04:16:24 <Nothaveld> There is a site called Reiya and in their own words, "Reiya provides an easy way for anyone to support the Tor network by donating Monero to independent relay operators." "All relay data, including bandwidth statistics and XMR addresses, is fetched from Onionoo, an official service ran by the Tor Project." Every month on the second day, each relay will receive a percentage of the donation wallet equivalent to how much data they 
04:16:24 <Nothaveld> have relayed
04:17:23 <Nothaveld> so if you got any Monero to spare, and would like to support Tor relay operators, please consider supporting this Initiative  
04:17:36 <Nothaveld> Website: <https://reiya.io/>
04:19:10 <Nothaveld> There is also a onion link <http://reiyal5xiwnuf4vwzsmbt5gicutnpsfoxkwtgtdmroyxjhpj546bkqad.onion/>
04:36:15 <ajs_[m]> last MoneroKon 2023 Planning Meeting today @ 17:00 UTC in #monero-events:monero.social 
04:36:27 <ajs_[m]> agenda https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/852
11:39:06 <ShaneonConduitrs> https://github.com/Ultimaker/Cura/issues/15779
11:40:26 <k4r4b3y[m]> @boog900:monero.social do you have a matrix chat for cuprate?
12:01:39 <suitslie[m]> <Nothaveld> "Website: <https://reiya.io/>" <- half of those relays are quetzcoatl though
12:01:52 <suitslie[m]> is that a confirmed legit relay or one of those bandiwth spynode monsters?
12:02:09 <suitslie[m]>  * is that a confirmed legit relay or one of those high bandwith spynode monsters?
12:02:12 <suitslie[m]>  * is that a confirmed legit relay or one of those high bandwidth spynode monsters?
12:02:33 <suitslie[m]> i suppose those might just be kyun's nodes though
12:10:45 <boog900[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "@boog900:monero.social do you..." <- > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> @boog900:monero.social do you have a matrix chat for cuprate?
12:10:45 <boog900[m]> > 
12:10:45 <boog900[m]> Nope we have a Revolt server though 
12:10:51 <boog900[m]> https://rvlt.gg/DZtCpfW1
12:29:06 <playmate7782[m]> doea 2 min blocktime compared to 10 min trade security for faster transaction??
12:31:08 <playmate7782[m]> I guess original idea for 10 min was to avoid ot make hard 51% attack.
12:31:08 <playmate7782[m]> but since monero transaction are anonymous how can one reverse transaction if one have too much computer power
12:32:01 <playmate7782[m]> no one can know wallet address. transactions not like to wallet right?
12:32:53 <playmate7782[m]> Can USA  gov use its max resources and do 51% attack on monero? 
12:33:12 <playmate7782[m]> wont ASIC make it harder?
12:33:46 <playmate7782[m]> s/like/linked/
12:34:16 <ceetee[m]> <playmate7782[m]> "doea 2 min blocktime compared to..." <- faster initial confirmation. Withdraw is slower because of the 10 block delay time.
12:34:46 <ceetee[m]> playmate7782[m]: > <@playmate7782:matrix.org> I guess original idea for 10 min was to avoid ot make hard 51% attack.
12:34:46 <ceetee[m]> > 
12:34:46 <ceetee[m]> > but since monero transaction are anonymous how can one reverse transaction if one have too much computer power
12:34:46 <ceetee[m]> double spend still possible, spender has all the information he needs
12:34:55 <playmate7782[m]> it has to do with less mem pool 
12:35:48 <playmate7782[m]> ok but spender can do not some one else right?
12:36:30 <playmate7782[m]> 3rd party with no info, can he fuck with monero blockchain just to destroy monero if he have unlimiter resources
12:36:50 <ceetee[m]> playmate7782[m]: yes and no. They dont have idle CPU power and and they would have to shutdown more important things. And besides double spending they can't do much else, on bitcoin you can eg censor transactions with a 51% attack
12:38:05 <ceetee[m]> playmate7782[m]: No third party can prevent us forking an earlier state. Would still be a blow though, agreed
12:38:46 <playmate7782[m]> oh yea. I forgot about fork
12:39:15 <playmate7782[m]> so some one can have temporary pleasure after spending lot of money but cannot fuck it permanently
12:39:27 <ceetee[m]> <playmate7782[m]> "wont ASIC make it harder?" <- \>be government... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/9cacdf1593454f25d580800dcbfba75a30d5aced>)
12:39:49 <playmate7782[m]> 👍👍
12:40:30 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Tax asic
12:41:01 <ceetee[m]> With randomX they'd have to outlaw general purpose CPUs, lol
12:41:17 <ceetee[m]> I'll mine on my car head unit, if I have to
12:47:12 <k4r4b3y[m]> reaching enlightenment is mining on any and all idle CPUs around you.
