this. Instead
21:23:28 <RavFX[m]> Yeah.
21:23:33 <monerobull[m]> sgp: 
21:24:04 <RavFX[m]> I'm not sure how closing our reddit can help monero.
21:24:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Just symbolic really
21:24:48 <RavFX[m]> Except maybe be if we do a maximum of noise. People other than actual users have to know
21:25:25 <nordbot3000[m]> reddit is awful anyway.
21:26:04 <RavFX[m]> But it's integrated in feather wallet...
21:26:04 <RavFX[m]> I only use it from there 😂
21:30:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Now miniflux will be quiet, less reddit pulls
21:31:45 <monerobull[m]> <RavFX[m]> "I'm not sure how closing our..." <- its only 2 days
21:32:13 <monerobull[m]> i bet r/bitcoin wont do it because they have no values lmao
21:32:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Should shame them into it
21:32:32 <monerobull[m]> they could loose out on people pumping their bags
21:32:52 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (22KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/wvgiqIbOaDTskareGubpRFkZ/grafik.png >
21:32:54 <monerobull[m]> oh wow
21:36:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.reddit.com/r/WireGuard/comments/143bz3j/rwireguard_will_be_going_dark_from_june_1214_in/
21:36:53 <bridgerton[m]> <BobbedBort***> >Two days? Yea, that'll teachem.
21:38:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/new/
21:38:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Theres a few
21:39:25 <bridgerton[m]> <BobbedBort***> oh there is a livestream
21:40:01 <monerobull[m]> also https://reddark.untone.uk/
21:40:28 <monerobull[m]> but we arent on there for some reason 💢