00:07:13 <hv-bridge> <mtchannel> hi. completely pruned from scratch is around 63gb. it took 5 days with harddisk.
03:08:57 <xmrfn[m]> Is v0.18.2.3 expected soon? I saw a bunch of PRs go in
04:36:10 <ShaneonConduitrs> <ShaneonConduitrs> "Is there any more appealing..." <- bump
04:37:37 <Zero[m]> Hi I was wondering
04:38:07 <Zero[m]> in general if you buy things using crypto (whether directly or otherwise) how do you do it?
04:40:40 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: if the merchant supports monero then you just scan the code... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/8d5af970ca7e217e9fefeef884b1d5efe866b709>)
04:41:10 <Zero[m]> hmm
04:41:46 <Zero[m]> So escrow?   What do you mean?   
04:41:47 <ShaneonConduitrs> or like you can escrow irl too
04:42:11 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: service that supervises/performs the exchange for you
04:42:20 <Zero[m]> ok
04:42:24 <Zero[m]> Like what?
04:42:32 <ShaneonConduitrs> e.g. irl i often just tell people to pay in paper for me and then i send them XMR
04:42:38 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: localmonero.co 
04:42:47 <Zero[m]> Oh yeah I know that
04:43:01 <Zero[m]> ShaneonConduitrs: been there
04:43:35 <ShaneonConduitrs> beyond that dunno afaik there is a lot of escrow services all over, but i never had the need to use them
04:43:45 <ShaneonConduitrs> they also often put an escrow fee on stuff
04:44:10 <Zero[m]> http://fixedfloat.com/    Lets you pay with monero even if they are accepting a different cryptocurrency?   Is that right?
04:44:13 <Zero[m]> is that the idea?
04:44:43 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: it's crypto exchange so you can exchange any supported crypto 
04:44:49 <ShaneonConduitrs> monero is one of the supported one
04:44:59 <Zero[m]> So yes
04:45:05 <ShaneonConduitrs> also great and cheap BTC tumbler
04:45:05 <Zero[m]> or are you saying
04:46:01 <ShaneonConduitrs> also you can do trades with stable coins
04:46:04 <ShaneonConduitrs> e.g. USDT
04:46:22 <Zero[m]> right
04:48:56 <Zero[m]> so if you want to buy something online do you have a way to buy say from amazon have it not be traceable.   At least less traceable than just having a bank account and buying normally where the bank knows.   Its just a thought since.   Crypto in theory would let you buy things and not have a third party or have one third party (the person/company you are buying from and not also your bank).    
04:48:58 <Zero[m]> -----------
04:49:05 <Zero[m]> So I was wondering if you had a way to do that.
04:50:18 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: hmm in czechia we told amazon to go fuck itself and have local Alza.cz and CZC.cz and alike that support crypto 
04:50:30 <Zero[m]> hmmm
04:50:35 <ShaneonConduitrs> otherwise amazon gift cards
04:50:44 <Zero[m]> the cards right
04:50:45 <Zero[m]> so
04:50:46 <ShaneonConduitrs> usually can be bough easily with crypto
04:50:52 <Zero[m]> you could get those with crypto
04:50:56 <Zero[m]> right I see
04:52:16 <Zero[m]> So if you buy with the card.   Like from a security point of view its like being unbanked?    Like since there is no bank your working with while making that transaction particularly if you started with crypto.    
04:52:32 <ShaneonConduitrs> actually czc.cz doesn't support crypto weird
04:53:47 <Zero[m]> so
04:53:54 <Zero[m]> you get gift cards like this?  https://purse.io
04:53:58 <Zero[m]> using that?
04:54:12 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: dunno what you mean
04:54:25 <Zero[m]> that's fine
04:54:29 <ShaneonConduitrs> optionally you can get a pre-paid credit card 
04:54:46 <Zero[m]> well yeah I know about with cake pay you can get a card
04:54:51 <Zero[m]> its pretty cool it seems
04:54:52 <ShaneonConduitrs> or some credit card providers allow you to use crypto
04:55:12 <Zero[m]> something about that gives off red flags
04:55:17 <Zero[m]> ShaneonConduitrs: that
04:56:16 <ShaneonConduitrs> https://www.gemini.com/credit-card
04:56:21 <ShaneonConduitrs> dunno about them though
04:57:49 <ShaneonConduitrs> would try them with putting a small amount of crypto and see how it works
04:57:57 <ShaneonConduitrs> but like it ain't open source so not an option for me 🤔
04:57:59 <Zero[m]> hmm
04:58:23 <Zero[m]> KYC is AWFUL.    and a lot of you can use crypto with this card or something
04:58:24 <ShaneonConduitrs> https://www.coinbase.com/card
04:58:26 <ShaneonConduitrs> i guess
04:58:26 <Zero[m]> is KYC
04:58:33 <Zero[m]> yeah
04:58:36 <Zero[m]> great example
04:58:38 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: ye
04:59:10 <ShaneonConduitrs> like with KYC if the gov knows that you use crypto then it might be a good option for data poisoning
04:59:19 <Zero[m]> I'm an anarchist personally.    So the push for digital ID and more government involvement in your life and money is evil and wrong tbh.
