00:16:49 <charuto> <wizeguyy[m]> "I'm curious who would want to..." <- if you only sync when you are sending or receiving a transaction, i'm pretty sure that information can be used to help deanonymize you.
00:17:47 <charuto> so tor adds an extra layer of security for those cases
00:19:32 <wizeguyy[m]> charuto: Ah, I didn't think about that!
01:05:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> <wizeguyy[m]> "I'm curious who would want to..." <- Anyone who prefers privacy
01:41:25 <sunchakr[m]> https://twitter.com/monerotopia/status/1682505686616358915?s=46
01:41:42 <sunchakr[m]> Join us live tomorrow morning!
03:35:16 <geometricsec[m]> Unfortunately I have a corrupted blockchain. I'm on linux, does anyone have advice on how to run the --db-salvage flag? I understand I need to run it from the same folder as monerod, but I can only find monerod in /bin/ and when I run it I get an error.
03:35:20 <geometricsec[m]> Any help? Thanks.
03:37:36 <geometricsec[m]> I get "W failed to set max_block_size:MDB_not_found": No matching key/data pair found"
03:37:57 <geometricsec[m]> So I guess it is saying it can't locate the monero blockchain that was locally downloaded to my system?
04:11:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> How do you normally run monerod?
04:12:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> However you do that, do that and add thr --db-salvage flag
04:13:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> im assuming you use the command `monerod`.
04:13:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> if soc, its `monerod --db-salvage` 
04:13:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> also assuming you installed from repo (outdated) 
04:14:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> <geometricsec[m]> "I get "W failed to set max_block..." <- if you ge the same error afterwards, youll need to resync from scratch be deleting the `.bitmonero` folder in your home directory before starting monerod
04:50:59 <geometricsec[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "How do you normally run monerod?" <- I run the GUI & it autostarts I presume.
04:51:16 <geometricsec[m]> monerod --db-salvage yes
04:51:28 <geometricsec[m]> I had it pre-installed with my OS.
04:51:40 <geometricsec[m]> (Whonix)
04:51:55 <geometricsec[m]> It was working for a lot, I guess I suspended the system and it corrupted the effort.
04:52:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you have to resync, its recommmended that you switch tk the official binaries from getmonero.org, or the flatpak
04:53:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> The deb isnt maintained anymkre
04:53:18 <geometricsec[m]> I might just run on a remote node for now and delete / retry to download the chain later on.
04:53:36 <geometricsec[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Thanks for the information.
04:55:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Np
04:56:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "kicksecure = whonix = CCS for..." <- ^
04:58:24 <geometricsec[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Great information. Thank you very much.
05:11:12 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Didnt plowsof post something to them
05:12:01 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> I know there destructions use Flatpak
05:23:50 <Nacho[m]> is there a good non technical video that explains why monero is our best option to be used as a currency
05:44:30 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I don't know about videos, but I have a simple webpage here: https://anarkio.codeberg.page/monero/
08:27:25 <M-coffeeplease-[> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "I don't know about videos, but I..." <- Nice!
08:38:27 <susman1[m]> what is moneros effect on the environment
08:39:55 <plowsof11> susman1 do you actually care or is this a troll? (you always allude to the environmental effects (if any) of Monero) 
08:40:17 <susman1[m]> plowsof11: what? you don't care about the coming crisis
08:41:35 <M-coffeeplease-[> susman1[m]: A whole lot less than actual banks!
08:44:20 <plowsof11> Monero uses general purpose computer parts to mine (CPU and ram) - and also bandwidth - and general wear and tear on components such as hard drives. if the cpus/ram are not profitable to mine Monero anymore the hardware is still useful, it does not get thrown into a landfill - a Monero mining rig today can still be used as a personal computer for the next 7-10 years i want you to envision thousands of BTC asics being crushed by a tarmac
08:44:20 <plowsof11> roller because they're illegal or now useless
08:45:57 <plowsof11> look into my eyes , not around the eyes susman1 - you're under. when you wake up i want you to forget about the small environmental impact of Monero - most of which would be happening anyway if Monero didnt exist - and rather focus on the bigger picture - even 'crypto' as a whole (asics included) is not the most environmentally damaging industry (citation required) 
08:53:40 <susman1[m]> r/communism has different opinions :/
08:55:25 <plowsof11> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AfW1OrZhJxc ASIC paper weights being crushed in public after a ban somewhere iirc 
09:02:31 <M-coffeeplease-[> <susman1[m]> "what? you don't care about the..." <- Yeay, the privacy crisis really is a bitch. If we not find solutions to that we will all be in a totalitarian world very soon. And that’s a very dark world. 
09:02:31 <M-coffeeplease-[> Luckily we have Monero that solves a big part of this puzzle.
