00:14:54 <rottenwheel> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Monero https://matrix.to/#/#..." <- Will I ever be able to join most of those rooms? 🤔 
00:15:14 <rottenwheel> Voldemort needs to be permanently outlawed! 
06:03:41 <k4r4b3y[m]> <LeriaReynolds[m]> "https://www.brighteon.com/56e71e..." <- > <@common_sense2021:matrix.org> https://www.brighteon.com/56e71e66-980c-47ba-8d39-77bc89420778
06:03:41 <k4r4b3y[m]> MoneroTalk on Brighteon wen?
06:04:54 <k4r4b3y[m]> Monero content creators should move to brighteon after this gesture
07:33:47 <mlcboss[m]> <apotheon> "mlcboss: I misunderstood your..." <- yes i have two option in local monero , sell my monero to cash or direct bank transfer.
07:33:47 <mlcboss[m]> i do not want any trouble or a bank decided to restrict my account and asking me question
07:33:47 <mlcboss[m]> the monero is legal is not from drug selling or laundering , what im doing is legal and i pay taxes
07:42:30 <plowsof11> The person sending you the bank transfer could be involved in all of the above ^ and now you're guilty of the same crimes until proven innocent 
09:06:27 <mlcboss[m]> <plowsof11> "The person sending you the..." <- i don't get it , how does it work?
09:06:27 <mlcboss[m]> why use a bank account for doing illicit activity , isn't those are very traceable
09:07:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Depends on location
09:08:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> why? Bcuz in nigeria they dont check for counterfeits. Or bcuz in country b only the sender is liable.
09:09:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Incountry c, youre an accomplice 
09:09:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Would you prefer to neet ofrnxmr in an alleyway? With cash?
09:10:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats not private at all.
09:10:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> cant get much more Traceable than fingerprints and physical location with literal eyes on you
09:12:19 <mlcboss[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: i usually use cash transfer service , less risky.
09:12:19 <mlcboss[m]> cash by mail is also fine but it is risky but not as meeting in person and handing the money directly
09:12:30 <mlcboss[m]> so absolutely no
09:13:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> First you say 
09:13:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> > the monero is legal is not from drug selling or laundering , what im doing is legal and i pay taxes
09:13:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> then you say 
09:13:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> > why use a bank account for doing illicit activity , isn't those are very traceable
09:13:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Make your mind up
09:13:17 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Leta meet up at the 3rd light lamp in the park after dark
09:13:34 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Make sure your bot followed
09:13:44 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/bot/not/
09:13:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> mlcboss[m]: > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> i usually use cash transfer service , less risky.
09:13:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> > cash by mail is also fine but it is risky but not as meeting in person and handing the money directly
09:13:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah? Ask drug dealers how much less risjy wrench attacks are
09:15:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> "i usually use"... dont you mean "ive never used.. im learning"
09:17:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> tf lol. Btw everybody, hoarding IS investing
09:18:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Afaict theres literally absolutely 0 difference
09:18:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Synonyms 
09:18:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Note: Investing is not trading.
09:19:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> note2: Investors are not traders
09:20:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> <apotheon> "I'd say "hoarding" in its most..." <- ^
09:20:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Context
09:21:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Investing and hoarding have nothing to do with ROI
09:22:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont invest for the sole purpose of selling. That would be a x term investor, or a trader
09:22:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your retirement fund is an investment.
09:22:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its fkn hoarded fir 50 years
09:23:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😭😭😭😭😭 im sorry. Im ranting bcuz ppl just make shit up, trying to sound smart
09:24:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nothing i dislike more than matter-of-fact statements that wholly opinions pulled from nowhere
09:24:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> * statements that are wholly opinions
09:29:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> mlcboss:  you want to swap xmr for _____
09:29:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> youll have drawbacks from whatever the pair is.
09:29:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> you cant atomic swap fiat. You need to give up privacy in any case 
09:30:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bank deposit? They have your banking info, you have insurance
09:30:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> cash in person? They have everything if they want it
09:30:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> cash online? Same as bank deposit, perhaps less. 
