00:26:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero should go dark until thr rules are reversed..
00:26:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> We use monero.house now until further notice
00:27:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> why? We USE centralizd platforms, not get bent over by them. Github, for example. If github did some bs, we'd leave. Not leave for 2 days
00:29:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Someone needs to lead the charge, and those leaders will be the ones who dont return without uncucking the platform. Everyone else is eseentially just throwing a temper tantrum "it will blow over"
00:31:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> If youre going to put your foot down, put it down. Dont tippy-toe then bend over and touch em when you dont get your way
00:33:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Monero should go dark until..." <- ^^ clarification. SOMEONE should, not necessarily Monero. And double clarification, Monero joining any fight, Monero should be a candidate for the most honest and uncorruptable ones leading. Not just tag alonga
00:34:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 days seems like an oversight. Should be  "if monero gets involved, we fight to win, not for participation trophies and PR"
00:40:37 <highfive[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "If youre going to put your..." <- agreed
00:58:25 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Flexable 
00:58:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * Flexible 
03:58:32 <baz> ec_ you migt want to set LongLivedPorts in your torrc
04:25:52 <ceetee[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "If youre going to put your..." <- Considering that past posts and comments contain a lot of valuable information, I dont think a permanent complete blackout is a good solution. We maybe should extend it to a week or so tho, just to see how (and if) reddit reacts.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/9d909e92a421783a3484e4727d6537600ef6b5c5>)
04:26:15 <ceetee[m]> * Considering that past posts and comments contain a lot of valuable information, I dont think a permanent complete blackout is a good solution. We maybe should extend it to a week or so tho, just to see how (and if) reddit reacts.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dd4045ca32ad342792ee6e7dceb2538f751f5850>)
05:10:50 <BawdyAnarchist[m> monero.house not working for me
05:12:20 <ceetee[m]> hmm, doesn't work for me either
05:12:37 <ceetee[m]> maybe the cheap vps can't keep up
05:12:49 <ceetee[m]> monerobull:  investigate pls
05:13:08 <monerobull[m]> Yeh just saw
05:16:57 <monerobull[m]> Sites back
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05:25:19 <BawdyAnarchist[m> Twitter no likey
05:25:37 <monerobull[m]> Jup
05:25:45 <monerobull[m]> We might have to change the domain :/
05:26:00 <monerobull[m]> This one was used by a crypto scam in 2018
05:26:12 <monerobull[m]> Still on a bunch of blocklists
05:26:24 <monerobull[m]> And companies don't care to remove it
05:26:25 <BawdyAnarchist[m> That's okay, will verify by sending monero. Yall deserve some cash for setting up a new site anyways
05:26:37 <monerobull[m]> You can just dm me
05:27:14 <monerobull[m]> BawdyAnarchist[m: That's already enough actually 
05:33:55 <BawdyAnarchist[m> Okay I submitted my request. Sent ya some XMR anyways.
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05:49:04 <JustKidding[m]> can i just post here to be verified? 
05:49:06 <JustKidding[m]> :)
05:53:42 <monerobull[m]> Yeah
05:55:18 <monerobull[m]> BawdyAnarchist: just approved you 
14:15:06 <playmate7782[m]> what happened to reddit r/moneri
14:15:23 <playmate7782[m]> s/moneri/monero/
14:15:37 <playmate7782[m]> yesterday it was their
14:16:35 <cornfeedhobo> you don't need it anyways
14:43:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> <playmate7782[m]> "what happened to reddit r/moneri" <- Its at monero.house now
14:44:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> <monerobull[m]> "We might have to change the..." <- Will see abt reporting it
14:45:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just need to report myskf forsomething sus, but write the facts in the tweet lol
14:45:58 <ceetee[m]> <playmate7782[m]> "what happened to reddit r/moneri" <- reddit introduced some outrages prices for API access in order to kill of third party clients so that they have tighter control over the platform. People are pissed because it also makes accessibility worse (eg for the blind), it makes most helpful bots impossible, and worst of all it makes modding much, much harder.
14:45:58 <ceetee[m]> Major subreddits decided to go on strike for a minimum of 2 days, including r/monero after an 80% vote in favor.
14:46:38 <ceetee[m]> As ofrn pointed out, we had a backup plan up and running, exactly for a case like this
15:12:25 <mlcboss[m]> what mobile wallet do you guys use? and why monero gui is not on mobile yet?
15:16:17 <Side-trips[m]> cake for utility
15:16:53 <cryptogrampy[m]> Why is monero.house on my dns filter list
15:21:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who makes your list
15:22:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not on my list 👀
15:23:16 <Side-trips[m]> I love that you don't need an email but how tf do I know when my account sign-up is complete now? Lol
15:23:47 <ceetee[m]> if you can log in its complete
15:24:03 <omnero376[m]> <mlcboss[m]> "what mobile wallet do you guys..." <- monerujo. Dont really understand why you would expect a desktop gui to be on mobile
15:26:15 <ocean[m]> <cryptogrampy[m]> "Why is monero.house on my dns..." <- it used to point to a web miner or sth
15:26:55 <ocean[m]> https://web.archive.org/web/20180809134850/http://monero.house/
15:29:09 <Rucknium[m]> The website could be served from themonero.house, too, which doesn't have the DNS filter problem. Would need to do the server configs.
