00:43:53 <Alex|LocalMonero> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk:" <- ?
00:44:12 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> ¿
00:44:32 <naphtha[m]> ⁉️
00:47:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Alex|LocalMonero: ?!?!
00:48:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> For some reason i thought we were in localmonero room 🫠
07:46:16 <k4r4b3y[m]> <DanrdarkIsnotthe> "I use random usbs on the ground..." <- QubesOS fixes this
09:31:31 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> No fun 
09:33:36 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Plus i don’t use Siemens plc in my nuclear substation 
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12:41:15 <comradeblin[m]> just to be exact, it is 144 usd, most ppl calculate with usd
12:43:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Borrrrring
12:43:44 <Jonah[m]1> Guys, what do when earth magnetic field goes away ?
12:44:12 <naphtha[m]> glue yourself to the floor
12:44:21 <Jonah[m]1> naphtha[m]: Gravity
12:44:36 <Jonah[m]1> Use mirrors are umbrellas thats one plan
12:45:05 <naphtha[m]> yeah you should do it now
12:45:08 <naphtha[m]> just in case
12:45:10 <naphtha[m]> you never know
12:45:29 <Jonah[m]1> Ok my concern is solar flares and monero nodes
12:45:57 <Jonah[m]1> s/are/as/
12:50:23 <merope> Monero nodes will be the least of your worries in that case
12:52:29 <Jonah[m]1> How so ?
12:52:43 <Jonah[m]1> Sorry I'm just curious.
12:56:36 <comradeblin[m]> <Jonah[m]1> "Guys, what do when earth..." <- You will be long long long dead then
12:56:57 <comradeblin[m]> everything will float
12:56:58 <comradeblin[m]> so
12:57:44 <comradeblin[m]> I guess really sticky shoes until the ground is made from metal, then use astronaut like anti gravity magnetic shoes
13:01:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> <Jonah[m]1> "Guys, what do when earth..." <- Askchatgpt
13:01:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not like the question hasnt been answered 
13:02:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just has absolutely revance to monero or cryptography
13:02:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wheres the #astronomy channel
13:03:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> The #nasa channel the #geography channel
13:05:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> "what happens if cows stop producing milk?" Is what i read
13:06:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> The correct answer is "aliens"
13:07:01 <k4r4b3y[m]> <Jonah[m]1> "Sorry I'm just curious." <- Ask you.com
13:07:13 <RavFX[m]> <comradeblin[m]> "everything will float" <- Magnetic field != Gravity ;)
13:07:13 <RavFX[m]> everything will get UV/radiation roasted, Drinks will evaporate...
13:07:45 <RavFX[m]> Mars is a good case study for when the magnetic field go kaput
13:09:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> According to my web searches, Venus and Mars lack any measurable magnetic field. Venus lacks a magnetic field due to both its slow rotation and a lack of convection currents from the core. Mars is believed to have once had a magnetic field, but its core solidified and can no longer generate a magnetic field. Mercury has a very weak magnetic field due to its slow rotation
13:12:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why do planets need magnetic fields?
13:12:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Planets need magnetic fields for several reasons. One reason is that magnetic fields protect a planet from the charged particles streaming out from the Sun in the form of the solar wind1. The particles are deflected outwards by the magnetic field lines. This prevents the solar wind from eroding the planet's atmosphere over time2. 
13:13:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> What happens if we lose ours?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d11cb0ede413e016ef7a503e4558b8808cc5cd64>)
13:14:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> This was another episode of "search dumb shit for me". Tune in next time for more useless info
13:14:45 <naphtha[m]> soooo truueeee
13:14:47 <RavFX[m]> And if we lose the atmosphere, the ocean will evaporate at ambiant (because lack of pressure)
13:15:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> No atmosphere, no protection from the sun
13:15:23 <naphtha[m]> all of this is fake btw everyone knows the earth is flat
13:15:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fry bitches 
13:15:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not flat, dumbass. Its obv hollow. Everybody kniws this /s
13:16:56 <sech1> "Why do planets need magnetic fields?" since when planets have needs, lol?
13:17:08 <sech1> they just spin around in the orbit
13:17:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Facts. We need magnetic fields, not planets 😂
13:17:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/not planets/planets dont
13:18:02 <RavFX[m]> Earth magnetic field have some weird shenanigans over part of latin america (I think somewhere over there)
13:18:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably the entrance to the hollow earth
13:19:02 <RavFX[m]> the "South Atlantic anomaly"
13:19:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> South atlantis*
15:10:48 <monerobull[m]> what does the monerujo service do?