04:59:54 <ShaneonConduitrs> i am anarchist and i welcome these things tbh
05:00:01 <Zero[m]> Also speaking of credit card companies.    I hate mastercard at this point.
05:00:03 <Zero[m]> https://reclaimthenet.org/mastercard-just-outlined-its-digital-id-push
05:00:24 <Zero[m]> also this
05:00:25 <Zero[m]> https://www.mastercard.com/news/press/2020/september/mastercard-launches-central-bank-digital-currencies-cbdcs-testing-platform/
05:00:55 <ShaneonConduitrs> ain't that affiliated with the digital euro project?
05:01:01 <ShaneonConduitrs> bcs that looked like a good stable coin
05:02:13 <Zero[m]> If you know anything about the state and money.   They always make it worse.   like... the roman empire.    Or the federal reserve.     
05:02:25 <Zero[m]> or the soviet union burning the economy to ashes
05:02:33 <ShaneonConduitrs> i don't mind the EU atm
05:02:48 <Zero[m]> I don't know much about it.
05:02:53 <Zero[m]> but the state always lies
05:03:09 <ShaneonConduitrs> i don't have the feeling that the state lies in the EU
05:03:44 <Zero[m]> ???
05:04:26 <Zero[m]> If they tell you that a program is good for you.   Or release info saying how something is good for the economy how can you take them seriously?
05:04:43 <Zero[m]> Even if they give details they could just make it up.    
05:04:59 <ShaneonConduitrs> like i am in the czech republic.. our president is the former NATO supreme general and ran on honesty  and truth and so far i didn't see him lie.. our PM is professor of politics and same for him
05:06:35 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: bcs i can be part of the political decision making and make sure it does what it says?
05:07:03 <ShaneonConduitrs> i know that the state in the US is hot garbage but it's not that way everywhere
05:07:52 <Zero[m]> The US is one of the most effective and evil empires to ever exist (top 5 probably).     So sure.   But democracy is BS to begin with
05:08:08 <ShaneonConduitrs> agree that democracy is bs
05:08:44 <ShaneonConduitrs> though i have supreme general of NATO at a head of state and PM professor of political science so demogogary ain't an issue there
05:09:21 <ShaneonConduitrs> germany would be prime example of why demogracy is bs though with them electing the alternatives (nazis and nationalist) 
05:10:10 <Mrrowmeowmeow[m]> <ShaneonConduitrs> "i don't have the feeling that..." <- LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
05:10:12 <Zero[m]> Why do you think the EU is good in some way?    Do you not thing we will see heads of state from many of these places at the WEF?    Or maybe other such meetings of the those who push for global government? 
05:10:24 <Zero[m]> s/thing/think/
05:13:01 <ShaneonConduitrs> Zero[m]: why is WEF relevant
05:13:01 <ShaneonConduitrs> and why global government? afaik that was supposed to be UN and it ended up like shit
05:13:32 <Zero[m]> afaik ?
05:13:39 <ShaneonConduitrs> as far as i know
05:13:45 <ShaneonConduitrs> * afaik = as far
05:14:14 <Zero[m]> ok
05:14:38 <Zero[m]> well anyway
05:14:45 <Zero[m]> I wouldn't trust the EU.   
05:16:40 <ShaneonConduitrs> i don't trust anyone personally 
11:51:34 <medicineseller[m> Representative democracy is bs at least
11:51:44 <medicineseller[m> Democracy should only exist under free association
12:20:04 <apotheon> medicineseller[m: seems legit
13:26:15 <eudaimon36[m]> ofrnxmr: hey, what's with our chat private? 
13:26:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im asssuming you changed devices
13:26:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ):  
13:27:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think had to login on app or web, then send me a verification request
13:27:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> but its borked. Not sure why it happens. But i haven't changrd devices
13:37:18 <eudaimon36[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Im asssuming you changed devices" <- NO, but I did get a message to verify the chat. 
