07:16:35 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> I just discovered Mobile Coin.. lolz.. why wouldn't they just integrate XMR
07:16:38 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> Rookie decision
07:19:17 <ceetee[m]> Mobile coins purpose was to raise funds. And you can't raise funds, if you can't print em
07:22:32 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> As in, mobile coin can be printed like USD shit coin?
07:23:56 <ceetee[m]> not quite, but its POS and they control the supply
07:24:41 <ceetee[m]> Investors got mobile coins for cents on the dollar and they proceeded to dump the coins on retail when they went public
07:25:55 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> Sounds unique 😜
07:49:02 <modul8[m]> <ceetee[m]> "Mobile coins purpose was to..." <- thats a bingo 🤡🤡🥳🥳🚀🚀👀👀
08:15:50 <droid192> help: monero on trustwallet android?; only xmrt found ..
08:34:55 <nioc> Never trust something with trust in its name
08:36:06 <modul8[m]> thats too obvious, they wouldnt be obvious would they
08:37:21 <ceetee[m]> droid192:  please use an open source wallet like monerujo, cake or stack wallet
08:46:45 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Trust me bruh
08:54:34 <droid192> ok i do. 
08:54:34 <droid192> again: no monero on trustwallet many people left out, not good. Please also ping support :)
08:55:02 <droid192> goto support.trustwallet.com/en/support/home
08:56:13 <ceetee[m]> I have no interest on adding monero to close source software, especially wallets
08:57:00 <cockliuser[m]> droid192: closed source wallets like Trust Wallet have been historically insecure
08:57:03 <cockliuser[m]> https://blog.ledger.com/Funds-of-every-wallet-created-with-the-Trust-Wallet-browser-extension-could-have-been-stolen/
08:57:40 <cockliuser[m]> You're better off using a standard open source Monero wallet instead of a multichain one like Trust
08:58:30 <droid192> next: please add DOGE to cake! it is even utxo...
08:59:14 <droid192> @ehrenhofer
09:00:21 <ceetee[m]> stack wallet has doge already
09:01:38 <nioc> Also wow  :)
09:01:48 <ceetee[m]> if you plan on using crypto on a regular basis it might make sense to have a second wallet as a backup anyway, just in case some update brakes something
09:48:13 <droid192> who is behind stackwallet? 
10:00:40 <rbrunner> I would say Cypher Stack. See their GitHub: https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet
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13:11:04 <comradeblin[m]> woohoo
14:06:09 <k4r4b3y[m]> comradeblin: i heard you on monerotopia
14:06:23 <k4r4b3y[m]> Keep up the good work 👍
14:09:17 <comradeblin[m]> Oh, thanks :) I am currently trying to find a good traversalt to monerokon, cuz it is not cheap, and not easy, as I graduate on the 23rd, have family dinner, and go up to budapest at night, I need to arrive in Praha somehow at 10AM :D
14:10:05 <comradeblin[m]> traversal*
15:30:42 <nothsec[m]> What was the reason of that sinking of Moneros value?
15:44:02 <merope> Your guess is as good as anyone's
15:44:17 <merope> For the price, anyway. I think the actual value of Monero goes well beyond that
15:45:50 <comradeblin[m]> It is worth what you assign to it. it will be WAY more in the future :)
16:21:25 <dudeitwasntme> How do I get the date/time of a transaction and the fiat value at that time using RPC?
16:21:36 <dudeitwasntme> There is no mention of fiat in the RPC docs so I guess thats a seperate problem
16:27:24 <comradeblin[m]> you get the fiat value with an api. I suggest coingeco. that is what mymonero is using
16:27:40 <comradeblin[m]> for the date/time, I dont know. I'll get back to you in an hour.
