08:56:28 <woollyrhino> what's the best privacy smart contract blockchain? l2 eth zk? 
09:10:30 <apotheon> woollyrhino: In theory, it should be DarkFi, once it's out of testing.
09:15:38 <apotheon> woollyrhino: It seems like the Nym mixnet can be used to anonymize smart contract transactions on smartchains to improve privacy, though.  I'm not entirely clear on how it works for that particular purpose, but it might be worth investigating if you want to improve privacy for smartchain activity.
09:16:44 <woollyrhino> darkfi eh? i guess i'll have to wait for layer 2 eth zk to mature 
09:16:48 <apotheon> I've heard of a couple other smartchain projects that claim to be The Most Private™, but they look very scammy to me, so . . . I'm not going to recommend them.
09:17:28 <apotheon> If you're waiting anyway, you may want to wait for DarkFi instead of a promised upgrade to Ethereum.
09:18:05 <apotheon> Ethereum's founder and main user base have shown distinctly surveillance-friendly sides of their respective personalities.
09:18:42 <woollyrhino> why would you go with some random ass layer 1 over eth? there's zero reason
09:19:34 <apotheon> If you want something Ethereum-compatible for smart contracts, you might consider checking out the Aurora project, which runs an Ethereum-compatible VM running on the NEAR Protocol, and I think there's a bit of privacy-oriented charitable funding of projects on Aurora.
09:19:50 <apotheon> woollyrhino: because you asked about privacy
09:20:14 <apotheon> that's why I'd choose something that, in fact, isn't just "random ass"
09:21:07 <apotheon> If you're looking for the most expensive smartchain, though, have fun with Ethereum, I guess.
09:21:12 <woollyrhino> so the devs are doxxed?
09:21:36 <apotheon> I don't even know what game you're playing, and I'm not interestd in playing games right now.
09:21:39 <apotheon> g'night
09:21:49 <woollyrhino> gn
18:18:32 <recanman[m]> How long is the sign/verify function in the monero gui wallet supposed to take?
18:18:42 <recanman[m]> Should be very short, no?
18:20:39 <recanman[m]> On the 0.18.2.2-release (Qt 5.12.8) version of the monero-gui-wallet (Intel MacOS), signing a message is instant. When I go to verify, the application becomes unresponsive.
18:36:36 <naphtha[m]> maybe open it in a debugger?
18:36:38 <naphtha[m]> might be a bug
18:38:31 <recanman[m]> I'm new to macos, how do I do that?
18:38:46 <recanman[m]> I'm using monero-wallet-gui and monero-wallet-rpc for development
18:44:26 <naphtha[m]> i have no idea how you properly debug an executable as i don't do low level programming
18:45:30 <anarkiocrypto[m]> You could try Feather Wallet: https://featherwallet.org/
18:45:38 <recanman[m]> I would be able to on Linux, but I'm not intentionally using macos, it was all I could get 😥
18:45:49 <recanman[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: I want to make sure that it is a bug before I report it
18:46:04 <recanman[m]> It's a new wallet, I have no funds stored on here
18:47:43 <naphtha[m]> but look up gdb tutorials
18:47:43 <recanman[m]> I understand how to use gdb
18:47:44 <naphtha[m]> that might be a good starting point
18:47:59 <recanman[m]> I don't think it works on macos, zsh: command not found: gdb
18:49:17 <recanman[m]> When I run apt I get something related to Java and I have no idea how, I don't have Java installed
18:49:53 <naphtha[m]> macos doesnt have a package manager
18:49:55 <naphtha[m]> built in
18:49:59 <naphtha[m]> you have to install brew
18:50:01 <naphtha[m]> brew.sh
18:50:31 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Maybe you could try a Linux virtual machine: https://mac.getutm.app/ 
18:50:46 <recanman[m]> Why?
18:50:49 <naphtha[m]> or docker
18:50:59 <naphtha[m]> but if its a bug it should be reported
18:51:00 <recanman[m]> I'm trying to find the reason it is crashing, I don't really care if it works or not
18:51:15 <recanman[m]> This is why I asked here ☝️
18:51:27 <recanman[m]> Wow, brew worked
18:51:33 <recanman[m]> I tried brew install gdb
18:51:35 <recanman[m]> I have gdb now
18:53:11 <recanman[m]> ~ % gdb -ex run /Applications/monero-wallet-gui.app
18:53:23 <recanman[m]> No executable file specified.
20:35:51 <Guest91> Hi everyone
20:36:19 <recanman[m]> Hellop
20:36:20 <recanman[m]>  * Hello
20:36:20 <Guest91> Can we talk here about P2pool mini chain ?
20:40:12 <Guest91> Is it normal that this will be the third day in a raw with red block-found timer? I’ m just two months here and I haven’t something like that yet .
20:45:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is that an orphaned block?
20:53:25 <bridgerton[m]> <orthowipez> Make shop 😅
21:29:28 <orion_midast[m]> Hey, I was wondering, does the monero team have a marketing budget? Funded by the big holders or something? Or is it not a thing?
21:29:40 <orion_midast[m]> s/team/community/
21:42:26 <nioc> not a thing
21:43:18 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> By fluffy?
21:43:36 <chesterfield[m]> Fluffy is ceo and there’s the board of directors
21:44:02 <chesterfield[m]> I think the marketing manager got switched over to accounting and there’s a position open at the moment
21:44:12 <nioc> e = entertainment 
21:44:30 <chesterfield[m]> Reach out to plowsof in HR if you want to apply
21:44:48 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Plowsof is cfo
21:44:59 <chesterfield[m]> Competitive salary
21:45:23 <chesterfield[m]> Luigi is cfo.  Plowsof is assistant to the cfo manager
21:46:36 <monerobull[m]> ill be first level support and IT janny
21:46:53 <chesterfield[m]> Luigi1111 isn’t good with people, plowsof is the hr guy.  When funds are moved around the company, plosof makes the request to luigi, luigi allocates funds to plowof, plowof pays the engineers
21:47:37 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (49KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/eIwZkfhhnWcgKTlxrFEQRbiS/grafik.png >
21:47:57 <chesterfield[m]> Monerobull is the social media intern.  He’s being the Monero corp into 2023.  We have a q4 Monero town move in completion date
21:50:25 <monerobull[m]> your intern has power over literally anything outside of getmonero.org and the twitter account 
21:51:02 <monerobull[m]> so just like at my current workplace 💀
21:56:33 <chesterfield[m]> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-pyloose-linux-malware-mines-crypto-directly-from-memory/
22:19:58 <naphtha[m]> <monerobull[m]> "grafik.png" <- imagine this
22:20:25 <naphtha[m]> a self hosted wallet where you call, enter your password using touch tones, and it reads your balance out
22:21:30 <monerobull[m]> But you can just put a view key on your phone wallet 😭
22:40:34 <naphtha[m]> what if you have a dumbphone
22:40:57 <naphtha[m]> what if you dont have mobile data
22:41:37 <naphtha[m]> obviously its a completely retarded idea as phone calls are trivial to wiretap
22:57:13 <bigslim[m]> Sup
23:03:09 <JustKidding[m]> henlo
23:09:33 <xmrlover[m]> <JustKidding[m]> "henlo" <- Hello buddy