03:07:17 <recanman[m]> Will we outsource Monero tech support or have dedicated Monero Professionals?
04:22:04 <tiberiusmaximus[> Which monero wallet has the best speed/security ratio?
04:28:35 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Monero
04:31:35 <xmrlover[m]> Any hardware wallet for monero? I heard about ledger wallet and I'm ditching it. I do know that some people are saying not to update, but at this point I ain't taking another chance. I do however use cake wallet, monerujo, and the GUI. 
04:35:08 <defisovereign[m]> xmrlover[m]: I use both Ledger and Trezor with Monero GUI wallet, they both work. 
04:35:50 <xmrlover[m]> defisovereign[m]: Thanks I'm gonna use Trezor instead 
10:50:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> <recanman[m]> "Will we outsource Monero tech..." <- Monero Support 
10:50:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero Support 
12:42:25 <agentsmith09[m]> hello guys i'm trying to use monero rpc with python... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ceca22dc5b10b1e3ba0eb92fa4a640717716106b>)
12:43:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tx extra unsupported = ignore
12:44:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> everything looks fine
12:44:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whats not working?
12:45:03 <naphtha[m]> it is running right
12:45:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure what you mean by "with python"? That look like the core software to me
12:47:30 <agentsmith09[m]> those a terminal commands, i was not shure if monerod rpc is running right
12:47:30 <agentsmith09[m]> now i will write a python code to interact with rpc
12:48:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Have you lookd at monero-python ?
12:50:45 <agentsmith09[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: i'm using this as reference
12:50:45 <agentsmith09[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html
12:51:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-python
13:25:09 <agentsmith09[m]> ok i'm using monero-python library... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/09603b72a6b4168c5c991f7e60973972d05bd636>)
13:33:35 <agentsmith09[m]> i run this simple cose... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/f795cd7223e709d7b8580e7fcd10a2a7f311d6b6>)
13:36:45 <agentsmith09[m]> also when a run from terminal python  from monero.wallet import Wallet i get the same response
13:41:24 <agentsmith09[m]> maybe i fund out....it's the virtual env
13:55:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Use a paste website please 
13:55:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> And Monero Community Dev  
13:56:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or use markdown so the txt isnt just a cluttered mess
13:56:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/or/and
14:01:35 <agentsmith09[m]> sorry
14:01:35 <agentsmith09[m]> better use comunity dev? OK
14:01:35 <agentsmith09[m]> https://justpaste.it/a5x2c
14:01:36 <agentsmith09[m]> anyway now when i run code from terminal it's ok; when i run from pycharm, get names was changed...
14:15:43 <agentsmith09[m]> i've uninstalled monero and monero-python from both pycharm venve and system and reinstalled and it seem it go
14:46:44 <bridgerton[m]> <bobbedbort> Quick question. How does Monero's difficulty work? Because going on xmrchain.net, the block hashes are going to be completely random, seemingly not compared to a difficulty. I searched in randomX's documentation for this, but found nothing.
14:49:48 <bridgerton[m]> <bobbedbort> ah never mind, I found this comment in monero/src/cryptonote_basic/difficulty.h
14:49:48 <bridgerton[m]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1129062119334215750/image.png
14:50:11 <bridgerton[m]> <bobbedbort> A weird way of going about it, is there any reason as to why this method was chosen?
14:57:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. Leave discord and join matrix or irc
14:57:27 <sech1> block hashes are random, block PoW hashes have a lot 0's in the end
14:57:34 <sech1> you can see it there
14:57:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> :D i forgot sech as here 
14:58:09 <sech1> This method was chosen because it's mathematically correct, lol
15:05:48 <bridgerton[m]> <bobbedbort> No I was just wondering because with Bitcoin the block hashes are something like... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/9854e6a86126f6539e191e3671384ddce88a06b5>)
15:06:57 <sech1> Monero has block hash and PoW hash, they are different things
15:09:06 <sech1> "With Bitcoin afaik you just do a simple hash < difficulty" No, it's hash < target
15:09:14 <sech1> and target depends on difficulty, same as in Monero
15:09:26 <sech1> In Monero, target = 2^256 / difficulty
15:09:39 <sech1> same in Bitcoin: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty#What_is_the_formula_for_difficulty.3F
15:10:18 <bridgerton[m]> <bobbedbort> aah alright I got it, thanks it was just me being dumb
16:06:01 <louissignet[m]> This is my favorite theory about why XMR will win. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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16:34:06 <scragglez[m]> louis.saberhagen: I agree it should help monero's case alot
16:34:39 <scragglez[m]> esp in actual currency use case
16:35:44 <louissignet[m]> It's an obscure critique of Bitcoin, yet my favorite one.
16:39:13 <hyc> yes, many people have already written on the fact that tail emission will reach equilibrium
16:39:58 <hyc> IMO there's no reason to expect that the number of coins lost will behave as a fluid
16:40:05 <hyc> but whatever...
16:44:16 <ceetee[m]> Being a good currency is not about winning, its about persisting. Having a stable supply certainly helps, but its just one of the many things monero does right?
16:44:22 <ceetee[m]> s/?/./
16:57:49 <louissignet[m]> <hyc> "yes, many people have already..." <- Yeah, first saw it referenced on Monerotopia Peter Todd talk. However the obscure part is the Bitcoin critique that the "circulating supply is going to zero due to a never non-zero rate of lost coins" 
16:58:47 <louissignet[m]> Short term people never see a problem with this due to obvious appreciation of the currency, but they don't take into consideration that a future, effective price discovery in the market needs a healthy liquid circulating supply
16:59:34 <louissignet[m]> s/a future, effective//
17:03:03 <hyc> nobody can use an endlessly deflating currency anyway
17:03:09 <merope> <louissignet[m]> "This is my favorite theory about..." <- You're just mashing together similar words from completely different contexts...
17:04:04 <louissignet[m]> merope: Aren't we all
17:04:17 <merope> I hope not
17:04:20 <hyc> bitcoin is a collectible, not a currency
17:04:34 <hyc> it'll be like Tiffany lamps
17:06:01 <hyc> cabbage patch dolls, pet rocks
17:06:32 <hyc> either it will only ever have interest to a niche, or it will have a popularity boom and bust
17:06:47 <hyc> because there's nothing you can actually do with it
17:07:20 <hyc> good *investments*, like stock shares, don't depend on decreasing supply to increase their value
17:10:12 <hyc> increased adoption requires ample supply. not diminishing supply...
20:36:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> <hyc> "cabbage patch dolls, pet rocks" <- Its not a rock, its a diamond. 💎🙌 #neversell #neveruse 
20:36:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> #diamondhands
20:39:45 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> The badges?
22:58:41 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero Issue 178: June 29 - July 13, 2023. https://revuo-xmr.com/issue-178.html