15:31:11 <cryptogrampy[m]> i will sell that domain for 500 xmr
15:32:00 <Side-trips[m]> this house shit is cool af--somehow in the halfdeath of reddit, I've discovered a bunch of subs better than my usual doom scroll
15:34:18 <Side-trips[m]> I'm slightly concerned at the costs and points of failure tho. How soon will we run into cost crisis? I guess that depends on the influx of new users, doesn't it? Do we know about how much it cost to run last month?
15:40:42 <omnero376[m]> <cryptogrampy[m]> "Why is monero.house on my dns..." <- just tried it and ublock origin was blocking it for me, i dont know how to find which list. i'd guess that affects a huge proportion of people
15:41:54 <mlcboss[m]> possiblity of using monero blockchain for password manager?
15:42:26 <Side-trips[m]> mlcboss[m]: you would never
15:43:38 <merope> mlcboss[m]: Possibility of using a screwdriver as car fuel?
15:44:29 <ceetee[m]> <Side-trips[m]> "I'm slightly concerned at the..." <- Cost is much lower then you think. I'd estimate that each user on reddit cost them less then 10ct/ month... So even if the Lemmy instance is way less efficient, I'd say a $1/ month subscription would cover the costs easily
15:45:28 <ceetee[m]> And also note that high storage/bandwidth media is actively discourage, while reddit hosts a bunch of video files as well
15:46:32 <Side-trips[m]> I like this a lot. Many thanks counter-terrorist!
15:47:21 <ceetee[m]> The Lemmy instance has seen little usage over the last few months, so current cost is not representive
15:48:06 <ceetee[m]> monerobull:  started the Lemmy instance, so he's the one you need to thank :D
15:51:27 <monerobull[m]> Hai hai
15:52:13 <monerobull[m]> <Side-trips[m]> "I'm slightly concerned at the..." <- Last month was like 10$ but the server is barely keeping up and today went down multiple times in the morning 
15:53:09 <monerobull[m]> It seems like i have found a way better hosting provider but it requires a big up-front payment 
15:57:03 <mlcboss[m]> <Side-trips[m]> "you would never" <- i remember it was used for nfts before , but nft on monero wouldn't make sense since its not private
15:57:20 <monerobull[m]> Btw is it a big problem that there is no email on the instance?
16:04:32 <mlcboss[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Btw is it a big problem that..." <- im not sure what the email requirement for some homeserver
16:04:32 <mlcboss[m]> matrix.org request me an email but it can't be used for restoring my account if i lost my account 
16:04:40 <mlcboss[m]> i believe is not a huge deal
16:28:43 <monerobull[m]> Lemmy would let you restore your password and notify you when your account is approved but that's it
16:41:48 <Side-trips[m]> Is there any potential for Reddit redemption? What does a 'successful' blackout look like?
16:43:04 <Side-trips[m]> Idk ig Reddit has been in decay for awhile, so I'm definitely looking forward to a strong/sustainable alternative wether it's house or else take my money and don't ipo pls
16:44:39 <Side-trips[m]> Confirming an account with xmr is definitely the most fun method 
16:44:39 <Side-trips[m]> Thank you for the extra efforts bull! 
18:00:03 <playmate7782[m]> <Side-trips[m]> "Is there any potential for..." <- Most redditers dont understand economic. 
18:50:13 <rbrunner> I claim that Reddit also does not really understand much about economics. Do you know that Reddit has a freaking 2000 employees?
18:55:01 <RavFX[m]> 2k employer for that things?!?
18:55:01 <RavFX[m]> Now you know why the thing is not profitable 😂
18:59:08 <rbrunner> Back in the days of the "New Economy", around 2000, they called this the "burn" rate: How many months you need to burn through all inverstors' money :)
19:01:46 <playmate7782[m]> Job of 1900 employees must be to block acc and sub 
19:02:10 <playmate7782[m]> check if all comments are politically correct
19:02:24 <playmate7782[m]> check hate speech etc etc
19:02:28 <nordbot3000[m]> the entire limited liability corporate system is ultimately a violation of economics
19:02:48 <rbrunner> Lol
19:03:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> playmate7782[m]: S3riouskly. My account RIP 
19:03:40 <playmate7782[m]> just like USA tech firms promote ORANGE MAN BAD, here in India its MODI BAD
19:04:45 <playmate7782[m]> r/India 90% are banned from commenting. they hate logically explanation
19:05:17 <playmate7782[m]> most of those PRO CRYPTO, Pro Monero folks in India are anti capitalist lol
19:05:57 <playmate7782[m]> who Ideo of Monero is gov cannot loot it as tax as long as transaction are anonymous
19:06:33 <playmate7782[m]> How can any one me pro monero and pro socialist same time
19:06:47 <playmate7782[m]> s/me/be/
19:06:59 <rbrunner> Well, in the Monero subreddit I cannot remember to ever having seen any Reddit mod action. Only actions of our own mods, and Reddit automatisms
19:07:03 <playmate7782[m]> s/who/whole/, s/Ideo/idea/
19:07:09 <rbrunner> But maybe I don't see behind the scenes well enough
19:08:16 <playmate7782[m]> I am pro monero for two things 1) State should not control money/cash 2) privacy.