09:32:57 <mlcboss[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Make your mind up" <- most of my money is on monero , i invest on it and no i don't get it from illicit activities.
09:32:57 <mlcboss[m]> i only sell them when i really needed cash to live
09:32:57 <mlcboss[m]> i currently just sell it to cash directly via cash transfer service 
09:33:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> A) in private but must share your info
09:33:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> B) decentralized but in public for all to see
09:33:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> C) centralized and traacked at every step, but in private. 
09:33:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> My monero comes from selling illicit goods to criminals in sanctioned countries 
09:33:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> But i digress
09:34:01 <susman1[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: dammm
09:34:06 <susman1[m]> badman
09:35:10 <mlcboss[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Bank deposit? They have your banking info, you have insurance... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/91d8ffb63a4ab04281244c22910ee2228a1ebba2>)
09:35:25 <susman1[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: what does that include?
09:35:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats more offtopic than monero
09:37:10 <susman1[m]> mlcboss[m]: > <@mlcboss:matrix.org> there is no privacy in fiat , you basically will get recorded
09:37:10 <susman1[m]> > 
09:37:10 <susman1[m]> > atleast when using a cash transfer service my bank account will not get restricted and i get to asked a bunch of question
09:37:10 <susman1[m]> cash deposits and transfers are literally more anon than monero due to the possibility of it being cracked being 0 while XMR is higher theoretically
09:37:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> mlcboss:  right. I use transfer services and force security qs etc to ensure i did my due diligence to ensure the funds arent stolen from grandma via IRS phone call 
09:37:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> susman1[m]: 0 is false
09:38:01 <susman1[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ?
09:38:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> More like 100
09:38:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are backdoors built into every regulated money transfer service 
09:38:46 <susman1[m]> no not cash
09:38:56 <susman1[m]> it literally is not digital
09:38:58 <susman1[m]> monero is
09:39:07 <susman1[m]> the theoretical risk is higher with monero
09:39:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> okokokok
09:39:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youre talking about hard paper 
09:39:40 <susman1[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: yh
09:39:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> But still, i can hand you fakes 
09:39:56 <susman1[m]> fair
09:40:23 <susman1[m]> also they are both safe to the point of XMRs higher risk not being a problem it is only in theory
09:42:01 <susman1[m]> and monero is very close to it and ever better than cash in quite a few scenarios
09:57:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lolololol i just noticed bch rally
09:57:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> What a musky rug 
09:58:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 80% in a week or so, now ahead of xmr
12:21:30 <louissignet[m]> Am I the only one that nevers buy XMR directly?
12:21:41 <louissignet[m]> I'm always buying BTC, sending it to a lightning wallet
12:21:46 <louissignet[m]> and then doing a swap from lightning to xmr
12:22:05 <louissignet[m]> I lose like 5% on the whole charade but I least know for a fact nobody knows I bought any Monero at all.
12:25:19 <mlcboss[m]> louissignet[m]: localmonero accept alot of payment methods and it's P2P 
12:25:19 <mlcboss[m]> for fees is depends on payment method your paying
12:25:38 <mlcboss[m]> louissignet[m]: but why do you that?
12:44:32 <thiccy[m]> i usually end up doing either ltc -> xmr from an atm or on-ramp from an exchange i can deposit to without bank fees and swap btc -> xmr. there’s almost always a nearby atm.
12:44:32 <thiccy[m]> the nice thing about the exchange other than privacy concerns is that they pay the nasty transaction fees.
12:44:33 <thiccy[m]> still not ideal. i would like to do it more directly
12:50:06 <apotheon> ofrnxmr[m]: The term "hoarding" has strong negative connotations and, culturally, tends to imply a lack of utility purpose.  The term "saving" tends to mean it's there for a purpose such as a "rainy day fund" or building for a big purchase.  Obviously, people can use words differently.  To communicate effectively, one must establish meangings of terms in the present conversation, by means
12:50:12 <apotheon> somewhere between assumed common understandings or explicit agreement.  You can get angry with me for trying to do that, but it's not every productive to take that attitude.  If you don't want to talk to me because you like using the word "hoard" to mean "I like having two pennies to rub together as a good luck charm" or whatever meaning you keep in your head, then you have fun with that, and you
12:50:18 <apotheon> don't have to interact with me if you're just going to get pissed for no good reason.
