08:22:41 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/149nnrd/vote_on_the_future_of_the_monero_subreddit/
09:44:24 <k4r4b3y[m]> I like monero.town (and in general the federated structure of lemmy)
09:54:15 <k4r4b3y[m]> I see that forum.monero.space got rebranded? It was using the flarum forum software before. And now it switched to discourse software/
09:54:31 <k4r4b3y[m]> If its ofurm software was going to change anyways, why wasn't lemmy picked?
09:54:57 <k4r4b3y[m]> that way, monero.town and forum.monero.space could've bridged to each other (via the magical powers of federation)
09:55:17 <k4r4b3y[m]> and we wouldn't be asking the question: "to which should we direct the newcomers?"
10:01:51 <Mxthecomputerfox> wait, there are mastodon servers for the monero community?
10:03:57 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Only the fluffy
10:04:09 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> No offical for some reason
10:08:11 <cockliuser[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "If its ofurm software was..." <- > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> If its ofurm software was going to change anyways, why wasn't lemmy picked?
10:08:11 <cockliuser[m]> > 
10:08:11 <cockliuser[m]> Lemmy isn't forum-ish I'd say
10:08:34 <cockliuser[m]> When you hear forum you expect BB forums, not reddit clones
10:08:44 <k4r4b3y[m]> cockliuser[m]: > <@cockliuser:matrix.org> 
10:08:44 <k4r4b3y[m]> > Lemmy isn't forum-ish I'd say
10:08:44 <k4r4b3y[m]> no but it can be
10:09:13 <k4r4b3y[m]> cockliuser[m]: > <@cockliuser:matrix.org> When you hear forum you expect BB forums, not reddit clones
10:09:13 <k4r4b3y[m]> You want a BB? Here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
10:09:55 <k4r4b3y[m]> also, the reddit modal of doing the online discussion is nowadays  much more familiar to the netizens than how it was back in the BB days.
10:10:27 <cockliuser[m]> yeah but it's not really forum-like
10:10:39 <cockliuser[m]> reddit mode of discussion encourages echo chambers
10:11:09 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> More like discussion
10:11:52 <k4r4b3y[m]> I agree with the echo chamber stuff. However, isolated discussion communities like a singular instance of discourse is _also_ a breeding ground for echo chambers.
10:12:03 <k4r4b3y[m]> at least with federation, one can hear different voices from other instances.
10:12:28 <k4r4b3y[m]> that's my point: I wouldn't want to see a separation of online monero discourse between monero.town and forum.monero.space
10:12:39 <k4r4b3y[m]> they can be federated. we have the tech. let's use the federation.
10:13:36 <k4r4b3y[m]> I mean, forum.monero.space has been abandoned for years since nobody knew it existed
10:13:47 <k4r4b3y[m]> I was checking it from time to time and it was choke-full of AI spam messages
10:14:26 <k4r4b3y[m]> now it is getting rebranded with discourse software, but since it can't be federated, it is still under the danger being abandoned again
10:14:54 <monerobull[m]> thats pretty cool
10:15:12 <monerobull[m]> the bb thing
10:15:40 <monerobull[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "also, the reddit modal of..." <- i wouldnt use it becaues of this. it looks like stuff people used before i was born
10:15:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> monerobull[m]: > <@monerobull:matrix.org> the bb thing
10:15:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> I agree. I will install that to my website, too. And then federate with monero.town
10:32:23 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> I only care that my rss reader works with it
10:33:09 <k4r4b3y[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: > <@123bob123:matrix.org> I only care that my rss reader works with it
10:33:10 <k4r4b3y[m]> lemmy does
10:33:29 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Yeah 
10:33:41 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Miniflux working with monero.town
11:33:41 <playmate7782[m]> am bit confused. whats the diff between public view key and private view key?
11:34:01 <playmate7782[m]> public view for total mount on wallet and private for each transaction??
11:34:08 <playmate7782[m]> am I getting right?
11:35:43 <playmate7782[m]> one example earlier at beginning said charity using BITCOIN might get less charity if people think xyz charity got enough.
11:35:43 <playmate7782[m]> now 5 chapter its says for transparency charity can share public view key
11:37:04 <playmate7782[m]> what happen if I accidentally share private view key? its danger for future anonymity of transaction max right?
11:37:33 <playmate7782[m]> funds are safe as long as private spend key safe right?