19:09:09 <playmate7782[m]> I was thinking for a while why monero is not mooning
19:09:24 <playmate7782[m]> now I think I fig out, 
19:09:38 <nordbot3000[m]> the monero economy is 99% plushies and stickers
19:10:13 <great_taste> and droogs
19:11:19 <leoDMsopen[m]> monero is toxic for whales, they can't analyze the chain like with other coins and it has regulation problems
19:11:25 <leoDMsopen[m]> so no moon
19:11:59 <nordbot3000[m]> there's no moon because they're not a lot of wealth within the internal economy
19:13:08 <playmate7782[m]> most people dont understand Bitcoin and monero white paper. most people  cant differentiate between both white papers as most dont know encryption, networking, maths, finance, coding etc.
19:13:09 <playmate7782[m]> BITCOIN have many preachers like Andreas antonopolous, nik bhatia, saifdean ammous, james lopp, michael saylor,  robert kiyosaki, mike maloney etc and many Gold bugs
19:13:12 <leoDMsopen[m]> mooning is just whales speculating
19:13:44 <playmate7782[m]> most people are investing and dont care about privacy.
19:14:27 <playmate7782[m]> and those who need monero like in africa, south america etc dont have internet or smart phone
19:15:24 <playmate7782[m]> monero will moon only after gov crackdown on bitcoin based on purchases from kyc exchange
19:16:35 <playmate7782[m]> so short term people loosing purchasing power by hodling monero
19:17:17 <nordbot3000[m]> you're losing purchasing power because everything you want to buy is denominated in USD
19:17:29 <nordbot3000[m]> there's no internal economy to speak of
19:17:30 <playmate7782[m]> and many who understand monero think they can convert bitcoin into monero
19:17:36 <playmate7782[m]> nordbot3000[m]: true
19:17:52 <nordbot3000[m]> start building useful stuff
19:18:04 <playmate7782[m]> now recent monero ban have spooked me
19:18:12 <nordbot3000[m]> and demanding payment in XMR
19:18:16 <playmate7782[m]> so I bought some monero
19:18:41 <playmate7782[m]> I always thought I can convert btc to momero any time
19:19:10 <playmate7782[m]> but binance ban on certain countries was an wakeup call for me
19:19:51 <playmate7782[m]> I was 90% btc and 10% monero. now my new purchase is 50/50
19:21:24 <playmate7782[m]> am from India. here people dont need crypto
19:21:35 <playmate7782[m]> because everyone have bank acc
19:21:56 <playmate7782[m]> but last week I got email from my bank
19:22:14 <playmate7782[m]> invite only digital rupees
19:22:18 <playmate7782[m]> wallet
19:22:47 <playmate7782[m]> thats scared me. I created acc to see how it works
19:23:07 <playmate7782[m]> basically India gov is planning to end net banking
19:23:50 <playmate7782[m]> net banking will only be used to check balance and load money on digital rupees
19:24:07 <playmate7782[m]> all transaction will be blockchain based on digital rupees
19:24:40 <playmate7782[m]> their is no awareness among people. and people think Gov should be able to view every transaction
19:25:22 <nordbot3000[m]> money itself is already for plebs
19:25:50 <nordbot3000[m]> those of us who understand wealth do not exchange money with each other
19:26:22 <playmate7782[m]> nordbot3000[m]: 100
19:26:30 <playmate7782[m]> true
19:26:55 <nordbot3000[m]> the real "moon" is when men climb out of their collective asses and start cooperating
19:27:27 <playmate7782[m]> if all gov simultaneously attack crypto i.e Ban exchange their will be no price discovery
19:27:44 <nordbot3000[m]> when that happens i don't know but the world is collectively lodged pretty far up in there
19:28:35 <playmate7782[m]> their can be 90% crash. if monero survive that along with btc, monero will be new king
19:29:44 <playmate7782[m]> hoping USA sanction force russia, iran, n korea to make monero legal tender
19:30:17 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: black markets will not cease to exist, will it ?
19:30:25 <playmate7782[m]> Am apolitical but hoping dictators dont unite
19:30:49 <bike[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> if all gov simultaneously attack crypto i.e Ban exchange their will be no price discovery
19:30:50 <bike[m]> > 
19:30:50 <bike[m]> > black markets will not cease to exist, will it ?
19:30:50 <bike[m]> yeah but it will make the market smaller
19:31:02 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> if all gov simultaneously attack crypto i.e Ban exchange their will be no price discovery
19:31:02 <playmate7782[m]> > 
19:31:02 <playmate7782[m]> > black markets will not cease to exist, will it ?
19:31:02 <playmate7782[m]> whatever left will be best of best
19:31:05 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: they are already united,  this is the NWO, 1 ruler , 1 dictatorship over all
19:31:33 <nordbot3000[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> Am apolitical but hoping dictators dont unite
19:31:33 <nordbot3000[m]> > 
19:31:33 <nordbot3000[m]> > they are already united,  this is the NWO, 1 ruler , 1 dictatorship over all
19:31:33 <nordbot3000[m]> These alliances are weak and temporary because there's fundamentally no deep alignment of interest
19:31:42 <bike[m]> imo the biggest issue with monero getting banned isn't the actual usage, it's the value and the ability to use it or transfer it to another currency
19:31:51 <Demetrius[m]1> call me crazy , but this war  is an orchestration of the elites
19:31:54 <nordbot3000[m]> The players of the "NWO" will stab each other in the back the moment they can
19:32:21 <Demetrius[m]1> nordbot3000[m]: dont think so, they obey their master, like a pyramid 
19:32:38 <playmate7782[m]> I dont believe USA and russia are in opposite side. I think both wants to destroy EU. but people who really suffer from sanctions might adopt monero in masses
19:32:45 <playmate7782[m]> iran is anti crypto
19:32:50 <nordbot3000[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@nordbot3000[m]:libera.chat> The players of the "NWO" will stab each other in the back the moment they can
19:32:50 <nordbot3000[m]> > 
19:32:50 <nordbot3000[m]> > dont think so, they obey their master, like a pyramid
19:32:50 <nordbot3000[m]> The "master" is satan aka the ego which is not a coherent understanding.
