03:34:05 <m-relay> <j​k:vin.ovh> henlo
10:04:45 <m-relay> <z​arter:matrix.org> Hi
10:32:17 <m-relay> <l​ouis.signet:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/NRMzHlLxwyGuEpTfhZHxxmMl
10:32:24 <m-relay> <l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Somebody salty about XMR-BTC swaps
10:33:04 <m-relay> <l​ouis.signet:monero.social> I member when fiatjaf asked for funding to specifically attack the Monero network
10:33:05 <m-relay> <l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Seeing bitcoiners support Samourai is probably hurting his soul
13:16:19 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Has there been a recent drama between fiatjaf and based samourai?
13:27:57 <m-relay> <b​obbedbort> did fiatjaf get that founding? I thought we welcomed a stress-test, the problem must've been on their side.
13:29:46 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Yeah.. Free pentest is good.
13:38:55 <m-relay> <b​obbedbort> sadly he didn't follow up, he was probably denied and kept silent about it
13:54:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> He was paid for something else
13:58:51 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Anybody else finding CalyxOS 's "Work Profile" useful in isolating their mobile Monero wallets from all their other apps?
13:59:22 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> One can enable/disable work profile on tge same app drawer of their CalyxOS
14:27:10 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> its a feature in all androids
14:27:10 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> Work profile is a standard android feature, accessible with apps like shelter
14:28:21 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> very useful though
14:28:21 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> I think its best to isolate information grabbing apps you need to have for some reason
14:30:55 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> thoughi consider user profile more isolated , than a work profile.
14:30:55 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> though i consider user profile more isolated , than a work profile.
14:30:55 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Cool. However, one can have calyxos without the google spyware (to some extent)
14:30:56 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> That's right. But you have to change users. Work profile works without leaving your current user, and still isolates the apps from each other
14:31:50 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> i suspect , some apps can still communicate across work profile
14:32:23 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> so i don't consider it a fool-proof solution
14:33:00 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> anyways this group is not for discussing this topic
14:33:10 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> What makes you suspect that?
14:35:22 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> there are individual app services , which can hook onto other apps on the phone.
14:36:01 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> there is also a setting which allows work apps to look for non-work apps directory.
14:36:02 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Can you give an example
14:38:00 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> like if you use a password manager app it can intercept what app you are using on screen currently ,and provide relevant data to you.
14:39:45 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> of course the password manager would be one that you trust , so it won't harm your privacy. 
14:39:45 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> but you can just guess from it how much android apis are complicated for us to conclude everything is isolated.
14:40:42 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> other examples are facebook services , which can detect any other app using the same code , and can share the unique advertising id across apps.
14:44:57 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> work profile behaves exactly like user profiles, with the exception that the profile is loaded in parallel to your primary one
14:46:05 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Yes.and it adds to its usability
14:46:55 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> I like the fact that I can start/stop the Profile in parallel to my primary user
18:15:04 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> hello
18:15:16 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> what could go wrong if you publicly listend monero daemon for your wallet rpc ?
18:15:31 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> what could go wrong if you use publicly listend monero daemon for your wallet rpc ?
18:15:34 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> what could go wrong if you use publicly listed monero daemon for your wallet rpc ?
18:15:55 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> can daemon owners see wallet addresses ?
18:19:04 <m-relay> <o​ldmancoffee:matrix.org> yeah, they'd be able to see every request you send their way
18:21:50 <moneromooo> They cannot see your wallet address (if you use monero normally).
18:22:42 <moneromooo> They can certainly fuck with you though. Public daemons are likely mostly spies. Some are good guys, but I suspect spies are the vast majority.
18:23:25 <moneromooo> Monero splits its code beteewn daemon (which handles the chain/consensus) and wallet (which manages keys). The wallet generally assumes hte daemon did itsjob
18:24:18 <moneromooo> Various leaks were fixed (maybe misguidedly) but it's unlikely everything will ever be, because it's not designed that way.
18:24:59 <moneromooo> It's like your money. You may put it in a bank, but if you do, the bank can steal it.
18:25:05 <moneromooo> Especially if it's paypal.
18:25:15 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> Monero background sync is now on by default in Cake Wallet and Monero.com! We also added Cake 2FA access control features, Ethereum + ERC-20 storage, Monero node proxy settings, and more! https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/15ksld0/updates_monero_background_sync_ethereum_now_in/
18:25:22 <moneromooo> It might end up ok though. Until it's not.
18:26:16 <moneromooo> Note to all who read that: monero.com is NOT monero. It's a private company that's squatting the name for their wallet. It's been a honest wallet so far, but it's still not what it tries to pass itself as.
18:29:12 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> thank you, oneromooo
18:29:18 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> thank you, moneromooo
18:30:57 <moneromooo> I take back "It's like your money. You may put it in a bank, but if you do, the bank can steal it.", because a hostile dameon can't steal your monero, so that's not quite the best comparison.
18:31:25 <moneromooo> The bank can see what you're doing, at least. A hostile daemon can't see as much as a bank would, but can still see things.
18:31:46 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> I've got that, but they can get my wallet addresses and then do some cross-checks right ?
18:31:56 <moneromooo> They cannot.
18:32:24 <moneromooo> Unless you do something stupid, like asking them to mine to your address :D
18:32:34 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> I'm using tx-notify on wallet rpc. How does that work ?
18:32:59 <moneromooo> At what level of abstraction ?
18:33:45 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> I mean, If I use a publicly listed monero daemon rpc, and also use tx-notify in my wallet rpc
18:33:55 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> Does that mean my wallet addresses can compromise ?
18:34:19 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> Does that mean my wallet addresses can be compromised ?
18:34:36 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> like they can see my wallet addresses, right ?
18:34:40 <moneromooo> Your wallet address will not be. However, given a fork+execve is slow, a daemon might be able to see a pause a dedice you received at least one output in a tx from a block you recently requested.
18:35:01 <moneromooo> s/a dedice/and deduce/
18:36:39 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> but daemon and wallet rpc are on different computers, how could it detect the timing for fork+execve ?
18:37:18 <moneromooo> Well, statistics... luck... guesses...
18:37:50 <moneromooo> If you sync lots of blocks, the daemon can get an idea of your tx processing time.
18:38:17 <moneromooo> I have no idea how feasible it is in practice.
18:38:35 <moneromooo> But generally, it tends to be "more than you'd expect".
18:38:55 <m-relay> <s​eikoqq1:matrix.org> I see, so my wallet rpc does not send wallet addresses to the daemon whether to fire tx-notify or not, right ?
18:39:02 <moneromooo> Right.
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