00:54:12 "for LibertyX" <- theyre asking for ID now so fuck them 01:15:40 "theyre asking for ID now so fuck..." <- The Man got to them 🕵️ 01:16:32 Yeah I figured 01:17:19 Bisq is the best way to go then 01:19:03 Nah, the need for bitcoin is a showstopper, or did they change that? 01:19:50 Trades happen in Bitcoin, but they have an option to trade BTC to XMR 01:20:14 So, it would only touch your address for 1 transaction. 01:20:49 Although they should create a Bisq for Monero... Misq. That is what they should call it. 01:57:15 Why monero bros promoting DERO 01:57:26 does DERO use Monero 01:57:36 ? 01:58:43 "So, it would only touch your..." <- That's one too much. 01:59:27 I agree. Misq must be made 01:59:39 or they just change the flow 02:00:09 Havano is the Monero version of bitch. 02:00:23 *bisq 02:00:34 Oh, I will look into that 02:02:53 "Why monero bros promoting DERO" <- What is affinity fraud? Fraudsters who carry out affinity scams frequently are (or pretend to be) members of the group they are trying to defraud. 03:31:24 k4r4b3y: So I've made a wallet with Stackwallet and it gave me a _seed phrase_. What's that for? It's like a bunch of random words 03:31:40 s/_seed/*seed/, s/phrase_./phrase*./ 03:32:06 s/_seed/seed/, s/phrase_/phrase/ 03:32:31 * @k4r4b3y: So I've made a wallet with Stackwallet and it gave me a seed phrase. What's that for? It's like a bunch of random words 03:32:47 s/_seed/seed/, s/phrase_/phrase/ 03:34:02 skooner: Before doing anything else, go read about Monero, the concepts and what's what. 03:35:10 TrasherDK[m]: I have read a little but it's all so much 03:35:38 I have made some transactions 03:35:56 But I don't get what the seed phrase thing is for 03:36:06 So, go read some more. Being this clueless is a recipe for disaster. 03:38:21 Work is so hectic I don't really have a lot of time to read 03:38:49 Thought I'd just ask here since you guys have been so helpful 😊 03:39:33 From what I understand the seed phrase is like the password to the wallet 03:42:44 Tldr monero! 03:45:09 "But I don't get what the seed..." <- Write it down. On paper. Keep it in a safe place, like your wallet, or, if you need even more security, a safe or in one of those locked box things they have at the bank (depending on how much you trust your bank to open up boxes and steal crypto) 03:45:15 * bank to not open up 03:45:41 "Work is so hectic I don't really..." <- How much time would it take to google "Monero seed phrase"? 03:46:12 TrasherDK[m]: longer than it would take to look up the same phrase at html.duckduckgo.com 03:48:59 From more experienced users 03:48:59 trasherdk: I get the gist of it, I just wanted to know if there's a better explanation 03:48:59 I already use DDG. Google has really gone down in quality 03:48:59 And now they're using that weird AI thingy 03:49:00 also depends on whether you have uBlock Origin installed 03:49:00 * Origin installed, which would probably speed up your google search a bit 03:49:39 I've got both installed, so I don't get any weird shit. 03:50:45 skooner[m]: What kind of better explanation? 03:52:07 If you were asking how a time machine works, do you want me to say "Here, just set the time and pull this lever" or would you rather I say "It uses a very clever hack of quantum physics, here's the white paper with all the technical details, let's go over it..."? 03:52:55 DukatFollowerand: Like how is it used to create the wallet. Why can other people use it to get access to my wallet without the PIN? 03:56:31 DukatFollowerand: Both? 03:56:37 I think? 04:00:08 > Like how is it used to create the wallet 04:00:08 Pull-the-lever details: That seed *is* your wallet. If you ever lose access to your wallet (forget the pin, app crashes and won't open, etc) the seed is the key to restoring your account, even in another wallet program. I believe the words were picked so that any word in the wordlist could be identified using only 4 letters. Many clients are able to autocomplete words as you're typing them, which helps avoid losing your wallet because of 04:00:08 a spelling mistake. 04:00:08 Don't know the technical details exactly, I think it turns the words into a hash or something and derives a wallet from it? I'll have to look into that 04:02:37 > Why can other people use it to get access to my wallet without the PIN? 04:02:37 Because the PIN only unlocks the application. The recovery seed must be kept secure separately from your device and your application's PIN/biometrics security. 