19:32:58 <plowsof11> nordbot3000 you already on thin ice with your weird views about women/men 
19:33:00 <Demetrius[m]1> nordbot3000[m]: > <@nordbot3000[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> Am apolitical but hoping dictators dont unite... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ae7199a063d431558ecb987694d24f9ed71d2583>)
19:33:01 <playmate7782[m]> n kore people dont have internet so it does not count
19:33:18 <leoDMsopen[m]> playmate7782[m]: EU is part of the american influence, why would they want to destroy it?
19:33:20 <Demetrius[m]1> nordbot3000[m]: > <@nordbot3000[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@nordbot3000[m]:libera.chat> The players of the "NWO" will stab each other in the back the moment they can... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6e5b621c8f3bcd4471dae05ac7fd344fc4dd3030>)
19:33:37 <plowsof11> now your kicking the can down the road about the NWO conspiracy satanic chats #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
19:33:44 <plowsof11> you're
19:33:55 <Demetrius[m]1> my bad
19:34:28 <Demetrius[m]1> the thing is, they will try to destroy all cryptos, btc and xmr included
19:34:48 <playmate7782[m]> leoDMsopen[m]: USA might want to destroy Euro
19:35:33 <Demetrius[m]1> they need an excuse to rise the financial control over the world aka digital central banks 
19:36:00 <bike[m]> i mean that could be done right now
19:36:11 <bike[m]> realistically what exactly prevents the government from just
19:36:14 <bike[m]> telling your bank to revoke your money
19:36:16 <playmate7782[m]> wont ne surprised if their is single currency among NATO
19:36:35 <Demetrius[m]1> governments are just feuds
19:36:43 <leoDMsopen[m]> Nonsense. If the EU collapses there's nothing to stop China and Russia from extending their influence on the rest of the continent.
19:37:08 <playmate7782[m]> 10 years from now all countries will have more debt than GDP
19:37:08 <Demetrius[m]1> the_0pps[m]: they will do it, eventually
19:37:22 <playmate7782[m]> USA is getting away because of printet
19:37:41 <playmate7782[m]> most african, south American wont survive
19:37:56 <Demetrius[m]1> i'm brazilian, we are already fucked
19:38:07 <cryptogrampy[m]> CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE THEY MOVED THE MONERO REDDIT COMMUNITY I"M VERY LOST RIGHT NOW
19:38:12 <bike[m]> leoDMsopen[m]: *china
19:38:12 <bike[m]> russia can't even fund a takeover of one country what makes you think they could fund one against all of europe
19:38:22 <bike[m]> cryptogrampy[m]: probably down in protest
19:38:34 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: but those countries which are fucked first will prosper faster
19:38:56 <playmate7782[m]> next generation will reject Fiat currency
19:38:56 <cryptogrampy[m]> CAN I MOVE THE PROTESTERS ONTO THE SIDEWALK SO I CAN GET THROUGH
19:38:57 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> i'm brazilian, we are already fucked
19:38:57 <Demetrius[m]1> > 
19:38:57 <Demetrius[m]1> > but those countries which are fucked first will prosper faster
19:38:57 <Demetrius[m]1> what kind of prosperity?  we will own nothing
19:39:17 <bike[m]> playmate7782[m]: and you know this how?
19:39:24 <Demetrius[m]1> the current scenario is the best/worst scenario for Monero
19:40:01 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: CDBC is just currency based on obedience , social credits
19:40:24 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> i'm brazilian, we are already fucked... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a6c2e7f05c54ac1dfbd5311e17fbe880d3054e86>)
19:41:46 <Demetrius[m]1> if you obey your government and be a good citizen you will be able to eat and buy stuff 
19:41:47 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> i'm brazilian, we are already fucked... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/080141c1435399d8cf45d0d622d3ffd8f91c38dc>)
19:41:57 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: yup am keeping my fig crossed and hoping social media makes aware younger generation.
19:42:37 <plowsof11> A Monero Enthusiast living the agorist lifestyle in Alaska w/ Jake - Monero Talk yewtu.be/watch?v=OmHg643uGOk
19:42:45 <bike[m]> playmate7782[m]: generally social media does the exact opposite. you'll come to find that it's really good at making people stupid
19:42:56 <Demetrius[m]1> brazil was one of the first countries to adopt digital 100% vote 
19:43:00 <bike[m]> some people do become smarter from it but the current way it's designed destroys attention spans and ruins critical thinking
19:43:13 <Demetrius[m]1> do u trust Soros voting machine ?
