00:57:06 <modul8[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<sparto> Is haveno abandoned..." <- A new testing release came out several hours ago. Yes, so go test it...
10:19:43 <k4r4b3y[m]> <font color="#789922">>tfw you send a tx and it gets 1 conf instantly</font>
11:13:09 <arch1> exit
12:43:04 <gingeropolous> best 2Fa app currently?
12:43:29 <froggles> aegis isn't bad
12:45:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aegis or keepass dx
12:46:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Keepass dx lets you enter passwords and 2fa without using clipboard
12:46:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Via its "magikeyboard"
12:49:08 <gingeropolous> danke
13:39:04 <RavFX[m]> <gingeropolous> "best 2Fa app currently?" <- I vote for Aegis!
13:39:04 <RavFX[m]> Specially if you need to 2fa something on you're phone and don't want to wait forever for keepassXC to open the database (and having the application that asked the 2FA to reset because Android like to kill/clear you're application)
13:39:04 <RavFX[m]> Nice backup options with Aegis, and also the capacity to import most other 2FA db.
13:53:09 <luks2[m]> would yall trust any other privacy coins?
13:53:27 <susman1[m]> why do sites like travala take monero
13:53:42 <susman1[m]> surely it would ruin the network over time
13:56:38 <luks2[m]> susman1[m]: ruin the monero network?
13:58:08 <susman1[m]> luks2[m]: yessir
13:58:14 <RavFX[m]> <luks2[m]> "would yall trust any other..." <- Not really
13:58:58 <RavFX[m]> susman1[m]: I was thinking it was adding value, you don't need to do the switchero gymnastic and on trocador and instead, you can just ... pay?!
13:59:08 <RavFX[m]> s/and//
14:04:57 <froggles> Having 2fa in a password manager kinda seem to defeat the point of 2fa
14:05:51 <RavFX[m]> froggles: I was also thinking about that one
14:06:15 <comradeblin[m]> <susman1[m]> "surely it would ruin the network..." <- Thats BS, that is what monero is for. Using it.
14:06:47 <comradeblin[m]> It is accepting monero, so it is adopting it. making it more recognized.
14:14:29 <woollyrhino> how's atomic swaps coming along? how's the liquidity?
14:15:12 <woollyrhino> and is there a wallet that niclued that funcation that you could reccomend?
14:15:35 <woollyrhino> includes* function*
14:16:17 <comradeblin[m]> what function?
14:17:53 <woollyrhino> atomic swaps
14:28:42 <suitslie[m]> @Morpheus wdyt at some point in the future to open source the code of Trocador and infra related stuff for resilience?
14:30:47 <RavFX[m]> suitslie[m]: Main things about trocador, is to ping the different swapper API to find best prices. then opening order for you on one of them. Finally, monitoring the order.
14:30:47 <RavFX[m]> You can make one yourself without looking at the source, it's not that complicated. Actually, it's quite simple thing to do.
14:31:13 <suitslie[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Main things about trocador, is to ping the different swapper API to find best prices. then opening order for you on one of them. Finally, monitoring the order.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/55022f1241bb8c9ae7cd07ddedaec25fd1f366f9>)
14:31:30 <RavFX[m]> suitslie[m]: Just look at the different provider, they have documentation for API usually
14:32:07 <suitslie[m]> imagine if there were some way to auto-scrape APIs and integrate
14:32:15 <suitslie[m]> and just send for approval of exchange
14:33:01 <Morpheus[m]> suitslie[m]: We discussed this once. This could be possible in the future, once we are well stablished on the market. But it does not make sense for us right now.
14:33:53 <suitslie[m]> Morpheus[m]: 👍👍👍👍 i agree
15:05:14 <susman1[m]> <luks2[m]> "how would 1 site offering monero..." <- 1 address kyc'd means that the ring signature gets easier to guess
15:06:09 <susman1[m]> susman1[m]: 1 more address kycd = more known address in a ring sig
15:50:57 <merope> you could make that argument about anyone you ever transact with
15:51:17 <merope> but the beauty of it is that more adoption -> more rings -> harder to trace anyone in particular
15:52:32 <merope> otherwise there's no point in spending any crypto ever, and it would all be completely pointless
15:55:05 <merope> besides, even with the current ring size of 16, you'd need to know >95% of all rings before you could start capturing like 1% of all others
15:55:09 <merope> (or something close to those numbers - there's an MRL paper that talks about that in detail)
15:55:30 <merope> and in future updates it's gonna get even better
19:39:07 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> How so?
21:14:00 <bridgerton[m]> <sparto> nvm.. it just clicked what you meant. Having the 2fa within (inside) the pw manager! Gotcha. Yes and no
21:55:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> My 2fa isnt for "protect from STOLEN password backups" its for "protect from hacks/leaks"
21:55:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> If my password backups are being lifted from my devices, i deserve to be pwned 
21:55:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> ..personally
21:55:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hack leaks like "myspace passwords leaked" 
21:57:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> If im, for example, unlocking aegis and keepass dx on a vuln device, im liely getting everything stolen inckuding 2 different master passwords
21:59:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Different strokes for different folks. I use both aegis and keepass, but the convenience of keepass keeping everything together is solid enough for me
22:00:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its worse for me if i hsve keepass backup but lose aegis, or vice versa (happened recently.. aegis backup was old, lost some 2fa)
22:07:26 <chesterfield[m]> I use rectal and mouth temperature fingerprint for my 2fa.
22:07:34 <RavFX[m]> You can set Aegis to autobackup when you add a 2FA!
22:07:40 <chesterfield[m]> Sorry that was supposed to be xm
22:07:43 <chesterfield[m]> Dm
22:08:29 <leoDMsopen[m]> chesterfield[m]: I hope no one ever kidnaps you for your xmr
22:09:27 <RavFX[m]> Did not see how deep to take temperature, might have to bruteforce to get it right
22:30:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> <RavFX[m]> "You can set Aegis to autobackup..." <- Yeah, but my phone broke and the backup was a couple weeks old etc
22:30:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> So i was locked out of everything until i got into the phone via adb screen sharing and performed a manual one to grab the latest ones 
22:30:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Keepass backup is local, so my syncthing had it
22:31:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/backup/storage
22:31:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> * of everything new** until i
22:37:20 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Ban
22:37:26 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Restic tx_extra
22:55:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Frfr