13:12:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> invest =/= save
13:36:54 <louissignet[m]> On the 'regulation talk' ArticMine made a point about the risk of a specific bitcoin UTXO being used for a crime. And that UTXO being linked back to you in the future. 
13:37:10 <louissignet[m]> That's a very important point. I summarize it as follows
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13:37:40 <louissignet[m]> I'm glad people a re figuring that out
19:18:07 <scragglez[m]> any recommendations for email services that accept monero?
19:19:01 <naphtha[m]> why not use some free email service like tutanota
19:19:33 <k4r4b3y[m]> scragglez[m]: > <@scragglez:matrix.org> any recommendations for email services that accept monero?
19:19:33 <k4r4b3y[m]> that's a good question. I could see an email service that I can pay monthly a small amount (couple of bucks) with XMR being useful.
19:19:34 <naphtha[m]> otherwise you could rent a cheap vps and self host a mail server, this is the safest most private way
19:19:57 <k4r4b3y[m]> naphtha[m]: > <@naphtha:kyun.host> why not use some free email service like tutanota
19:19:58 <k4r4b3y[m]> mainly in order to avoid giving personally identifiable info, and keeping yourself fully anonymous
19:20:17 <scragglez[m]> Yeah I don't want to do that
19:20:21 <k4r4b3y[m]> naphtha[m]: > <@naphtha:kyun.host> otherwise you could rent a cheap vps and self host a mail server, this is the safest most private way
19:20:21 <k4r4b3y[m]> quite difficult task, that requires constant maintenance and a fair bit about how mail servers work
19:20:29 <scragglez[m]> yet
19:20:30 <scragglez[m]> but love the avatar naphtha bang bang
19:20:33 <naphtha[m]> there are plenty of vps providers that accept monero, including kyun, but some of our ip subnets are blocked by spamhaus, you should check spamhaus for any blacklist
19:20:40 <naphtha[m]> i heard privex is good as well
19:20:46 <naphtha[m]> scragglez[m]: 3huunnnnaaa
19:20:49 <scragglez[m]> plus warming up IPs, not getting sent to spam/blocked
19:21:11 <naphtha[m]> k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> therwise you could rent a cheap vps and self host a mail server, this is the safest most private way
19:21:11 <naphtha[m]> > quite difficult task, that requires constant maintenance and a fair bit about how mail servers work
19:21:11 <naphtha[m]> > 
19:21:11 <naphtha[m]> check out docker-mailserver
19:21:17 <naphtha[m]> it's what i've been using for years
19:21:17 <scragglez[m]> wait, you work with kyun naphtha ?
19:21:19 <Maximillian[m]> k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@naphtha:kyun.host> why not use some free email service like tutanota
19:21:19 <Maximillian[m]> > mainly in order to avoid giving personally identifiable info, and keeping yourself fully anonymous
19:21:19 <Maximillian[m]> > 
19:21:19 <Maximillian[m]> You don't have to provide any personal information to use Tutanota.
19:21:23 <naphtha[m]> simplest method i found
19:21:27 <naphtha[m]> scragglez[m]: i run it lol
19:21:36 <scragglez[m]> no shitt
19:21:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> Maximillian[m]: > <@maxi:millian.se> 
19:21:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> > You don't have to provide any personal information to use Tutanota.
19:21:45 <k4r4b3y[m]> do they allow user registrations over their tor hidden service?
19:22:06 <Maximillian[m]> Oh, I think they don't.
19:22:17 <scragglez[m]> That's awesome man. I love it. Especially y'alls node library noderowallet. Excellent stuff naphtha 
19:22:25 <naphtha[m]> theres some free mail provider that's tor only but i forgot the name
19:22:30 <naphtha[m]> scragglez[m]: thanks brother
19:22:47 <scragglez[m]> oblock <3
19:22:50 <k4r4b3y[m]> Maximillian[m]: > <@maxi:millian.se> 
19:22:50 <k4r4b3y[m]> > You don't have to provide any personal information to use Tutanota.