19:43:14 <Demetrius[m]1> s/vote/voting/
19:43:14 <Demetrius[m]1>  * what you mean by choose ?? since  the 90's we can't choose shit
19:43:27 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> i'm brazilian, we are already fucked... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/07d438a04207a7d48482f51c94b034d51b987981>)
19:43:32 <bike[m]> but this is just from an american pov social media may be entirely different in brazil
19:44:04 <playmate7782[m]> next generation politicians might be pro crypto because nothing will be left for them to exploit
19:44:23 <highfive[m]> fiat will be fucked because rules will just come in that say "you can't take this much fiat from bank" and you earn all your money in digital
19:44:28 <Demetrius[m]1> only the worst, most corrupto politician are in power in brazil since the 90s
19:44:29 <Demetrius[m]1> s/corrupto/corrupt/, s/politician/politicians/
19:44:31 <highfive[m]> so eventually it will just disappear, the amount of circulation will trend towards 0
19:45:19 <highfive[m]> playmate7782[m]: you don't realize that humans are the thing they want to exploit, slaves are more valuable than any money
19:45:21 <highfive[m]> slaves have always been the most valueable asset
19:45:46 <highfive[m]> the entire bible repeats the same story
19:45:55 <highfive[m]> because that is how it used to be 1000 years ago
19:46:03 <playmate7782[m]> Soros is ANTI modi because Modi is not in bed with NWO.
19:46:03 <playmate7782[m]> and we have best and most transparent election
19:46:04 <highfive[m]> people used to build fucking pyramids even longer ago
19:46:20 <Demetrius[m]1> 99% still believe in mainstream media/big tech narratives
19:46:20 <Demetrius[m]1> i talked to my uncle about Monero/Bitcoin a while ago, he told me this is "terrorist money'
19:46:37 <great_taste> lmao
19:46:45 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> 99% still believe in mainstream media/big tech narratives
19:46:46 <playmate7782[m]> > i talked to my uncle about Monero/Bitcoin a while ago, he told me this is "terrorist money'
19:46:46 <playmate7782[m]> same with my parents
19:47:01 <playmate7782[m]> most throughout I was rerarded
19:47:15 <playmate7782[m]> but I was into bitcoin before it hit 1000
19:47:26 <playmate7782[m]> now they see me as genius
19:47:30 <playmate7782[m]> lol
19:47:33 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: good old day
19:47:36 <Demetrius[m]1> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> but I was into bitcoin before it hit 1000
19:47:36 <Demetrius[m]1>  * good old days
19:47:37 <highfive[m]> do you know how you get them hooked?
19:48:24 <highfive[m]> 1. Drop your bank account, now YOU can't pay for shit on the internet.
19:48:24 <highfive[m]> 2. Now ask your buddy to pay something for you and tell him you're gonna send him more $ worth XMR in return.
19:48:24 <highfive[m]> 3. Since he hears more money, he takes the offer, and now uses XMR.
19:48:26 <playmate7782[m]> my dad dont even like Gold and silver. forget crypto. and he is gets decent pension. so he is care free
19:48:29 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> Soros is ANTI modi because Modi is not in bed with NWO.
19:48:29 <Demetrius[m]1> > and we have best and most transparent election
19:48:29 <Demetrius[m]1> what u mean ?
19:48:48 <playmate7782[m]> he dont understand geo politis can fuck his pension
19:49:13 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> Soros is ANTI modi because Modi is not in bed with NWO.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/25ca05b158be13dcd62d6c69ec9ca07bf06d6b00>)
19:49:33 <playmate7782[m]> I said I don't trust soros but India is safe from soros
19:49:46 <Demetrius[m]1> ah Modi, got it
19:49:49 <bike[m]> highfive[m]: > <@toralien:monero.social> 1. Drop your bank account, now YOU can't pay for shit on the internet.
19:49:49 <bike[m]> > 2. Now ask your buddy to pay something for you and tell him you're gonna send him more $ worth XMR in return.
19:49:49 <bike[m]> > 3. Since he hears more money, he takes the offer, and now uses XMR.
19:49:49 <bike[m]> depends on the buddy
19:50:09 <Demetrius[m]1> everyone is in bed with the NWO, even wihtout noticing
19:50:39 <highfive[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> 99% still believe in mainstream media/big tech narratives
19:50:39 <highfive[m]> > i talked to my uncle about Monero/Bitcoin a while ago, he told me this is "terrorist money'
19:50:39 <highfive[m]> that just tells me you live in a western country
19:50:41 <highfive[m]> not all places are like this
19:50:42 <Demetrius[m]1> s/wihtout/without/
19:50:52 <playmate7782[m]> <demetriusyukirozki[m]> "do u trust Soros voting machine..." <- nope. But India is safe till 2024 elections
19:51:16 <highfive[m]> the poorer the people (the more they get fucked by currency) the more crypto is used
19:51:18 <Demetrius[m]1> playmate7782[m]: > <@playmate7782[m]:libera.chat> > <@demetriusyukirozki[m]:libera.chat> do u trust Soros voting machine ?