04:02:37 If the seed had a PIN, it could probably be brute forced very easily. However, if I recall correctly, you can make a hidden wallet and add a passphrase to your seed. You can choose to not write this part down, but if you forget, it's lost forever. 04:03:40 It may be tempting to just remove a word from the seed and remember that word. But that would be easy to brute force. 04:04:40 Something about technical details: You used to have to remember/write down the date you created the wallet along with the seed, but I think at some point they integrated the block height into the seed, so that there would be part of the technical details 04:07:10 This might be outdated, but: 04:07:10 > In the official wallet, the mnemonic seed comprises 25 words with the last word being used as a checksum. Those words correspond to a 256-bit integer, which is the account's private spend key. The private view key is derived by hashing the private spend key with Keccak-256, producing a second 256-bit integer. The corresponding public keys are then derived from the private keys. 04:10:24 Yes, that is an interesting thing: one of the words in the seed is a checksum, to make sure there were no errors 04:11:08 skooner I hope I'm being informative 04:14:29 Very informative. Thank you! 04:25:52 Tldr: seed IS wallet. Do not share. Do not lose 04:26:41 Do not import into shady wallets. Do not put on clipboard of infected OS. 04:58:05 Also, do not use a search engine, App/Play store to search for a suitable wallet. You will find, the most scammy ones will appear first in searches 🤣 04:58:50 Monerujo is pretty good, right? Also Feather? 04:59:01 What about Cake Wallet? 05:00:11 I wouldn't know. I'm GUI, CLI and RPC only. I'll probably include LWS soon. 05:00:30 LWS? 05:01:29 monero-lws 05:01:29 https://github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws 08:45:46 Hi, I'm trying to fork the CCS repository at https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals, but it tells me that I have reached my project limit (I have 0 repositories). Is there a fix? 08:49:44 s/a/something/, s/fix/I have to do before forking it/ 09:23:59 recanman: you have to create an account on our instance of gitlab (instead of logging in with a third party site) - should fix it 09:27:09 plowsof11: Oops, thanks 09:31:18 "recanman: you have to create..." <- I tried to recreate my account but it seems that when I deleted my account it scheduled it for deletion. Are you able to delete it for me or change the deleted account's username? 09:31:45 * for deletion and therefore can no longer use my username. Are 09:37:18 (you're talking to someone who has multiple plowsof plowsoffff accounts) but yes i think we could do something for you, whats the username 09:37:27 recanman 09:43:28 Thanks 09:43:53 trying to request but not possible to contact the admin atm, may have to resort to recanmann temporarily 09:46:51 Oh, I was able to register 09:47:06 I guess it deletes it after a couple minutes 10:52:27 "Also, do not use a search engine..." <- Yeah I'm using Stackwallet that k4r4b3y: recommended 10:52:57 * Yeah I'm using Stackwallet that k4r4b3y: recommended 10:53:41 s/:// 12:34:37 Fyi stack wallet is a good wallet to keep around, but for monero its missing features and buggy 12:34:54 (as expected - its alpha software) 12:35:48 Example. stack doesnt support accounts. If you have funds i a separate account, balance recovery is broken 12:36:42 s/i a/in a/ 12:38:18 Also doesnt respect "autosync" setting for native chains like epic, wow or monero. Need to launch into the wallet. 12:38:18 there were some annoying sync issues before, but mostly seem to be fixed now 12:39:50 The issue now if when you change nodes while syncing. 12:40:10 Some other bugs like "autosync over wifi only" seems to break manual syncing 12:40:52 And #1 issue - it doesnt include the black theme by default. You have to enable/download it in the settings 12:42:31 Lots of potential, but a less than ideal level of stable functionality for a new user to rely on 12:48:58 - Account support... (full message at ) 12:50:03 1,2,5 would probably make stack solid enough for typical user 12:50:42 4 (memory optimizations, or "stay alive" hacks) would be great 12:51:18 3 is only a PITA for users who use multiple nodes 12:52:16 shouldn't you ping rehrar or something? 12:53:29 ... 