13:37:36 <eudaimon36[m]> I'll send a verification now?
13:39:16 <eudaimon36[m]> sent
13:39:46 <eudaimon36[m]> (I'd hate to lose all our convos & lessons!)
13:40:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> are you using element web?
13:40:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its showing the same encryption error here 
13:41:14 <eudaimon36[m]> no, the element server, save as always
18:24:47 * ceetee[m] uploaded an image: (192KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/dwdPBPUtRxddqqhrbcHLkhYE/7d0d8441-ff9e-4dcd-999b-ddd6b25dce43.png >
18:25:11 <ceetee[m]> if you are on monero.town you should know this
18:25:54 <ceetee[m]> any admin from any federated server can see this info
19:48:02 <stsh[m]> Why choose monerotown over other instances for sign-up? Wouldn't lemmy.world have a wider federation of communities to access? 
20:11:12 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> <eudaimon36[m]> "no, the element server, save..." <- I had to go on element web to send verification. The app world have a hissy fit.
20:12:25 <eudaimon36[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: Yea, that's what ofrn said. We ended up getting it working that way--though I have no idea why that fixed it, or even why it was broken...lol
20:12:37 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> And also do you have “never send messages to unverified sessions” 
20:13:57 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Have to fix plowsof now, was verified and now not. This is what happens when you using lightening network!!
20:23:13 <ceetee[m]> <stsh[m]> "Why choose monerotown over other..." <- no, monero.town is federated with all other instances right now, so the reach is the same. However defederalization is possible, and some instances have done so for mundane reasons. I'm pretty confident the monero.town admin won't do that unless he has to do so by law
20:23:13 <ceetee[m]> Also a nice bonus is that whenever you post on other instances, your username reads stsh⊙mt, which is a nice ad :)
20:24:54 <eudaimon36[m]> <DanrdarkIsnotthe> "And also do you have “never send..." <- Yep, got that too.
20:25:54 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> I think its that
20:26:28 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Monerobull is admin
20:43:02 <monerobull[m]> <stsh[m]> "Why choose monerotown over other..." <- the massive lemmy instances have mostly dogshit performance 
20:43:20 <monerobull[m]> like, subbing to a community wont register for days level of performance
20:44:40 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Did you watch monerotalk for moneronodo? Still rug pull?????
20:44:49 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: they also don't focus on removing as little content as possible 
20:45:45 <monerobull[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: haven't seen it yet. i don't think its a rug pull and that it is in fact at a understandable pricepoint
20:46:01 <monerobull[m]> s/a/an/
20:48:24 <Siren[m]> <stsh[m]> "Why choose monerotown over other..." <- You don't even have to be on Lemmy. I follow some people on monero.town from my Mastodon work account :D
20:49:11 <monerobull[m]> but should you post to it, it looks really ugly 😆
20:49:34 <Siren[m]> Seems like you don't see the pictures in my Mastodon replies
20:50:42 <monerobull[m]> reply
20:51:06 <monerobull[m]> could try embedding the images via markdown?
20:51:39 <Siren[m]> I have stupid client (fedilab)
20:51:44 <Siren[m]> * I have a stupid client
20:55:48 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> I just use rss 
20:55:52 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> To follow
20:58:54 <nums[m]> does anyone know what the status of atomic swap is? I am struggling to find a stable implementation and it makes me wonder if I am chasing ghosts.
20:59:30 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Which coin
20:59:42 <nums[m]> XMR from and to BTC
21:00:35 <stsh[m]> <Siren[m]> "You don't even have to be on..." <- Mastodon need email tho and my tuta can't receive the confirmation email. Seems sus
21:00:39 <plowsof11> #unstoppableswap:matrix.org has a GUI and tech support from the developer right there ... there is also https://basicswapdex.com/ ... farcaster working but soon(tm)
21:01:07 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Particle?
21:01:22 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> I think monerobull used it?
21:05:07 <nums[m]> plowsof11: Thanks I will check them out
21:07:10 <monerobull[m]> they gave a talk at monerokon
21:08:19 <monerobull[m]> whats this video kek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rJ6C8Q85_M
21:08:53 <plowsof11> all 27 seconds of it?
21:09:46 <hv-bridge> <zooomah> is hashvault.pro dead?
21:09:55 <plowsof11> what does IoC mean 😳
21:35:44 <hbs[m]> <plowsof11> "what does IoC mean 😳" <- Institute of Cryptoanarchy - https://www.paralelnipolis.cz/en/koncepty/cryptoanarchy-institute/