00:05:07 <spackle_xmr[m]> Here are a couple of excellent resources for any Monero hobbyists who want to start learning about Bulletproofs:
00:05:07 <spackle_xmr[m]> https://github.com/AdamISZ/from0k2bp/blob/master/from0k2bp.pdf
00:05:07 <spackle_xmr[m]> https://doc-internal.dalek.rs/bulletproofs/index.html
00:05:22 <spackle_xmr[m]> I was thinking it would be great to have a Zero-to-Monero extension that included Bulletproofs, which is pretty much what from0k2bp is. ZtM includes these resources as citations, but they are easy to miss if you aren't looking for them. Seemed worth sharing.
01:03:22 <Nacho[m]> Thanks I am dumb I needed this
04:35:50 <LOVEphone> hi
04:36:08 <LOVEphone> does the mymonero wallet work already again?
04:42:13 <Nigel> 'ello! How is everyone today?
04:46:17 <naphtha[m]> good good
04:46:46 <naphtha[m]> we up ☝️☝️☝️☝️⬆️🆙🆙🆙🔼⤴️⏫
04:47:18 <Nigel> I am definately missing some fonts stuff because that doesn't show right for me.
04:47:43 <Nigel> Still, that's good! Not so much for me since I don't have any yet. Just made the wallet last night.
04:48:14 <Nigel> Was tempted to mine but I forgot my fan curve is fucked, so my glowey pc box became my blowey pc box.
04:50:14 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> My monero down?
04:50:20 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Not sure what you mean
04:51:32 <Nigel> SSpeaking of buying monero, where do you buy yours? Right now I'm thinking I'll use Kraken.
04:52:33 <naphtha[m]> Nigel: i dont buy but i sell
04:52:36 <naphtha[m]> on localmonero only
04:53:19 <Nigel> Mine a lot of it then?
04:58:17 <naphtha[m]> nope
04:58:18 <naphtha[m]> i run kyun.host
04:58:21 <naphtha[m]> and i need to pay server fees with fiat
05:00:34 <Nigel> Oh, so you get paid for hosting in monero, and cash that out to pay hosting fees?
05:01:14 <naphtha[m]> exactly
05:02:58 <Nigel> Aaaah, that's cool. How well's that working for you?
05:05:39 <naphtha[m]> pretty well
05:05:44 <naphtha[m]> a lot better than i was expecting
05:06:38 <naphtha[m]> im just working to fix any bugs and implement features so that everything is smooooth
05:06:52 <naphtha[m]> my goal is to be the reason people get into xmr
05:07:07 <Nigel> That's good!
05:07:16 <naphtha[m]> currently (with some exceptions) most clients are people that were already into xmr
05:07:44 <Nigel> I followed Mental Outlaw's guide. It's good for getting started but I know there's more beyond that I'll have to at some point figure out.
05:08:13 <Nigel> And of course making my PC not a turbine. Open back headphones are not a good pairing for that.
05:09:11 <naphtha[m]> couldnt imagine ever using open back headphones
05:09:27 <naphtha[m]> i produce music & mix songs on cheap noise cancelling headphones xd
05:10:21 <Nigel> Something clicked with me that I can get an open back for main listening, then a nice but cheap pair of buds for on the go/when I need to noise isolate, and suddenly I have the best of both worlds for not much more cost.
05:10:37 <Nigel> Chifi has gone nuts with IEMs. Good ones are CHEAP
05:11:47 <naphtha[m]> i dont like iems
05:11:50 <naphtha[m]> my ears are greasy as hell
05:12:01 <naphtha[m]> and i wear my headphones aaaalll day
05:12:12 <naphtha[m]> except when im taking showers
05:12:22 <Nigel> Fair. I didn't used to like them but I found a pair that works well for a good chunk of the day before I get anoyed at them.
05:14:05 <Nigel> How is localmonero, by the way? I've not looked into p2p exchanges. I assume they're cheaper?
05:15:37 <naphtha[m]> im not sure how buying is but when selling i usually sell for ~1-2 eur under market price
05:15:52 <naphtha[m]> rarely i find offers buying for way more
05:20:13 <Nigel> Well that's good. Feels more in the spirit of a privacy coin to do p2p rather than a centralised exchange.
07:56:26 <droid192> please build a lending market or bridge to use xmr as collateral
13:03:57 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> So I'm moving to a place with free utilities and wanted to set up something to mine monero. I've been experimenting with old laptops to see if the "mining calculators" were accurate before getting the hardware, and...... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/8cdfd05db159946f1ae67641b564df173575cf1a>)
13:08:15 <sech1> Calculators were correct for this hashrate, so you did something wrong.
13:08:32 <sech1> P2Pool itself worked fine and paid out correctly to other miners https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/14oh5g3/p2pool_main_vs_mini_40khs_x_30_days_on_gupax/
13:08:48 <sech1> so maybe your p2pool node was unstable, or you didn't get 500 h/s all the time
13:22:30 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Even at a constant 400H/s it's a 0.4/mo estimate, to get this low they would've needed to stay at ~150H/s, which I know they haven't. So fairly sure that's not it.
13:22:30 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Not sure about the node either. I had to restart one of the laptops halfway through the month, if it picked a new node then one of the laptops would've mined significantly more than the other, right?
13:22:30 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Can I force a node change and leave them another 2 weeks to see what happens? 
13:25:11 <merope> Keep in mind that with such a low hashrate, you're very subject to variance
13:26:28 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> I'm aware, that's why I left them a month. Payouts were fairly regular at ~6 day intervals 
13:27:14 <merope> That gets compounded with pool luck as well
13:27:53 <merope> So if you find shares at the "wrong" time, you'll end up seeing large swings in the payout
13:28:11 <sech1> 6 day intervals, so you only got 5 payouts? At this scale it's still very luck dependent
13:28:37 <sech1> the link I posted (40 kh/s) got more than 100 payouts in a month
13:31:53 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Ok, I'll accept "luck" as a possible explanation. I'll leave them another month and see if there are any changes. 