19:51:18 <Demetrius[m]1> > 
19:51:18 <Demetrius[m]1> > nope. But India is safe till 2024 elections
19:51:18 <Demetrius[m]1> less than 365 days
19:51:44 <playmate7782[m]> Soros in press conference mentioned he has pledged 1 billion usd to stop modi in 2024
19:51:45 <playmate7782[m]> not month ago
19:51:54 <Demetrius[m]1> i live near argentina, bitcoin is a real thing there,  not Monero though 
19:52:17 <Demetrius[m]1> near the border
19:52:43 <playmate7782[m]> I heard Venezuela people using btv
19:52:45 <playmate7782[m]> btc
19:52:50 <Demetrius[m]1> but venezuela maybe, i've seen some videos about people using it
19:53:06 <Demetrius[m]1> i mean Monero in venezuela
19:53:26 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: yup. people are confused because their are too many crypto
19:53:39 <playmate7782[m]> zcash also competing
19:53:45 <Demetrius[m]1> argentinians, in general, are more aware of these  things than us brazilians 
19:53:45 <Demetrius[m]1> we are too normies, sadly
19:54:19 <playmate7782[m]> john mcafee was pumping some other privacy coin verge or something
19:54:49 <Demetrius[m]1> PirateCoin ?
19:55:08 <playmate7782[m]> normal people are confused. they have seen bitcoin bull runs
19:55:24 <Demetrius[m]1> i guess crypto use is prohibited in venezuela, not sure
19:55:24 <playmate7782[m]> also they have seen other shit coin go to zero
19:55:38 <playmate7782[m]> so they assume monero is like most shit coin
19:55:55 <Demetrius[m]1> plus maxi call us shitcoin
19:56:03 <Demetrius[m]1> s/maxi/maxis/
19:56:10 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: dont remember but he also did too many pump and dump shit
19:56:24 <Demetrius[m]1> poor guy
19:57:21 <hotstryker[m]> <plowsof11> "if you want mainnet coins then..." <- Ive done this multiple times and got zilch. 
19:57:36 <playmate7782[m]> demetriusyukirozki[m]: yup. I was bitcoin maxi. but liked monero since day one
19:57:51 <playmate7782[m]> good/better tech does not always win
19:57:58 <playmate7782[m]> CDMA lost against GSM
19:58:07 <highfive[m]> hotstryker[m]: it changes the perspective if anything
19:58:18 <playmate7782[m]> That's was because of data I guess
19:59:02 <playmate7782[m]> we will see long winter in alt coins
19:59:15 <playmate7782[m]> eventually am betting against ether
19:59:32 <playmate7782[m]> am proof of work fan
19:59:50 <playmate7782[m]> when etherum crash it will bring down  alt coins
20:00:20 <playmate7782[m]> lot more is about to happen. I wish all bad things happen ASAP
20:00:20 <plowsof11> hotstryker: contact MajesticBank about pending payments
20:01:16 <playmate7782[m]> I will never be 100% monero because truth does not necessary win
20:01:27 <hotstryker[m]> I've always avoided ethereum for that very reason.   I've always had the feeling it would eventually fail and take everything that was built on it with it.
20:02:12 <playmate7782[m]> hotstryker[m]: am betting computer harware to increase 100X 
20:02:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Truth. Social
20:02:56 <playmate7782[m]> cheapest laptop and mobile will ship with 100gb ram and 10  tb harddisk
20:03:13 <playmate7782[m]> bitcoin will increase block size
20:03:24 <playmate7782[m]> I dont see use case for smart contracts
20:03:42 <playmate7782[m]> their are some
20:03:45 <playmate7782[m]> but not many
20:04:01 <playmate7782[m]> POW will win
20:04:31 <playmate7782[m]> POS guys betting that computer hardware wont be more efficient
20:05:03 <playmate7782[m]> POS guys don't understand whats decentralized
20:05:46 <playmate7782[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: what happened
20:06:11 <playmate7782[m]> gov crackdown on it servers?
20:06:13 <Rucknium[m]> playmate7782: What does POS vs POW have to do with hardware efficiency? BTC won't increase the block size by the way. Do you know what happened in 2017?
20:06:28 <playmate7782[m]> Rucknium[m]: yup
20:06:37 <highfive[m]> playmate7782[m]: wdyt though that PoS can be PoW by proxy
20:06:40 <playmate7782[m]> I mixed two topic
20:06:49 <playmate7782[m]> scalling and environment bs
20:06:55 <highfive[m]> meaning you can mine BTC and sell BTC for ETH
20:07:00 <RavFX[m]> playmate7782[m]: Don't think so, not before a long time
20:07:00 <RavFX[m]> Except if we have new OS totally written in javascript, maybe
20:07:00 <RavFX[m]> Max bloatability phase was 1995-2010
20:09:12 <playmate7782[m]> how many of u think making Monero ASIC resistant was good
20:10:33 <RavFX[m]> playmate7782[m]: I do.
20:10:33 <RavFX[m]> much decentralization
20:10:33 <RavFX[m]> 1 CPU, on vote.
20:10:33 <RavFX[m]> While you can scale to mine more, scaling require more time and ressources.
20:10:33 <Rucknium[m]> It's good that there is an alternative model to ASIC-vulnerable. The two models have different threat models
20:10:37 <playmate7782[m]> what if some one run many nodes on cloud 
20:11:43 <playmate7782[m]> I don't understand monero transaction accurately on technical level
20:12:04 <Rucknium[m]> playmate7782: Continuing to confuse concepts? Mining and running a node are different things.
