00:30:27 <ctrose010[m]> Hello! For some reason, I am unable to click Payment Proof in Monero GUI when using a Ledger Nano X
00:43:10 <RonaldR34g4m> oh well, maybe you should use bitcoin instead 
00:43:21 <RonaldR34g4m> you can get the same privacy if you use lightning network or liquid etc
00:44:35 <RonaldR34g4m> supported by Blockstream Jade 
00:44:54 <RonaldR34g4m> which is a much better and safer option than a dodgy ledger product
00:45:07 <RonaldR34g4m> for cold storage...
00:45:35 <RonaldR34g4m> run. your own node with blockstream products, get yourself their antenna and transact over satellite comms
00:45:39 <RonaldR34g4m> use layer 2, layer 3 
00:45:47 <RonaldR34g4m> but dont get lost in the monero bullshit 
00:45:59 <RonaldR34g4m> oh I just noticed this is monero s channel 
00:46:10 <RonaldR34g4m> uhhh.. I'll just leave for now 
00:46:14 <RonaldR34g4m> lol
01:36:05 <plowsof11> notices #monero:libera.chat is a monero channel and offers tips and tricks for using bitcoin securely 
01:37:24 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Shill
01:38:18 <plowsof11> reads like an anti-bitcoin shill 
02:09:25 <Achifaifa[m]> Can't even tell if it's satire or not at this point 
02:28:41 <RavFX[m]> What I did see layer 3 I did guess it was satire
02:28:41 <RavFX[m]> Or do that are actually layer 3 stuff on bitcorn now?
02:29:48 <bioset[m]> Id regard custodial lightning wallet as L3 interface
03:04:57 <maxenttech[m]> Any Python web developers around? I'm hiring a back-end or full-stack developer for a project involving Monero.
03:21:14 <riceandbeans> Python for Monero? Gross.
03:23:30 <maxenttech[m]> Python is for the web app.
03:27:39 <imprevisto[m]> python not dead
05:55:33 <comradeblin[m]> <maxenttech[m]> "Any Python web developers around..." <- Hey, I am available
05:55:37 <comradeblin[m]> Feel free to message me
05:57:09 <comradeblin[m]> <riceandbeans> "Python for Monero? Gross." <- Your problem being? Python is an awesome language, it is not the fastest, thats all.
06:03:03 <comradeblin[m]> <imprevisto[m]> "python not dead" <- His problem is that it is slow i think, but #MoneroSubscriptionsWallet is in python too. No problem with slowness
06:28:38 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> yeah was  gonna say the sub wallet is python
07:05:20 <comradeblin[m]> Also, we are looking for suggestions for both the sub and the business wallet with luke
08:37:56 <comradeblin[m]> IVPN or Mullvad?
08:39:20 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> i use iVPN  and no account info neede
08:39:24 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/neede/needed/
08:49:52 <k4r4b3y[m]> <comradeblin[m]> "Also, we are looking for..." <- Luke Smith?
08:50:16 <comradeblin[m]> Luke Profits
08:50:25 <comradeblin[m]> The main dev of the sub wallet
08:51:23 <comradeblin[m]> <DanrdarkIsnotthe> "i use iVPN  and no account..." <- I am thinking on that. Also I realized that Viktor Vecses is hungarian from the Monerokon IVPN.
08:51:56 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> yeah
08:52:04 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> he floats on matrix too
08:52:57 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> and also they seem to get audit quiet a lot. no logging audit, infrastructure audit
08:53:08 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/audit/audited/
08:54:10 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> https://github.com/lukeprofits/Monero_Subscriptions_Wallet
08:56:00 <comradeblin[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: why have you pasted the Sub link?
08:56:17 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> for k4r4b3y
08:56:24 <comradeblin[m]> RymdLord[m]: the devices does not store the monero, the seed does
08:56:30 <comradeblin[m]> your seed is your wallet
08:56:56 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> your just restore the same wallet
08:57:06 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/restore/restoring/
08:58:15 <comradeblin[m]> wdym? you just open the same wallet on an other computer
08:58:21 <comradeblin[m]> It has the money
08:58:36 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> 127.0.0.1 transaction
08:58:59 <comradeblin[m]> Wallet 1 (10$) - pc1   you open pc2 and enter the seed of the wallet 1 from pc1, you will have the same 10$
09:00:11 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> easier to find out what your trying to do
09:01:00 <comradeblin[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: Thats why to use your own node :)
09:01:36 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> i mean why is rym asking the question
09:01:36 <comradeblin[m]> ahhaaa
09:01:44 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> but yeah run your own node!