19:22:50 <k4r4b3y[m]> On paper, protonmail say this, too. However, in practice, it is (was) near impossible to stay completely anon and register an account on PM.
19:23:02 <Maximillian[m]> k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@maxi:millian.se>... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/379f02b605d7b85bb5cc217ea886dce39d018cec>)
19:23:22 <scragglez[m]> Did you do the frontend/web dev work yourself? 
19:23:24 <Maximillian[m]> k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@maxi:millian.se>... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d51443e7024fa0fe24bd6a2caa443bda3910c2e6>)
19:24:02 <naphtha[m]> scragglez[m]: i do everything myself lol, i work with some people but they don't do any development or sysadmin work
19:24:39 <k4r4b3y[m]> Maximillian[m]: > <@maxi:millian.se> 
19:24:39 <k4r4b3y[m]> > Registration has to happen over a regular connection but they then support using the service over Tor. Not the best.
19:24:39 <k4r4b3y[m]> Not the best, indeed. So, here is a niche that some new email service can occupy. XMR-paid emails, with completely anon registries, no personal identifiable info required. The spam deterrent is the monthly XMR payment of couple of bucks.
19:24:45 <scragglez[m]> I like the retro pixel style
19:24:56 <naphtha[m]> k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > Registration has to happen over a regular connection but they then support using the service over Tor. Not the best.
19:24:57 <naphtha[m]> > Not the best, indeed. So, here is a niche that some new email service can occupy. XMR-paid emails, with completely anon registries, no personal identifiable info required. The spam deterrent is the monthly XMR payment of couple of bucks.
19:24:57 <naphtha[m]> > 
19:24:57 <naphtha[m]> _writing this down_
19:25:33 <scragglez[m]> Yeah, email service would be fun to set up. Shouldn't be terribly difficult to set up as a service - spin up some dovecot servers
19:26:56 <scragglez[m]> Would be a great excuse to play with: https://jmap.io/
19:27:06 <naphtha[m]> running it wouldn't be the hard part, having a server ran by someone you trust not to shut everything down once some retard inevitably decides to do something illegal using your service is the hard part
19:28:17 <naphtha[m]> not that anything illegal will be allowed, but some providers don't even let you handle the problematic customer before shutting you down
19:37:23 <scragglez[m]> meant to send this message here but does anyone know why the monero.town lemmy instance is down?
19:38:02 <RavFX[m]> monerobull: 
19:38:32 <k4r4b3y[m]> scragglez[m]: Under ddos afaik
19:38:38 <scragglez[m]> :(
19:38:44 <scragglez[m]> this is why we can't have nice things
19:40:17 <monerobull[m]> It's dos from a Lemmy exploit 
19:40:29 <monerobull[m]> I'm in Prague for monerokon, will try and fix it on Tuesday 
19:40:47 <scragglez[m]> oh interesting, is there a CVE/bug tracker for it?
19:41:00 <naphtha[m]> monerobull[m]: spez is working overtime
19:47:30 <naphtha[m]> lemmy is....different
19:47:37 <naphtha[m]> why the fuck do they have to use websockets for everything
19:48:42 <scragglez[m]> ay yo, what's wrong with websockets
19:48:56 <scragglez[m]> though that is surprising it's needed for a web app like that
19:49:21 <naphtha[m]> nothing but i havent heard of anyone using them for literally everything
19:49:21 <scragglez[m]> are sockets used to push updates to home feed? Just an open socket listening?
19:49:25 <naphtha[m]> a chat system sure
19:49:34 <naphtha[m]> but they use it for shit like login
19:49:35 <scragglez[m]> chat system or game yeah
19:49:37 <naphtha[m]> register
19:49:41 <naphtha[m]> every action
19:49:42 <scragglez[m]> ah that's odd
19:52:48 <Maximillian[m]> Even newcomers can end up developing complex, large applications. It may be that they learned about WebSockets and came to like them, but they don't know when not to use them.
