01:06:23 <m-relay> <p​hrog.e> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/1141176084327571548/IMG_4613.jpg
01:53:56 <m-relay> <n​uck:trad.chat> Good evening
01:56:52 <m-relay> <n​uck:trad.chat> Real practical question for you all: I have a tiny stack of monero, and I want to actually use it.  
01:56:52 <m-relay> <n​uck:trad.chat> If I were to buy a, say, nice mechanical keyboard on Amazon, what is the best offramp path from wallet to cash for this?
01:57:33 <m-relay> <n​uck:trad.chat> Coinbee gift cards tack on ~10% fee
02:13:36 <klaxa> i bought stuff off shopinbit, you even get a discount if you pay in crypto
02:15:01 <klaxa> selection is limited of course not as wide as amazon
02:26:48 <gingeropolous> stagenets being spammed again
04:49:47 <moneromooo> For backward compat, the "primary" standard address is used instead of the 0,0 subaddress. So from a user's pov, "a wallet's primary" is not "different from its 0th subaddress".
05:09:43 <jeff_> I'm completely new to this concept of mining, but I'm using it as a project to learn Linux server and workstation principles
05:10:40 <jeff_> Building an older server to mine monero with
05:11:02 <jeff_> According to some website it should have a hashrate of 14000
06:01:21 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> ideally you look for a store that accepts monero natively. Other crypto is okey too, you can easily pay trough tocador.app.
06:01:22 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> Amazon doesn't support either, so gift cards may be your best option. Cakepay.com is online again, but there's no public list of supported stores. Maybe vik (Cake):  can give you a yes/no before singing up.
06:01:22 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> You could also try to find a p2p trade for an amazon gift card, or trade for cash and buy a physical gift card with that.
06:01:23 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> I also heard there's some dude who ships amazon articles any locker and send you the pin. Not sure about the fees though.
06:26:23 <rbrunner> Started to mine on stagenet with about 2 kH/s to bring the backlog down. Currently finding more than half of all blocks.
06:35:53 <geonic> https://avc.com/2023/05/the-freedom-to-innovate/
07:12:18 <apotheon> cool story
07:52:29 <rbrunner> Stagenet pool is cleared. I guess now we wait for the next big wave of transactions ...
08:08:13 <moneromooo> With so few (I assume) people running stagenet, running with a quite small max pool weight will drop most txes on the floor. It will at least force a spammer to spam less hard for a longer period of time.
08:08:20 <moneromooo> (or mine themselves)
08:13:30 <moneromooo> Though I suppose it opens up a way to kick others' txes off the txpool by using a larger than normal fee.
08:17:12 <rbrunner> Well, there were about 6'000 transactions in the pool, not a "real" problem yet. Always having the right number of miners on stagenet is probably the bigger issue.
08:18:15 <rbrunner> Mining stagenet is so ... unprofitable :)
08:20:57 <rbrunner> I am currently connected to almost 50 other nodes, it's not that bad.
09:15:49 <m-relay> <t​iberius.maximus:matrix.org> Do any of the centralized exchanges still offer xmr?
09:18:04 <m-relay> <t​iberius.maximus:matrix.org> Without kyc?
09:25:16 <moneromooo> Try the list on kycnot.me.
09:38:33 <m-relay> <t​iberius.maximus:matrix.org> Thanks but these are mostly p2p exchanges, correct?  Please correct me if I'm wrong
09:41:22 <m-relay> <t​iberius.maximus:matrix.org> For small amounts I believe the centralized exchanges have don't require kyc and allow you to buy closer to the market price rather than the p2p exchanges
09:49:14 <moneromooo> Not sure. I've not gone through the list.
09:56:49 <m-relay> <t​iberius.maximus:matrix.org> Ok thx.  Anyone else know?
10:08:10 <rbrunner> I would guess that nowadays people that *really* value their privacy do away with DEXs. Thus it may well be that pretty few people can answer with authority here.