12:53:47 Way ahead of ya 13:00:13 I dont post github issues much these days 13:00:15 https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues/117 13:00:20 Heres a fun one 13:02:27 tldr: i find problems and get em fixed. Reallllly dont need to be told to 13:03:18 Stack wallets first "issue" was 45 seconds after i installed the apk, about 45 seconds after it was announced 13:12:12 "I'm able to bypass the biometric / pin lock by" have you spent all of your critical bug bounty payout yet ofrnxmr 13:13:15 imagine someone running away with your phone while paying for something - they have your entire balance now 13:13:26 im richhhhhhhh (iwish) 13:14:12 Or imagine actually thinking the fingerprint or pin arent just cosmetic. 13:14:47 The opposite problem of stack. Stack closes it self, cake would remain unlocked and just show a fake lockscreen 13:15:41 Like you stsrt pc. Then lock it. To unlock it, you just undo the fullscreen(f11?) for the "lockscreen" 13:18:38 I2p is so broken. Ofrnxmr update: its been disabled on my node until fixed in the code 13:22:28 Totalky breaks relay of tx in some curcumstsnces 13:22:45 ofrnxmr[m]: Sad 13:22:46 Plowsof had issue many times, i reproduced 13:23:22 ive been hosting an on-off malicious node that sometimes doesnt braodcast transactions 13:23:27 Txproxy with onion works fine 13:23:53 i2p disabled, and it 'just works' now 😭 13:24:10 thanks for reproducing ofrnxmr 13:24:35 I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support" 13:24:46 * I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support" 13:24:47 If you want, please look at it. Thanks 13:24:57 * I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support", so I'm posting it here 13:24:57 If you want, please look at it. Thanks 13:24:59 * I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support", so I'm posting it here. 13:24:59 If you want, please look at it. Thanks 13:25:09 thanks recanman we have biweekly meetings in #monero-community:monero.social to discuss the ccs ideas 13:25:18 Oops 13:25:27 I will be there at the next one, thanks for letting me know 13:27:21 ive not read the entire proposal yet but we had a monero jobs website previously with a similar stack from spirobel https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/13z98ke/comment/jmqk0n1/?context=3 13:28:08 It's dead https://successonly.work/ 13:28:22 I also looked at monerojobs.com which was posted on Reddit, that on is dead too. 13:28:25 https://successonly.work/ rip 13:28:36 spirobel is alive 13:29:01 Good precident 13:29:01 plowsof11: That's ok, I just want to get some experience whether the proposal works out or not 13:29:08 plowsof11: He got mad after mordinals were curtailed though 13:29:50 spirobel is reinventing himself - he has found critical bugs in one of our in progress monero payment processors 13:30:31 Trying the same and expecting a different result 13:30:31 Price = 13k 13:30:33 asking the community to create successonly.work again when he's 'right there' i doubt will be popular 13:30:58 louissignet[m]: He also hates gays, black, people with aids, dogs, and combinations of the above 13:31:07 ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Trying the same and expecting a different result 13:31:07 > Price = 13k 13:31:07 I can lower it, I was not sure what price to use 13:31:53 Considering all previous atremptsfellflat / had no audience, id probably ask what you think about the bitejo stuff 13:32:38 Id support decentralizing or helping maintain or improve the bitejo suite 13:33:10 Since anark wont take our money 🤷‍♂️ 13:34:51 ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah why? His job is clearly valued in the community. Why not CCS 13:35:47 dont ask me 13:36:02 He doesnt want money, fine. Im notofrnxmr then 13:37:21 Bitejo's code is low quality and sadly I have recently learned that the majority of web devs despise PHP, and the majority of PHP devs despise pure procedural code without OOP or frameworks... It would be better at this point for someone to either write something from scratch or adapt an existing framework or platform to accept Monero (e.g. find a Fiverr clone script and integrate Monero RPC). Bitejo's failure is mainly due to my lack o 13:37:21 and lack of marketing skills. Someone who is likeable and extroverted (like Doug or DrunkDialMe_ in Twitter) would have better success at finding users (a marketplace is only as good as its user base). 13:37:51 recanman: interested? 13:38:15 One sec, I was away. 13:38:49 No problem. Anarkiocrypto above is the developer of the bitejo suite which im referring to 13:38:59 Spirobel was looking for funding for his Monero projects, has experience in implementing Monero payments and is also a Node.js / JavaScript dev. So if Spirobel and Recanman would like to work together on the CCS, sharing the funds and dev work, it may be helpful. 