09:02:36 <plowsof11> can't find anything on r/communism after a quick glance susman1 related to Monero 
09:02:59 <merope> <susman1[m]> "what is moneros effect on the..." <- For one thing, miners have a great incentive to pick the cheapest energy sources available, because cheaper energy => greater profitability. And nowadays there's a big push for renewables in general, because the technology is now mature enough and cheap enough that the cost of renewable energy is much lower than that from other sources. In other words, there's a direct incentive for miners to use clean energy
09:03:00 <merope> sources (especially the bigger ones who can afford to build a solar/wind farm for their mining farm)
09:03:03 <M-coffeeplease-[> s/Yeay/Yeah/, s///
09:04:45 <plowsof11> a caveat for solar panels is their lifespan. recycle plants are being built https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602519
09:05:54 <merope> For another, like plowsof already mentioned, Monero's pow algo is designed to be mined by cpus, which are general purpose hardware, so they can always be reused for anything else even many years down the line. ASICs, on the other hand, become dead paperweights once they stop being productive (ie once a new generation of ASICs with higher efficiency comes out)
09:07:05 <anarkiocrypto[m]> https://agorism.blog/anarkio/watts-for-financial-freedom The necessity of financial inclusion and economic freedom is worth the electricity usage. Banks ban innocent people from opening an account and cash can only be used locally (also the state wants to phase out cash).
09:07:12 <merope> (I specifically mention efficiency because that's the fundamental parameter that dictates the hardware choice for pow mining - i.e. the hardware with the greatest efficiency for a given pow algo is the most profitable, and therefore the best)
09:11:45 <anarkiocrypto[m]> > If we not find solutions to that we will all be in a totalitarian world very soon.
09:11:45 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Maybe this could help: https://agorism.blog/anarkio/survival-outside-the-state
10:20:11 <ceetee[m]> <susman1[m]> "what is moneros effect on the..." <- Comparisons to traditional finance are often very short sighted. They compare electricity usage per transaction, but they should compare environmental damage of the entire system.
10:20:11 <ceetee[m]> Our monetary systems are debt based, and in order to pay back that debt you need perpetual growth, which is not possible in a finite world. The targeted 2% inflation rate incentives people to participate in the stock economy, which in turn forces companies to grow at all costs, including damage to the environment. It also fuels consumerism, low quality products with short lifetime, anti repair, DRM and much more corporate BS that is a net loss
10:20:11 <ceetee[m]> on humanity as a whole.
10:20:11 <ceetee[m]> Compared to this, the impact of all POW crypto summed together is just a rounding error
10:22:05 <ceetee[m]> <merope> "(I specifically mention efficien..." <- Adding to this: Underutilized hardware is "free" and plenty of people produce more solar then they need and have CPUs that are idleing anyway.
12:17:13 <louissignet[m]> <susman1[m]> "what is moneros effect on the..." <- The greenest of them all. Repurposing old cpus for mining instead of filling landfills s a net win for the environment. 
12:17:13 <louissignet[m]> You get all the load flexibility benefits without all the electronic waste downsides. 
12:48:49 <soaay4[m]> Bought my first Monero! Woho! sold some Nano for it. 
12:49:37 <soaay4[m]> Very interesting technology and commitment to private transaction. 
12:57:47 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Esg compliant 
14:09:01 <BoBeR182> is there a monero village at defcon?
14:10:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
14:10:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Might be a table
14:16:13 <louissignet[m]> with $20k free merch
14:17:45 <plowsof11> Monero village -> Cryptocurrency village -> why do you still keep trying to come here -> raise ticket prices -> a yearly ccs proposal for a table  https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/397
14:43:15 <ceetee[m]> why has defcon become so normie?
14:43:40 <ceetee[m]> I read they want to be "family friendly", isn't that literally the opposite if what the name stands for?
14:44:31 <ceetee[m]> If I were running le epic hacker conference I'd want to have the monero guys there, and not push them away by all means possible
16:08:37 <datahoarder[m]> P2Pool rooms related: I have plumbed respective rooms into https://matrix.to/#/#p2pool-log:monero.social / https://matrix.to/#/#p2pool-main:monero.social (mini unable to plumb due to lack of ops in IRC counterpart, but room exists here https://matrix.to/#/#p2pool-mini:monero.social)
16:09:34 <datahoarder[m]> Once Libera.Chat disables bridged rooms by default these will keep working (and new joiners via old links will then be told the room is archived, and that they have to join these new ones
16:11:49 <datahoarder[m]> If you are joining from matrix and are in Libera.Chat #p2pool-log etc. I would recommend to move onto these (as they are plumbed and working already) before the cutoff date of portalled room https://libera.chat/news/matrix-deportalling