10:09:06 <rbrunner> There also have been repeated cases where "no-KYC" exchanges sort-of changed their mind for some transactions. You can hear those people shouting bloody murder then on Reddit :)
10:09:53 <rbrunner> I would either bite into the sour apple, make KYC and enjoy a top-notch world class exchange like Kraken
10:10:07 <rbrunner> or then bite into another sour apple and go pure p2p only
10:13:44 <m-relay> <t​iberius.maximus:matrix.org> Looks like still possible on phemex
13:20:53 <m-relay> <s​uitslie:hackliberty.org> where was that website with monero events?
13:27:23 <plowsof> Kycnot.me celebrated its 3rd anniversary 
13:29:25 <plowsof> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/15mja0k/kycnotme_3rd_anniversary_update/
13:31:30 <m-relay> <s​uitslie:hackliberty.org> is m-relay relaying from irc?
13:32:42 <m-relay> <s​uitslie:hackliberty.org> oh yeah it is, couldn't see avatar well
13:34:51 <m-relay> <s​uitslie:hackliberty.org> in 2 months we're hitting 3000000
15:51:10 <great_taste> I got scammed 300USD
15:51:24 <great_taste> bought an ebay gift card on coinsbee and now it doesn't work
15:58:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Would localmonero prevent the customer from being scammed in the above situation Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk
17:22:15 <nioc> PSA to whoever is using simpleX and not getting a response from someone after resetting or uninstalling and then reinstalling the app;  try sending an invite link so that they can respond
17:34:34 <uncle_rae> or use threema...
17:54:05 <nioc> I am trying to help someone by relaying a specific message 
18:47:57 <m-relay> <A​bo Gemaal el-Folani 👑> only scholars use threema💀
19:12:48 <apotheon> Isn't Threema the closed source thing?
19:14:20 <apotheon> . . . and centralized?
19:14:37 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It's open sores
19:14:56 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Probably just the client
19:15:06 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Let me check
19:15:25 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, servers are in switzerland or whatever
19:15:25 <apotheon> definitely just the client
19:15:35 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, servers are in Switzerland or whatever
19:15:37 <apotheon> just found out on the Wikipedia article
19:15:45 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yep, only the client
19:15:55 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Like telegram
19:16:11 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Just a honeypot
19:16:27 <apotheon> so similar metadata issues to Signal, with worse source openness, better in terms of not requiring a telephone number, but more directly tracked by the provider because of paid service
19:17:19 <apotheon> I tried SimpleX on a slightly older phone, and it doesn't even fucking work.
19:17:39 <apotheon> can't accept an invitation
19:20:40 <apotheon> What is m-relay?
19:21:07 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> IRC<->matrix relay I think
19:21:26 <apotheon> Oh, is that the new way to do a Matrix relay?  It's . . . clunky.
19:21:44 <apotheon> good to know
19:23:02 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I agree
19:23:42 <apotheon> damn it, Libera Chat
19:25:08 <apotheon> This whole thing has been kind of a clusterfuck.  "We're shutting down the bridge at X.  No, we're extending it.  Oops, it broke at X anyway.  Follow these directions to get the other way to bridge between channels.  Oops, those instructions don't work.  Now people have established bridges, but it's clunky."
19:25:20 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Threema had to patch a few severe vulnerabilities recently.
19:25:31 <apotheon> at least they fixed 'me
19:25:37 <apotheon> s/'me/'em/
19:37:04 <m-relay> <b​igslim:matrix.org> Monero new
19:39:29 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Threema only recently fixed there encryption and got audited
19:39:52 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> PFS was implemented on the second of august it seems
19:39:57 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Or after their new cryptography was audited
19:41:36 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> They did a re-write of it from what i remember
19:41:55 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I dont use it btw
20:23:50 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:nokyc.im> Threema's call quality is the best by far in all e2ee applications, for what it is worth. Re: payment tracking, can pay BTC or a coin swapping service XMR<->BTC and a throwaway e-mail.
20:24:05 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:nokyc.im> cc. uncle_rae