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15:18:27 <monerobull[m]> least inconsistent monero software
15:19:24 <monerobull[m]> these transactions all go to the same address 
15:20:48 <naphtha[m]> what version is that lol ive never seen that
15:30:48 <monerobull[m]> so from the bottom up, #1 with the 43xmrbuL is sending to my own wallet with send to many to create outputs
15:31:07 <monerobull[m]> the received is from that
15:31:25 <monerobull[m]> the sen unknown amount was made in monerujo
16:26:35 <selsta> monerobull[m]: shouldn't it display a single out transaction when you send to yourself? unless you use subaddresses / subaccounts then I'm not sure how it should look
16:29:21 <monerobull[m]> Idk, sending to self always looks real weird
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16:47:10 <sgp[m]> Daily audits!
16:48:45 <naphtha[m]> lol
17:18:34 <datafrag[m]> <sgp[m]> "Screenshot_20230621_114636_Teleg..." <- context? newb here
17:52:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tldr: dont trust elite
17:53:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> And scrutinized? Sure. I looked at the github and said "dont use this shit"
17:54:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> i tested the app and said "dont use this honeypot"
17:54:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> I tried to test a later version and signatures changed and majestic disappeared. i said "wth? Lol. Definitely dont use this"
17:55:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sorry, i mean elite* disappeared
17:55:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> It was just a coincidence that elite and majestic were down and unreachablefor the exact same period of time
17:55:43 <Siren[m]> <sgp[m]> "Daily audits!" <- By our developers 🤦‍♀️
17:55:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> datafrag:  is that enough context?
17:56:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: How else do you do an audit 🥹😭😆😵
17:56:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> "out copy-paster extrordinaires"*
17:57:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/out/our/
17:57:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not even a peer review, claims they do audits 😂😂
17:58:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Post the results of these daily audits 😂😂
17:58:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> result: PERFECT. NOTHING TO SEE HERE
17:59:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its almost like theyre proud to be scum
18:03:57 <merope> <datafrag[m]> "context? newb here" <- Auditing the code is a pretty big task, it involvrs comprehensive and thorough review and testing, and you typically want some external expert to do it so that they can look at it with fresh eyes. It's something you do once in a while, e.g. before a major release or some big changes to a critical component. So the person who wrote "daily audits by our developers" is clearly just some PR person giving a canned response and
18:03:57 <merope> has no idea what they're talking about 
18:07:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not some pr person
18:07:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> That majestic and their slimeball responses to everything 
18:08:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> "the exchange you can _trust_" "cake wallet is spyware, elite wallet isnt" 
18:08:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bunch of lies 
18:08:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elite never audited cakes code.
18:08:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elite never audited wallet2_api.
18:09:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elite never audited monero's the --proxy implementation (it was leaking, found by raver tobtoht and myself), which i believe elite uses for its honeypot
18:10:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elite hasnt dont anything other than add --proxy and their own lipstick on cake. They literally pull cake code in and iirc they still dont do commits with proper author attribution
18:12:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not playing devils advocate for a service that at every opportunity lies to their users
18:17:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> These things are true... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/033e4c06dd878f778a6e2000233c94c7fdc37aec>)
18:18:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> "dont trust. Verify."
18:18:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> unless its elite. Then youre supoosed to trust that their developers (who copy pasted cake) are auditing code?
18:19:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Auditing without.. yknow.. having results of said audit?
18:21:04 <ceetee[m]> elite wallet is the only wallet that support 24 and 25 words!
18:21:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Majestic/elite thinks youre all stupid enough not to ask this. To just accept "we audit daily"
18:21:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> majestic's only response to me is unexplained fud. Even majestic wont open his fat mouth and say what ofrnxmrs agenda is. Majestics agenda clearly includes lying, cheatin, stealing, and bribing to get ahead 
19:25:41 <sgp[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Elite hasnt dont anything..." <- fwiw, --proxy is coming in our next release: https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/pull/966
19:31:10 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> What colour lipstick is it??
20:09:27 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1671532807284301827
20:10:03 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> * https://nitter.sethforprivacy.com/sethforprivacy/status/1671532807284301827
23:15:43 <susman1[m]> anyone here used travala with monero?
23:16:48 <susman1[m]> like if you book a hotel would you have to put down card details for payments during the stay?
23:22:44 <datafrag[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "datafrag:  is that enough..." <- yeah, elite was a trading platform though right?
23:31:07 <suitslie[m]> <merope> "Auditing the code is a pretty..." <- you have to be a pro in switching perspectives. you have to go from "this here is X, Y and Z and may not be ..." to "what is the quickest and easiest way to fuck this system up beyond repair and where did the devs most likely screw up and not consider something because it is common for humans to not consider such stuff?"