19:53:27 <RavFX[m]> it's like json (other reason, but it add inefficiency literally everywhere)
19:53:51 <RavFX[m]>  * it's like json (other reason, but it add inefficiency literally everywhere)
19:53:51 <RavFX[m]> Only thing it speed up is development speed.
19:54:10 <Maximillian[m]> It happens and it's completely understandable. But we do suffer structural issues from it. 😋
19:55:11 <RavFX[m]> websockets are great for constant data flux.
19:55:11 <RavFX[m]> say for example, You you pull live data from exchanges.
19:55:22 <RavFX[m]> s/You/When/
19:56:42 <RavFX[m]> But people don't use the best tool for there application.
19:56:42 <RavFX[m]> They use the easiest tool or the tool they know the best. Even if it's extremely inefficient to do so.... I look at you, Matrix
19:57:22 <Maximillian[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> it's like json (other reason, but it add inefficiency literally everywhere)
19:57:23 <Maximillian[m]> > Only thing it speed up is development speed.
19:57:23 <Maximillian[m]> > Only thing it speed up is development speed.
19:57:23 <Maximillian[m]> Exactly. And it makes communication back and forth more controllable. You get to direct the flow inside a defined 'conversation'.
19:57:32 <naphtha[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> But people don't use the best tool for there application.
19:57:32 <naphtha[m]> > They use the easiest tool or the tool they know the best. Even if it's extremely inefficient to do so.... I look at you, Matrix
19:57:32 <naphtha[m]> lol whats wrong with matrix
19:57:42 <naphtha[m]> i mean the whole event system and shit is pretty bad
19:57:48 <naphtha[m]> i love the way revolt & discord do it
19:57:51 <naphtha[m]> way better
19:58:20 <RavFX[m]> naphtha[m]: Json for everything right?
19:58:20 <RavFX[m]> A binary protocol would be extremely more efficient (on both bandwidth and client/server CPU usage)
19:58:22 <naphtha[m]> naphtha[m]: and using xml for pretty much everything
19:58:43 <scragglez[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> But people don't use the best tool for there application.
19:58:44 <scragglez[m]> > They use the easiest tool or the tool they know the best. Even if it's extremely inefficient to do so.... I look at you, Matrix
19:58:44 <scragglez[m]> you just perfectly described my personal project development methodology
19:58:49 <RavFX[m]> But making a binary protocol for your chat program and dealing with raw socket is too hard for most people or sonething
19:59:01 <naphtha[m]> RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Json for everything right?
19:59:01 <naphtha[m]> > A binary protocol would be extremely more efficient (on both bandwidth and client/server CPU usage)
19:59:01 <naphtha[m]> i think the point was to make it as easy as possible to develop things for it
19:59:24 <naphtha[m]> they seem to care about backwards compatibility as well
19:59:43 <naphtha[m]> thats why the xml everywhere comes from i think
19:59:50 <Maximillian[m]> naphtha[m]: So many things! But I wouldn't bash it at this point. It's here to stay, and XMPP had had its chance for many years.
20:00:03 <naphtha[m]> i mean if you use a client that allows you to view sources of matrix messages like cinny
20:00:06 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, it's also my point.
20:00:06 <RavFX[m]> It make it easy, and extremely inefficient.
20:00:06 <RavFX[m]> Backward compatibility can be down when you design you're own binary protocol
20:00:09 <RavFX[m]> s/down/done/
20:00:10 <naphtha[m]> check the source of a reply message
20:00:36 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Most matrix client sux
20:00:37 <naphtha[m]> they include the whole message you're replying to in the body
20:00:40 <naphtha[m]> like its contents
20:01:14 <Maximillian[m]> That's a major flaw with Matrix; the permanence of events.
20:01:42 <RavFX[m]> naphtha[m]: That can be also done with a binary protocol, add a message id, and when reply, use a specific opcode for message reply that include a reply-to id somewhere in the packet
20:01:45 <Maximillian[m]> But that's about where I care. They're still working to improve it in many ways.