12:53:46 <playmate7782[m]> whats monero blocksize now
12:53:57 <playmate7782[m]> I havr 128 gb sd card
12:54:13 <playmate7782[m]> should I order 1 tb to mine/run full node on pi
12:54:20 <ceetee[m]> no
12:54:23 <playmate7782[m]> or cant mine on pi
12:54:31 <ceetee[m]> raspberry is shit for that
12:54:34 <plowsof11> Trigger warning for pi
12:54:38 <playmate7782[m]> am going run full node
12:54:44 <ceetee[m]> because no hardware AES instructions
12:54:53 <playmate7782[m]> yea I know Pi Is shit
12:54:54 <ceetee[m]> full node also bad on rpi
12:54:56 <playmate7782[m]> it heats
12:55:03 <ceetee[m]> because slow AF storage
12:55:22 <playmate7782[m]> we have 40+ cel here in summer
12:55:33 <ceetee[m]> shitty nodes make the network worse
12:55:33 <playmate7782[m]> ceetee[m]: ok
12:56:01 <playmate7782[m]> how about running node without downloading entire block chain
12:56:24 <plowsof11> A full node though is 160+GB now
12:57:04 <ceetee[m]> playmate7782[m]: Well then its not a full node
12:57:37 <playmate7782[m]> yes
12:57:56 <playmate7782[m]> if I buy 500gb sd card
12:57:57 <k4r4b3y[m]> playmate7782[m]: > <@playmate7782:matrix.org> how about running node without downloading entire block chain
12:57:57 <k4r4b3y[m]> do it pruned. it is 1/3 the full node size.
12:58:00 <playmate7782[m]> can I 
12:58:18 <playmate7782[m]> yup I forgot the word PRUNED
12:59:00 <playmate7782[m]> My plan is to have a raspberry pi 4b only to run monero wallet
12:59:01 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Tree trimming 
12:59:02 <k4r4b3y[m]> this walks you through the setup: https://landchad.net/monerod/
12:59:06 <playmate7782[m]> nothingbelse
12:59:33 <ceetee[m]> SDcard has poor randomIO performance and the CPU has poor AES performance; both are critical for a smooth node operation
12:59:39 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Pixmrnode
12:59:45 <playmate7782[m]> * nothing else
13:00:30 <playmate7782[m]> ceetee[m]: can I have custom wotds?
13:00:39 <playmate7782[m]> * can I have custom words
13:01:02 <playmate7782[m]> on electrum wallet I added few words to SEED words
13:01:30 <ceetee[m]> DO NOT choose your own words for the seed
13:01:41 <ceetee[m]> it reduces randomness and makes it weaket
13:02:37 <playmate7782[m]> ceetee[m]: I dont. I let wallet generate seed words for my bitcoin. and add 6 words of my own which I wont forget
13:02:47 <playmate7782[m]> so if TAX authority gets 12 words
13:02:54 <playmate7782[m]> all they see is empty wallet
13:03:02 <oneeyedalien> what is the consensus on the best hardware wallet these days? Trezor? An airgapped raspberry pi (lol)?
13:03:55 <ceetee[m]> there is no concensus
13:04:10 <k4r4b3y[m]> playmate7782[m]: > <@playmate7782:matrix.org> 
13:04:10 <k4r4b3y[m]> > I dont. I let wallet generate seed words for my bitcoin. and add 6 words of my own which I wont forget
13:04:10 <k4r4b3y[m]> yeah you can do this with monero, too
13:04:16 <playmate7782[m]> I only write auto generated seed words on paper
13:04:20 <k4r4b3y[m]> I think it is called a "decoy wallet" or something like that
13:04:20 <playmate7782[m]> not added worde
13:04:43 <ceetee[m]> The way to do it is with a secret seed offset
13:04:43 <k4r4b3y[m]> oneeyedalien: > <@oneeyedalien:libera.chat> what is the consensus on the best hardware wallet these days? Trezor? An airgapped raspberry pi (lol)?
13:04:43 <k4r4b3y[m]> for me, it is feather wallet on a tailsOS persistent storage
13:05:08 <ceetee[m]> offset 0 => decoy wallet
13:05:08 <ceetee[m]> offset 164917491=> real wallet
13:05:17 <ceetee[m]> (or any other offset)
13:05:21 <playmate7782[m]> I can have multiple copies of my 12 words. and then I can add first 6 President or first 6 months jan, feb, etc
13:06:11 <playmate7782[m]> no worries about relatives fucking with me or tax authority or robber
13:07:20 <ceetee[m]> ceetee[m]: This is good because it gives you plausible deniability
13:11:00 <playmate7782[m]> so everyone trusted  have 12 word out of 18
13:25:36 <plowsof11> How many words does a monero seed have playmate 
13:26:38 <plowsof11> How many presidents lmao
13:28:37 <plowsof11> Mastering monero must contain some wild information (which you claim to be reading)
13:28:53 <ceetee[m]> not sure how many words
13:28:56 <ceetee[m]> Was it 24¿
13:29:01 <ceetee[m]> Or 25?