13:39:26 I see that Bitejo is a marketplace? 13:39:27 anarkiocrypto[m]: spirobel also hates gays, black, people with aids, dogs, and combinations of the above 13:39:34 But if Recanman is more comfortable with solo dev, merge his CCS and let the market show its support. 13:39:36 This one? https://bitejo.com/ 13:39:48 You need an ounce of sanity before im going to fund your bullshit 13:39:50 ofrnxmr[m]: politics doesn't bother me 13:40:02 recanman[m]: Yes, and kuno.bitejo.com and anothrr 13:40:14 recanman[m]: Its not politics 13:40:35 I have personally never seen any racist or homophobic comments from Spirobel. 13:40:39 He left the community because we woukdnt fund a terribke ccs 13:40:47 anarkiocrypto[m]: He made them directly to me 13:40:50 Then blocked me 13:40:57 ofrnxmr[m]: This one is pretty nice. It's written in PHP? 13:41:54 he went through a phase posting around the internet fudding that he coukdnt get funding because people dont like him or centralizati(n or some other ridiculous nonsense 13:42:08 Oh 13:42:11 It is all procedural PHP... https://codeberg.org/anarkio/bitejo https://codeberg.org/anarkio/kuno https://codeberg.org/anarkio/vendo Bitejo has a jobs section since 2021, but no one uses it. 13:42:12 Then he went around taljing about how he doesnt have to come it irc/matrix to join dev conversations 13:42:18 /nicklist 13:42:28 Now he wants to come back 13:42:43 anarkiocrypto[m]: I've had my fair share of PHP 13:42:48 The past is the past. I dont care. But youre not coming back ON THAT SAME BULLSHIT 13:42:59 recanman[m]: I am up to rewriting it 13:43:01 either be professional or fuck off 13:43:02 This looks very hard to manage 13:43:32 plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: meeting is this week right? 13:43:35 I program procedural PHP since 2008... sadly I have not become a professional in that time, still the same amateur skills since 2008... 13:43:41 recanman[m]: Even when you try to make a framework, it ends up disgusting 13:44:02 anarkiocrypto[m]: Oh 13:44:11 Would be great if you can help anark fix up / rewrite bitejo 13:44:30 Kuno needs more love 13:44:34 Well I guess we can see at the Community Workgroup meeting this week to see what will happen 13:44:47 Bitejo is my "hobbyist project". There is no "fixing up" really. 13:44:51 We do informal talk right now and all day 13:45:09 anarkiocrypto[m]: Is it foss enough to be.. taken over? 13:45:17 It would be better to code something from scratch or use an existing framework or Upwork/Fiverr clone. But the problem is not technical. The real difficulty is finding users, which requires social/people skills, marketing skills, advertising budget, customer support, someone who is prepared to mediate escrows or deal with scams, etc. 13:45:40 I'm not good at any at that 13:45:47 I'm only good at programming kek 13:45:57 * I'm only "good, * good" at 13:46:33 If someone wants to fork it to make a "community edition", they can. But I will continue to add things to my "hobbyist" version, although I didn't really add new features since its release in 2021. 13:46:33 Not bitejo problems 13:46:33 those are all "monero"problems 13:47:27 Remind me again okease... (full message at ) 13:47:29 But it feels like there is no use to rewrite a simple CRUD procedural PHP website, if people don't like procedural PHP or any PHP at all. Better to write it in something popular like Node.js. Accounts, job listings, proposals, etc. are all simple CRUD. Monero RPC or Monero Blockchain API is easy to implement. 13:47:49 Its not about the backend, its about the suite 13:48:07 _____ - NSFW picture sets 13:48:07 You think you dont knkw what youre doing, but youre literalkt making software ive been needing for a long time 13:48:13 So.. keep it up pls 13:48:19 moneromarket dot io 13:48:25 plowsof11: Thats moneromarket.io or whatever 13:48:30 yeye^ 13:49:27 It is 100% about the code. The code is the platform and the code is what makes it usable (sure, it is messy procedural PHP, but you can nevertheless make an account, list your product or make an order without issues, it is not nice to look at, but it works). Without the code, it is a vague idea and vaporware. 