20:02:43 <RavFX[m]> Maximillian[m]: Well, even if they where not, I guarantee you that there are scrapper in all Monero matrix room, would change nothing to not keep persistence
20:03:22 <Maximillian[m]> I mean that it's bound to grow in size.
20:03:33 <RavFX[m]> Ah yeah, that's a good point
20:03:55 <Maximillian[m]> The only way to clear is to routinely create a new room and delete the old.
20:04:17 <Maximillian[m]> In stead of in-room history deprecation existing.
20:05:26 <Maximillian[m]> They are working on server-to-server sliding sync. So that not all participating servers will need to have all messages at once.
20:05:50 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Archieve:matrix.org
20:07:23 <Maximillian[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: archive.matrix.org is neat.
20:07:55 <scragglez[m]> <Maximillian[m]> "That's a major flaw with Matrix;..." <- agreed
20:09:52 <Maximillian[m]> I do think the UI should make it clearer to a member of a room what the rules are; whether it's public to join or public to view, which the participating servers are. The latter they're actually working on.
20:09:54 <naphtha[m]> lol why did matrix hq ban their own service
20:11:09 <Maximillian[m]> naphtha[m]: @archive:matrix.org? Could be that they already suffer from a lot of traffic and this made it worse, possibly.
20:12:11 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Probably, scrapping every room
20:14:09 <scragglez[m]> why would they care about scrapping their own service? 
20:15:42 <naphtha[m]> isnt it scraping? lol
20:16:14 <Maximillian[m]> naphtha[m]: Scrap that. 😉
20:17:01 <scragglez[m]> anyone used njal.la to register a domain? 
20:19:27 <naphtha[m]> no but i heard they suck
20:19:44 <naphtha[m]> try nicevps, heard good things about them and they allow 100% anonymous registration
20:20:06 <RavFX[m]> As long as you don't get .is domain I think it's fine
20:20:18 <naphtha[m]> anonymous as in you don't even have to provide a fake name
20:20:21 <RavFX[m]> but for .is they got many pirate stuff or something related they they got forced to disable them if they did not want to lose access to .is domain totally
20:20:56 <scragglez[m]> love that naphtha obviously for actual vps will have to show kyun love 
20:21:16 <scragglez[m]> * that naphtha , obviously for
20:24:17 <RavFX[m]> I do like kyun UI too.
20:24:17 <RavFX[m]> It change from the others vps services lol
20:26:32 <naphtha[m]> thank you, main reason i started it was because i was tired of every single vps provider i tried using whmcs with the default theme and not having any way of managing your vps
20:26:49 <naphtha[m]> felt the need of doing something different
20:28:01 <scragglez[m]> at this point might as well spin up a new js/css framework kyunUI
20:28:12 <naphtha[m]> lmao
20:34:35 <M-coffeeplease-[> <scragglez[m]> "anyone used njal.la to register..." <- Yes, just worked for me.
20:38:06 <naphtha[m]> speaking of domain registrars
20:38:21 <naphtha[m]> epik straight up fucking scammed me out of like 20 dollars
20:38:30 <naphtha[m]> a couple weeks ago
20:39:09 <scragglez[m]> how so? lol
20:39:31 <naphtha[m]> bought the domain and it never showed up in my account
20:39:41 <naphtha[m]> no response from customer support
20:40:24 <naphtha[m]> i opened a dispute on paypal but they allow like 2 weeks for the merchant to reply and dispute the dispute
20:41:00 <naphtha[m]> after which you have to manually change the claim to something else i forgot what its called or else the claim gets dismissed
20:41:13 <naphtha[m]> i forgot to change the claim of course so it got dismissed
20:41:21 <scragglez[m]> damn, respect the hustle
20:41:26 <naphtha[m]> lol
20:41:32 <naphtha[m]> dont hate the player hate the game
20:41:54 <naphtha[m]> its a sad period for free speech
20:42:41 <naphtha[m]> poa.st getting hacked, kiwifarms forced to go tor-only despite being 100% legal under us law, epik going bankrupt
20:43:07 <naphtha[m]> not that i ever used poa.st or kiwifarms but its still sad
20:45:07 <scragglez[m]> never heard of either of those
20:45:39 <scragglez[m]> poa.st landing page does seem neat though, lemmy seems promising if enough communities can get spun up
20:48:56 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> So the dispute in paypal you have to manage it yourself?