20:12:28 <playmate7782[m]> Rucknium[m]: yup I know both are diff
20:12:37 <RavFX[m]> playmate7782[m]: You have to rent dedicated servers, require more money (current price make it so you're monthly mining profit is less than 1-2% of monthly server cost)
20:12:37 <RavFX[m]> VPS, you gonna get botted plus even if they let you mine on them, ratio is usually worst than for dedicates servers
20:12:38 <playmate7782[m]> more node means more decentralized
20:12:52 <RavFX[m]> same for clouds VM crap, at the end you pay waaaaay more than what you get in profit
20:12:54 <playmate7782[m]> more hash power on single node means more mining rewards
20:12:58 <RavFX[m]> meaning, it's not worth it to cloud mine
20:13:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Botnet aws server !!
20:13:31 <RavFX[m]> the only people who can properly profit from cloud mining are cloud owners... Depending of there electricity price
20:13:49 <playmate7782[m]> ok one things always confuse/bother me regarding 51% attack
20:13:50 <RavFX[m]> and botnets yeah but that's different, they steal ressources (cpu power / electricity)
20:14:02 <Rucknium[m]> Most miners probably don't run their own nodes. They point xmrig to a mining pool. No node necessary.
20:14:31 <playmate7782[m]> on bitcoin if I do 51% attack, people can see it on blockchain
20:14:41 <playmate7782[m]> how do one fig that on monero
20:14:46 <Rucknium[m]> You can see it on the Monero blockchain.
20:15:03 <Rucknium[m]> I've 51% a testnet derived from the Monero codebase
20:15:10 <Rucknium[m]> You can see it easily
20:15:11 <RavFX[m]> have fun try to target wallet with a 51% attack on monero.
20:15:35 <playmate7782[m]> Since transaction are anonymous
20:15:37 <Rucknium[m]> Everyone running a node will get messages about a deep block reorg
20:15:55 <playmate7782[m]> how can one really know if their have never been 51
20:16:46 <playmate7782[m]> Rucknium[m]: I havent studied monero like bitcoin so dont know much. will do deep dive next time I take vacation
20:17:25 <Rucknium[m]> And you can see the transaction IDs in the two competing chains
20:17:45 <playmate7782[m]> I did graduation in economic
20:17:46 <Rucknium[m]> You'll see some missing/present in one of the chains compared to the other
20:18:08 <playmate7782[m]> because of bitcoin I studied bit of linux, python etc
20:18:17 <playmate7782[m]> encryption etv
20:18:26 <playmate7782[m]> * encryption etc
20:19:53 <playmate7782[m]> Its bit hard for me to understand each nut and bolt
20:20:08 <playmate7782[m]> Once I sent money to some one and he told me exact amount of btc I had in my wallet
20:20:27 <playmate7782[m]> and Thats when I realised btc has big bug
20:20:51 <playmate7782[m]> it was long back. before that I assumed btc was bullet proof
20:20:53 <playmate7782[m]> and anonymous
20:21:11 <playmate7782[m]> so I did a deep dive in btc.
20:21:49 <playmate7782[m]> now I wish to do same about monero before going 100%
20:22:01 <Rucknium[m]> "Monero is what bitcoin noobs thought they bought" - Daniel Kim, IIRC
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20:22:51 <playmate7782[m]> Rucknium[m]: I realised I can be robbed at gun point if I ever used it for transaction
20:23:33 <Rucknium[m]> Mastering Monero is less technical. Zero to Monero 2.0 is more technical. Both are out of date since Monero continues to improve, but they are a good start.
20:24:39 <playmate7782[m]> only thing stopping me about going full in monero is 1) how decentralized it is 2) monero devlopers might go green or increase supply of monero or move away from POW
20:25:15 <playmate7782[m]> many ether guys are too good when it comes to coding etc but they are woke and dumb when it comes to economic
20:26:06 <playmate7782[m]>  monero might be perfect today but if very few people are developing code and they might go woke like vitalic
20:26:25 <MajesticBank> pm here for coins
20:26:56 <playmate7782[m]> monero is alrrady forked many times. so I need more info about developer team
20:27:01 <baz> lol
20:27:21 <baz> not you playmate7782[m] 
20:27:31 <baz> MajesticBank get out of here you bozo 
20:28:26 <playmate7782[m]> Rucknium[m]: will buy both
20:28:40 <playmate7782[m]> pdf available on github or some place?
20:28:52 <playmate7782[m]> amazon india dont have all books
20:29:45 <RavFX[m]> mesteringmonero.com have the mastering monero book for free pdf I think
20:30:21 <RavFX[m]> zero to monero is in pdf format at getmonero.org
20:30:30 <merope> RavFX[m]: Typo
20:31:02 <RavFX[m]> s/mesteringmonero/masteringmonero/
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20:38:14 <playmate7782[m]> is this right
20:38:51 <playmate7782[m]> I guess. it says first edition. I assume its not outdted
21:01:59 <playmate7782[m]> ok downloaded free version
21:02:20 <playmate7782[m]> even started
21:02:32 <playmate7782[m]> will finish by tomorrow
21:02:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bazo in a divorce 
21:03:25 <playmate7782[m]> why does not andreas antonopolous promote monero
21:03:45 <baz[m]> don't forget to tip 😉
21:03:54 <playmate7782[m]> i think they are scared that promoting new crypto every now and then is bad for crypto
21:04:05 <playmate7782[m]> baz[m]: sure
21:04:34 <playmate7782[m]> atleast money which I was going to pay amazon
21:05:09 <baz[m]> yup
21:08:06 <happytoad>  /w 7
21:16:45 <happytoad> aa
21:43:02 <Nothaveld> andreas antonopolous made I think at most one video just about Monero and he spoke about it pretty favorably.