13:49:43 "does it work?" 13:49:43 anarkiocrypto[m]: Yes, that is in my proposal 13:49:47 Yes? 13:50:03 If that spirobel person and I work together or whatever is planned, I would prefer to do it in Node.js 13:50:36 Again, recan, whos's ccs is it? 13:50:41 but spirobel built the house already 13:50:47 The tech is only 50%. Other 50% is finding users. A platform could be technically perfect, but it can't help people to find jobs, if there are no job listings. This is the difficulty that I faced. 13:50:51 To be honest, I'm completely lost 13:50:56 Ill tel\ you right now, youre not getting oaid is spirobel decides to pull some nonsense 13:51:10 Ok 13:51:15 Youre acting professionally. 13:51:27 Spirobel acts emotionally, always. 13:51:33 I messaged Doug in case he could help (he has the marketing/social/etc. skills). 13:51:58 So I don't work with spirobel? Maybe I should leave this up to discussion by you guys, I am not used to working with others 13:52:00 Im not playing games with you two having a falling out over his duties or yours, or wanting to change milestones etc. 13:52:13 anarkiocrypto[m]: does he? 🫠 13:52:31 The last time we had a situation like this, we oaid the whiny bitch (mj) and left endor holding the bag 13:52:44 I think it would be good to find a marketing/outreach guy, so you could focus solely on the tech if that is what you are more comfortable with, and the marketing guy could focus on finding users, creating hype/interest, building a brand. And both of you could get paid by CCS. 13:53:00 ofrnxmr[m]: Holding which bag? 13:53:08 the rest of the ccs 13:53:13 anarkiocrypto[m]: Sounds good, I'm not sure who makes the decisions 13:53:20 ofrnxmr[m]: Sorry, what? 13:53:21 It ws mjs ccs. Endor was "allowed to work for him" 13:53:28 The payment? 13:53:36 Doug from MoneroTalk is great at onboarding people, educating merchants and customers about Monero, community building, etc. (all the things that I have no idea how to do). 13:53:37 Mj got paid in full after threatening kawsuits and spamming reddit with fud 13:53:45 Endor didnt get paid. 13:53:52 Endor now has to complete the ccs alone. 13:54:35 The soloptxmr ccs 13:55:00 Probably 2 years old now and a hidden 80%dev fee later 13:55:11 Oh, that makes a little more sense. So the point is to not involve people that you have described as emotional? 13:55:33 Proven* as unprofessional* and not apologetic about it 13:55:48 Like, spirobel has a previous ccs attempt. 13:56:01 He ran away, and now just wants to come back withiut any mention of it? 13:56:11 He needs to recognize that we DID NOT screw him 13:56:13 Oh, now I understand what you are saying. 13:56:44 I am not the one who makes decisions, I am just giving some ideas, as someone who was also working on a Monero marketplace (and was mentioned in the conversation before I arrived)... I'm not involved in the CCS process. I think people comment on it, then there is a Monero meeting every 2nd Saturday, then the people in the meeting decide to merge the CCS. After that, it seems like CCS are funded within days, then you can start working on 13:56:44 the CCS was bad. And we are happy to fund his viable ideas, his dev work 13:56:59 Not sending 2000 to some chick in afganistan and hoping for the best 13:57:32 Then when we refuse, he claims were racists and hate women in afganistan, bunch of westerners blah fkn blah 13:57:43 Gays, aids, black, i eat dogs bcuz a dog bit me muahhaa 13:57:46 Spirobel is the "chick" in Afghanistan? 13:57:52 Like bro. Chill. 2000 isnt saving anybidy 13:58:04 recanman[m]: No, he wanted to send money to a chick names "meena" 13:58:07 I am confused again, what are you saying?? 13:58:10 ofrnxmr[m]: Oh ok 13:58:15 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> No, he wanted to send money to a chick names "meena" 13:58:15 * Oh, ok 13:58:17 Who nobody had ever spoken to and would not join the convo 13:58:42 ccs to save the women of afganistan using $2000 usd. Lol? 13:58:55 You cant save a single mother for that much 13:59:02 ofrnxmr[m]: lamest ccs ever 13:59:03 Saving women? Are you using slang? 13:59:15 No, im seriousc. 13:59:41 Meanwhile hes developing a webwallet and wont ccs for it, because were racists or something 14:00:05 Emotional manipulative nonsense. Ive got no time for it 14:00:29 Oh, so he is trying to blame the result of the women CCS on you? 14:00:38 * on you, or the "we" that you describe? 