09:01:55 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> makes plowsof happy
09:03:05 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> my next monerotalk episodei have to listen too is about monero sub wallet
09:03:06 <comradeblin[m]> :D
09:03:35 <comradeblin[m]> I am just selecting the parts for my home server rn, will run p2pool instance, xmrnode, and a lot else
09:03:49 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/episodei/episode/
09:04:08 <comradeblin[m]> RymdLord[m]: OHHH, you need to scan the transaction ids then
09:04:10 <merope> RymdLord[m]: You probably forgot to set the restore height to something before your first transaction, so the wallet did not scan the chain
09:04:32 <merope> There's a rescan function that will rescan the entire chain from 0
09:05:04 <merope> And then you should see all your transaction history again (assuming you got the seed right)
09:05:21 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> yeah restore height or wrong seed phrase
09:05:37 <comradeblin[m]> merope: wait a minute? how do I do that in Monero GUI, cuz I used my ledger, and it is bugged, 1 restore height, but didnt restore the txs, I had to scan the ids one by one lmao
09:05:43 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> wont see the $$
09:06:39 <merope> RymdLord[m]: If you get the restore height wrong, nothing bad happens - your wallet just won't see your past transactions, so you won't see any Monero that you might own until you rescan
09:06:48 <comradeblin[m]> "Rescan Wallet Balance" didnt work xd
09:06:57 <merope> But all your coins are forever on the chain, so they can't be lost
09:07:36 <merope> As long as you have the correct seed, you can always recover your coins (write it down on a piece of paper and store it safely!)
09:07:51 <comradeblin[m]> merope: unless u forget ur seed 💀
09:08:59 <merope> comradeblin[m]: That only rescans the known txes to check for spent outputs, I think. There should be a separate function to actually do a full rescan, but it might be available only in advanced mode?
09:08:59 <comradeblin[m]> RymdLord[m]: You did everything correctly, you just didnt set the recover height
09:08:59 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> sounds like restore height then
09:12:09 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> i think there using monerujo
09:12:47 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> --restore-height <arg> 	Only scan for transactions later than specific blockchain height. The default is 0. Raising the value makes wallet restoration radically faster. The optimal value should match the day you originally created the wallet (but cannot be later). The mapping between the block height and date/time is available on block explorers like https://xmrchain.net. For instance, if you created the wallet in 2019+ use 1730000.
09:12:52 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> thats for cli
09:13:43 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> yeah 
09:13:51 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> but your using ujo?
09:14:03 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/ujo/monerujo/
09:14:28 <merope> RymdLord[m]: No, seed offset is a different thing entirely. Leave empty if you did not use it when you generated the wallet
09:15:52 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> you can re create the wallet again. nothing gets lost
09:16:57 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-GUI-guide/blob/master/monero-GUI-guide.md#restoring-from-seed
09:17:58 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> How to change Wallet restore height / Wrong or zero balance after synchronizing... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/1e80f3eb9d9aee3d5f58e6864691a0ba7198aa6a>)
09:19:02 <merope> A full rescan should take way longer than that
09:19:09 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> yeah
09:19:13 <merope> Yes
09:21:07 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-GUI-guide/blob/master/monero-GUI-guide.md#how-to-change-wallet-restore-height--wrong-or-zero-balance-after-synchronizing
09:21:59 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> you using ledger?
09:23:08 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> 😕
09:26:33 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> doesn't matter what device it is as long as you have the seed phrase
09:27:27 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> thats diff
09:27:30 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> was it ledger?
09:29:19 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> ledger is separate device
09:29:56 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> https://shop.ledger.com/
09:32:37 <merope> I'm not sure why are you sending so many links to things unrelated to the issue at hand (restoring a wallet on Monerujo)
09:34:12 <merope> Oh, ok, I guess I got confused with all the other messages
09:35:09 <merope> Anyway, just try to redo the restore procedure from seed. Make sure you set restore height 0, no seed offset, and let it do its thing (it should scan the whole chain)
09:40:30 <merope> It's just the password to decrypt your wallet files
09:40:39 <comradeblin[m]> you cannot have "inbuilt ledgers"
09:41:17 <merope> Seed offset is a completely different thing, it actually changes your seed into a different seed, so it's like you're restoring a completely different wallet
09:41:57 <merope> RymdLord[m]: I know, it's a little confusing
09:44:29 <merope> Correct, and none of those thing are a seed offset
11:35:02 <gingeropolous> lulz. xmr-pr bot called my a nub. touche bot
14:58:17 <naphtha[m]> <RonaldR34g4m> "you can get the same privacy..." <- no you dont lmao
14:58:33 <naphtha[m]> ah shit i didnt notice how far up i was lol
16:09:15 <louissignet[m]> Found a cafe that accepts crypto in Berlin
16:18:19 <louissignet[m]> Cafe Holzmarketperle for those that want to spend their crypto
16:18:37 <louissignet[m]> They only take lightning but whatever, one can always swap
16:36:24 <k4r4b3y[m]> <louissignet[m]> "They only take lightning but..." <- Do they run their own LN node?
16:44:29 * louissignet[m] uploaded an image: (2432KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/DucSlUfqHfGiPUxEUgjpSfYY/ima_8b16a06.jpeg >
16:44:29 <louissignet[m]> Perhaps, there’s a raspberry pi next to the Bitcoin books
17:33:25 <k4r4b3y[m]> <louissignet[m]> "Perhaps, there’s a raspberry..." <- Ask them if they are using custodial LN or not
17:33:57 <k4r4b3y[m]> Rpi is a special fetish of the core cucks
18:04:29 <louissignet[m]> QR was from a custodial ln service, so no.