11:40:22 <playmate7782[m]> or its like I can check one single transaction which I sent to charity
11:40:40 <cockliuser[m]> If you share your private view key, the person who has your private view key can see your incoming transactions 
11:40:41 <playmate7782[m]> * to charity with Charity's public view
11:41:36 <playmate7782[m]> whats info can some one else know with my public view key? total balance or confirmation of one single transaction?
11:42:26 <cockliuser[m]> Your address contains your public view key+public spend key 
11:43:27 <cockliuser[m]> To get the total balance the observer will need both your private view key and private spend key 
11:43:59 <cockliuser[m]> Private spend key for outgoing transactions and private view key for incoming transactions 
11:44:03 <playmate7782[m]> am reading mastering monero.
11:44:03 <playmate7782[m]> got confused with this phrase "if u make donation to the public address, you ca  use the view key to verify that the charity received your fund"
11:45:16 <cockliuser[m]> Ah yeah, if the charity has published its view key, you can check if it received some donation you sent, through a view only wallet
11:45:49 <cockliuser[m]> The private view key exposes all incoming transactions to the charity's wallet
11:49:24 <playmate7782[m]> their are 4 keys.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/40c8456004fe2f498e44ffe1db2eab8c262e67b6>)
11:49:55 <playmate7782[m]> dont know if am getting confused because of name.
11:50:32 <cockliuser[m]> Public key refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography
11:50:41 <playmate7782[m]> I get it that transaction are anonymous.
11:51:21 <playmate7782[m]> their is eg of charity willing sharing Public view key for transparency
11:51:43 <cockliuser[m]> The charity shares the *private* view key
11:51:59 <cockliuser[m]> Public view and spend key are simply for receiving funds
11:52:05 <playmate7782[m]> cockliuser[m]: I understand Bitcoin and 2 keys.
11:52:29 <playmate7782[m]> understand public and private key
11:52:40 <suitslie[m]> cockliuser[m]: is the public send one used by the external party to prepare the transaction for some address?
11:52:49 <cockliuser[m]> * receiving funds (your address is the combination of public view and spend key)
11:53:01 <cockliuser[m]> * receiving funds (your address is the combination of public view and public spend key)
11:53:38 <suitslie[m]> err, so that is a yes?
11:54:09 <cockliuser[m]> Public view and spend key, but yeah
11:54:25 <suitslie[m]> is there a pair for each subaddress?
11:54:35 <suitslie[m]> must be because otherwise one could associate addresses?
11:55:32 <playmate7782[m]> no but next para books says charity cannot reveal outgling transaction
11:56:16 <suitslie[m]> i'll need to learn
11:56:39 <cockliuser[m]> suitslie[m]: Monerodocs has a good page about subaddresses
11:56:42 <cockliuser[m]> https://monerodocs.org/public-address/subaddress/
11:57:05 <playmate7782[m]> Ok just tell me can I view outgoing transaction with private view key
11:57:23 <cockliuser[m]> playmate7782[m]: Nope
11:57:29 <cockliuser[m]> Just incoming ones
11:57:44 <cockliuser[m]> You need the private spend key for outgoing transactions 
11:58:22 <k4r4b3y[m]> cockliuser[m]: > <@cockliuser:matrix.org> 
11:58:22 <k4r4b3y[m]> > Nope
11:58:22 <k4r4b3y[m]> SeraphisFixesThis
11:58:41 <playmate7782[m]> cockliuser[m]: am reading mastering monero because its in simple English. would not read this book if I could understand docs and white paper
11:59:18 <cockliuser[m]> playmate7782[m]: That message was addressed to suitslie lol
11:59:19 <playmate7782[m]> cockliuser[m]: ok now thats clears lot of dount
11:59:20 <playmate7782[m]> * ok now thats clears lot of doubt
11:59:49 <cockliuser[m]> * Monerodocs has a good page about subaddresses and how the respective keys are derived for each subaddress
12:00:39 <playmate7782[m]> cockliuser[m]: am saying not spending but viewing past transaction
12:01:02 <cockliuser[m]> Yeah, you can't view outgoing transactions with the private view key
12:01:08 <playmate7782[m]> can private view key see past spebd transaction. am not talking about spending fund
12:01:19 <playmate7782[m]> cockliuser[m]: ok
12:01:23 <playmate7782[m]> got it
12:01:50 <playmate7782[m]> now will read again whole thing. it will be cleared
12:04:03 <k4r4b3y[m]> I love how quick the first 800 000 blocks of monero blockchain syncs...
12:16:34 <playmate7782[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "Public view and spend key are..." <- 👍👍👍👍
13:32:35 <suitslie[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "Monerodocs has a good page about..." <- 🤝
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