13:29:06 <ceetee[m]> * Was it 24?
13:29:17 <plowsof11> XD
14:27:29 <playmate7782[m]> <plowsof11> "How many words does a monero..." <- was giving an eg. on bitcoin electrum wallet I added 6 on auto generated 12
14:27:47 <playmate7782[m]> so was asking can I do same with Monero
14:27:52 <playmate7782[m]> make it 30
14:27:55 <playmate7782[m]> ?
14:29:00 <playmate7782[m]> am asking is it possible to add words to autogenerated words
14:29:31 <playmate7782[m]> I dont want to create all 24 seed myself
14:31:43 <playmate7782[m]> <plowsof11> "How many presidents lmao" <- I am from India. we have 15 president
14:33:38 <playmate7782[m]>  whole idea is let wallet create  auto generated seed. write on paper seed words. add first 5 president at tail of seed words. so Its easy to remember its SEED WORDS + 6 PRESIDENT
14:34:15 <playmate7782[m]> anyone if get my seed words still dont know about added words on seed
14:35:08 <playmate7782[m]> I can have multiple copy of seed words at diff places without worrying about  it going to wrong hands
14:36:16 <playmate7782[m]> s/5/6/
14:37:09 <playmate7782[m]> if anyone finds my 12 words seed of bitcoin they will see its never user wallet
14:37:33 <playmate7782[m]> so I want to do same with monero. now this depends on wallet to wallet
14:37:43 <playmate7782[m]> * to wallet on bitcoin
14:38:02 <playmate7782[m]> s/user/used/
14:40:16 <Side-trips[m]> Where is the most comprehensive source of monero's history and major improvements?  I was wondering how long monero has been as functional as it is now--then I remembered that's mostly opinion based on a bunch of factors like convenience, speed, etc 
14:40:18 <playmate7782[m]> my past experience with monero was With FREE WALLET. and I sold my moneroj in 2017 itself as was on conclusion that monero was shitcoin.
14:40:58 <playmate7782[m]> now I want to go all in monero. my moneroj are still on centralised exchange
14:41:16 <playmate7782[m]> will withrraw soon
14:41:24 <Side-trips[m]> doitnow
14:41:26 <playmate7782[m]> have bitcoin on self custody
14:41:40 <plowsof11> Seed offset (cant find the pretty article by anhdres atm) https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/zuj6wq/the_most_underrated_feature_of_monero_wallets_in/
14:43:20 <bobram[m]> Do you guys know any good SIP provider paid with Monero?
14:43:56 <anhdres[m]> plowsof11: https://link.medium.com/ooICMpTSHAb
14:48:33 <plowsof11> Side-trips https://resilience365.com/monero-timeline-notes/ has some info
15:12:17 <Side-trips[m]> delicious
15:13:01 <Side-trips[m]> I swear on everything, monero community is the most helpful/resourceful thing I've ever been apart of
15:13:35 <naphtha[m]> it's the best place on the internet really
15:13:43 <naphtha[m]> and i've been on the internet for a pretty long time
15:14:32 <rottenwheel> Hey naphtha, check this out. https://github.com/monerica-project/monerica/pull/70
15:14:56 <rottenwheel> Kyun is on there too. 
15:15:44 <k4r4b3y[m]> Side-trips[m]: Monero is king.
15:15:59 <k4r4b3y[m]> May we never degenerate like the btc-ers
15:20:03 <ceetee[m]> <anhdres[m]> "https://link.medium.com/..." <- ublock complains about the first because of possible tracking. this is better: https://anhdres.medium.com/416ff5198b2e
15:20:47 <ceetee[m]> very good explanation though
15:30:36 <anhdres[m]> Yeah I was on mobile and didn't checked 
15:34:32 <plowsof11> anhdres i hope tom doesnt hear about this
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18:38:14 <naphtha[m]> kyys
18:38:24 <naphtha[m]> great minds think alike mr cake
19:05:55 <Side-trips[m]> Chris is not answering me, pls someone tell me how to make so much money so fast
19:27:19 <naphtha[m]> same
19:49:32 <playmate7782[m]> am midway 5th chapter
19:49:41 <playmate7782[m]> I think I must stop reading
19:50:16 <playmate7782[m]> am disappointed with mastering monero
19:50:57 <playmate7782[m]> does not meet expectations
19:51:27 <playmate7782[m]> any alternative book
19:51:52 <playmate7782[m]> ?