14:00:55 No, not on me 14:01:08 On.. everyone 14:01:22 Dm'd monerobull to complain about thr downvote 14:01:33 Accused rottenwheel of abczmxyz 14:01:33 > 2000 isnt saving anybidy 14:01:33 $2000 is one year living costs for me (in EU)... And living costs are probably lower in Afghanistan. From what I have heard (may be ignorant), many women are forbidden from working, so any amount could genuinely help them. 14:01:39 Then said luigi blahblah 14:01:47 anarkiocrypto[m]: > <@anarkiocrypto:matrix.org> > 2000 isnt saving anybidy 14:01:47 > 14:01:47 > $2000 is one year living costs for me (in EU)... And living costs are probably lower in Afghanistan. From what I have heard (may be ignorant), many women are forbidden from working, so any amount could genuinely help them. 14:01:47 Lmao 14:01:56 In a cointry where the internet is controlled by taliban 14:02:01 And we dont have encrypted p2p 14:02:06 Okkkieeee 14:02:09 Lets rip the women 14:02:15 Brilliant 14:02:33 Ripping women? What?? 14:02:41 ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> And we dont have encrypted p2p 14:02:41 we got the Tor proxy tho 14:02:43 RIP* 14:02:59 k4r4b3y[m]: I assumed that tor at the minimum would help with a bridge 14:03:07 k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> And we dont have encrypted p2p 14:03:07 > we got the Tor proxy tho 14:03:07 > 14:03:07 Works great when taliban turns off thr internet 14:03:09 It's really hard to censor the internet 14:03:19 Its really not 14:03:34 Guess I'm wrong, I don't knopw 14:03:35 Its hard to censor the internet in a "free cointry" 14:03:36 s/knopw/know/ 14:03:41 There are people using Bitcoin in Cuba. I don't know about the exact situation in Afghanistan, but there are Afghan women who are using Twitter. 14:03:44 here is spirobels old proposal for those interested https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/282 14:03:48 Iran literally blocks all incoming por%s 14:03:55 ofrnxmr[m]: Oh 14:04:07 I don't know what can be done at that point 14:04:21 You can do direct download with a seedbox 14:04:22 recanman[m]: > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I don't know what can be done at that point 14:04:22 I2p maybe 14:04:47 Other than abstracting from IP and not using tcp/udp, I don't think that anything is possible 14:04:47 The internet itself is centralized. And its not possible to run a secret net without someone knowing your running a secret net 14:05:05 You want afganistan with 2000? You need to improvr monero first 14:05:12 k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I don't know what can be done at that point 14:05:12 > I2p maybe 14:05:12 > 14:05:12 I2p is fackin broken 14:05:21 Monero impl* 14:05:27 ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> 14:05:27 > I2p is fackin broken 14:05:27 broken in monero (for now). 14:05:37 And at the time tm 14:05:40 ofrnxmr[m]: In which sense is it centralized? Cloudflare controls 70%+, root-zone dns is ran by the root servers, what else? 14:05:48 Ie, dont get ahead of yourself 14:06:01 recanman[m]: Service providers? 14:06:06 CIA directly wiretaps most services 14:06:15 ofrnxmr[m]: Right, didn't think of that 14:06:32 The companies that run the riber optic cables across the ocean 14:06:33 I don't have enough money to run long fiber optics across oceans 14:06:37 Starlink 14:07:05 At&t does/did though 14:07:25 Citation needed 14:07:51 Maybe if all of "us" team up, we can do it ignoring international jurisdiction (if that exists) 14:07:57 I am joking, I don't think it is realistic 14:08:02 Damn near all of canada went down for days due to a "bug" 14:08:16 Taliban just flips the "bug" switch whenever they want 14:08:31 recanman[m]: Ccs? Lmao 14:08:34 Hah 14:08:50 If you can't get a local job, remote work can help a lot. And if there is someone who runs a Hawala network who also accepts crypto, maybe there is a way to cash out. Sure there may still be suspicion, and even with money, a landlord may refuse to rent to a single woman, but there may be people who can make it work. Instead of blanket saying "this isn't a perfect solution, so there is no point", at least make the solution known for peop 14:08:50 to use it in their situation. 14:08:51 It would be quite expensive considering fiber optics are $6+ per meter 14:08:54 s/6/4/ 14:09:24 ofrnxmr[m]: explain. my wallet syncs and spends 14:09:57 Txproxy nodes when setup with tor and i2p will eventually stop broadcasting transactions 14:10:03 Is i2p udp? 14:10:18 plosof node has been one of feathers most problematic 14:10:22 Why? Because of i2p 14:10:24 I tried to get i2p working on my thinkpad t60 but I block all udp traffic and route all tcp over tor, maybe that is why it does not work 14:10:33 ofrnxmr[m]: "eventually"? 