20:49:00 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Thats stupid
20:49:11 <naphtha[m]> scragglez[m]: poa.st is just a fediverse instance populated mostly by edgy people, kiwi farms is a forum where autists talk about other autists and make fun of them, their so-called "lolcows"
20:49:17 <naphtha[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: yep
20:49:23 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Maybe looks good for there kpi.
20:49:29 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Dispute resolved winrar
20:49:31 <naphtha[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: paypal is stupid and sucks in general
20:49:39 <naphtha[m]> xd
20:50:16 <Achifaifa[m]> <k4r4b3y[m]> "> <@maxi:millian.se>..." <- > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@maxi:millian.se>... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e5398f7187af262a3b750eee6b659edc1a7276da>)
20:51:13 <naphtha[m]> <scragglez[m]> "poa.st landing page does seem..." <- just take a look at this short list of other instances blocking them to get an idea of why it got people so mad that they hacked them https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=poa.st
20:52:09 <scragglez[m]> dang that's a high score
20:53:30 <scragglez[m]> So they(poa.st members) got mad that ontop of being blocked by many servers they were also hacked?
20:54:09 <naphtha[m]> no, i was saying the people that blocked them got so mad that they hacked them
20:54:22 <scragglez[m]> oh okay that makes more sense
20:54:31 <scragglez[m]> also what are these 2001 timestamps doing
20:55:01 <scragglez[m]> that's not when the beginning of the universe and UNIX were created
20:55:46 <naphtha[m]> no clue
20:56:18 <naphtha[m]> probably just the default date for missing data
21:39:19 <comradeblin[m]> Hey guys, is there need for a working randomx vanity generator with gui?
21:51:31 <naphtha[m]> why do you need a gui for a vanity generator
21:51:45 <comradeblin[m]> I do not
21:51:50 <comradeblin[m]> read the question.
21:52:11 <naphtha[m]> ah yeah sorry got a headache
21:53:07 <naphtha[m]> ive been thinking of making a wasm version of mkp224o so it can be ran from a browser
22:07:53 <scragglez[m]> <comradeblin[m]> "Hey guys, is there need for a..." <- no but there is for a email service that's privacy focused and accepts monero
22:08:20 <scragglez[m]> I'll give you 5$/month for it
22:10:21 <comradeblin[m]> scragglez[m]: I'd need a dedicated server for that to make a mail server, and custom domain costs
22:10:43 <comradeblin[m]> I am not sure it thats worth it, but if there is enough people, I could do it.
22:11:29 <comradeblin[m]> :use me ask an "I need it" button:
22:23:54 <RavFX[m]> <scragglez[m]> "I'll give you 5$/month for it" <- Rent a server at Kyun and install Mailu?
22:24:02 <RavFX[m]> s/server/VPS/
22:26:44 <naphtha[m]> our 4 euro vpses are constantly sold out 😿
22:26:52 <naphtha[m]> cheapest offer rn is 8 eur a month
22:27:01 <RavFX[m]> Can install you're own iso and have vnc access I think so you can also encrypt you're VPS
22:27:19 <RavFX[m]> I recommend at least 2GB of ram for a mail VPS, if you want to AV too
22:27:49 <naphtha[m]> yeah but full disclosure i can read the vm's ram so it's possible to get the disk encryption key
22:27:57 <naphtha[m]> this is true for every single vps provider
22:28:02 <RavFX[m]> naphtha[m]: true
22:28:12 <naphtha[m]> except for google cloud with their confidential computing stuff
22:29:14 <scragglez[m]> >tfw too stupid to understand cors
22:29:40 <naphtha[m]> app.use(cors)
22:29:41 <naphtha[m]> ez
22:29:50 <scragglez[m]> literally what I'm doing
22:30:13 <naphtha[m]> iirc safari and other webkit browsers will block cors requests sent with *
22:30:25 <naphtha[m]> so you have to actually specify the domain
22:30:58 <scragglez[m]> Right now everything is localhost just on different ports
22:31:22 <scragglez[m]> just trying to get session from web app to validate it's a legit api call
23:21:15 <scragglez[m]> <naphtha[m]> "app.use(cors)" <- lol had quickly hardcoded the fetch to have `127.0.0.1` and http was populating origin as "localhost" 
23:24:08 <naphtha[m]> i have no idea where else i could ask this
23:25:16 <naphtha[m]> but did the exploit used by the fbi that exploited gnome videos to get the ip of some retard that was extorting children for cp through facebook back in 2020 ever get released?