17:10:01 <rbrunner> dudeitwasntme: My first guess would be COMMAND_RPC_GET_TRANSACTIONS, entry.block_timestamp
17:27:01 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> Hey are there any existing gaps around documentation for monero? Asking cause I'm thinking of doing some work and looking to help with any documentation that monero could benefit from. Looking for some ideas to get started
17:39:47 <dudeitwasntme> comradeblin: thanks
17:41:09 <dudeitwasntme> I notice Electrum (BTC) uses CoinGecko by default without an API key
17:42:17 <dudeitwasntme> ah theres a public API
17:57:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<sparto> Hey are there any..." <- Check out monerodocs.org
17:58:02 <k4r4b3y[m]> It is an existing documentation
17:58:36 <k4r4b3y[m]> It has some holes in it. I wanted to read up on the --proxy flag for the monerod, and couldn't find it there
19:16:10 <dudeitwasntme> When I use onchain_history, fiat_value works fine other than for payments received today... it is set to No Data for any transactions received today as it obviously doesnt have historical prices for today yet.
19:16:25 <dudeitwasntme> Obviously i can work around this but am I missing something obvious to get it to return the current value?
19:55:00 <comradeblin[m]> What do you guys thing about a lottery that is fully anonymous by using monero?
19:55:09 <comradeblin[m]> s/thing/think/
20:27:48 <apotheon> comradeblin[m]: sounds great
20:28:16 <apotheon> Use the lottery to fund good causes, like CI and FPC.
20:36:33 <comradeblin[m]> yea, like x percent to fund good causes and y to fund more monero projects
20:36:52 <comradeblin[m]> I think I'll make the lottery
20:42:41 <anarkiocrypto[m]> There is https://moneropot.org
21:01:03 <comradeblin[m]> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "There is https://moneropot.org" <- none of it goes to charity sadly. and too much goes for server maintenance
21:06:27 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Servers cost $10-$20/month and if the dev is running a full node, storage VPS are more expensive. So the lottery would need to raise $100/month to even pay for the VPS.
21:09:49 <anarkiocrypto[m]> * the VPS (at 10% for server maintenance).
21:14:34 <comradeblin[m]> 100$ for the vps, WHAT? For that lottery a 10$ ovh vps does the job imo.
21:16:54 <comradeblin[m]> That lottery does not need a storage vps neither a full node
21:17:50 <anarkiocrypto[m]> To reach $10 for the VPS via the 10% fee for server maintenance, the lottery would need to earn $100 in total.
21:20:04 <anarkiocrypto[m]> At $2.50 per entry, you would need to find 40 people to enter per month, so that you are not operating at a loss (not including the time and effort to write the code of the lottery).
21:21:16 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Marketing is another cost (to even find people who would enter the lottery).
21:30:21 <comradeblin[m]> I don't know, as I do not operate one, but you could go on Monerotopia if you are the one operating it, they love hearing about monero innovations.
21:32:59 <anarkiocrypto[m]> It isn't my project, the dev is here: https://old.reddit.com/user/Alagaris
21:33:43 <anarkiocrypto[m]> His comment about the 10% fee: "It barely pays for the server at this level. I'll most likely adjust this to 1-3% if it ever becomes large enough and put it all to the referral or the next fund for no referral."
21:34:08 <comradeblin[m]> I suggest him to ask Doug to be on Monerotopia
21:36:29 <anarkiocrypto[m]> You could PM him if you have a Reddit account.
23:11:11 <playmate7782[m]> what monero community think about zk snarks
23:12:22 <playmate7782[m]> does it makes much diff in speed of transaction compared monero ring sig
23:16:10 <playmate7782[m]> can monero be updated to use zk snarks ? does decoy transaction increase time for confirmation? 
23:20:52 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> Is haveno abandoned or paused?
23:21:01 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> Is serai replacing it?
23:21:56 <monerobull[m]> haveno and serai are different things
23:22:10 <monerobull[m]> haveno works with an orderbook, serai with liquidity pools
23:22:27 <monerobull[m]> there is already a haveno testnet, it seems to be getting closer to launch
23:32:59 <TrasherDK[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<sparto> Hey are there any..." <- RPC could use a do-over => completion, as some stuff is still only documented in source-code and/or commit messages.