19:52:26 <playmate7782[m]> or shall I not expect to understand unless I am good at maths and know bit of encryption
19:53:32 <playmate7782[m]> any video explaining RINGCT
19:54:35 <playmate7782[m]> am confused. if I do a transaction. where does are find decoy transaction ?
19:54:54 <playmate7782[m]> s/are/wallet/
19:56:43 <playmate7782[m]> what is key image Actually?
19:56:52 <playmate7782[m]> kind of Hash?
19:57:53 <playmate7782[m]> and everytime a transaction is done, entire blockchain is cjecked to make sure  key image not present?
19:58:06 <playmate7782[m]> s/cjecked/checked/
19:59:09 <playmate7782[m]> wont it be time consuming as time passes ? or whole blockchain can be scanning in seconds?
19:59:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rct outpudistributiont
20:00:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Takes sub 100ms to find decoys from node
20:06:36 <playmate7782[m]> and what is median block size today
20:07:35 <playmate7782[m]> still dynamic blocksize follows median of last 100 rule
20:07:37 <playmate7782[m]> am asking became this book is old compared to development speed in crypto
20:07:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrchain.net
20:11:10 <k4r4b3y[m]> playmate7782[m]: A second edition is sorely needed
20:12:34 <boog900[m]> <playmate7782[m]> "and everytime a transaction is..." <- the node keeps a list of spent key images 
20:15:40 <playmate7782[m]> does heavier transaction means big amount or big size?
20:18:01 <playmate7782[m]> In bitcoin I know that if I send some one 10 bitcoin from 5 diff 2 bitcoin input, size increases compared to single 10 btc to 10 btc transaction. sp same thing applies in Monero?
20:18:22 <playmate7782[m]> s/sp/so/
20:19:21 <Rucknium[m]> playmate7782: Yes. You can have a large number of inputs to a Monero transaction. Each input has its own ring. The max number of outputs is 16
20:19:43 <Rucknium[m]> Read Zero to Monero 2.0 if Mastering Monero isn't detailed enough
20:20:29 <Rucknium[m]> A larger number of inputs and outputs increases the transaction size.
20:20:53 <playmate7782[m]> Rucknium[m]: after completing this will surely check it
20:23:42 <playmate7782[m]> and one thing boggles me. bitcoin has 1 mb blocksize.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5a32ac18818dbeeccada999d4a8603c27ddfe45f>)
20:28:07 <playmate7782[m]> so dynamics blocksize of monero still smaller than bitcoin?????
20:28:07 <playmate7782[m]> and this means eventually monero might have scalling problem?? whats happens if monero transaction organically jumps 1000X or 10000X in next 5 years. 
20:28:07 <playmate7782[m]> how much blocksize will be needed if monero traffic jumps 1000X 
20:30:23 <playmate7782[m]> maintaining median size of last 100 blocks and with rapid growth, what happens of median  blocksize  is above threshhold
20:31:06 <playmate7782[m]> how will miners get paid? will developers change code and increase limit of block size?
20:35:02 <playmate7782[m]> before reading I thought monero might have blocksize same as bcash or more. I thought dynamic blocksize might be touching 100mb plus during high traffic
20:35:59 <playmate7782[m]> so when people think dynamic, people assume it can go in GB and dont bother to understand
20:36:32 <playmate7782[m]> s/think/read/
20:41:02 <playmate7782[m]> eventually people will ask about scaling and compare it VISA. can I get links about how Monero plan to solve 
20:47:26 <RavFX[m]> Monero can already outpace VISA right now AFAIK.
20:47:26 <RavFX[m]> Only issue could be the storage size of the blockchain buy, hey, 50TB drives are in the oven.
20:48:16 <RavFX[m]> s/buy/but/
20:50:09 <playmate7782[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Monero can already outpace VISA right now AFAIK.
20:50:09 <playmate7782[m]> > Only issue could be the storage size of the blockchain but, hey, 50TB drives are in the oven.
20:50:09 <playmate7782[m]> hmmm
20:50:24 <playmate7782[m]> but that can decrease no of full nodes
20:50:37 <playmate7782[m]> that's why no one touch Bcash
20:51:05 <playmate7782[m]> I finally understood Btc was worst than net banking when it comes to peer to peer
20:51:07 <RavFX[m]> playmate7782[m]: by the time the 50TB will be on the market, you could get 20tb for very cheap I'm sure.
20:51:27 <playmate7782[m]> RavFX[m]: yes u got the point
20:51:31 <RavFX[m]> You can get 8TB drive for like 100$-ish
20:51:42 <playmate7782[m]> hopefully monero goes organically
20:51:58 <playmate7782[m]> but transactions can explode 
20:55:12 <playmate7782[m]> s/goes/grow/
20:56:13 <RavFX[m]> At least there is option.
20:56:13 <RavFX[m]> Right now cheap storage like 1TB drive you can find literally everywhere.
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