18:34:33 * louissignet[m] uploaded an image: (90KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/uQVziGkIaFEkItNcCuHaEbfA/prime_trust_keys_underscore.jpg >
18:35:16 <louissignet[m]> Maxis favorite qualified custodian literally lost the keys to their wallet. 
18:35:16 <louissignet[m]> How much BTC was effectively burned?
18:35:16 <louissignet[m]> This is why we need Tail Emission ( or Demurrage ) if you want a long-term stable monetary supply.
18:50:35 <ctrose010[m]> Thank you for helping me understand this! I was unsure why there is no hard cap on Monero for a supply.
18:55:15 <louissignet[m]> The problem must people concentrate is on miners security budget ( having enough incentive for miners to keep mining )
18:55:38 <louissignet[m]> But I care about the long term supply problem. Price discovery needs a healthy liquid supply
18:56:23 <ctrose010[m]> Yeah, these are all issues with BTC. Soon, so many will be lost, and the network will have a majority control. I support Monero!
18:57:19 <louissignet[m]> Btc is not proof of work but yeah supply is an issue for a variety of reasons.
18:57:22 <louissignet[m]> Sorry
18:57:26 <louissignet[m]> Proof of stake*
18:57:43 <louissignet[m]> Btc is not proof-of-stake*
18:58:10 <ctrose010[m]> Well, to me, if a company contributes to a majority of the processing power, can't they make changes to the chain?
18:58:47 <ctrose010[m]> That is, if the number of miners lowers greatly due to no incentives.
19:00:19 <dudeitwasntme2> Is there any way for my app to received notifications when there is a transaction on a particular wallet address, like there is in Electrum (Bitcoin)?
19:02:33 <louissignet[m]> Yea that would be a problem. Miners need incentives
19:03:17 <louissignet[m]> dudeitwasntme2: Only if you surrender your view keys to a third party or you run a wallet 24/7 on background mode on android 
19:07:43 <merope> <dudeitwasntme2> "Is there any way for my app to..." <- Yes. You could use monero_wallet_rpc for example. There should be a function called "tx_notify", or something like that. There are other methods as well, depending on your setup
19:08:16 <merope> louissignet[m]: Nope
19:08:32 <plowsof11> lol
19:10:02 <leoDMsopen[m]> what's the best hardware wallet for monero
19:10:36 <plowsof11> ah ok, i see where louis is coming from. but yep --tx-notify Command %s (where command could be "python3 somescript.py" and the first argument would be the txid (at 0 confs, then again at 1st conf)
19:24:06 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Monero cli integration to signal???
19:31:39 <louissignet[m]> <merope> "Nope" <- Well, in effect you are storing your view keys in a vps and running the wallet 24/7 albeit in a computer instead of an android.
19:33:28 <louissignet[m]> Sure it can be done. I never said it couldn't be done. I just wrote two different ways of doing it. Doing it via a server would be a third way.
19:47:28 <merope> You do realize that "a server" and "a vps" are equivalent in this case, right? Nothing stops you from running that on a local machine within your control. You don't need to hand your viewkey to a third party - even if you're relying on a remote node
19:54:24 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> They found me!
20:30:55 <louissignet[m]> <merope> "You do realize that "a server..." <- Sure if you have a computer at home, it would still need to run 24/7. The second scenario I described, doesn’t matter if it’s an android, a server, a local machine, a laptop.
20:34:36 <k4r4b3y[m]> <louissignet[m]> "prime_trust_keys_underscore.jpg" <- What's the source for this?
20:35:57 <louissignet[m]> Twitter, search for prime trust
20:37:08 <k4r4b3y[m]> thanks, just found an article about this
20:39:21 <dudeitwasntme2> louissignet: yes, I am running my own node and daemon, which I talk to via RPC
20:39:42 <dudeitwasntme2> merope: i dont see anything tx_notify in the docs but that is exactly what im looking for
20:39:44 <dudeitwasntme2> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/daemon-rpc.html
20:39:46 <dudeitwasntme2> nothing there
20:41:44 <merope> https://web.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html
20:42:06 <merope> Though it might not be complete ^
20:42:11 <merope> https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monero-wallet-rpc-reference/#other-useful
20:42:33 <merope> ^ this shows --tx-notify (it's a startup flag for the rpc wallet)
21:12:42 <dudeitwasntme2> merope: ah thanks, i was expecting to attach the notify url to each individual wallet address like you do with Electrum
21:35:41 <someoneelse49549> Hi everyone, after staying too much in the shadow of Revolt, we've opened a matrix-channel for the Cuprate Project : #cuprate:monero.social. Feel free to join and hang out
21:36:37 <dudeitwasntme2> merope: thanks
21:38:01 <k4r4b3y[m]> great!