23:25:34 <naphtha[m]> the fbi having a 3 year old 0 day is kinda worrying to me
23:26:22 <naphtha[m]> and it sounds like something even worse than what they claim because to get access to the clearweb from tails requires root
23:26:24 <scragglez[m]> you think they just have 1? 
23:26:26 <naphtha[m]> which gnome videos doesn't have
23:26:34 <naphtha[m]> idk man
23:26:38 <naphtha[m]> i hope not
23:27:36 <scragglez[m]> you happen to have a link to that?
23:28:01 <naphtha[m]> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/06/12/facebook-paid-for-a-0-day-to-help-fbi-unmask-child-predator/
23:28:01 <naphtha[m]> https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyz3jy/privacy-focused-os-tails-wants-to-know-how-facebook-and-the-fbi-hacked-it
23:28:01 <naphtha[m]> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/06/facebook_helped.html
23:31:22 <scragglez[m]> There are probably a bunch of n-days associated with videos/codecs but not sure if that makes you feel better naphtha 
23:31:28 <scragglez[m]> thanks for the article
23:32:19 <naphtha[m]> yeah its worrying
23:32:33 <scragglez[m]> relevant: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity23/presentation/vasquez
23:33:46 <naphtha[m]> not that i ever really cared about opsec that much i mean theres plenty of ways for law enforcement to find my identity without even touching my computer, but at the same time i'm not doing anything super illegal
23:42:34 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Google search?
23:43:39 <naphtha[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: no results for any cve
23:44:00 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> For your id!
23:44:08 <naphtha[m]> ohh
23:44:45 <naphtha[m]> lol no but i pay for servers and domains and shit using my real name
23:45:21 <scragglez[m]> Honestly based on the one article it was something that exposed his IP address
23:45:52 <naphtha[m]> yes, thats why its strange they said its an exploit with gnome videos because obviously it doesnt have root
23:46:06 <naphtha[m]> they would've needed a privilege escalation exploit
23:46:23 <RavFX[m]> But privilege escalation exploit are quite common.
23:46:38 <naphtha[m]> in linux?
23:46:42 <scragglez[m]> yes
23:46:48 <RavFX[m]> yes, they pep quite regularly
23:46:55 <RavFX[m]> s/pep/pop/
23:47:05 <scragglez[m]> it could've been something very trivial 
23:47:19 <RavFX[m]> Last one I read about was about using netfilter to escalate 😂
23:47:27 <scragglez[m]> I'd bet it was tbh
23:47:58 <scragglez[m]> also could've been something stupid with web rtc 
23:49:04 <RavFX[m]> I would not trust any Linux if someone breach local
23:49:09 <naphtha[m]> i mean i know privilege escalation for linux existed but not that it was common
23:49:38 <RavFX[m]> except Qubes maybe, if it breached "local" in a VM, assuming there is no know working XEN escape available at the time of the attack
23:50:11 <RavFX[m]> They get patched fast but there plentyfull
23:50:25 <RavFX[m]> some of them are like >5-10 years old sometime
23:50:34 <scragglez[m]> naphtha[m]: It's pretty common yeah
23:50:36 <RavFX[m]> I really wonder what exploits the glowies have in there collection
23:52:01 <naphtha[m]> https://youtu.be/AbG6u86t4bA