14:10:39 Yeah 14:10:43 meaning? 14:10:47 eventually 14:10:52 I want to run a public node but my isp only provides me 10mbps up 14:11:03 ive been using tor exclusively for over a year and its been fine 14:11:15 ofrnxmr[m]: so you have no answer 14:11:38 Meaning if you run a node with both, it will stop broadcasting transactions eventually. Could be hours, could be weeks 14:11:50 network rates can be limited uhm.. limit_up limit_down 14:11:59 Monero is a tool of the informal economy and its strength is that it makes global informal economies possible (which isn't possible with banking, credit cards or Paypal, unless you have good fake IDs). Provide the information, host the platforms, and people will use it if they want to. Don't gatekeep it or say "if you are in an authoritarian environment, you have already lost and Monero can't help you". 14:12:06 plowsof11: I wasn't sure how much would be enough 14:12:26 I was initially capped at 5mbps up when I considered running a node, maybe I should revisit it 14:12:27 if/when there are no i2p peers - tor/clearnet gets borked 14:12:28 The bug is that, even without outgoing i2p connections, you still have onions. It should usebthose, it doesnt. It thinks there are no connections when it loses i2p 14:12:42 And i2p doesnt go down, restarting monerod fixes it 14:12:45 even clearnet iirc >_< 14:13:09 because of the tx-proxy 14:13:13 * loses i2p's txproxy 14:13:56 aslong as you have out/in i2p peers in print_cn - my node in canada - fine.. the one in france for some reason barely gets any peers 14:14:21 Just ignores the fact that there is an onion txproxy. Sees that i2p is unreachable (false) and will error out 14:14:57 Bug 1. I2p is fine. 14:14:57 bug 2. There ARE connections to broadcast to, please use them 14:15:07 If you are excluded from 90% of solutions, you are thankful for the 10% that may possibly work. "Perfect is the enemy of good" and most people don't have the luxury to look for a "perfect" solution, but need to find something that works today, even if it may not work forever, even if there are roadblocks, even if they need to find "someone who knows someone" in order to cash out, it is better than nothing, which is often the alternative 14:23:08 Ok well, I will be at the next meeting so I can understand who I will work with if anyone if it ends up being approved, goodbye. 14:27:28 It's your choice, if you want to develop it solo or if you want to find a team (e.g. a marketer, another dev). It was simply a suggestion, in case it helps, but you can ignore it if solo dev is easier for you (I understand, it's easier for me too). 14:27:59 Its definitely your choice, your responsibility, your risk, your reward 14:29:11 For what it's worth, I support your CCS 100%, but can't personally afford to donate, and I'm not involved in the CCS process so I have no influence if it is merged or not. 14:30:05 we're all involved in the process 😄 14:43:50 "Meaning if you run a node with..." <- so just run them separately? 14:45:01 "we're all involved in the..." <- we are all luigi 14:47:14 "It's your choice, if you want to..." <- Oh, I did not understand that. I guess we will discuss it at the next meeting 15:35:22 Anarkio, procedural php is perfectly fine. 15:35:41 LevelsIO makes 100k mrr just creating single page php projects 15:36:32 The only important question is: doest it work or does it not? 15:36:48 It clearly works, so creating a CCS is a no-brainer. 15:37:46 Would you be able to tell me what is specifically bad about my code, e.g. https://codeberg.org/anarkio/vendo (the federation doesn't work, but that's because I didn't test or debug it yet)? People say it is bad or disgusting but no details why. Sadly I can't afford a code review. But is there something obviously bad that stands out? 15:38:05 I'll commit 1 XMR to it. Create a CSS about refactoring bitejo, kuno into production ready with a one-click docker instance. 15:38:54 That's a clearly defined goal oriented outcome. I'll support any effort to refactor your code into a easily installable deployment. 15:39:24 I don't have the skills to write professional/production/enterprise code. I am just a hobbyist who is trying to survive via informal freelance gigs because I can't get a regular job due to no ID. 15:39:33 I don't even know why my code is bad, just that it is bad. 15:42:08 Okey, then don't do it about 'refactoring' just do it about making a easy to install docker deployment. 15:42:43 But the code is objectively bad. 15:42:52