21:44:14 <Nothaveld> I think he does not talk about Monero much because there are Toxic Bitcoin Maxis that will discredit and crypto that is not Bitcoin and he does not want to get mixed up with that
22:08:57 <monerobull[m]> tobtoht: hello
22:13:53 <plowsof11> monerobull: hello
22:14:10 <monerobull[m]> How's it going 
22:16:07 <plowsof11> i just found out that monero.house has forked to monero.town and xFFC's first PR to montero is approved for merge, thats pretty much it for now, how about yourself 
22:16:56 <monerobull[m]> I just forked Monero.house to monero.town, i have the Lemmy documentation 
22:17:04 <monerobull[m]> I also hate the fog project documentation 
22:17:27 <monerobull[m]> The only documentation I don't hate might be the sethforprivacy guides
22:17:39 <monerobull[m]> Docker would be great if it didn't work based on chance 
22:18:43 <monerobull[m]> For fog only the ai could save me
22:19:26 <monerobull[m]> For Lemmy you have to use a template config from a different install method for the docker install to work
22:19:52 <monerobull[m]> For docker you can follow every step, it will fail. Do the same steps again, it works.
22:20:42 <plowsof11> Docker is perfect when it just works 
22:21:03 <monerobull[m]> Yeah
22:21:10 <monerobull[m]> Crappy PC at work, just werks
22:21:18 <monerobull[m]> Trying to install it at home, nah
22:21:28 <monerobull[m]> Docker engine don't work
22:22:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Docker is the way 
22:22:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> When it works
22:22:49 <RavFX[m]> How we say for someone who own Monero(j)?
22:22:57 <RavFX[m]> Docker is great, especially if you run Windows
22:23:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Docker rm plowsof
22:23:47 <plowsof11> to uninstall / reclaim 1TB of hard drive space again : docker system prune ... docker system prune --all... --force... 
22:24:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Somethings i use docker and some i use baremetal cause its easier
22:24:40 <RavFX[m]> On Linux you just run the service local or in a container that at the end, run you're kernel.
22:24:40 <RavFX[m]> On windows, docker is simply the **best** way to run linux based services. And it's damn well integrated to that wsl2 stuff
22:27:05 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Docker compose works on win?
22:27:27 <RavFX[m]> yes
22:28:53 <RavFX[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Everything that normally run on Linux cli work I think.
22:29:10 <xmrscott[m]> Immutable OSes + pods are the way to go IMO to ensure against variable gremlins, although the Linux space isn't quite there in the server space
22:36:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Like silverblue?
22:36:25 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Also is there a podman image?
22:37:49 <RavFX[m]> Immutable, you can do that on Qubes OS quite easy.
22:37:49 <RavFX[m]> You get to choose what "activity" is immutable
22:57:02 <xmrscott[m]> Like Silverblue, yes. Used to be just Fedora's CoreOS, Silverblue, and Kinoite, but in the last quarter Fedora has doubled that with new spins for most of the other DEs
22:59:52 <xmrscott[m]> Anything that has a docker image should be runnable as a pod with very minimal changes
23:07:25 <xmrscott[m]> On the general consumer side Podman has also blown up with Red Hat releasing a 1.0 for Podman Desktop last month and one or two other misc gui pod management tools also becoming more accessible
23:07:53 <highfive[m]> <RavFX[m]> "Immutable, you can do that on..." <- > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Immutable, you can do that on Qubes OS quite easy.
23:07:53 <highfive[m]> > You get to choose what "activity" is immutable
23:07:53 <highfive[m]> do you use it as a daily driver?
23:11:59 <RavFX[m]> Of course, at least for now.
23:11:59 <RavFX[m]> Sometime the lack of hardware accelation outside of the dom0 annoy me.
23:12:28 <highfive[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Of course, at least for now.
23:12:28 <highfive[m]> > Sometime the lack of hardware accelation outside of the dom0 annoy me.
23:12:28 <highfive[m]> oh no hardware accel for x11/wayland?
23:13:49 <RavFX[m]> Only on the host.
23:13:49 <RavFX[m]> So all the stuff you run will go thru some kind of tunnel stuff. Only software rendering for theses.
23:13:49 <RavFX[m]> So windows move really well on the UI (because if's on the dom0)
23:13:49 <RavFX[m]> But what's inside of the window, no
23:14:41 <highfive[m]> that is a big turn off actually
23:15:13 <RavFX[m]> highfive[m]: I know
23:15:17 <RavFX[m]> Alternative is Windows (with docker desktop)
23:15:17 <RavFX[m]> Or Linux with broken GPU drive
23:15:21 <RavFX[m]> on my system.. lol
23:15:33 <RavFX[m]> s/drive/driver/
23:18:18 <highfive[m]> so it's gonna be dual boot debian qubes
23:18:40 <highfive[m]> You know I had to do it to em
23:30:11 <highfive[m]> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/gui-domain/
23:30:19 <highfive[m]> you prolly maint this @RavFX
23:30:37 <highfive[m]> s/maint/meant/
23:35:25 <RavFX[m]> <highfive[m]> "you prolly maint this @RavFX" <- Yeah, you can use that.
23:35:25 <RavFX[m]> Not all GPU play nice... If you can do run stuff that use 3D accel in that qube (like games). Also consider the security implication compared to a normal setup.