13:32:12 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Thanks everyone :) 
13:32:56 <Rucknium[m]> Mrrowmeowmeow: Did you say you are using a remote node? That would reduce your effective hashrate on P2Pool
13:33:38 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Nope, all of them have a local node. 
13:37:14 <recanman[m]> > Nope, all of them have a local node. 
13:37:14 <recanman[m]> This intrigued a question: If I wanted to have multiple different computers mining, would each need to download the blockchain individually, or can I share?
13:37:33 <sech1> only one computer needs to run a node
13:37:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
13:37:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can use 1 node
13:38:07 <recanman[m]> Oh, ok, because that wording confused me.
13:38:21 <recanman[m]> * confused me. Thank you.
13:38:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are running multiple, it seems.
13:39:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> sounds backwards 
13:39:39 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Yeah I just didn't want to bother with one node for all my stuff on my home network so I have a local node on each computer 
13:39:56 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> It probably is 🤷‍♀️
13:39:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Isnt it more of a bother to store multiple blockchains and to split your hashrate
13:40:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> than to pool your hashrate and save resources?
13:40:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I didnt read the backlog - i assume youre using p2pool? You also only need 1 of those
13:41:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> If youre not using p2pool, you can use xmrig-proxy in its place , then connrct xmrig miners to xmrig-proxy (to pool your hashrates).
13:41:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmrig-proxy connects to the node
13:42:28 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Storage is not an issue tbh. I'm just learning and wanted to compare actual results to calculator estimates. Wanted to test in two separate computers for consistency. 
13:42:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Consistenly would be using the same node, same storage, 
13:43:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same conditions
13:43:33 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> Well they are identical laptops? Not sure what you mean 
13:43:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> If one node goes offline,or has a firewall Setup different, different connections, or stealing connections from your other node 
13:44:26 <Rucknium[m]> Taking time to set up connections within your home network for P2Pool isn't worth the daily P2Pool wage :P
13:44:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> its easier than syncing nodes..
13:45:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Literally change a startup flag, then instead of spinning up nodes you just run xmrig and point it at xmrig-proxy.IP:3333  or p2pool.IP:3333
13:49:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> If node is on 127001... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/efaf3e99be42e25a7b95212b26bbd879c4a4503d>)
13:49:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> * start xmrig-proxy** with
13:50:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> "change a startup flag" for p2pool is `--stratum=0.0.0.0:3333` 
13:51:42 <plowsof11> does p2pools new update of having backup remote zmq nodes if your local one is stuck help here 
13:52:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sech1?
13:54:06 <plowsof11> https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/v3.5/docs/COMMAND_LINE.MD#multiple-backup-hosts 
13:54:25 <plowsof11> first host provided being localhost 👀
13:58:17 <sech1> it only helps if the one node is unstable
13:58:30 <sech1> *the one node you use
13:59:45 <plowsof11> great feature, nice work!
14:10:47 <sech1> "first host provided being localhost" it's because if you use "--host" in command line, it will not use 127.0.0.1 by default - you have to provide it explicitly
14:13:14 <plowsof11> ah thanks for clarifying - have to specify it, gotya
16:29:14 <chesterfield[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "Mrrowmeowmeow: Did you say you..." <- Really? 
19:38:38 <scragglez[m]> I didn't realize that the SEC is about to doxx all kraken users
19:38:40 <scragglez[m]> That's wild
19:38:51 <recanman[m]> Where does it say that?!
19:39:02 <scragglez[m]> https://monero.town/post/84304
19:43:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> scragglez[m]: Didnt kraken users dox themselves 
19:44:10 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Kyc
19:44:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> And didnt they go after binance or coinbase customers similarily a couple years ago
19:44:15 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Ftw
19:44:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> for unpaid taxes etc 
19:44:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Inremember something like less than 6% of crypto holders claimed crypto on their taxes 
19:44:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bahahahahah
19:55:46 <rbrunner> (Laughs in Monero)
19:56:59 <scragglez[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Inremember something like less..." <- crypto? never heard of her
20:27:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Chainanalysis indicates that is a lie
20:27:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/Chainanalysis/Chainalysis/
20:29:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> <scragglez[m]> "crypto? never heard of her" <- Those users need to do the satoshi dance and never touch their crypto, or be found to be liars 
22:08:23 <Rucknium[m]> chesterfield: Due to latency. You don't want to be working on a stale block
23:01:40 <powerhouse555[m]> after running monero-blockchain-prune is the flag --prune-blockchain needed to continue pruning the blockchain? I have read conflicting things. 
23:02:23 <powerhouse555[m]> and is --sync-pruned-blocks useful if you only want to download a pruned blockchain? 
23:02:44 <powerhouse555[m]> for syncing?
23:31:16 <TrasherDK[m]> How about users, not under US jurisdiction?
23:34:22 <TrasherDK[m]> 👆️ about the SEC/Kraken shitshow.
23:37:27 <TrasherDK[m]> monerobull: https://monero.town/ signup/login ? trasherdk seems to be unknown.
23:39:06 <plowsof11> may require manual verification after the restart 
23:39:06 * DanrdarkIsnotthe uploaded an image: (37KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/RjtWGrgtebScmjGrIfuUoblD/ima_c055447.jpeg >
23:39:12 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Lol
23:50:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> <powerhouse555[m]> "after running monero-blockchain..." <- no
23:50:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> <powerhouse555[m]> "and is --sync-pruned-blocks..." <- Sortof. Lets just say yes
23:58:49 <powerhouse555[m]> that clears things up. 😆